Compared to over 4,000 last year in the same week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/06/nyregion/decrease-in-new-york-police-arrests-continues-for-a-second-week.html

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if they slow down issuing summonses and the city doesn't fall into lawlessness - maybe they shouldn't go back to writing all of those summonses.

i bet its not the lawlessness they're banking on, its the hundreds of millions of dollars the city won't be getting in revenue that's gonna hurt em.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

at least it strengthens the positions of those who complain about too much policing or improper policing by NYPD.

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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

if a month or two goes by and the city is losing millions it will demonstrate the need for their heavy handed policing if not socially than financially.

Parking Summonses

Week of Christmas 2013
14,699
Week of Christma 2014
1,241

Week of NYE 2013
16,008
Week of NYE 2014
1,191

But,
I got one of those 1,191 parking tickets last week.

>But,
>I got one of those 1,191 parking tickets last week.
>
>

that's such terrible luck you are bound for a big break

just yesterday i parked 12 feet from a hydrant.

Once people realize enforcement is lax, they will start wildin out.

Then the police union will step out and say "AHA!!!"

which would come anyway because NEW YORK CITY

and theyre going to say that we need them and their assholia

so far only thing dominating ny news is the rich kid who killed his pops after they cut his allowance and threatened to stop paying his rent.

or is the logic

that allowing the police to basically behave like violent criminals

reduce crime

fight crime with crime?

we want to feel safe

youre not wrong in believing that they don't
but if we all thought that way, we'd probably not be in this situation

even among those of us who are calling for an end to police brutality.

most of us understand the need for police and do expect police to prevent crime.

I'm thinking more emperically

if their summons, activity, whatever...comes to a screeching halt

and we are to believe those actions resulted in the prevention of crime

how long before armageddon?

it was a sincere question

I can't think of single personal experience where a cop actually prevented a crime

and from these articles, it sounds like they are still repsonding to calls

= they stopped F'N with us!

Yes police prevent crime simply by their existence. If there is no one to enforce the laws, then a segment of the population will choose not to follow them when it is in their interests.

And yes there is empirical evidence. You can see in some cities where police budgets were slashed, there is a dramatic increase in certain crimes

or their prescence isn't there (as far as what I've heard). they've just stopped writing tickets for jaywalking and parking violations and feet on seats.

emperically speaking

isn't that evidence that the economy/employment is more of a factor in crimial behavior

than law enforcement?

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUsingElectoralCycles1997.pdf

This paper is pretty much the gold standard in the field because it makes a very clear identification of the effect of police. Here is a quick summary of it.

Abstract: Previous empirical studies have uncovered little evidence that police reduce crime, possibly due to simultaneity problems. This paper uses the timing of mayoral and gubernatorial elections as an instrumental variable to identify a causal effect of police on crime. Increases in the size of police forces are shown to be disproportionately concentrated in mayoral and gubernatorial election years. Increases in police are shown to substantially reduce violent crime, but have a smaller impact on property crime. The null hypothesis that the marginal social benefit of reduced crime equals the costs of hiring additional police cannot be rejected.


And another quick summary of the literature in this area.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2012/12/police-crime-and-the-usefulness-of-economics.html

Wow, that's some BS

to say there is less crime on the UPenn campus

consider the demographics they are comparing and crediting it to police

one of the most expensive private institutions in the country (and probably the world)

has a lower crime rate than west philadelphia

doesn't that also work for my argument

the economic status/employment of ivy league students

are the indicators for crime stats?

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/crimwage.htm

not real sure what to say about your first link

I'm confused why they would chose firefighters

most of the firefighters I know volunteer

MacDonald, Klick, Grunwald:

I never read the paper, but here is my take after quickly skimming it.
They rely on geographic boundaries to identify the effect of police. There is a patrol boundary where UPenn police operate. The idea is that the demographics and characteristics of blocks just inside and just outside this boundary are identical (both are largely students and faculty I think).

The block within the boundary has more police presence (UPenn and Philly PD) while the block outside has less (just Philly PD). I think it said there are double the police inside this boundary line.
The results show are large reduction in crime in the region that has the larger police numbers.



First link (Levitt):

Not sure what you talking about RE: Firefighters. But this one kind of tries to do the same thing as the UPenn paper.
This one is saying that leading up to elections, the size of police force tends to rise (presumably to make the incumbent look better). The idea is that there is nothing special regarding crime in these election years (i.e. election year and previous year are essentially the same).
They also take in account increased social spending and economic conditions in the election years to make sure that that is not driving their findings

Again, they find a reduction in violent crime associated with these increases in the size of the police force

the Philly PD and UPenn campus police are not the same police

if UPenn cops were held to the same standards as Philly cops, i.e. fill quotas, etc...

I'm sure that would also effect the 'crime' rate

As far as the demographics inside and outside the boundary being the same

no

saying that as a Drexel Alumni

it's not

and I'm sure that UPenn cops are within their boundary for surrounding student housing

Got it on the first link, thanks

reading it, I was thrown that for comparison they used police hires and firefighters to standardize other societal factors

but they go to great lengths to show that there is no difference on either side of this boundary and that the location of the boundary line is completely arbitrary.
Their study pretty much relies on it.

From their conclusion:

"Our identification strategy would be undermined if the Penn patrol boundary was selected because it reflects some natural geographic discontinuity of student living or commercial
properties that the university is particularly interested in protecting. To the best of our knowledge, the patrol zone was selected as part of a negotiation with the University City District,
and there is no evidence that the zone is anything but an attempt to secure the outer ring of the campus and off-campus properties that are considered valuable to the university (Rodin, 2007).

Fundamentally, there is no reason to think that the demographic or risk profile shifts fundamentally at 2 to 3 blocks beyond the boundary in the University City District. A large
number of university students live as far as 50th street, suggesting that street blocks have similar
exposure to student risk groups within our bandwidth. The hiring of additional police services
appears to be an effective approach to reducing crime."

of that area

http://www.westphillylocal.com/2014/06/23/tracking-west-phillys-demographics-with-new-online-map/

http://www.wired.com/2013/08/how-segregated-is-your-city-this-eye-opening-map-shows-you/#slideid-210271

should be pretty clear

as soon as you step outside the boundary in the first map

the average income plummets

and it also should be clear

that there is a concentration of whites and asians in that same boundary

to say the demographics are the same because some students live on 50th St is a stretch

and it still doesn't address the issue that they are not only comparing 2 didn't demographics of the population

they are comparing private security services, UPenn cops

with city cops, PPD

lived in Rittenhouse Square for a little over a year
lived in West Oak Lane for almost a year

that demarkation line where UPENN police presents ends is THICK
i'm talking a half block inside of it is like Mecca
a half block outside of it is Sodom & Gomora

the further away from 40th street you get, the less likely you want to be walking around at night

but once you pass say 44th,
it's a fucking WRAP!!!
especially on like chestnut and market

you MIGHT be ok on osage, pine or larchwood

if you saying police presence don't prevent crime in these areas you crazy
yes, upenn students do get robbed inside this protective zone
but the likely hood of a chinese upenn getting robbed for his backpack with laptop in it on say 44th and Spruce vs 54th and Spruce is laughable



police be helping, yo

I'm not sure you read through the replies

so I'll reiterate my issue with the study that was cited

it is comparing 2 different police forces
UPenn
and PPD
as well as 2 different demographics
Univeristy City residents
and West Philly residents

IMO, it is counter intuitive to say there is less crime on UPenn's campus

*because of the number of security officers inside their perimeter*

considering the employment, income, and other societal factors of those demographics

as well as the differences in law enforcement tactics of the 2 different agencies

could also, easily be an explanation for lower crime rates

a better comparison would be 2 metro areas with similar residential demographics

but one having a higher officer per capita

I'm sure that would result in more 'crimes'

other wise they wouldn't have a need for more officers

yeah a lot of upenn staff/students live around there
but it aint actually "on campus"

you cant play that demographics crap with me
in just a few short blocks the residents change but the air is the same
water is the same
and them niggas that live on the "other" side of 46th have legs, bikes and cars to easily mosey over to the "below 46th" side to do they robbing
fact of the matter is,
niggas know UPENN police is THICK and be on bicycles and on foot and UPENN got cameras hidden in trees and shit around the campus so niggas is less likely to rob folks close(r) to UPENN than not


if you want to use Drexel
how many niggas get robbed around there?
where's Drexel's demarkation line?
Powellton street?
I used to do a ton of volunteer work in Mantua
"the bottoms"
niggas over there know where to quit robbin because the chances of getting caught is higher south of Powellton




>I'm not sure you read through the replies
>
>so I'll reiterate my issue with the study that was cited
>
>it is comparing 2 different police forces
>UPenn
>and PPD
>as well as 2 different demographics
>Univeristy City residents
>and West Philly residents
>
>IMO, it is counter intuitive to say there is less crime on
>UPenn's campus
>
>*because of the number of security officers inside their
>perimeter*
>
>considering the employment, income, and other societal factors
>of those demographics
>
>as well as the differences in law enforcement tactics of the 2
>different agencies
>
>could also, easily be an explanation for lower crime rates
>
>a better comparison would be 2 metro areas with similar
>residential demographics
>
>but one having a higher officer per capita
>
>I'm sure that would result in more 'crimes'
>
>other wise they wouldn't have a need for more officers

Names changed to protect confidentiality.

1. Eddie and Jobo were riding in a car and decided to beat and rob a random stranger. They spotted Chuck sitting on a bus stop bench and jumped out to get him. They got him - as they beat him 2 cops arrived. They ran from the cops b4 they could rob him.

2. Devante walked on a sidewalk and ran into a group of 6 Corner Players - gang members with whom he had beef. Words were exchanged and both sides were ready to throw down. But then a cop approached after having seen the dudes about to get into it. Most of them ran off.

3. Sally was in Wall Mart intent on committing retail theft. She concealed some makeup in her shirt sleeve and soda in her purse. This was the 3rd time she had been in the store. An officer happened to be in the store too and loss prevention pointed her out. She was stopped b4 she left the store and the items were found on her person.

these stories happened to you personally?

I can recount more stories. I don't know that the police have prevented a crime for me personally. I dunno which stick up kids moved on bc they saw police in the area. I dunno which burglar didn't crawl in my window or which car thief opted out of stealing my car bc of the police camera on my block. I dunno what drunk driver stayed off the road and didn't hit me bc s/he feared being stopped by police.

This past summer there was a gang war in my hood. Shootings at least once per week - including one with a .50 cal Desert Eagle. Police responded with increased presence - more squad cars, beat cops on bikes and on foot, and helicopters. I welcomed it. I walked my blocks and wasn't too worried I'd be stopped, I was more concerned with the police preventing and/or stopping the shootings. Their presence made me feel better and neighbors agreed based on posts I read on a local blog. But we all agreed the helicopters were too much. We told the alderman to have the copters called off. The shootings stopped too. I dunno that the police stopped the shootings and/or prevented more but seeing more squad cars and beat cops was good.

mostly in the smaller more minor offenses like parking violations though

when u know u can get away with stuff...more people will try

or moved out the city. between the attorney general's crack down on the mob and the heavy handed policing of minority communities, nyc is not a great place to be a criminal anymore. it will take years if not decades to return to the crime levels of 10-20-30-40 years ago.

As the car on the other side is closer. Just don't let them leave first lol

are criminals running the streets w/impunity?

have the ppl fallen into complete disorder?

is it anarchy? nihilism?

or has life been relatively orderly?

The only crim activity that sticks out recently was the off-duty Cop beating the woman on the platform.
No biggie!
Small stuff like that, no need for him to be sitting in the Tombs, peanut butter sandwich in hand.

if they reduce interactions by 90%

and thereby the police criminal conduct, murdered citizens, etc...

= telling on yourself

i.e., were the people that the PDs murdered even committing a crime, or was it just PDs escalating scenarios?

i fell asleep
a week later i came into work
jobs still here
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i mean yay obama and employment
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hrm
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lol this morning i had my dj bag and it was hard to find a "clean" spot

dirty NYr's

=(

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because otherwise, if it was just cops saying "we've had enough with politicians looking at us as revenue generators, forcing our superiors to issue quotas for bullshit violations that hurt the pockets of regular people. we're not doing it anymore" it could lead to a great conversation. Instead, we're just laughing at the NYPD strategy backfiring.

"we appreciate that you realize how unfair it is to ask law enforcement to essentially tax the citizens they're supposed to serve and protect. especially since it's usually done to black and brown people, and usually to people who can't afford the fines, which leads to warrants for unpaid summonses, which leads to arrests, loss of employment, and furthering the prison-industrial complex. I'm glad to see that the rank and file members of the NYPD are putting their foot down and telling politicians to grow some balls and raise taxes, instead of using cops as fundraisers. Go cops!"

sheeeit
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"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

from a facebook friend:

"interestingly, since reports aren't being taken, the crime rate should also drop dramatically, meaning that killing police will be the best crime reduction program in the history of the city of NY"

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http://gothamist.com/2015/01/06/slowdown_for_what.php

Bratton: Don't Call It A Slowdown

For nearly forty minutes yesterday, Mayor de Blasio and Police Commissioner Bratton talked about everything except the 90% decrease in summonses and the 56% decrease in arrests made by the NYPD over the last two weeks—as if lauding the 4.6% drop in overall crime in 2014 and the 2,600 fewer robberies would force the officers back to work. "I've not used the term 'slowdown,' which would indicate it's an organized or even comprehensive initiative," Bratton said.

In fact, according to the commissioner, even though police are no longer writing public urination tickets and cuffing turnstile jumpers, overall crime is still down. "Even with that reduced activity, the overall crime numbers have continued to decline in the city," Bratton said.

David Goodman at the Times asked if that proved his strict adherence to Broken Windows was misguided.

"Not at all. In terms of—you're referencing Broken Windows, I know it's something your paper would like to have—see done away with. Sorry, Broken Windows is here to stay. Stop, Question and Frisk is here to stay. But it will done in appropriate amounts."

After adding that the department changed its tactics with respect to low-level marijuana arrests that were "costing us a fortune," Bratton ripped a page out of his predecessor's book when defending the millions of police stops that were eventually declared unconstitutional: The Bad Old Days.

"Broken Windows—make no mistake about it—I was here in 1990, not '94, and if you lived here then—that was before we started implementing Broken Windows. We're not going back to that period of time—never again."

Mayor de Blasio jumped in to voice his support for the practice that has produced a 190% increase in low-level arrests since 1980, even though nearly half of those arrests are either dismissed at arraignment or are never pursued by prosecutors.

"A lot of us were here in the 1980s, 1990s, and could never have imagined these kind of numbers. They are the result of a proactive strategy. They're the result of a number of strategies, one of which is the Broken Windows approach," the mayor said.

"It's a strategy that's worked. I certainly don't think a few very aberrant days suggest anything compared to what you see over the course of a whole year of success."

The Times notes that the City earns roughly $10.5 million a week from parking summonses, and the slowdown is eating into that income. On the other hand, as the commissioner pointed out, the lower activity is "probably saving money."

A report by the Police Reform Organizing Project recently showed that in the first four months of 2014, the NYPD made an average of 648 misdemeanor arrests every day, which costs the City roughly $1,134,000.

At times, Bratton seemed to indicate that the slowdown had already been worked out, then made not-so-veiled threats to punish officers who failed to maintain summons and arrest activity.

"I will look very specifically, precinct by precinct, tour of duty by tour of duty, sector car by sector car, officer by officer. And we will deal with it very appropriately if we have to. We may see, during the course of this week, as we come out of the turmoil of the past month, that things begin to return to normal on their own volition."

He also addressed the hundreds of NYPD officers who disregarded his request to not engage in any form of protest at the funeral for slain Detective Weijan Liu on Sunday.

"What was the need, in the middle of that ceremony, to engage in a political action? I don’t get it. And I’m very disappointed—very disappointed—in those who did not respond to my requests," he said.

"Looking at the papers this morning—the cover stories on so many of the papers focused on their actions, focused on them—the selfishness of that action—the selfishness of it. A funeral is not a place for that. Come demonstrate outside City Hall. Come demonstrate outside police headquarters, but don’t put on your uniform and go to a funeral, and engage in a political action. I’m sorry. I feel very strongly about this. I do."

The slowdown also includes a 17% decrease in felony arrests, something the commissioner said that the 17,000 or so officers who live in New York City wouldn't tolerate for long.

"Their families are here, they ride the subways, they walk the streets, their kids go to the schools, they use the parks—if you think that those officers are going to risk the safety of their families, and allow the other half, who don't live here, to risk the safety of their families—I don't think that's going to happen. I think officers are very mindful that if this city were allowed to be de-policed, some of the first that would be affected would be their families."

As some recent stories fall out of the headlines, let's not forget that the issues remain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/opinion/no-justice-no-police.html?smid=fb-nytimes&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&bicmp=AD&smtyp=aut&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id

Mayor Bill de Blasio has been in office barely a year, and already forces of entropy are roaming the streets, turning their backs on the law, defying civil authority and trying to unravel the social fabric.

No, not squeegee-men or turnstile-jumpers. We’re talking about the cops.

For the second straight week, police officers across the city have all but stopped writing tickets and severely cut down the number of arrests. The Times reported that in the week ending Sunday, only 347 criminal summonses were issued citywide, down from 4,077 over the same period last year. Parking and traffic tickets were down by more than 90 percent. In Coney Island, ticketing and summonses fell to zero.

The city has been placed in an absurd position, with its police commissioner, William Bratton — a pioneer of “broken windows” policing who has just written a long, impassioned defense of that strategy as an essential crime-fighting tool — leading a force that is refusing to carry it out.

Police union officials deny responsibility for the mass inaction. But Edward Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, said officers had talked among themselves and “it became contagious,” apparently like the flu.

Call this what it is: a reckless, coordinated escalation of a war between the police unions and Mr. de Blasio and a hijacking of law-enforcement policy by those who do not set law-enforcement policy. This deplorable gesture is bound to increase tension in a city already rattled over the killing by the police of an unarmed man, Eric Garner, last summer, the executions of two officers in Brooklyn last month, and the shootings on Monday of two plainclothes officers in the Bronx.

Mr. Bratton spoke delicately at a news conference on Monday. He said there could be other explanations, like officers being too busy handling police-reform demonstrations and attending funerals. He promised to investigate — and to “deal with it very appropriately, if we have to.”

Mr. de Blasio’s critics foretold doom when he was elected a year ago. They said graffiti, muggings and other crime would rush back with a vengeance. They were dead wrong — crime rates continued to decline to historic lows in 2014 — but now it seems the cops are trying to help prove them right.

The madness has to stop. The problem is not that a two-week suspension of “broken windows” policing is going to unleash chaos in the city. The problem is that cops who refuse to do their jobs and revel in showing contempt to their civilian leaders are damaging the social order all by themselves.

Mr. de Blasio, who has been cautious since the shootings, found his voice on Monday, saying for the first time that the police officers’ protests of turning their backs at the slain officers’ funerals had been disrespectful to the families of the dead. He was right, but he needs to do more.

He should appeal directly to the public and say plainly that the police are trying to extort him and the city he leads.

If the Police Department’s current commanders cannot get the cops to do their jobs, Mr. de Blasio should consider replacing them.

He should invite the Justice Department to determine if the police are guilty of civil rights violations in withdrawing policing from minority communities.

He should remind the police that they are public employees, under oath to uphold city and state laws.

If Mr. de Blasio’s critics are right and the city is coming unglued, it is not because of what he has done. He was elected by an overwhelming vote, because he promised action on police reform, starting with the end of stop-and-frisk tactics that corralled so many innocent New Yorkers into the criminal-justice system. The city got the mayor it wanted — and then, because of Mr. de Blasio, it got Mr. Bratton.

Mr. Bratton’s faith in “broken windows” needs rethinking. But nothing will be fixed as long as police officers are refusing to do their jobs.

A video emerged this week of a New York cop, apparently with nothing better to do, horsing around on the hood of a squad car, falling off and hitting his head. It would be hard to invent a more fitting image of the ridiculous — and dangerous — place this atmosphere of sullen insubordination has taken us.

http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/no-time-off-for-nypd-until-cops-get-back-to-work/

“Police officers around the city are now threatened with transfers, no vacation time and sick time unless they write summonses,” one union source said.

the options appear to be

catch up

or be penalized (no time off, etc...)

I'll pray for you.

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talk to me i dont go to the area often

we still get towers on Myrtle from time to time
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thre's been one on franklin on and off for a minute
def on nostrand
def on malcolm x
i wont even look up tompkins towards myrtle when im on it after the shootings. i just go to bed vyne and mind my own beeswax but you definitely hear choppers out there

yes franklin is gentrified as hell but stuff still pops off. at franklin park even. i've seen cops en masse on franklin and st. johns and nearby because of the bars alone

(c) Mos.

FAP Franklin Avenue Posse numerous times on Enta Da Stage crossed my mind when I first read that response.