http://www.ustream.tv/channel/stackizshort?utm_campaign=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed

and that the body was in the street for up to an hour before any ambo arrived.

smh

but they but the tarp over him. My goodness this brings back the trauma I had when I was 8 years old yet again.
Saw a 20 year old man just bleed out and die because the ambulance took 4 hours to get there...
I understood at a very young age that being a Black man meant they would not care to save your life.
I don't understand what excuse at all could keep an ambulance on a fucking Wednesday morning HOURS to show up.

.

.

you mean to tell me a young man in THIS climate...in THAT area...was confronted by a unifomed police officer w/ HIS weapon drawn

& that kid, pulled his gun out & pointed it @ the officer, thereby making the officer fear for his life (as he is allowed to point HIS gun at others but nobody can point their gun at him) & kill him.

that doesnt make sense.

i can see the victim in a panic, raising his shirt to say he its cool...but i do have a gun, please dont shoot

& then getting shot anyway


does it really matter?

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Rudy Giuliani is right. Blacks, sorry, blacks are violent.
Why fight it anymore?
Just accept we're wrong and every shooting is justified.

so what about cop on cop crime ?

>Rudy Giuliani is right. Blacks, sorry, blacks are violent.
>Why fight it anymore?
>Just accept we're wrong and every shooting is justified.


.
.
.
"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

it's to the point now where it's hard to even remember all of these cases

cop...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vqUf6H-po

dont make quick moves or point fake guns at cops at 1130PM
hell at ANYONE for that matter
especially if it is you and your homeboy vs one singular person

Why not use the patrol car dashcam??????????

I can see the arm raise but theres no way
anybody can see a 'gun' could be trying to hand over ID.
As wack as this vid is he coulda just caught a L in 2K
and was trying hand over the sticks.

But I can see another cam on the over hang right by the scene
Why not use that? OR the dashcam?
Wheres the rest of the tape?

STLPD been showed their asses on some 'Transparency' type

Ima need more from these known offenders
Its just not enuff

>Why not use the patrol car dashcam??????????
>
>I can see the arm raise but theres no way
>anybody can see a 'gun' could be trying to hand over ID.
>As wack as this vid is he coulda just caught a L in 2K
>and was trying hand over the sticks.
>
>But I can see another cam on the over hang right by the scene
>Why not use that? OR the dashcam?
>Wheres the rest of the tape?
>
>STLPD been showed their asses on some 'Transparency' type
>
>Ima need more from these known offenders
>Its just not enuff
>

Nothing like handing over an ID. You can clearly see him holding onto the object with two hands at shoulder level, pointing it at the cop.

I'd like to see more footage too, but this on the surface doesn't appear to be unjustified.

Cop approaches suspect for questioning , suspect then randomly extends arm with *weapon*. Suspect then watches and as officer reaches for his own weapon and waits as officer shoots him while he still has weapon extended and in his hand?

I mean did Antonio think they were out there having a 1,2,3 draw or something?? Shit dosent even sound right.

I'm just going by what I see on the video.

I don't know the rationale behind pulling a gun on someone and waiting for them to pull one and shoot you first. You're right, it doesn't make sense, but people do shit all the time that doesn't make sense.

Does that make sense?

show me a place where a professional has refuted the investigator's claim that mike brown was punching darren wilson thru the window then reached in the car to try and grab darren wilsons gun?

regardless of what version of the story you believe

the physical evidence can NOT be argued against

Michael Brown was +100 feet from Wilson's car when he died

+100 feet

the 'I feared for my life' defense falls a little flat

when the victim is running away from Wilson

UNARMED

and Wilson continues to fire at Brown until he is dead

THAT can NOT be argued against.

We talking about a 47 step sequence of events
all played out in like 6 minutes


And an "investigator" can determine (4 hrs later? 4weeks later? Back at the morgue? Wha?) That there were punches thru the window?

Punches that the lying cop says felt like coming from a "demon", hulk hogan manhandling a kid, & 1 punch away from blacking out

And photos show not even a skin bruise

ppls brains&media just fill in whatever story they are comfortable with



even the gun shot in the hand is inconclusive
could be reaching 4 the gun
could be swatting gun away
Could be blocking/shielding his body

but the last 2 wld mean Wilson pulled out 1st, escalated, was the aggressor, so those stories were never floated or there

Smh.

Gf there and you just want to pull out a gun on a cop only to NOT use it and wait for him use his? Not buying it.

i'm guess there will be another camera that caught this with a better view.

Apparently it wasn't activated. I've read that the dash cam video wasn't active either.

It also seems to be a common occurrence.

Footage in cases like this seems to be hard to come by on the cop side of things.

building directly over them, I wonder if it caught anything

it was probably pointed to the far reaches up under the camera that caught the footage
so, it would have caught the face of the girl walking into the store that got out that charger

>it was probably pointed to the far reaches up under the
>camera that caught the footage
>so, it would have caught the face of the girl walking into the
>store that got out that charger

But we should probably be slow to turn up on this one. If you pulling a gun on a cop, you can't be bad if he defends himself.

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body cams are all well and good but ain't gonna do shit
neither dash cam nor body cam was 'on' right
or maybe something happened to the footage

Still not clear what happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G3q3yPrKoU&sns=tw

https://t.co/L1w7KQfCLv

That are also so well trained that they don't know how to use the body cameras that are assigned for their insurance specifically for incidents like these? Oh.

I can't say I've ever seen a grown man knocked down from the kick back of a hand gun...

...but I have now...

I'm thinking he pulled out his phone to record the cop, the cop thought it was a gun (because the police are afraid of black people and are cowards) stumbled and shot dude. And let's assume the kid did have a gun, the police aren't trained to use non-lethal force? they can arrest white domestic terrorists who shoot up schools and movie theaters, but a black kid who (allegedly) had a gun and didnt even squeeze off any shots has to be put down? OK.

>
>I'm thinking he pulled out his phone to record the cop, the
>cop thought it was a gun (because the police are afraid of
>black people and are cowards) stumbled and shot dude. And
>let's assume the kid did have a gun, the police aren't trained
>to use non-lethal force? they can arrest white domestic
>terrorists who shoot up schools and movie theaters, but a
>black kid who (allegedly) had a gun and didnt even squeeze off
>any shots has to be put down? OK.

IF the "kid" really pointed a gun at the cop then the cop was definely justified in shooting him. That's called "suicide by cop".

You don't meet lethal force with non-lethal force.

Is the cop supposed to wait until they pull the trigger before they can shoot back?

>You don't meet lethal force with non-lethal force.


simple question. if police are trying to kill you...can you try to kill them back?

if its not cool for us to do it to them...its not cool for them to do it to us

let us know how that worked out for you.

i dont think the police have that right but youre right if i defend myself against the police, i'd be killed or beaten at least. thats not fair.


does it really matter?

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Rights don't matter on the street.

You have the right to defend yourself against the use of excessive force, that doesn't mean cops will stop beating you if you defend yourself. It doesn't mean they won't kill you. It means if you survive and are charged with battery to a cop or resisting arrest you may be found not guilty at trial. That's it.

Your cynicism disgusts me but its par for the bloodsucking leech ass course of your profession


does it really matter?

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generally police and other government actors tend to recognize your rights while on the street and act accordingly. they do so b/c they understand/expect that in a criminal case against you or a civil case against them the government actors' bad act, if proved, is likely to result in a favorable outcome for you. they know if they interrogate you while in police custody w/o warning you of your right to remain silent then anything you tell them may be tossed out of your criminal case where it could otherwise be used to against you in court. so that's why they tend to give the warning. prosecutors know that if they file a criminal charge against you and you demand a speedy trial at your first court appearance and they don't bring your case to trial w/in 120 days through no fault of yours b/c you were ready for trial then your case may be dismissed where they could've likely proved your guilt.

that's how your rights work.

so yes, you have a right to defend yourself against a battery from anyone including the use of physical force as long your use of force is reasonable in response to their force. battery is any unwanted touching w/o legal justification that injures or insults and provokes. excessive force by police amounts to a battery b/c it's intentional unwanted touching w/o legal justification that injures and/or insults and provokes. and it means if you are charged w/battering or resisting the officer and you can prove that you only did what you did in self defense b/c the cop was using excessive force against you and thus committing a battery and you only used an amount of force that was reasonable in defense of yourself then you may be found not guilty at your trial.

it's not true that we civilians don't have the right to defend ourselves against the use of excessive force. we DO have the right - and too often courts (aka judges and even some juries) are too hesitant to recognize it. that's probably one of the many reasons why (bad) cops (and/or good cops having a (series of) bad moment(s)) don't act in consideration of that right.

i'm as frustrated as you seem to be when it comes to police misconduct and brutality. i see it pretty regularly considering the amount of contact i have w/police and victims of their brutality thanks to my professional life.

>simple question. if police are trying to kill you...can you
>try to kill them back?

yes.

in many states civilians have the right to defend themselves against the use of excessive force by police. b/c excessive force used by police is battery and everyone has the right to defend themselves against a battery.

why do you keep asking this question rhetorically?

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2002/jul/06/sagon-penn-couldnt-have-life/

Penn shot and killed San Diego police Officer Thomas Riggs, shot and ran over Officer Donovan Jacobs and wounded a civilian observer after he was pulled over in Encanto on March 31, 1985.

Police said they were looking for a gang member who had been seen with a gun about 15 minutes earlier. Penn, who had several friends in his pickup, was returning home from Balboa Park.

The confrontation began when Jacobs asked Penn for his license, but Penn refused to remove it from his wallet.

After two trials that focused attention on the Police Department's relationship with minorities, Penn was acquitted of murder in Riggs' death and of attempted-murder and attempted-manslaughter charges in the wounding of Jacobs and civilian ride-along Sarah Pina-Ruiz. A jury deadlocked on lesser charges, but Penn was not retried on those.

Penn claimed he fired in self-defense after grabbing Jacobs' gun. His case divided the city and ultimately led to the formation of the city's first citizens police review board.

>>simple question. if police are trying to kill you...can you
>>try to kill them back?
>
>yes.
>
>in many states civilians have the right to defend themselves
>against the use of excessive force by police. b/c excessive
>force used by police is battery and everyone has the right to
>defend themselves against a battery.
>
>why do you keep asking this question rhetorically?

You're getting your ass beat by the police, you and you fight back (prolly get your ass best some more and maybe killed) how do you not end up somehow being the asshole that was fighting the cops/ resisting arrest and rightfully beaten for it? By just having a good lawyer? Cause at that point it's just your word against theirs.

At trial if charged with resisting arrest and/or battery to a cop self defense is available as an affirmative defense. If the defense can prove the officer used excessive force and the defendant's force was reasonable given the circumstance (ie, didn't bring a gun to a fist fight) then the fact-finder may find the defendant not guilty.

>At trial if charged with resisting arrest and/or battery to a
>cop self defense is available as an affirmative defense. If
>the defense can prove the officer used excessive force and the
>defendant's force was reasonable given the circumstance (ie,
>didn't bring a gun to a fist fight) then the fact-finder may
>find the defendant not guilty.


Okay so we have the right to resist unlawful arrest, and the cops can still use excessive and potentially even lethal force to still arrest you even if "you" feel it is unlawful. And the only way to determine whether the arrest was lawful or unlawful is to go to a trial that you may or may not even be alive to make it to?

Also with what arguments can your attorney use to prove that you did not start a fight with cops sans witnesses or video evidence? Like how do you defend it?

And I really am asking these questions in all sincerity and not just to be contrary for the hell of it.

>Okay so we have the right to resist unlawful arrest, and the
>cops can still use excessive and potentially even lethal force
>to still arrest you even if "you" feel it is unlawful. And the
>only way to determine whether the arrest was lawful or
>unlawful is to go to a trial that you may or may not even be
>alive to make it to?

Yeah. Sure.

>Also with what arguments can your attorney use to prove that
>you did not start a fight with cops sans witnesses or video
>evidence? Like how do you defend it?

Too general to talk about.

I've seen lawyers use video and witness testimony to prove self-defense.

ive officially jumped the shark when pre teens are better able to get their point across

bc that's the main reason police are given that right...

bc they are supposed to be able to protect themselves and everyone else...

pulling a gun out in public as a civillian is supposed to be dangerous

pulling a gun out in public as an officer is not supposed to be

we see that things aren't going as planned bc they are

a.) human
b.) equally as incompetent at thinking/acting as other humans
c.) often poorly trained
d.) operating within an already flawed and biased system

but in a just world...yea...this is a right reserved by police officers

>>
>>I'm thinking he pulled out his phone to record the cop, the
>>cop thought it was a gun (because the police are afraid of
>>black people and are cowards) stumbled and shot dude. And
>>let's assume the kid did have a gun, the police aren't
>trained
>>to use non-lethal force? they can arrest white domestic
>>terrorists who shoot up schools and movie theaters, but a
>>black kid who (allegedly) had a gun and didnt even squeeze
>off
>>any shots has to be put down? OK.
>
>IF the "kid" really pointed a gun at the cop then the cop was
>definely justified in shooting him. That's called "suicide by
>cop".
>
>You don't meet lethal force with non-lethal force.
>
>Is the cop supposed to wait until they pull the trigger before
>they can shoot back?

IF he pulled a gun, then the cop was justified in shooting him, but we don't know that he did.

Which also raises the healthy and much needed dialogue about how other civilians with weapons, that have shot these weapons at other civilians AND at cops are still able to be apprehended alive. Were these cops better trained/equipped to diffuse these type situations? Or were those people perceived as less threatening? Even when suspects HAVE weapons and have used them it is still possible to apprehend them alive (and have seen that) thus lethal force shouldn't be the default. Changes need to be made.

>>>
>>>I'm thinking he pulled out his phone to record the cop, the
>>>cop thought it was a gun (because the police are afraid of
>>>black people and are cowards) stumbled and shot dude. And
>>>let's assume the kid did have a gun, the police aren't
>>trained
>>>to use non-lethal force? they can arrest white domestic
>>>terrorists who shoot up schools and movie theaters, but a
>>>black kid who (allegedly) had a gun and didnt even squeeze
>>off
>>>any shots has to be put down? OK.
>>
>>IF the "kid" really pointed a gun at the cop then the cop
>was
>>definely justified in shooting him. That's called "suicide
>by
>>cop".
>>
>>You don't meet lethal force with non-lethal force.
>>
>>Is the cop supposed to wait until they pull the trigger
>before
>>they can shoot back?
>
>IF he pulled a gun, then the cop was justified in shooting
>him, but we don't know that he did.
>
>Which also raises the healthy and much needed dialogue about
>how other civilians with weapons, that have shot these weapons
>at other civilians AND at cops are still able to be
>apprehended alive. Were these cops better trained/equipped to
>diffuse these type situations? Or were those people perceived
>as less threatening? Even when suspects HAVE weapons and have
>used them it is still possible to apprehend them alive (and
>have seen that) thus lethal force shouldn't be the default.
>Changes need to be made.

We see that clearly.

You maybe missed the post about the white woman who was driving around firing automatic rifle rounds, pointed the gun at cops, and was taken in alive.

>>
>>I'm thinking he pulled out his phone to record the cop, the
>>cop thought it was a gun (because the police are afraid of
>>black people and are cowards) stumbled and shot dude. And
>>let's assume the kid did have a gun, the police aren't
>trained
>>to use non-lethal force? they can arrest white domestic
>>terrorists who shoot up schools and movie theaters, but a
>>black kid who (allegedly) had a gun and didnt even squeeze
>off
>>any shots has to be put down? OK.
>
>IF the "kid" really pointed a gun at the cop then the cop was
>definely justified in shooting him. That's called "suicide by
>cop".
>
>You don't meet lethal force with non-lethal force.
>
>Is the cop supposed to wait until they pull the trigger before
>they can shoot back?


I guess I'm just trying to figure out why one black teenager who may or may not had a gun, is more of a threat than the white boy who DEFINITELY had a gun(s) and shot up the Dark Knight Rises opening. I guess cops are only trained to handle domestic terrorists and not black 18 year olds who might potentially be armed.

in the air when the police showed up


>I guess I'm just trying to figure out why one black teenager
>who may or may not had a gun, is more of a threat than the
>white boy who DEFINITELY had a gun(s) and shot up the Dark
>Knight Rises opening. I guess cops are only trained to handle
>domestic terrorists and not black 18 year olds who might
>potentially be armed.

Alive. Not advocating for ppl to be able to shoot at the police without consequence but saying that it can and has been done for.

some black ppl can shoot at the police and fight them and not be shot to death
like this black man here
why was he not immediately shot to death?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MQGlqoYNgY

>some black ppl can shoot at the police and fight them and not
>be shot to death
>like this black man here
>why was he not immediately shot to death?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MQGlqoYNgY

I dont know why, perhaps those police were better trained/ qualified to do their jobs or he was percieved as less threatening.

It's not really that far fetched. It's not like the police havent been known to lie and plant evidence before. Some of you are acting really brand new right now

And we've seen why.

no, dude. that aint how it works.

if the guy was armed and went for his weapon, that is a wrap.

sad ass story but there are a lot of innocent victims that should get the attention and ire.

yes im asking why is it that police get to kill people who draw guns & aim them at the police? i mean beyond the uneven application of that standard ie the cliven bundy situation why do the police get to kill, even when they may be killed? killing is wrong, isnt it? or do you fel killing is acceptable if your life is threatened. if so, then why is it ONLY police who get to feel that way? can i kill a cop when they threaten me (IGNORE SOWHAT who will ride in & quote the laws as if that shit matters)

NO i cannot kill a cop even if he was threatening me...not & have any high hopes of survival.

so where is it written or where did i agree that police get to kill me...but i cant kill them. i dont agree with that system, where can i opt out?

this is america. we are free here

*waves flag*


does it really matter?

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eliminating it entirely, but very effective means of non-lethal force would have to be developed. i think there is an intimidation culture in law enforcement, from top to bottom, that has prevented that from happening.

but here we are talking about law and protocol, are we not? then we can talk about what is and then talk about what should be later.

we don't know exactly what happened here and whatever happened won't bring this kid back.

differ

i mean what he means by CAN is not a threshold matter of ability/inability, but rather a legal question. 999/1000, the cop is skating. 999/1000, your ass is going down hard and probably dying by apprehension or being convicted of a capital crime.

Do you think we shouldn't have police at all?

And the whole system is predicated on this law that clearly...in practices & in the letter of it operates to put me at a disadvantage, then yes im a nihilist because that law and that system are unjust


does it really matter?

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We need police and we NEED them to best that they can possibly be. If exposing the bad apples and demanding transparency leads to better and more consistent policing then im here for it.

Or saying that he had a cellphone? Are there more videos released where you can actually SEE wtf is in his hand?

I see everyone spinning the video to fit their own narratives.

we don't know what happened but this absurdity of the cell phone guess and the thing of "he didn't even fire!" was just too funny

A gun being recovered does not equate to it being Antonio's.

>we don't know what happened but this absurdity of the cell
>phone guess and the thing of "he didn't even fire!" was just
>too funny

Yes and they're all just that, GUESSES. And they all sound equally absurd based off of the evidence that has been presented so far.

came out by now

This is the first im hearing of it. The only "witnesses" I've seen/heard have been on Twitter.... And yea well we know how credible that is...

The report I saw said that there were two witnesses, haven't heard about any of the statements from these witnesses. Someone link me to it.

Is the gun possibly had the safety on, that's why it didn't fire

I don't even know if the gun supposedly recovered was the type to have a safety, just sayin


Whole thing is odd, even the robbery if his girl/mom were there with him

Some of you niggas are true blue coons. I bet some of y'all are on that Pharell Williams "new black" shit.

>Some of you niggas are true blue coons. I bet some of y'all
>are on that Pharell Williams "new black" shit.

"The New Black doesn't blame other races for our issues," said Pharrell, one of the world's most successful musicians, to Oprah, billionaire queen of the world. "The New Black dreams and realises that it's not pigmentation: it's a mentality and it's either going to work for you or it's going to work against you. And you've got to pick the side you're going to be on."

http://www.theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2014/apr/22/trouble-with-pharrell-williams-new-black-theory


its basically some pie in the sky, 'post racial' bullshit.

Same way I didn't support Kenneth Harding in SF. RIP to Oscar Grant, Alex Nieto & Yanira Serrano-Garcia (young lady I worked with).

From the videos (no audio) I've seen...

I saw 2 young men approach a solo police officer pulling up to a gas station. The 3 began talking. One young man walk away from solo officer, then walked back & point what appeared to be a firearm at a solo police officer standing less than 10 feet away w/ the other young man (white pants) witnessing the whole account, then fleeing the scene.

This isn't like the Cliven Bundy situation in Nevada where men in body armor, behind cement cover, armed with assault rifles & scopes, aiming at police with less fire power from an elevated position at what appeared to be over 200 ft.

I'm not saying Martin deserved to die but I won't support him.

Merry Christmas y'all...

...and this is where we can stop

from recent conversations

I'm guessing alot of people have had NO interaction with police in their life

NONE

That video clearly starts off with a cop pulling up on people just walking away from a gas station

and fucking with them for NO reason

NONE

why did the cop even stop them from walking away?

...and this is what alot of people are tired of...

being fucked with for NO reason

I don't know where you're from

but why would they 'approach' the officer?

>...and this is where we can stop
>
>from recent conversations
>
>I'm guessing alot of people have had NO interaction with
>police in their life
>
>NONE

Let's make this about the videos please.
>
>That video clearly starts off with a cop pulling up on people
>just walking away from a gas station

My initial statement is based on my assumption is Antonio Brown had a firearm. Some people in this post believe after watching the 3 videos available that the man did not have a gun. I'm not going to argue with those ppl cuz we're watching the same videos. This story is pretty new.

2 men walk around a white car. 4 ppl end up walking towards the cop car. There is no audio but it appears that 2 of the 4 ppl approaching the car began to talk with the solo cop. There are roughly 5 parking spaces between the white car & cop car. That's why I'm saying they approached the cop car. The lights on top of the cop car weren't flashing so maybe the 2 didn't realize the cop car was pulling into the gas station after the 2 young men made a move around the white car parked

>
>and fucking with them for NO reason
>
>NONE
>
>why did the cop even stop them from walking away?
>
>...and this is what alot of people are tired of...
>
>being fucked with for NO reason
>
>I don't know where you're from
>
>but why would they 'approach' the officer?

I don't know my man. I'm already making an assumption dude is pointing a gun at police. The 3rd video , where Antonio is cut off, is sketch. Yes, I will acknowledge I saw a light coming from Antonio's hand.

I'm from the Bay. I bring up Kenneth Harding because he was a young man that ppl were rallying behind locally because cops stopped him. he had no bus fare while riding the bus. He ran from the police, cops chased him down & ended up shooting him in the back while fleeing. All this went down in one of SF's notorious hoods called hunter's point. "Broad day." This was after Oscar Grant (not sure if it was before verdict). I rallied behind him because of heavy presence of local alternative media 'round these parts.

But then I asked a local, who's on the block forreal in HP, & he gave me his account. "He had it coming to him. He was on the bus waving his gun, lit as fuck, trying to punk ppl...I saw the whole thing. It was fucked up. Here..." Pulls out his flip phone and shows me a pic of Harding laying in his blood.

Make it about what u see in the 3 videos available. If anything, SimplyHannah's post below saying videos are doctored got me thinking. And if the videos were doctored, if he really didn't have a gun, then THAT'S SOME FUCKED UP CRAZY SHIT!

For the record I've been cuffed & searched but never mirandized.

No shade. Peace to u my man.

Looked like a phone to me

also adds as to why the video editing is suspect as hell too

bc they cut the video before what he had in his hands hits the ground

it's the same fucking video that's been going around

The one I saw wasn't good at all. Couldn't make out shit in that video

I don't know how ppl are seeing clearly enough to costruct these stories

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/12/25/antonio-martin-shooting-updates-police-edit-videos-and-we-see-something-glowing-in-his-hands/

now ppl like well wait...DID he have a gun? what if it was this?! i dunnnooooooo


good shit


does it really matter?

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you niggas are embarrassing B. I glad I don't associate with any of yall niggas in real life.

https://twitter.com/anonymouscenter/status/547743932394663936

So far we have edited video

some of which is hard to tell what is in Antonio's hand

another which seems to show him holding a cell phone

and now some photos from the scene don't show a gun until 2 hours later

some reports are saying the gun is a throw away, no serial number, and no DNA from Antonio on it

with everyday that passes this is looking like some fuck shit

>https://twitter.com/anonymouscenter/status/547743932394663936
>
>So far we have edited video
>
>some of which is hard to tell what is in Antonio's hand
>
>another which seems to show him holding a cell phone
>
>and now some photos from the scene don't show a gun until 2
>hours later
>
>some reports are saying the gun is a throw away, no serial
>number, and no DNA from Antonio on it
>
>with everyday that passes this is looking like some fuck shit
>
>

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Police: Multiple witnesses say Antonio Martin pulled gun on officer
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By Wesley Lowery December 30

St. Louis Police officers guard the entrance to the Cathedral Basilica before Midnight Mass as protesters held a candlelight vigil on Wednesday, Dec. 24, 2014, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Robert Cohen)
City officials in Berkeley, Mo. said on Tuesday that several witnesses have told police that 18-year-old Antonio Martin drew a gun and pointed it at an officer before he was shot and killed by that officer last week and provided new details about the encounter meant to undermine vocal protesters who have raised pointed questions about the shooting.

The Dec. 23 shooting, which occurred just 5 miles from where Michael Brown was killed in August, sparked protests and at-times violent clashes between police and residents last week, which left several officers injured and a gas station across the street partially vandalized.

“Mr. Martin was armed, Mr. Martin did attempt to fire when he pulled a weapon on the officer,” said Berkeley Police Chief Frank McCall, who added that several witnesses including the man who is seen walking with Martin moments before the shooting have confirmed that Martin drew a weapon on the officer before being shot.


St. Louis County police released several surveillance videos from Tuesday, Dec. 23, when a white officer fatally shot Antonio Martin, a black 18-year-old, in Berkeley, Mo. (Sarah Parnass/The Washington Post)
The shooting sparked renewed protests in Greater St. Louis, where demonstrations have occurred almost nightly for the four months since Brown was shot and killed after an altercation with a white Ferguson police officer. That fatal shooting – and the grand jury decision to not indict officer Darren Wilson – was one of the driving forces behind the “Black Lives Matter” protests against police shootings that have sprouted in more than a dozen cities.

But top officials in Berkeley have insisted that the shooting of Martin should not be lumped together with that of Brown and the deaths of Eric Garner in New York and Tamir Rice and John Crawford in Ohio – all black men who were unarmed when they were killed by white officers – because Martin allegedly pulled a weapon on the officer.

Police in Berkeley have released several partial video clips that appear to show Martin approaching the officer, then walking away before lifting his arm. In a second video clip, the officer can be seen scurrying backward and falling down – his weapon discharging – before he ran for cover.

Mayor Theodore Hoskins said that groups that continue to protest the shooting have no “objective,” and said that demonstrations that attempt to “disrupt” the city such as one on Monday night that closed a local freeway, will not be tolerated.

According to police, they first received a call about shoplifting at a Mobil gas station at 11:11 p.m., with an officer arriving on the scene and confronting Martin – who police say matched the description of the suspected shoplifter – at 11:14.

One minute later, the officer radioed that shots had been fired.

McCall could not provide any details of the alleged theft, referring questions about what Martin allegedly stole to St. Louis County Police. He also speculated that Martin’s gun did not fire at the officer because the safety was on – but said that he had not directly examined the weapon.


A common criticism and question from protest groups has concerned whether Martin was given medical attention after being shot. Within 20 minutes of the shooting, many of the protesters who have demonstrated in Ferguson had shown up at the scene of the shooting – including at least one who provided livestream video footage. Many online have questioned why no paramedics were seen tending to Martin by the protesters who arrived.

However, city officials insisted that paramedics arrived at the scene of the shooting at 11:21 p.m. – approximately six minutes after the shooting – and had declared Martin dead, covering his body, by 11:28 p.m.

Hoskins and McCall declined to provide the name of the officer involved in the shooting, saying only that he remains on paid leave and is dealing with anxiety related to the shooting.

The news conference came one day after protesters shut down the freeway near the site of the shooting, prompting police response.

“Protest should be peaceful, and we understand the constitution. There is no reason for the protesters to continue in the city of Berkeley unless they will not accept the fact that Mr. Martin drew his gun first,” Hoskins said. “We can only present the facts, and if they do not believe in that, that’s on them. The city of Berkeley will not tolerate what occurred last night.”

But that proclamation, partnered with the decision by Berkeley officials to not release the officer’s name, seems likely to further enrage protesters and some residents who remain skeptical about the circumstances of the shooting.

“Mayor says that blocking highways and streets ‘will not be acceptable from this day forward.’ That sounds like a challenge,” declared protest organizer DeRay Mckesson, who live-tweeted his reaction to the news conference. “This Mayor has just re-ignited the protests in Berkeley. I hope that we’re all ready for what he just started with that statement.”

Police also confirmed information about the arrest of Joshua Williams, a well-known 19-year-old Ferguson protester who they say has confessed to starting a fire at the QuickTrip gas station across the street from where Martin was killed on the night of the shooting.


Williams, who has been a near-constant presence at the Ferguson protests, has been charged with arson and burglary after store surveillance cameras and media footage captured images that appear to show Williams entering the gas station and attempt to start fires both inside and outside.

While Williams has never been a key organizer or leader of any of the protest groups that have emerged in the months since the Brown shooting, his energy – often among those yelling loudest at elected officials and police during demonstrations – has made him one of the most photographed and interviewed of the protest regulars.

Critics of the budding protest movement have seized the charge – which appears to be the first charge of arson related to any of more than two dozen buildings that have been at least partially damaged on nights when protests have turned violent – to fuel their claim that the Ferguson demonstrators were never, in fact, peaceful protesters. Many of the most vocal and prominent protesters, however, have stood by Williams – beginning online fundraising efforts for his bail. Several expressed anger that Berkeley officials brought up Williams’s charges while providing relatively few new details about Martin’s fatal encounter with officers.

“It’s amazing how clear they can be about Josh and yet the events leading to Antonio Martin’s death are fuzzy,” tweeted Charles Wade, who has helped organize many of the Ferguson protests. “A press conference about Antonio Martin should be about Antonio Martin… Josh had nothing to do with Antonio Martin’s death.”

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They still haven't released the whole video

and the ivestigation is still open and a homocide

not sure what all the patting each other on the back is up in here

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