and now since i googled for a pic i see they are cheaper at Sak's so i will returning them and going to Sak's instead i got them for $63 + tax
thanks for the plug tho
p.s. why do so many ppl "hate" me??? i've only met like a dozen OKP in real life who know my screenname (probably 60 OKP that dont know they met me) this is crazy