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12681710, Q-Tip Gives Iggy Azalea A Hip-Hop History Lesson On Twitter
Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Sun Dec-21-14 10:32 AM
http://www.vibe.com/article/q-tip-hip-hop-lesson-iggy-azalea-twitter


http://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif
12681715, what prompted all this?
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 10:47 AM
That Azealia Banks interview? Is he just trying to follow up with a more proper and palatable lesson than Azealia was trying to dish or did Iggy actually do something this time?
12681736, Iggy responded lamely/ignorantly to the interview
Posted by bonitaapplebaum71481, Sun Dec-21-14 12:10 PM
Tip hit her up in the tweets to educate her about the genre she's supposedly top of the game in....

12681753, What is Iggy supposed to do or say at this point?
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 12:50 PM
Just drop her schtik that ppl ate up? Shes just doing what she genuinely thinks hiphop/rap music is, which IMO is really no different from what all the other women in hip hop/ rap are doing or have done with the exception of like Missy Elliot and Lauren Hill. If folks are upset about her presence and popularity in " hip hop " the ones that need to be adressed are the folks giving her the ability to do so (TI) and those buying her music, which are not us.

12681760, RE: What is Iggy supposed to do or say at this point?
Posted by murph71, Sun Dec-21-14 01:02 PM


Iggy can keep doing what she is doing music wise...No harm, no foul there...

But she should turn down the entitlement thing she seems to always bring to the party...I truly believe that when Iggy makes clueless statements like "U are being racist!" to a very complicated and emotional topic for many folks (like A. Banks...) she is doing so mostly because she is not from this country...

Iggy just needs to realize that her success doesn't come in a vacuum....I think Tip's Tweets go a long way to tugging on Iggy's slip very respectfully I might add...
12682924, She's from country NSW, Australia.
Posted by shockzilla, Tue Dec-23-14 08:01 AM
It could be forgivable that she is somewhat culturally-unaware, however she needs to be a lot humbler and willing to learn - particularly as she's making Black music.

That she instead chooses to be obnoxious and to not take heed of what people are saying isn't very flattering. She needs to shut her mouth and open her ears.
12681761, a small step would be the same move we requested of denny in that
Posted by bonitaapplebaum71481, Sun Dec-21-14 01:03 PM
Mongo post a couple weeks back and perhaps shut the fuck about shit she doesn't know since she apparently can't empathize with a very real and present struggle...

that's just an initial suggestion of course... *shrug*


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12681786, I don't disagree
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 01:21 PM
>Mongo post a couple weeks back and perhaps shut the fuck
>about shit she doesn't know since she apparently can't
>empathize with a very real and present struggle...
>
>that's just an initial suggestion of course... *shrug*
>

Some of the things she's posted does suggest an extreme disconnect but If I recall correctly when she chose to "stfu" and remain silent when all racial tension headed in Ferguson, Azealia Banks and company attacked her for not saying anything. She's damned if she does damned if she dosent. One on accord people are like " bitch don't appropriate black culture and then not be about the issues!" When she does its " bitch stfu and stay silent cause you can't relate!" And when and if she does about face and go the pop singer route im willing to bet it's gonna be " bitch it was hip hop/rap and the appropriation of black culture that made you hot, and don't you forget that while you try and move out of a genre that we didn't want you in anyway!"

That girl can't go right, left up or down. Anywho I ain't got all the answers Sway.
12681737, RE: what prompted all this?
Posted by double 0, Sun Dec-21-14 12:18 PM
A series of sneaky @'s

Azaelia gets mad love for interview....

A random fan asks her how she feels about other white rappers @'s action bronson, asher etc..

Action chimes in.. new line of beef starts with Azaelia

ANOTHER random fan @'s Q-tip and solange in the madness with Action

Action says some shit about "this is who you people pick as your civil rights leader"

Q-tip checks him..

decides he will school the youth ...
12681742, RE: what prompted all this?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 12:35 PM
>Action says some shit about "this is who you people pick as
>your civil rights leader"
>
Whoa! Action went there with it? He must have deleted that tweet
12681752, Action never said, "you people"...
Posted by Crash85, Sun Dec-21-14 12:49 PM
No need to paraphrase... the tweets have been posted on multiple sites...
12681756, So what did he actually say?
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 12:54 PM
12681757, Lol i though u read it
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 12:55 PM

____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12681759, what are you talking about?
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 01:00 PM
12681762, Ur in such a frenzy u don't even know who ur replying to
Posted by blkprinceMD05, Sun Dec-21-14 01:03 PM
12681811, LOL
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-21-14 01:45 PM
.
12681826, seriously...lol.
Posted by R A i n, Sun Dec-21-14 02:05 PM
12681882, Lmao. Not surprised either
Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-21-14 04:08 PM
12682095, WHOOOMP THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by SankofaII, Mon Dec-22-14 03:36 AM
12681763, RE: So what did he actually say?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 01:03 PM
@AZEALIABANKS BOOOOO👎👎👎 *PEOPLE THIS IS UR CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST*??? COME ON.
— #BRON2ON (@ActionBronson) December 19, 2014

He deleted it though.

here's a link to the rundown of tweets https://www.thefader.com/2014/12/20/azealia-banks-solange-knowles-q-tip-vs-action-bronson
12681764, pssssh figures he would
Posted by bonitaapplebaum71481, Sun Dec-21-14 01:05 PM

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12681798, Lmao whet?
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 01:35 PM
So basically a fan tweets her inquiring about talented white rappers. Action Bronson jumps the gun telling banks not to mention his name in slanderous manner, which never happened in the first place. Then Banks then proceeds to let out a slew of fat jokes lol? Lmao.
12681766, RE: Action never said, "you people"...
Posted by double 0, Sun Dec-21-14 01:06 PM
you are right.. but im too lazy to read and THAT's what Q-tip thought he said anyway.. lol

he said "BOOOOO👎PEOPLE THIS IS UR CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST*??? COME ON.”
12682033, I came in here to say this
Posted by Mgmt, Sun Dec-21-14 10:39 PM
>No need to paraphrase... the tweets have been posted on
>multiple sites...

Action did not say " you people". I lost respect for q tip for putting those words in Bronson mouth
12682269, who's the civil rights activist for white people?
Posted by infin8, Mon Dec-22-14 11:16 AM
EXACTLY...so even if he didn't EXACTLY say 'you people', the shit was tantamount.
12682298, basically
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 11:29 AM
Bronson deleted that shit because he knew he was in the wrong with that particular tweet
12682860, more likely he deleted it cuz he knew people would willfully misinterpret it.
Posted by Jon, Mon Dec-22-14 11:52 PM
When addressing any multiples of individuals, its a common ass figure of speech that automatically flows out, everyone with sense realizes this, but since SOME folks have also used it in a racial manner, it gets autofuck buzzword status for anyone wanting to pin the tail on donkey.
12683771, RE: more likely he deleted it cuz he knew people would willfully misinterpret it.
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Dec-24-14 06:36 AM
Whatever dude. When civil rights is mentioned, first thing that comes to mind is...The civil rights movement of the 60s. Miss me with that shit.
12682523, Not even close to accurate...
Posted by Crash85, Mon Dec-22-14 02:43 PM
>EXACTLY...so even if he didn't EXACTLY say 'you people', the
>shit was tantamount.


If hella PEOPLE (not just BLACK people) in NY (or where ever) are backing what Banks is saying, then there is nothing wrong with his response... Tip was on some bullshit acting like he can't read... and maybe he can't because he swore that Acton said "you people"...
12682612, okay
Posted by infin8, Mon Dec-22-14 03:32 PM
but nobody needs CIVIL RIGHTS but minorities and gays so he basically IS saying you people. But I'm not here to knock your Koolaid out your hand.

LOL

12682650, okay, player...
Posted by Crash85, Mon Dec-22-14 04:07 PM
>but nobody needs CIVIL RIGHTS but minorities and gays so he
>basically IS saying you people. But I'm not here to knock your
>Koolaid out your hand.
>
>LOL
>
>
12683577, shit was out of line, period.
Posted by SP1200, Tue Dec-23-14 04:37 PM
I'm not sure what's so hard for folks to understand about that.
12681731, Bruh wasting his time. Iggy don't give a damn about no hip hop history
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 12:00 PM
12681740, RE: I really wonder if this shit is starting to hurt her career wise?
Posted by astralblak, Sun Dec-21-14 12:25 PM
Iggy, that is...

i mean no one can take away the hits she had this year, but i wonder if she'll end up on some one hit wonder status faster than we thought
12681744, RE: I really wonder if this shit is starting to hurt her career wise?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 12:36 PM
As long as she got that white dollar, she'll be around longer than I'd like her to be.
12681745, If folks stop wanting to collab and co-sign her, yeah.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sun Dec-21-14 12:37 PM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12681943, Everyone wants to make money...
Posted by ndibs, Sun Dec-21-14 06:17 PM
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12681748, Tough call
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 12:42 PM
>Iggy, that is...
>
>i mean no one can take away the hits she had this year, but i
>wonder if she'll end up on some one hit wonder status faster
>than we thought

The music is pretty much trash but she's white and participating in " black culture caracatire " that white youth love so much. Her being white makes it 10x more appealing to them so they will buy.
12681750, Has she ever had a decent live performance?
Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Sun Dec-21-14 12:44 PM
>>Iggy, that is...
>>
>>i mean no one can take away the hits she had this year, but
>i
>>wonder if she'll end up on some one hit wonder status faster
>>than we thought
>
>The music is pretty much trash but she's white and
>participating in " black culture caracatire " that white youth
>love so much. Her being white makes it 10x more appealing to
>them so they will buy.

I think that, by itself, should do her in.
12681754, None of these pop stars have decent performances
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 12:53 PM
>>>Iggy, that is...
>>>
>>>i mean no one can take away the hits she had this year, but
>>i
>>>wonder if she'll end up on some one hit wonder status
>faster
>>>than we thought
>>
>>The music is pretty much trash but she's white and
>>participating in " black culture caracatire " that white
>youth
>>love so much. Her being white makes it 10x more appealing to
>>them so they will buy.
>
>I think that, by itself, should do her in.
>

Except like Beyonce, away with them all.
12681765, Yup. This is the "rap music" white girls have been waiting for
Posted by blkprinceMD05, Sun Dec-21-14 01:05 PM
12681751, eh, she can just about face and do a Pink.
Posted by R A i n, Sun Dec-21-14 12:47 PM
12681758, ^^^^
Posted by bonitaapplebaum71481, Sun Dec-21-14 12:58 PM
me and my homegirl got a running bet that she's gonna switch genres come this time next year...

bet you they got some demo somewhere of her singing about the Aussie wilderness.



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12682048, Iggy f Colin Haye: Men@Twurk
Posted by Doronmonkflake, Sun Dec-21-14 11:23 PM
12681772, RE: eh, she can just about face and do a Pink.
Posted by double 0, Sun Dec-21-14 01:09 PM
but..

She can't sing... lol She is ONLY a rapper... there is no about face for her to take.. lol
12681777, RE: eh, she can just about face and do a Pink.
Posted by murph71, Sun Dec-21-14 01:12 PM
>but..
>
>She can't sing... lol She is ONLY a rapper... there is no
>about face for her to take.. lol


Yep....the only about face she can pull off is go full blown Pitbull....
12681822, RE: eh, she can just about face and do a Pink.
Posted by double 0, Sun Dec-21-14 02:01 PM
That's already what she tried..

Before Fancy worked she had multiple edm-lite rap records that didn't connect..

She is gonna have a very interesting time moving forward anyway..
12681795, RE: she can't sing...cuz, that's stopped other 'pop' stars from
Posted by R A i n, Sun Dec-21-14 01:30 PM
making it big.
12681825, RE: she can't sing...cuz, that's stopped other 'pop' stars from
Posted by double 0, Sun Dec-21-14 02:03 PM
Again I don't know where some folks get idea that Autotune or melodyne turns someone who cant even sing in the shower into a star..

It doesnt work like that... even these singers with "weaker" voices or folks who cant SANG can sing enough.. sure there are people who just talk through autotune.. but they arent pop stars either..

She can't sing enough..
12681827, I dunno
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 02:08 PM
If Nicki can have pop records hits singing, I'm sure iggy can.
12682313, RE: I dunno
Posted by double 0, Mon Dec-22-14 11:36 AM
Are we gonna forget that Nicki is a product of one of the best performing arts high schools in the country? So much so they made a damn TV Show about it..

FAME..

Nicki can sing she sings live she may not write those records but she can deliver the top line.
12682331, wait
Posted by lfresh, Mon Dec-22-14 11:50 AM
>Are we gonna forget that Nicki is a product of one of the
>best performing arts high schools in the country? So much so
>they made a damn TV Show about it..
>
>FAME..
>
>Nicki can sing she sings live she may not write those records
>but she can deliver the top line.

i thought she wrote?
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12682411, RE: wait
Posted by double 0, Mon Dec-22-14 01:05 PM
She writes all her raps.. that I am for sure.. But pop hooks and pop songs.. nah they are mostly Ester Dean..

Which is weird because her first real record that blew up was Your Love and I'm pretty sure that was just her and Pop Wansel. But ever since super bass Ester has been her go-to for BIG pop records
12682853, Ahhhh
Posted by lfresh, Mon Dec-22-14 11:22 PM
>She writes all her raps.. that I am for sure.. But pop hooks
>and pop songs.. nah they are mostly Ester Dean..
>
>Which is weird because her first real record that blew up was
>Your Love and I'm pretty sure that was just her and Pop
>Wansel. But ever since super bass Ester has been her go-to
>for BIG pop records


Thank you
:)

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12682930, Bruh Nicki Minaj cannot sing.
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 08:18 AM
>Are we gonna forget that Nicki is a product of one of the
>best performing arts high schools in the country? So much so
>they made a damn TV Show about it..
>
>FAME..
>
>Nicki can sing she sings live she may not write those records
>but she can deliver the top line.

Hold a tune long enough for some studio magic to happen... Sure, but so can Future, Cassie and hell even Kim Kardashian can do that but I would hardly call that singing talent.

This is Nicki Minaj " singing" skip to 2:36 ---> http://youtu.be/U9QsB31Wgro

And similarly almost all of her "singing" performances are of low quality. She auditioned for that performing arts school with a singing audition was and rejected, later on auditioned for the acting and was accepted, and rightfully so.

Baby girl can rap and has charisma for days and I'm not taking that away from her at all. But suggesting that she has singing talent is reaching, but I dunno maybe you do think that shit sounds good.

But I say all that, not to drag Nicki M but to suggest that Iggy can have success singing "pop" records because a bunch of other non "singing" artists can and have. It's not uncommon.
12683252, RE: Bruh Nicki Minaj cannot sing.
Posted by double 0, Tue Dec-23-14 12:08 PM
they said pull a Pink.. which she cannot do...

Yes that is a BAD performance.. and she is outta breath as shit.. so there could be contributing factors..

Rihanna pulled back on that over dancing as well.. and when she does she definitely lands her vocals

But ultimately what I am saying is.. if someone is almost tone deaf.. like note is supposed to be in C and they are singin F Sharp.. autotune cannot fix that... But for someone like Nicki who probably slips from C to C Sharp or sits in between the two it won't sound AMAZING live but she can get away with it on record...

and Future nor Thug can be on this convo because they do not have these level of hits.. No Billboard Hot 100 number ones not even top 10's
12683320, No.
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 12:46 PM
>they said pull a Pink.. which she cannot do...
This she can't, but have successful pop records without being able to sing, definitely.


>Yes that is a BAD performance.. and she is outta breath as
>shit.. so there could be contributing factors..

No she can't sing period, I follow her career pretty closely because I am fan, and I have yet to see a performance were shes singing well. With studio magic she sounds decent at best but I would hardly call that singing talent. But if you can show me one performance where she's displaying significant vocal talent, I will shut the entire fuck up. Lol

>Rihanna pulled back on that over dancing as well.. and when
>she does she definitely lands her vocals

Nicki dosent really land her singing vocals regardless of whether she's dancing or not. Or atleast I have yet to hear it.

>But ultimately what I am saying is.. if someone is almost tone
>deaf.. like note is supposed to be in C and they are singin F
>Sharp.. autotune cannot fix that... But for someone like Nicki
>who probably slips from C to C Sharp or sits in between the
>two it won't sound AMAZING live but she can get away with it
>on record...
>
>and Future nor Thug can be on this convo because they do not
>have these level of hits.. No Billboard Hot 100 number ones
>not even top 10's
I guess but you can still have big successful pop records without being able to sing. ( ie Nicki Minaj)
12683370, RE: No.
Posted by double 0, Tue Dec-23-14 01:15 PM
Nicki Minaj's pop smashes may contain her singing top line but they arent "singing pop records". They are pop/rap records with huge choruses and bridges. She has rap verses on all of them (yes the melodic 2nd verse on Starships is a rap verse )

It's literally what Iggy is already doing which is why I started this whole thing off by saying there is no about face for her..

That is the formula..

Edit: The only difference is that every time Nicki has a singing hook it doesn't say featuring Ester Dean.
12681844, jennifer lopez.
Posted by R A i n, Sun Dec-21-14 02:24 PM
12681975, Kate Perry cant sing..
Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Dec-21-14 07:40 PM
She got hits but she cant sing live... its always wful
12682037, Nope. Firework is not an easy song to sing...
Posted by ndibs, Sun Dec-21-14 10:46 PM
>She got hits but she cant sing live... its always wful

12682369, I was finna say Katy can sing. Not SANG but she can sing.
Posted by spades, Mon Dec-22-14 12:32 PM
12682089, Well, that never stopped J.Lo or Drake
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 03:26 AM
>She can't sing

12682319, RE: Well, that never stopped J.Lo or Drake
Posted by double 0, Mon Dec-22-14 11:38 AM
Go peep a J Lo show now... I'd argue she is performing the best that she ever has now.. singing and dancing...

This arguement will get lost anyway in the definition.. I never said these people could SANG.. but they can sing enough..

Drake has literally changed the entire genre of R&b with his singing..
12682435, RE: Well, that never stopped J.Lo or Drake
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 01:21 PM
>Go peep a J Lo show now... I'd argue she is performing the
>best that she ever has now.. singing and dancing...


So you're saying she's improved. Point stands that her lack of singing ability didn't
stop her from doing it.


>This arguement will get lost anyway in the definition.. I
>never said these people could SANG.. but they can sing
>enough..


It really isn't bout the definition. You're saying they can carry a tune. If Iggy can do that,
she can be a "singer" in this era. It really doesn't take much at all.

>Drake has literally changed the entire genre of R&b with his
>singing..


You mean his songwriting.


12683253, RE: Well, that never stopped J.Lo or Drake
Posted by double 0, Tue Dec-23-14 12:10 PM
Agree.. I dont think she can carry a tune...


as for Drake.. nah.. his singing has changed R&B... his cadence his 100% flattening of notes in melodyne so there is no vibrato.. all that
12681782, RE: I really wonder if this shit is starting to hurt her career wise?
Posted by double 0, Sun Dec-21-14 01:18 PM
Her career is not solidified yet..

She has sold A LOT of singles.. but her album isn't gold and the re-release sold 11k first week.

If this stadium tour doesn't do well next year people will be less willing to invest for sure..

but she is dating a Laker and for other obvious reasons she'll stay in the gossip fodder probably longer than she needs to..

So hopefully Skeme can write another shit in that time.. we see "Beg for It didnt" work
12681770, Yup, and with TI propping her up and gasing her she thinks the Blks
Posted by blkprinceMD05, Sun Dec-21-14 01:08 PM
Decrying her are just haters
12681774, TI disappointed me by co-signing her
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 01:11 PM
I understand it's just about the money but damn, draw the line somewhere fam.
12681789, RE: TI disappointed me by co-signing her
Posted by double 0, Sun Dec-21-14 01:25 PM
Man.. what happened to Chipmunk..

he was "signed" to grand hustle at the same time and already had smashes in the UK

12681833, RE: TI disappointed me by co-signing her
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 02:13 PM
>Man.. what happened to Chipmunk..
>
>he was "signed" to grand hustle at the same time and already
>had smashes in the UK
>
>
Unfortunately for him, that british accent won't ever pop in the states
12682050, IDK about this. How do you explain Dana Dane's success and Slick Rick's
Posted by CaptainRook, Sun Dec-21-14 11:30 PM
legendary status in the pantheon of Hip Hop music?

>Unfortunately for him, that british accent won't ever pop in
>the states
12682116, RE: IDK about this. How do you explain Dana Dane's success and Slick Rick's
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 06:56 AM
Wasn't as thick as Chip's. I'm talking on some Dizzee Rascal shit. That ain't popping in the states.
12682130, they was 30 years ago
Posted by deejboram, Mon Dec-22-14 08:04 AM
talk about ppl stuck in the 90s

>legendary status in the pantheon of Hip Hop music?
>
>>Unfortunately for him, that british accent won't ever pop in
>>the states
>
12682842, Looks like you may need a Twitter Hip Hop history lesson, yourself.
Posted by CaptainRook, Mon Dec-22-14 10:32 PM
>talk about ppl stuck in the 90s
>

Both Dana Dane and Slick Rick had their Hey Days in the '80's. But what of it? 30 years from now, La di Da di, A Children's Story, The Show, and Nightmares will STILL be gettin' play. IDK how much anyone can say that about this mess from today.

>>legendary status in the pantheon of Hip Hop music?
>>
>>>Unfortunately for him, that british accent won't ever pop
>in
>>>the states
>>
>
12683553, they get play today because they are carried classics.
Posted by deejboram, Tue Dec-23-14 04:20 PM
if they came out today
they wouldnt get passed OKP level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GluRD7FnJpA

thats the first rap song i ever memorized
that whole album was five mics level



>>talk about ppl stuck in the 90s
>>
>
>Both Dana Dane and Slick Rick had their Hey Days in the '80's.
>But what of it? 30 years from now, La di Da di, A Children's
>Story, The Show, and Nightmares will STILL be gettin' play.
>IDK how much anyone can say that about this mess from today.
>
>>>legendary status in the pantheon of Hip Hop music?
>>>
>>>>Unfortunately for him, that british accent won't ever pop
>>in
>>>>the states
>>>
>>
>
12683643, For whatever reason they get play today, how many of the tracks that
Posted by CaptainRook, Tue Dec-23-14 06:17 PM
come out today, will get play 30 years from now in any revered
fashion or manner?

And I categorically disagree with your assessment, at least in
part, because The Show rocks just as hard today as it did back
in '85.
12683716, That's in your stuck in the 90s mindset.
Posted by deejboram, Tue Dec-23-14 09:12 PM
>come out today, will get play 30 years from now in any
>revered fashion or manner?

do "back that ass up" or "fuck them other
niggas cause i'm down for my niggas" still get the party
crunk today? that shit 15 years old right now. I can easily
see them shits still getting as much burn in 2029 as they do
today.

you realise Gin n Juice is TWENTY YEARS OLD right now and when
it came out The Show and La Di Da Di were already "old
school classics"???



>
>And I categorically disagree with your assessment, at
least in
>part, because The Show rocks just as hard today as it did
back
>in '85.


The Show rocks hard a Paid In Full here in Houston and any
other crowd where the median age is 37
play that shit at a step show and watch the crowd's reaction
but put on "BITCH YOU GUESSIN" or "I GOT BAKIN
SODA, I GOT BAKIN SODA" and see which track gets ALLLLL
the folk out they seats

12683730, AGAIN, these are EIGHTIES tracks, NOT 90's.
Posted by CaptainRook, Tue Dec-23-14 10:14 PM
Edit: Changed 90's to 80's in subject bar.

>>come out today, will get play 30 years from now in any
>>revered fashion or manner?
>
>do "back that ass up" or "fuck them other
niggas cause i'm
>down for my niggas" still get the party crunk today?
that shit
>15 years old right now. I can easily see them shits still
>getting as much burn in 2029 as they do today.
>

IDK cause I was never into that shit too much. I can't say
that I never heard it, but that was around the time when I
began feeling so-called Hip Hop music less and less.

>you realise Gin n Juice is TWENTY YEARS OLD right now and
when
>it came out The Show and La Di Da Di were already
"old school
>classics"???
>

Yep, and as classics they had and have been sampled to death.
Anyone trying to sample any of the shit from the past 10 - 15
years?

>
>
>>
>>And I categorically disagree with your assessment, at
least
>in
>>part, because The Show rocks just as hard today as it
did
>back
>>in '85.
>
>
>The Show rocks hard a Paid In Full here in Houston and any
>other crowd where the median age is 37
>play that shit at a step show and watch the crowd's
reaction
>but put on "BITCH YOU GUESSIN" or "I GOT
BAKIN SODA, I GOT
>BAKIN SODA" and see which track gets ALLLLL the folk
out they
>seats
>

The Show and Paid in Full rocks hard still, because they are
undeniable classics. Them Bullshit trax you mentioned above
are just flavors of the moment, like A-Bay-bay and that
Souljah Boy, Tell 'em garbage.  

When The Show and Paid in Full dropped, everybody who was
around at that time KNEW that this thing called Hip Hop music
had turned a significant corner.  It's been a
LLOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time, since there's been a track or an
album that's had that kind of impact.
12683780, Wait, are you Black???
Posted by deejboram, Wed Dec-24-14 07:44 AM
>>do "back that ass up" or "fuck them
other niggas cause i'm
>>down for my niggas" still get the party crunk
today? 
>
>IDK cause I was never into that shit too much. I can't say
>that I never heard it, but that was around the time when I
>began feeling so-called Hip Hop music less and less.


you never heard Juvenile's "back that ass up"? you a
fine muthafucka girl now back that ass up.
the shit was HUUUUUGE when it dropped

you never heard that No Limit track "fuck them other
niggas cause im down for my niggas"???
unless you never listened to a radio, been to a club/bar or a
family reunion in the last 15 years i'm calling bullshit on
this one.

just admit that Dana Dane and Slick Rick squeezed through the
cracks when hip hop was in its adolescent stages.
now that hip hop is in its "grown and sexy" years,
them british niggas wont get no traction.

just because a Vanessa Williams type got much love in 1985
don't mean her same type will get love in 2015. maybe to your
old self, but these young boys want CAKES!!!




















>


>>you realise Gin n Juice is TWENTY YEARS OLD right now
and
>when
>>it came out The Show and La Di Da Di were already
"old
>school
>>classics"???
>>
>
>Yep, and as classics they had and have been sampled to
death.
>Anyone trying to sample any of the shit from the past 10 -
15
>years?
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>And I categorically disagree with your assessment,
at least
>>in
>>>part, because The Show rocks just as hard today as
it did
>>back
>>>in '85.
>>
>>
>>The Show rocks hard a Paid In Full here in Houston and
any
>>other crowd where the median age is 37
>>play that shit at a step show and watch the crowd's
reaction
>>but put on "BITCH YOU GUESSIN" or "I
GOT BAKIN SODA, I GOT
>>BAKIN SODA" and see which track gets ALLLLL the
folk out
>they
>>seats
>>
>
>The Show and Paid in Full rocks hard still, because they
are
>undeniable classics. Them Bullshit trax you mentioned
above
>are just flavors of the moment, like A-Bay-bay and that
>Souljah Boy, Tell 'em garbage.  
>
>When The Show and Paid in Full dropped, everybody who was
>around at that time KNEW that this thing called Hip Hop
music
>had turned a significant corner.  It's been a
>LLOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time, since there's been a track or an
>album that's had that kind of impact.
>
12683843, Yes I am. The better question is are you Black?
Posted by CaptainRook, Wed Dec-24-14 10:12 AM
>
>you never heard Juvenile's "back that ass up"?
you a fine
>muthafucka girl now back that ass up.
>the shit was HUUUUUGE when it dropped
>
>you never heard that No Limit track "fuck them other
niggas
>cause im down for my niggas"???
>unless you never listened to a radio, been to a club/bar
or a
>family reunion in the last 15 years i'm calling bullshit
on
>this one.
>

I heard all that shit that you mentioned above and it was
alright, but I was beginning to feel so-called Hip Hop music
less and less around that time.  Coming out of the Golden Age,
that shit was less authentic and I began to grow wary of the
monotonous theme and sound that was been spouted by damn near
every so-called Hip Hop artist and was mentally checkin' out
of it.




>just admit that Dana Dane and Slick Rick squeezed through
the
>cracks when hip hop was in its adolescent stages.
>now that hip hop is in its "grown and sexy"
years, them
>british niggas wont get no traction.
>

Wait a minute? Are you sayin' that Slick Rick squeezed
through?  I MAY give you Dana, but Slick Rick? Are you
serious? Next thing you know, you'll be saying that Melle Mel
just happened to "squeeze through" with "The
Message" or that PE, with their whole career,
"squeezed through" or that BDP/KRS just happened to
"squeeze through with their/his contribution(s) or that
Rakim just happened to "squeeze through" with his
lyrical dexterity and display.  How so? Because this shit
that's dropping today is just so unbelievably hot? You can't
be serious.  LMFAO at even the thought of that!!!!


>just because a Vanessa Williams type got much love in 1985
>don't mean her same type will get love in 2015. maybe to
your
>old self, but these young boys want CAKES!!!
>

IDK what this has to do with anything, but Venessa "the
undressa" Williams is a beauty in any generation. She may
not hold the same level of sex appeal because she doesn't have
the thickness that's required for that nowadays to have that
top level sex appeal, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't get
any attention.  Hell, look at Rhianna and all of the attention
that she gets. You think a young Venessa would get no looks?
Hell, she still catches some looks now.

And the thickness model of today for women is not new.  It was
in effect back in the day, it just wasn't popular (just like
Hip Hop). Take a look at all of the love that Bernadette
Stanis, Chaka Khan and Judy Pace among several others, got
back in the day.

And what I stated below, STILL stands.


>>When The Show and Paid in Full dropped, everybody who
was
>>around at that time KNEW that this thing called Hip
Hop
>music
>>had turned a significant corner.  It's been a
>>LLOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time, since there's been a track
or an
>>album that's had that kind of impact.
>>
>
12681853, ^^^^^^^^^^
Posted by J305, Sun Dec-21-14 02:37 PM
12681864, Thank you!
Posted by Atillah Moor, Sun Dec-21-14 03:07 PM
Shit is too true. Fool should know Aussies don't give a fuck.
12681769, Wreckx-N-Effect just gave Tip a lesson too lol
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 01:08 PM

____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12681778, huh?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 01:12 PM
12681781, sarcasm.
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 01:17 PM
but the whole twitter convo was mad childish and Tip and Solange tried to step in like some parents it was annoying. They shouldve just let it die down but everyone kept making it simmer and nothing positive came from the outcome. Waste of time. It wouldve been more interesting if Wreckx-N-Effect chimed in cause they had much to do about it as Tip and Solange did. Hence the joke lol


____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12681784, RE: sarcasm.
Posted by double 0, Sun Dec-21-14 01:19 PM
I dont understand how ALL these people got caught up in @'s from fans though... lol

Like man ya'll were waaaayyyyyy over there..
12681788, lol i know right
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 01:23 PM

____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12681787, RE: sarcasm.
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 01:23 PM
I thought something happened recently when you said just gave him a lesson but on the Iggy topic, they got tagged on Bronson's comment. That's the only reason they responded. Tip did nothing wrong IMO. Educate the young lady. The dumb niggas around her aren't doing it obviously.
12681791, Sorry but its hard to take his "education" serious
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 01:27 PM
when he just put Weezy in the Zulu Nation as if his music/content is far off from Iggy's lol He's using Weezy like T.I. is using Iggy.


____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12681796, RE: Sorry but its hard to take his "education" serious
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 01:32 PM
I didn't take it as him dissing Iggy's music. Just trying to get her to understand white privilege and why Azealia said some of the things she did in that hot 97 interview.
12681797, if that was his point then thats fair i guess.
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 01:34 PM
Again it wouldve been better if he just hit up Tip and her offline. The Twitter way just isnt the move even if you trying to be positive especially the way Bronson and Banks were trolling each other going nowhere...Banks will never win against Bronson on trolling. Its pretty much impossible especially with his fanbase chiming in




____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12681887, meh
Posted by MiracleRic, Sun Dec-21-14 04:13 PM
lol
12681893, Lmao. U dont see a difference between Weezy and iggy ?!
Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-21-14 04:18 PM
I cant tell if this is serious

This what happens when your city has been completely irrelevant to hip hop for decades i guess ..
12681940, Oh. God.
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 06:08 PM
Only on OKP when u compare anything in their head it translate to "identitally the same" lol Le. Sigh.

____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12682015, more deserving of a Zulu Nation membership: Iggy or Weezy?
Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-21-14 09:49 PM
can't believe this needs to be spelled out


actually, yeah I can believe it. I'm talking to an outlier
12681941, Oh. God.
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 06:08 PM

____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12682017, You don't think that's condescending?
Posted by rorschach, Sun Dec-21-14 09:54 PM
It's not like Q-Tip is doing this with all new rappers.....just Iggy.
12682040, RE: You don't think that's condescending?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 10:54 PM
>It's not like Q-Tip is doing this with all new
>rappers.....just Iggy.

All new rappers aren't succeeding on her level due to white privledge either.
12682128, Point taken on white privilege but....
Posted by rorschach, Mon Dec-22-14 08:00 AM
>>It's not like Q-Tip is doing this with all new
>>rappers.....just Iggy.
>
>All new rappers aren't succeeding on her level due to white
>privledge either.

it just seems like there's an equal amount of rappers of all walks that come off like Iggy...and they are successful.
---------------------------------------


---------------------------------------
12682165, RE: Point taken on white privilege but....
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 09:33 AM
>it just seems like there's an equal amount of rappers of all
>walks that come off like Iggy...and they are successful.
>

Who outside of Drake and Macklemore?
12681836, Why is this only addressed to Iggy?
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Dec-21-14 02:14 PM
There are a myriad of younger artists who need this history lesson,
but lately it's the hot thing to do to 'teach Iggy' about the history
of hip-hop and its cultural origins.

At this point everyone seems to be stunting for likes, retweets,
and reposts of long-winded think-pieces about cultural appropriation -
but this seems to me more about inflaming the social media spheres
than a real genuine teaching moment.

-->
12681837, Because she is white so its logical to people lol
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 02:17 PM
but apparently Chief Keef didnt need a lesson lol


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TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12681885, She's a foreigner doing her best southern accent
Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-21-14 04:11 PM
You really dont get why she of all ppl needed this lesson

I guess this what happens when you listen to hip hop completely out of the context it was created
12681939, lol thanks for the lesson
Posted by Heinz, Sun Dec-21-14 06:06 PM
I like you assume u know me or what I listen to lol

But we'll keep pretending she's "on top" as if that is the reason what happened to Drake's lesson he a foreigner with a souther accent lol Cool story bro.



____

TWITTER : Heinz21st

IG : H_N_Z
12682016, totally see why you would bring up Drake up first in this conversation
Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-21-14 09:52 PM
He set the precedent for this minstrel shit


the idea that a fucking foreigner could rap with an adopted accent was unheard of before.



congrats on the success of your city and shit. One wonders why he didn't come out spitting with an emphasis on his Canadian accent. Baffling tbh
12682542, RE: She's a foreigner doing her best southern accent
Posted by Crash85, Mon Dec-22-14 02:55 PM
kinda like Drake...
12681979, see also: WHAT ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME?!
Posted by BlackLex, Sun Dec-21-14 07:54 PM
smh
12682090, LMFAO
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 03:28 AM
12682854, Welp
Posted by lfresh, Mon Dec-22-14 11:25 PM

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12681839, Well because she's at the top as far as popularity goes
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 02:21 PM
and she's not doing the Macklemore "I know I'm getting the accolades because I'm white and it's not fair to the Black artists who are just as good if not better than me" thing.
12681842, She's making trash music that appeals to the masses just like...
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 02:23 PM
90% of the other artists in hip hop are doing. She just happens to be white.
12681843, She's making trash music that appeals to the masses just like...
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 02:23 PM
90% of the other artists in hip hop are doing. She just happens to be white.
12681894, why not?
Posted by MiracleRic, Sun Dec-21-14 04:22 PM
her responses to some of the criticisms is what is really making this a big deal

macklemore handled it way better...

which is why people largely dropped it...eventually

but iggy actually responding is what is continuing to drive this story...

everyone is contributing to the social media mayhem and i largely think this history less is a bit self-important and useless but i'm not mad at it...

there's no way to reasonably combat the bullshit stance that she and others like her take so confidently and defensively...

just be grateful...praise that alabaster skin...take them grammys...and shrug it all the way to the bank

but there are going to be frustrated and upset people who are simply want to be acknowledged...how they do that is unimportant honestly...far less important than the actual fucking humility involved in recognizing just how fucked up and unfair shit is
12681905, 'CISM!!!!!
Posted by ndibs, Sun Dec-21-14 04:49 PM
>There are a myriad of younger artists who need this history
>lesson,
>but lately it's the hot thing to do to 'teach Iggy' about the
>history
>of hip-hop and its cultural origins.
>
>At this point everyone seems to be stunting for likes,
>retweets,
>and reposts of long-winded think-pieces about cultural
>appropriation -
>but this seems to me more about inflaming the social media
>spheres
>than a real genuine teaching moment.
>
>-->
12681841, who cares?
Posted by Ashy Achilles, Sun Dec-21-14 02:23 PM
12681902, "@IGGYAZALEA I've been on twitter a long time and this will probably
Posted by howisya, Sun Dec-21-14 04:38 PM
be my last series of tweets pretty much but"

what's up with that? tip was how i first learned of twitter, as linked through here, circa a swizz beatz album listening party.
12682810, I learned about Twitter from Tip, too, in '07.
Posted by Grand_Royal, Mon Dec-22-14 09:18 PM
I didn't know what it was for, I just wanted info on his upcoming album (The Renaissance). It's come a long way.
12683206, i never thought it would take off like it did
Posted by howisya, Tue Dec-23-14 11:50 AM
i thought it was a cool novelty that a famous person was updating people on his day
12681931, some people only love Hip Hop because it's "cool" to
Posted by atruhead, Sun Dec-21-14 05:47 PM
I cant trust anyone who is dismissive when it comes time to stand up for blackness
12681944, is it still cool?
Posted by howisya, Sun Dec-21-14 06:18 PM
i would argue it's been on a fast track to uncool for a while. pretty much any music i really cared about in my life is uncool to like, but i still love it. public figures still rap, so you can hear rapping on popular songs, but i don't feel like hip-hop is seen as cool anymore by the masses. it's probably cool to middle aged and old people who are behind the times, and it's eternally cool to us music people, but i'm going to have to disagree with hip-hop being widely perceived as cool in 2014.
12681959, "cool" is young people shit
Posted by atruhead, Sun Dec-21-14 07:03 PM
the youth move the direction of hip hop

which is why Hot Nigga ran shit this year
12681966, do they consider it hip-hop?
Posted by howisya, Sun Dec-21-14 07:14 PM
what i'm getting at is more than just the term itself falling out of favor but also a distance from what hip-hop was said to be "about" for most of its existence (as opposed to a particular sound). people rapped on early to mid '90s club/dance songs, but few considered it hip-hop. likewise rage against the machine and some of the later nu-metal bands had rappers instead of singers. some form of rapping is still popular and thus "cool," but i'm not sure a lot of what's popular is still hip-hop. that's why some of the dogpiling on iggy is over the top to me because she is just one of many, albeit someone who doesn't do herself many favors with what she says in her defense.
12681949, Azalea banks needs to stop counting iggy's money
Posted by ndibs, Sun Dec-21-14 06:32 PM
And crying over her success.

A sucessful white rapper come along once decade.

I mean we've had one male and one female (Macklemore and Iggy) since eminem in the mid 90s.

Their making catchy pop songs over hip hop beats for middle anerica is irrelevant to her success.

12681986, RE: Azalea banks needs to stop counting iggy's money
Posted by murph71, Sun Dec-21-14 08:29 PM
>And crying over her success.
>
>A sucessful white rapper come along once decade.
>
>I mean we've had one male and one female (Macklemore and Iggy)
>since eminem in the mid 90s.
>
>Their making catchy pop songs over hip hop beats for middle
>anerica is irrelevant to her success.


If only it were that simple.....
12682014, did the west coast make any contribution to hip hop yet?
Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-21-14 09:48 PM
just curious to hear where your understanding of the subject is at
12681952, of all the rappers, this is who he chooses to give his "lesson" to
Posted by GrumpySmurf, Sun Dec-21-14 06:38 PM
Is this what its come to black folks?
12681965, by giving it to her, hes spraying the masses...not to mention she
Posted by mikediggz, Sun Dec-21-14 07:13 PM
actually really did need it whether it actually sinks in or not. but millions of ppl got schooled by that message.
12681977, no...he was addressing everyone...he started and then said , 'wait, let
Posted by R A i n, Sun Dec-21-14 07:50 PM
me start again'...and then started @ -ing her so THIS way people would actually take heed.
12681983, i wouldn't even give it the time of day if i was her.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Dec-21-14 08:19 PM
12682013, You would've thunk T.I. ( the other Tip)
Posted by EAS, Sun Dec-21-14 09:45 PM
would've schooled her already. We'll see how effective this is in years to come. It's good to see Q-tip staying active and involved.
12682021, ATL Tip 10 years younger than NYC Tip so he wouldn't know the history either
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 10:14 PM
The right Tip schooled her.
12682039, Ti is married to a black woman who just had a blue eyeball transplant
Posted by ndibs, Sun Dec-21-14 10:51 PM
>would've schooled her already. We'll see how effective this
>is in years to come. It's good to see Q-tip staying active
>and involved.

Foh and lol.
12682038, T.I is speaking on it at this moment lol
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 10:49 PM
http://twitter.com/Tip/status/546867306102816769

http://twitter.com/Tip/status/546868206393364480
12682041, Good to see him admit big bruh Tip was right
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Sun Dec-21-14 10:58 PM
Glad they have enough respect for each other not to let some twitter shit come between that.
12682109, T.I trying to protect his cash cow and keep his hood card
Posted by SimplyHannah, Mon Dec-22-14 05:00 AM
At the same time. That's all that is.

Nope. The jig is up.
12682117, RE: T.I trying to protect his cash cow and keep his hood card
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 06:59 AM
That's part of it but him and Tip are cool too.
12682043, why didnt they do this to eminem>?
Posted by Ezzsential, Sun Dec-21-14 11:00 PM

i dont have colors
my mmsic:
www.soundclick.com/sylana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brb8g8f18xE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgNuVHrEKI
12682056, because he's actually talented.
Posted by SimplyHannah, Sun Dec-21-14 11:42 PM
12682134, not only that but hes pretty knowledgeable where hip hop is concerned
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Mon Dec-22-14 08:38 AM
and when he won his first big award he made it a point to thank a long list of emcees who came before him
12682317, Not to mention he IS being himself.
Posted by SimplyHannah, Mon Dec-22-14 11:37 AM
>and when he won his first big award he made it a point to
>thank a long list of emcees who came before him

He raps eloquently about himself, his life, and his truths without doing a black-cent and mimicking what he thinks a rapper is.

That shit is genuine. Iggy ain't and that's why she's getting flamed.
12682342, word to all of that
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Mon Dec-22-14 11:57 AM
12682137, diffferent approach. Em was hip hop before pop.
Posted by double negative, Mon Dec-22-14 08:52 AM
i mean....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5otbXRiacyI
12682053, somebody forward this to Nicki Minaj too
Posted by sixteenstone, Sun Dec-21-14 11:36 PM
12682108, For what purpose?
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 04:39 AM
12682111, maybe if she get's a refresher on the history of hip hop
Posted by sixteenstone, Mon Dec-22-14 05:49 AM
maybe she will stop putting out that garbage she sings and raps and calling it hip hop. She's caricature of it as well.
making it worse, she supposedly has all these emcee skills but she still chose the Katy Perry pop style and cashed out.
12682287, Should someone forward it to Curtis Blow too?
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 11:25 AM
12682309, It's Kurtis...
Posted by ThaAnthology, Mon Dec-22-14 11:34 AM
12682436, True.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 01:22 PM
12682159, Everything!
Posted by Case_One, Mon Dec-22-14 09:31 AM

.
.
.
"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."
12682289, Gonna need specifics...
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 11:25 AM
12682160, Q-Tip wasted an hour of his life
Posted by Case_One, Mon Dec-22-14 09:31 AM

.
.
.
"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."
12682173, As wack as Iggy Az is as a rapper and a person, I'm starting to feel bad for her
Posted by rjc27, Mon Dec-22-14 09:40 AM
ATCQ my fave group ever too, took my love of hiphop to another level, but is she the only one who's pimped the game before? This is getting ridiculous, and guess what Q-Tip... all you just did was HELP HER CAREER MORE YOU FUCKING IDIOT



@rob_starrk
12682236, you really think..
Posted by The3rdOne, Mon Dec-22-14 10:37 AM
Q-Tip's intent was to hurt her career tho??

I don't think he was even remotely mad at her. And even if he was mad at her status or appropriation, I don't think the whole intent of him doing this was to stifle her career.
12682252, that's fair, but why give her the attention at all
Posted by rjc27, Mon Dec-22-14 11:01 AM

@rob_starrk
12682257, oh i agree...
Posted by The3rdOne, Mon Dec-22-14 11:04 AM
12682305, he's trying to enlighten her
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 11:32 AM
She got grammy noms fam. A few tweets from Q-Tip, who a lot of young people don't even know, isn't gaining her any more exposure.
12682404, it's validating her existence to many hiphop heads
Posted by rjc27, Mon Dec-22-14 01:02 PM

@rob_starrk
12682431, RE: it's validating her existence to many hiphop heads
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 01:19 PM
who still won't support her when/if they hear her material.
12683097, in 2014 (I dont think) Q-TIP from a defunct group is
Posted by infin8, Tue Dec-23-14 11:05 AM
who hip-hop heads look to for validation.

12682244, I'm still not sure people understand how the internet works
Posted by bentagain, Mon Dec-22-14 10:48 AM
he's only validating her

and with so many more important issues to focus on too

SMH!
12682248, he wasn't trying to invalidate her tho
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Mon Dec-22-14 10:58 AM
i'm pretty sure he's on the side of feeling like she has the right to exist within the hip hop realm
his approach is a perfect example of NOT trying to tear someone down just bc of their race.
he approached it very diplomatically and i don't see anything wrong with that.

i mean i agree on some who cares about the bitch anyway
i mostly ignore her existence
but q-tip as an elder in this game and a pioneer of hip hop felt it necessary to educate rather than just diss her
and there's no harm in that IMO
and as been stated before it wasn't a private message so
anyone reading who might be in the same boat as iggy also got a few lessons.

edited to add: i don't fk with her and think she's a culture vulture but that doesn't mean qtip was wrong to address her this way. because now she nor her supporters can say she wasn't given the lowdown
12682307, explain how he's validating her?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 11:33 AM
12683594, can you see it yet?
Posted by bentagain, Tue Dec-23-14 04:49 PM
another platinum post on OkayPlayer for a hip-hop icon making comments about Igloo Australia

there's better ways for him to utilize his space
12682341, People are still upset about Grammys? For any reason ever?
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Dec-22-14 11:56 AM
The Grammys are not to be taken seriously. It's a hop skip and a jump from the People's Choice Awards.

Banks fucked up by focusing on that. Grammy doesn't give a shit whether it's Pop or Rap-- she's talking fast over a beat, that's rap to them, lol. Q-Tip should've tweeted his history lesson to the Grammy voting committee.

Regarding Iggy, she should probably know at this point that any response ever is a loss. She is dropping insanely catchy hits in a genre that is predominantly black, so anyone irritated by her will shit on her as often as possible until her star fades. She needs to focus on this tour and her next album. She responded to a far less popular musician, and now she's got her beef tied in with a rap legend. Again, she will never win this cultural appropriation debate. Ever. Simply don't respond. Or, if you do, say "I love hip hop and always have." The end. Do not engage further.

I saw her perform at Made in America Fest too. She puts on a *really* good show. I'm not even a fan, but I was very entertained.
12682348, i agree with all of this.
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Mon Dec-22-14 12:01 PM
people will argue about the fact that grammy's bring more looks and revenue to artists
which is true but if you don't realize by now that the grammy's are rigged then i don't even
know what to tell you.
12682366, The Grammys are taken seriously though
Posted by stattic, Mon Dec-22-14 12:30 PM
They garner lucrative bonuses for artists, and the Grammys have been the most prominent celebration of musical achievement for years. Your comment is akin to dismissing the Oscars as insignificant and not a true marker of cinematic and acting quality. These institutions are part of the problem, and you are essentially telling people to stop worrying about them because they will never recognize the contributions of the real artists in this genre, who just happen to be black and have been repeatedly snubbed by our cultural institutions. Sort of a tone deaf comment, especially when you try to rationalize this oversight with a comment about her stage show.
12682465, thank you.
Posted by R A i n, Mon Dec-22-14 01:39 PM
12682735, HALLELUJAH!!!!!
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 06:14 PM
>They garner lucrative bonuses for artists, and the Grammys
>have been the most prominent celebration of musical
>achievement for years. Your comment is akin to dismissing the
>Oscars as insignificant and not a true marker of cinematic and
>acting quality. These institutions are part of the problem,
>and you are essentially telling people to stop worrying about
>them because they will never recognize the contributions of
>the real artists in this genre, who just happen to be black
>and have been repeatedly snubbed by our cultural institutions.
>Sort of a tone deaf comment, especially when you try to
>rationalize this oversight with a comment about her stage
>show.



Lawd hammercy, lemme just repeat this part:

>you are essentially telling people to stop worrying about
>them because they will never recognize the contributions of
>the real artists in this genre, who just happen to be black
>and have been repeatedly snubbed by our cultural institutions.


12682368, yup....the grammys isn't a
Posted by The3rdOne, Mon Dec-22-14 12:31 PM
'voted by the numbers of the people' institution.

at all.

we are talking voting committees with agendas.
12682405, yes...
Posted by rjc27, Mon Dec-22-14 01:03 PM

@rob_starrk
12682425, RE: People are still upset about Grammys? For any reason ever?
Posted by double 0, Mon Dec-22-14 01:14 PM
Grammy's are still serious enough son.. let's not act like most musicians wouldn't love a Grammy..

Again and people have spoken on this a ton of times and I have spoken to multiple Grammy committee's about this.

Join your local chapter if you qualify. Simple. Join and vote. You can't be mad at "the old white people" voting when you haven't paid your Grammy dues. There are chapters with a bunch of old 80's R&B black people running it to and they ALSO don't know what the newest most legit shit should be to vote for..

Shit MC Lyte was the head of the LA Chapter from 2011-13. This is not some club you can't get in...

So participate.
12682360, Why her?
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Dec-22-14 12:14 PM
Bc she has made comments recently that give the impression that she doesn't know much about HH's history and why a rapper in her position is at times expected to take sides on certain political issues.

I think if Iggy wants to avoid politics she can but she'd do well to understand the context. She can choose not to speak on __ bc she feels it's not her place but she should be careful about the way in which she expresses her desire to remain silent. She shouldn't be unnecessarily flippant or dismissive. She can turn off the braggadocia for a hot minute and be real.
12682372, It probably has a lot to do with her extra layer of appropriation
Posted by stattic, Mon Dec-22-14 12:33 PM

Not only is a white person immediately suspect in a genre created by black artists, but she also assumed a Southern American accent, and she is from Australia. Plus, she previously tried unsuccessfully to be a pop star, so her claim that she has always been dedicated to hip-hop is suspect.
12682386, sure, but
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Dec-22-14 12:45 PM
Banks called her out for remaining silent on the issues driving the recent protests and demonstrations calling for better policing and more equitable treatment in the criminal justice system for all defendants. Iggy's response indicated she doesn't understand why a rapper might be expected to speak on the protests.

Banks probably called homegirl out bc she mad/jealous that Iggy gets by on white privilege while performing relatively poorly. But I don't think that's a main reason why QTip 'educated' her. But maybe.
12682400, She's definitely indignant about it for sure, but I don't
Posted by stattic, Mon Dec-22-14 01:01 PM

think that there would be such a comprehensive attack on her without those other conditions. I mean, not many white rap artists have been political, and I can't remember many catching the flak that Iggy is. Calling her out on her looks and sh*t
12682419, ok
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Dec-22-14 01:10 PM
12682438, No doubt
Posted by stattic, Mon Dec-22-14 01:23 PM
12682374, there's not even a
Posted by The3rdOne, Mon Dec-22-14 12:35 PM
"thanks for your kind introspect, q-tip" and K.I.M.

But you can expect plenty of clapback if/when each time she is fired upon.

To me that speaks massive volumes.
12682397, u guys really dont think this is the action of a condescending dick?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 12:59 PM
This is the douchiest #actually of all time

12682410, you would think that.
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Mon Dec-22-14 01:05 PM
12682447, why is that?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 01:32 PM
12682455, fits in with a lotta other view points you have expressed before
Posted by SHAstayhighalways, Mon Dec-22-14 01:34 PM
12682463, interesting
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 01:38 PM
12682422, i really don't.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Dec-22-14 01:11 PM
12682470, i think its the medium.
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 01:43 PM
If he really wanted to build something with her, that could have been done face to face (or even over the phone) in a setting conducive to positive interaction

Firing off an "Idiots Guide to HipHop" in a public one way Twitter blast seems more like an attempt to shame than build
12682483, her responses happened on Twitter, so he addressed them
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Dec-22-14 01:59 PM
on Twitter, publicly.

>If he really wanted to build something with her, that could
>have been done face to face (or even over the phone) in a
>setting conducive to positive interaction

i dunno that he hasn't also reached out to her privately for a person-to-person chat of some sort.

>Firing off an "Idiots Guide to HipHop" in a public one way
>Twitter blast seems more like an attempt to shame than build

if he really wanted to shame her he would've done so w/different language. the man is a professional wordsmith - he knows what he's doing when it comes to that kind of biz. if he wanted to shame her he could've chosen more fiery diction. he didn't - and that's b/c i don't think he wanted to shame her.
12682433, I think you're the only one that thinks that
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 01:20 PM
12682434, RE: u guys really dont think this is the action of a condescending dick?
Posted by double 0, Mon Dec-22-14 01:21 PM
No...

Elder statesman in the past of just been defensive and dismissive.. Talked some shit called it wack and did nothing else..

He is attempting to let her know this isn't a personal attack. That when people are mad it's deeper than just "I hate that bitch"

12682452, sometimes, but not every time
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 01:33 PM

> That when people are mad it's deeper than just "I hate that
>bitch"
>
>
12682454, it's on you to prove this
Posted by atruhead, Mon Dec-22-14 01:34 PM
show where he came off as condescending
12682461, you want me to prove that i think something?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 01:38 PM
The whole thing just came off wankish to me

If not you, great

I was just asking if anyone else felt the same way, im not trying to convince anyone of anything
12682468, no. i wanted you to flesh out your stated idea
Posted by atruhead, Mon Dec-22-14 01:43 PM
no worries though
12682476, well i just sort of did in 165
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 01:50 PM
This type of thing isnt conducive to building, its just lecturing

And doing it on twitter makes it look like grandstanding

12682460, Nope! fuck Igloo
Posted by Brother Rabbit, Mon Dec-22-14 01:37 PM
12682498, i really wish you were 1/3rd as intellectually honest and
Posted by astralblak, Mon Dec-22-14 02:15 PM
committed to issues of race, class, and culture

as you are when the pendulum swings through idiocy against science and medicine on these boards

and like others have said no, Tip does not come off like a condescending dick, at all, #actually.
12682528, for one, i dont see a point in just cosigning everything
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 02:47 PM
The OKP consensus about race and class and their relation to power in America is pretty much congruous with my own. If i am posting something contrarian its because ive taken issue with a specific detail (like ppl telling their kids that their white friends *will* bounce on them in tough times), or i dont think the poster im replying to is looking at things from more than one perspective. That other perspective may not even be one i agree with, and if thats intellectually dishonest to you, youre probably right to some degree. I can say with 100% certainty that if i were involved in a race and class discussion on a message board full of WASPs "intellectually dishonest" would be the nicest thing i would get called.

For another, my comments in posts like this tend to relate to the principals involved in them. For me, thats Q Tip, Iggy, and Twitter. Please understand that if im not posting about this situation through a race and class lens, its intentionally so because im focusing on choices made by the principals.

I hope you understand that i dont care if im seen here as being willfully ignorant of the effects of race and class on society, because i grew up with them all around me and im comfortable with who i am as a person. I only replied to you because i consistently really enjoy your posting.
12682834, i can respect this reply
Posted by astralblak, Mon Dec-22-14 10:14 PM
n/m
12682856, Its not about consigning everything
Posted by lfresh, Mon Dec-22-14 11:42 PM
>The OKP consensus about race and class and their relation to
>power in America is pretty much congruous with my own. If i
>am posting something contrarian its because ive taken issue
>with a specific detail (like ppl telling their kids that their
>white friends *will* bounce on them in tough times)

That was questionable as well


or i dont
>think the poster im replying to is looking at things from more
>than one perspective. That other perspective may not even be
>one i agree with, and if thats intellectually dishonest to
>you, youre probably right to some degree.

At least you acknowledge it

I can say with 100%
>certainty that if i were involved in a race and class
>discussion on a message board full of WASPs "intellectually
>dishonest" would be the nicest thing i would get called.

Your point?
Oh your only but so brainwashed and stuck in a particular pov?
Oh goody for you?

>For another, my comments in posts like this tend to relate to
>the principals involved in them. For me, thats Q Tip, Iggy,
>and Twitter. Please understand that if im not posting about
>this situation through a race and class lens, its
>intentionally so because im focusing on choices made by the
>principals.

"...I prefer to post in a bubble?"


>I hope you understand that i dont care if im seen here as
>being willfully ignorant of the effects of race and class on
>society, because i grew up with them all around me and im
>comfortable with who i am as a person. I only replied to you
>because i consistently really enjoy your posting.

We can tell you don't care
Hence your consistently questionable replies
Bigots tend to be comfortable in their views as well
Not sure what the point of that part of your statement statement was except to ground yourself in your willful ignorance by claiming some off board knowledge
It doesn't work like that on here.


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12682867, RE: Its not about consigning everything
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Dec-23-14 12:33 AM

>That was questionable as well

If you mean its questionable that someone wpuld say that, i agree with you. If you are referring to my response to it, im not sure what to tell you. SoWhat's reaction to it was almost exactly the same as mine, so there were other rational people with the same feelings.

>Your point?
>Oh your only but so brainwashed and stuck in a particular
>pov?
>Oh goody for you?

What? My "brainwashed" POV is a complete unknown to you. I know this because I've never bothered to explain any of it to you, and have no plans to.

>"...I prefer to post in a bubble?"

Thats one interpretation i suppose. I would say im more interested in the choices people make.

>We can tell you don't care
>Hence your consistently questionable replies

You keep using this word and i think you should just say what you mean so i can laugh it it.

>Bigots tend to be comfortable in their views as well

Getting closer!

>Not sure what the point of that part of your statement
>statement was except to ground yourself in your willful
>ignorance by claiming some off board knowledge
>It doesn't work like that on here.

The point of that statement is that if you want to call me racist, or even funnier, actually think i *am* racist...ok, whatever. We both know that what you actually know about me could fit comfortably into the space between bonded atoms.
12683312, RE: Its not about consigning everything
Posted by lfresh, Tue Dec-23-14 12:40 PM
>
>>That was questionable as well
>
>If you mean its questionable that someone wpuld say that, i
>agree with you. If you are referring to my response to it, im
>not sure what to tell you. SoWhat's reaction to it was almost
>exactly the same as mine, so there were other rational people
>with the same feelings.

no i meant that your and his approach which clearly meant living in a racial bubble and not addressing any history or current reality ie a racially blind approach...

is quite questionable


>>Your point?
>>Oh your only but so brainwashed and stuck in a particular
>>pov?
>>Oh goody for you?
>
>What? My "brainwashed" POV is a complete unknown to you. I
>know this because I've never bothered to explain any of it to
>you, and have no plans to.
>
>>"...I prefer to post in a bubble?"
>
>Thats one interpretation i suppose. I would say im more
>interested in the choices people make.


>>We can tell you don't care
>>Hence your consistently questionable replies
>
>You keep using this word and i think you should just say what
>you mean so i can laugh it it.

i just did


>>Bigots tend to be comfortable in their views as well
>
>Getting closer!
>
>>Not sure what the point of that part of your statement
>>statement was except to ground yourself in your willful
>>ignorance by claiming some off board knowledge
>>It doesn't work like that on here.
>
>The point of that statement is that if you want to call me
>racist, or even funnier, actually think i *am* racist...ok,
>whatever. We both know that what you actually know about me
>could fit comfortably into the space between bonded atoms.

we do?
hey you type it for yourself
this isnt me doing this to you
you are consistent in what you do to yourself on here
and no your 'but i have black friends and have black friends with experience' off here approach?
not working
whats next you have a black wife?

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12683638, LMAO merry christmas!
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Dec-23-14 06:02 PM
12682755, RE: u guys really dont think this is the action of a condescending dick?
Posted by murph71, Mon Dec-22-14 06:48 PM
>This is the douchiest #actually of all time



Nah...only a condescending douche would think that....
12682829, lol
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Dec-22-14 09:58 PM
12682457, on the Grammy's...everyone says they ain't shit UNTIL they win one...
Posted by R A i n, Mon Dec-22-14 01:35 PM
then the FIRST thing on their bio is GRAMMY AWARD WINNING ARTIST...so let's just stop pretending it's not 'important' to these artists.
12682734, I'm sayin tho...
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Mon Dec-22-14 06:10 PM
>then the FIRST thing on their bio is GRAMMY AWARD WINNING
>ARTIST...so let's just stop pretending it's not 'important' to
>these artists.


People on THESE VERY BOARDS will even use it in a discussion about who's the better
artist or why someone has a better catalog. Negros acting like they aren't addicted
to white validation, LOL. So transparent.
12682475, Lets review
Posted by ShinobiShaw, Mon Dec-22-14 01:49 PM
-Iggy does not give a shit, stop trying.

-Qtip Had good intentions but he is absolutely wasting his time.

Any thoughts you guys have outside of this is just your own personal horeshit getting involved in this situation. Again
Iggy doesnt care
Qtip cares but should of kept it moving.
12682487, iggy does have 3.57 mill followers, tho
Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Mon Dec-22-14 02:04 PM

if a handful of folks (be they blk, white, whatever) learn anything at all from what q-tip laid down - it was worth it, imo
12682500, RE: Lets review
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Mon Dec-22-14 02:15 PM
I honestly think Iggy does care. That's why she's silent right now IMO. She's young and doesn't know what to say. This is the first time somebody addressed her in this manner. It's usually somebody attacking her which makes it easier to respond.
12682731, ^^^^^^^^^
Posted by ChampD1012, Mon Dec-22-14 06:01 PM
12682947, I was wrong. She doesn't care. Which is cool
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Dec-23-14 09:19 AM
Not everybody has to care.
12682819, Yeah it almost comes as patronizing
Posted by Grand_Royal, Mon Dec-22-14 09:41 PM
She didn't ask for a lesson and she's not gonna admit that she doesn't know anything about hip-hop history. She very well could be knowledgeable about the music and still chooses to make crappy Music.
12682745, This reminds me of the early 90's
Posted by DJ Wade-O, Mon Dec-22-14 06:22 PM
The Boom bap 90 BPM real hip hop vs. The Bady Boy Shiny suit stuff.

This just has the added layer of race in it. I'm not a fan of Iggy, but she is hip hop. She should, however know the history and she should have respect for it.

Is it a bit corny for her to just say hey I'm gonna do what these folks in Atlanta are doing and really contribute her own unique contribution artistically? Yes. But let's be real....Sugar Hill Gang did the same thing. They copied the real rappers from The Bronx, right down to stealing rhymes. This ain't nothing new.

Download my new mixtape featuring Lecrae, Andy Mineo, Christon Gray and more. Positive Hip Hop: http://www.noistrade.com/wadeoradio
12682836, Lupe Fiasco weighs in
Posted by SimplyHannah, Mon Dec-22-14 10:16 PM

http://twitter.com/LupeFiasco/status/547220293517713408

http://twitter.com/LupeFiasco/status/547223384820445184
12682857, RE: Lupe Fiasco weighs in
Posted by double 0, Mon Dec-22-14 11:45 PM
I'm convinced a good amount of his followers exist just to antagonize him
12682862, RE: Lupe Fiasco weighs in
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Dec-23-14 12:07 AM
He loves egging them on too
12683233, RE: Lupe Fiasco weighs in
Posted by double 0, Tue Dec-23-14 12:01 PM
I haven't asked him but I wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to do anything in his power to get these people to unfollow him..

It's hard to have a convo with your supposed fans when there is an entire subset that will take anything you say or not say and turn it into something else
12682913, Lmao. Lupe actin' out while his PR team on xmas vacay.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Tue Dec-23-14 07:00 AM
12682866, she said Q-Tip was patronizing...welp...good bye hip hop in the history
Posted by R A i n, Tue Dec-23-14 12:30 AM
books you will be blackboard erased like the rest of your musical ancestors.
12682872, lol Iggy is not that powerful
Posted by Jon, Tue Dec-23-14 12:55 AM
12682895, you really think those were HER thoughts/words all these hours later? k.
Posted by R A i n, Tue Dec-23-14 03:30 AM
12682873, Man I told you guys, she don't give a fuck.
Posted by ShinobiShaw, Tue Dec-23-14 12:59 AM
Wasting of time on epic right now.

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12682920, She basically said fuck him and I ain't playing hip hop squares with yall!
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 07:52 AM
Cause yall dont know me and im finna have a merry Christmas, fuck yall!

BUT I think many young (black) artists similarly making the same kinda trash music probably feel the same exact way and don't give a fuck either.
12682927, i kind of like the fuck it attitude....is that not hip hop lol
Posted by CherNic, Tue Dec-23-14 08:12 AM
Not even trolling, but WHY is she such a catalyst for ire? If you don't like her music don't buy it don't listen to it. (Btw don't agree she's specifically sayin fuck Qtip)

Basically Black people are mad b/c not only are our "talented" artists struggling (I out talented in quotes b/c I don't listen to Banks to know if she's good or not) but we're mad at white people for buying a white girl's pop/rap albums....what the fuck is the point

What do folks want her to do enroll at Howard? Does Iggy come off entitled, yes, but can that same argument not be made for Banks acting like she's the gatekeeper of the 4 tenents and how the've evolved?

AND when's the last time anybody in MMG or on YM saluted the pioneers? This is ridiculous lmao
12682937, Lol I dunno what they want that girl to do.
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 08:39 AM
>Not even trolling, but WHY is she such a catalyst for ire? If
>you don't like her music don't buy it don't listen to it. (Btw
>don't agree she's specifically sayin fuck Qtip

Maybe not but she damn sure dosent give af about what he's saying and lumped him in with the masses that are finger wagging her about what they think she dosent know.

>Basically Black people are mad b/c not only are our "talented"
>artists struggling (I out talented in quotes b/c I don't
>listen to Banks to know if she's good or not) but we're mad at
>white people for buying a white girl's pop/rap albums....what
>the fuck is the point

Yea I dunno what they want her to do cause black ppl damn sure arent the ones buying her music and enabling this.


>What do folks want her to do enroll at Howard? Does Iggy come
>off entitled, yes, but can that same argument not be made for
>Banks acting like she's the gatekeeper of the 4 tenents and
>how the've evolved?

The same exact argument can be applied to any 23-24 year old who thinks they have the world figured out. That's just how ppl in this age group act lol she just happens to be a white one.

>AND when's the last time anybody in MMG or on YM saluted the
>pioneers? This is ridiculous lmao

They kinda don't and that's the root issue here. A lot of our own artists don't even awknowledge or care about the pioneers but we expect others too, and get upset when they don't?

Iggy just making the same kinda trash music that Young Thug and all dem making and T.I saw an opportunity to capitalize off her whiteness her doing so. Are there other young black talented artists making quality music that he could have tried to give a platform to...sure, but he didn't cause he dosent give a fuck about the state of hip hop either. He cosigning Iggy and jumping on tracks with trashy artists like Young Thug too for the $$$$.

They asked this nigga Young Thug what he thought about Ferguson and he said " uh right now we iced out getting money out here, and that's what we doing." Lmao
12682951, right? LOL
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Dec-23-14 09:27 AM
i dig her attitude in response to this drama too. and i agree it's pretty HH of her. LOL

>Not even trolling, but WHY is she such a catalyst for ire? If
>you don't like her music don't buy it don't listen to it. (Btw
>don't agree she's specifically sayin fuck Qtip)

here, here!

>Basically Black people are mad b/c not only are our "talented"
>artists struggling (I out talented in quotes b/c I don't
>listen to Banks to know if she's good or not) but we're mad at
>white people for buying a white girl's pop/rap albums....what
>the fuck is the point

hello.

>What do folks want her to do enroll at Howard? Does Iggy come
>off entitled, yes, but can that same argument not be made for
>Banks acting like she's the gatekeeper of the 4 tenents and
>how the've evolved?

oops.

>AND when's the last time anybody in MMG or on YM saluted the
>pioneers? This is ridiculous lmao

i mean, really.
12682953, RE: i kind of like the fuck it attitude....is that not hip hop lol
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Dec-23-14 09:28 AM
>AND when's the last time anybody in MMG or on YM saluted the
>pioneers? This is ridiculous lmao

This tells me that you aren't listening to the music or the interviews. Rozay throws little lines in there to let you know he knows all the time. Of course its surrounded by a bunch of BS but its there. Wale shouts em out and Stalley had De La on his album. I don't listen to Meek so I can't speak on him.
12682984, Nick you just named the 3 Black friends you have
Posted by CherNic, Tue Dec-23-14 10:03 AM
12682990, RE: Nick you just named the 3 Black friends you have
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Dec-23-14 10:10 AM
I'm Black so I'm not understanding your joke. Sorry
12682999, Lol okay dense Danny
Posted by CherNic, Tue Dec-23-14 10:16 AM
12683268, RE: i kind of like the fuck it attitude....is that not hip hop lol
Posted by double 0, Tue Dec-23-14 12:13 PM
umm yea

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/interviews/id.1847/title.erick-sermon-details-his-history-with-rick-ross-says-he-coulda-had-biggie-and-reveals-epmd-is-done-making-new-music
12682885, The real Igloo Spears before the fake southern accent: (link)
Posted by sixteenstone, Tue Dec-23-14 02:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IosP8iSnwNk

I guess when it didn't work out she studied Da Brat's "Funkdafied" and switched gears.
12682888, oh and never forget
Posted by sixteenstone, Tue Dec-23-14 02:40 AM
her debut where she uses a young black boy as a prop as well as two teen girls while she repeats "pussy" and promotes drugs shirts.

And sidenote I have just as much hate in my heart for lil wayne, nicki, rick ross, and any other trash rapping about the same shit.
12682890, Not really.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 02:44 AM
People have gone out of their way to fudge the timeline in order to power their agenda against Iggy, but this video was not made *before* she became a rapper.

She had already put out "Pu$$y" and other shit with her southern rap accent but when it was not catching on, she went to Europe and tried some other shit for a while before coming back and continuing with her rap shit.

Your mileage may vary on whether or not that makes her any less of an "inauthentic" trend-hopping phony but at least it has the simple benefit of being truth.
12682893, don't let double ok see this.
Posted by R A i n, Tue Dec-23-14 03:27 AM
12683226, RE: don't let double ok see this.
Posted by double 0, Tue Dec-23-14 11:57 AM
lol..

I've already seen this.. What AFKAP says is what it is..

Iggy is a pretty precarious success story.. up until like February of this year it almost didnt happen.. The label had no clue where she would land when they dropped the album.. They barely paid for videos, promo any of that

The real power behind all of this is Sarah Stennett and turn first. They were able to right the ship after the Grand Hustle thing kinda went south. The smartest thing they did was build a real base in the UK so that if America never took off at least she would have an ability to scale overseas and try again the next album (see their other artist Rita Ora).

But Fancy worked.. so here we are

12682886, I (mostly) agree with cgonz00cc.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 02:37 AM
It *was* pretty condescending but I wouldn't say it's "douchey" per se because I'm sure Tip meant it from a sincere place.

(Perhaps the biggest problem is the fact that this "Hip-Hop History Lesson" everybody's raving about was factually incorrect and agenda-fueled.)

As much as I hate to have to agree with Iggy, it WAS patronizing, and I really wish Q-Tip would not have done that (while at the same time I'm amazing he spent all that time breaking it down into 140-word chunks)
12682896, please explain. how is it factually incorrect?
Posted by R A i n, Tue Dec-23-14 03:35 AM
.
12682928, The notion that hip-hop's roots are in activism/black struggle.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 08:12 AM
I mean, you could class it as "black struggle" in the sense that one could loosely define all black expression in America as being a reaction to oppression... but the earliest hip-hop was about partying and snorting coke. Cats were literally rapping about nothing... rapping about the shoes they wore, how many chicks they banged, what sports team they liked.

It was pretty empty textually... much like Iggy's music.

It wasn't until "The Message" that hip-hop started showing awareness of its social surroundings... and not until the late 80s that it self-consciously styled itself as an instrument for the struggle.
12682955, you mean you agree w/kelving-bammer...
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Dec-23-14 09:28 AM
the ranting of an unmedicated lunatic.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2913968&mesg_id=2913968&page=
12682992, Funny... I just saw that post after I made my reply too
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 10:11 AM
He's right, though.

"The Message" (1982) is acclaimed as the first socially-conscious hip-hop record, though there were a couple that came before it like Brother D's "How We Gonna Make The Black Nation Rise" (1980)

http://youtu.be/S-HQR2-s1J4

But most hip-hop before that was really about vacuous partying and all-American consumerism and consumption. I mean... it's not by accident by so many rappers had words like "Blow" and "Ski" in their names...
12683055, but there wasn't that much hip hop before The Message
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-23-14 10:44 AM
Double Dutch Bus, Planet Rock, Egyptian Lover, etc...

The Message changed all of that.

It's like running around telling everyone Rosa Parks wasn't the first woman to NOT move from her seat. While true, it's just not that big of a deal when you look at the big picture.

If we stayed on that hippity, hop, bop, da diggity beat, style of rap... who the hell knows if rap would still be around.

12683066, There were parties, though. And there were tapes of parties.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 10:54 AM
And there were also a lot more vinyl releases than you are assuming.

And it's not like after The Message most hip-hop immediately became devoted to "the black struggle" either.
12683124, I'm old bruh, i was born before hip hop was birthed
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-23-14 11:19 AM
I was the 9 year old kid standing by the DJ nagging him to play Egyptian Lover 3 times in a row.

Part of the problem with hip hop history is people who weren't alive at the time keep trying to tell US what it felt like or how these songs were received when they dropped.

When The Message came out and people recited the lyrics it was a totally different "message" than anything we had every heard before.

12683195, I was very much there too, thank you very much.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 11:45 AM
>Part of the problem with hip hop history is people who weren't
>alive at the time keep trying to tell US what it felt like or
>how these songs were received when they dropped.

Please do not mistake me for one of these youngbloods.
12683067, Wait... what does "ski" allude to?
Posted by 8-bit, Tue Dec-23-14 10:55 AM
>I mean... it's
>not by accident by so many rappers had words like "Blow" and
>"Ski" in their names...


I've never heard anyone use that as a term, and don't really know any og cokeheads so out in the dark here. My guess is "ski > snow > coke"
12683092, Correct, sir.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 11:03 AM
>My guess is
>"ski > snow > coke"
12683750, Wow! All these years and I never knew that.
Posted by The Wordsmith, Wed Dec-24-14 12:14 AM
Since 1976
12683844, "Cousin had me laced out SKIED all outta my face"
Posted by 13Rose, Wed Dec-24-14 10:12 AM
(c) Raekwon

Cats that are from the early 80s know that term SKI very well.
12683134, so?
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Dec-23-14 11:22 AM
as i said over there, 1982's 'The Message' is rightly included as a seminal record in HH's origin. b/c in 1982 HH was still developing. it was still originating.

plus, as was pointed out over there, at those parties the DJs DID play records w/deeper meanings than let's get high and dance and fuck (like Last Poets records) alongside those party records you're referencing.
12683165, exactly... HH wasn't defined back in the late 70's early 80's
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-23-14 11:34 AM
I was alive and aware when these records dropped and we had no idea what the hell was going on but we loved every minute of it.

When we heard The Message and learned the lyrics the energy was different from Double Dutch or Planet Rock.

12683203, The Last Poets have been retroactively assimilated
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 11:49 AM
into hip-hop's canon.

But the Poets were not a part of hip-hop, nor were their records that influential on the development of hip-hop at the outset.

Well... that's not completely true. Their political "Last Poets" records were not, but what WAS was a side project recorded under the name Lightnin' Rod

http://youtu.be/itzy_oKniZc?list=PLQbTvJF4wIpyjer3Dr7GGNbOC8IKfVzPr

Now THAT was a cornerstone of early hip-hop
12683269, so i guess ppl who were @ those parties and heard those LP
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Dec-23-14 12:13 PM
records played are wrong?

and you were at all of the parties and heard every record played so you're in a position to say what was what.

right on.

still, Tip is right in what he said to Iggy. HH has social commentary at its origin. if he indicated that HH's original stuff was ALL the way social commentary then he was off. but if he indicated that it was in part social commentary then i agree based on what i've heard and seen from ppl who were there at the time.

12683270, I've not heard about those records being played at parties
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 12:14 PM
but of course I don't claim to know everything, and am open to being schooled.

Could you point me to any such recorded testimony?
12683282, yes, i can.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Dec-23-14 12:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqKhgY

^ my main point all along has been that this record from 1982 is a part of HH's origin b/c HH's origin didn't end in 1977/8/9.

the record is widely cited as seminal. i remember hearing it and how awesome it was. it was one of the first examples of HH i remember hearing.

the idea to put some social commentary in a rap came from somewhere. i would be shocked if this studio recording was the first time in world history that anyone had rapped socio-politics over a beat. especially since as far as i know most raps back then started out as shit MCs would rap over breaks at a party. to me this says some MC or MCs likely rapped this kind of shit over breaks at a party. but maybe that didn't happen. maybe this collection of MCs was divinely inspired and came up w/this idea to get political over a beat basically out of a vacuum. even if that happened i'd still agree w/what Tip said to Iggy based solely on this here record. b/c 1982 is still HH's origin.
12683305, Awwww... come on, man.
Posted by AFKAP_of_Darkness, Tue Dec-23-14 12:37 PM
I've already addressed what an anomaly "The Message" was... even AFTER 1982.

But I don't think there's any need for us to argue about it. Let's just table it,
12683307, fine w/me.
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Dec-23-14 12:38 PM
12682918, It has been fascinating to watch this play out. So many ASSumptions
Posted by CherNic, Tue Dec-23-14 07:40 AM
12683347, yeah i dont thk ANY one coulda seen all this coming lol
Posted by mikediggz, Tue Dec-23-14 01:02 PM
truth is truly stranger than fiction
12682998, if i was her i would laugh in that nigga face
Posted by ambient1, Tue Dec-23-14 10:15 AM
12683042, seriously
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Dec-23-14 10:39 AM
12683010, Meanwhile in La la land iggy doesnt give a fuck like someone said
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Dec-23-14 10:25 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2308242-nick-swaggy-p-young-gets-1962-impala-for-christmas-from-iggy-azalea

12683044, godDAMN. That thing is fuckin TOUGH.
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Dec-23-14 10:40 AM
12683048, RE: Meanwhile in La la land iggy doesnt give a fuck like someone said
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Dec-23-14 10:42 AM
that's dope. he better come correct with her gift
12683081, THATS how you get a ring, ladies
Posted by Binlahab, Tue Dec-23-14 10:58 AM
gatdamn! that shit right there...#winner


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg
12683183, by buying niggas cars?
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 11:40 AM
And other material things? You mean the same material things that women get chastised for when favoring men who gift them these things instead of the caring goofy ass nigga the friend zone?

Got damn I been doing this dating thing wrong.
12683190, RE: by buying niggas cars?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Dec-23-14 11:44 AM
>And other material things? You mean the same material things
>that women get chastised for when favoring men who gift them
>these things instead of the caring goofy ass nigga the friend
>zone?
>
>Got damn I been doing this dating thing wrong.

Yep. 2014. We want material thangs too.
12683321, And ain't nothin wrong with that.
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 12:48 PM
12683245, its called loyalty. its called being down for the team
Posted by Binlahab, Tue Dec-23-14 12:05 PM
invest in a brother & he will pay dividends

women feel like they should be the ones getting all the goods, no maam


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg
12683293, Not really
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 12:26 PM
>invest in a brother & he will pay dividends
>
>women feel like they should be the ones getting all the goods,
>no maam

well atleast I don't feel that way, but I can only speak for myself
12683528, yall want the same pay
Posted by GrumpySmurf, Tue Dec-23-14 03:46 PM
12683778, Lol @ a car being a symbol of loyalty.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Dec-24-14 07:27 AM
Being there when the dude is broke is loyalty.
Waking up when you're tired to hear his concerns is loyalty.
Buyin a rich nigga a car because you got money to blow is just blowing money.
12683265, by buying him ANYTHING
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-23-14 12:12 PM
open up your purse you cheap ass woman. LOL...

12683271, to me its like give me the same access to your money
Posted by Binlahab, Tue Dec-23-14 12:14 PM
that you want to mine

iggy came off some bread for this, im sure he's breaking her off just as right...thats called wifey, neither of us leaning we can be each others crutches


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg
12683302, How am I cheap?
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 12:36 PM
I like nice things and will buy nice things for my "him" if we are on that level. I will buy that playstation 4 or them new jorns boo, no prollem.

I don't know where yall be getting all these assumptions from.

But the point I was really making is that niggas love calling women gold diggers and opportunist for liking men that buy them nice things, meanwhile they want the same shit too. And theres nothing wrong with that, on either side.
12683342, it was a joke...
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-23-14 01:00 PM
just like you know buying a car doesn't equal a ring.

12683357, No
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 01:05 PM
I'm trying to get my Deejboram on right now so fight me.

Ain't no trucing in here nigglet.
12683518, because you floss about how you dont pay to be in Sections
Posted by deejboram, Tue Dec-23-14 03:38 PM
and how niggas buy you drinks in the club

you just want to be caked
you dont want to pull 60hrs weeks to buy that Louie clutch
you want some random nigga who live in atlanta to cop for you
12683634, Lol nigga you asked me a question and I answered it.
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 05:55 PM
>and how niggas buy you drinks in the club

I'd hardly call that flossing or floss worthy lol now if I find a nigga to buy some red bottoms or some shit like that then I might have to say some shit.

>you just want to be caked
>you dont want to pull 60hrs weeks to buy that Louie clutch
>you want some random nigga who live in atlanta to cop for you


No not really I don't mind working 60 hr weeks, at the job that I rightfully DESERVE, which ain't at the post office. Tis all.
12683561, pats you on head
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-23-14 04:26 PM
*cuz I know your weave itches*
12683631, Thanks, I've been trying to find a person for that
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 05:48 PM
Cause a queen shouldnt have to trouble herself with such trivial tasks. Glad you could be of service.
12683632, haha hell yeah. where have i been?
Posted by illegal, Tue Dec-23-14 05:52 PM
kitty likes to scratch!
12683773, lmao
Posted by blkprinceMD05, Wed Dec-24-14 06:54 AM
12683635, REPLY OF THE YEAR
Posted by SeV, Tue Dec-23-14 05:57 PM
Im dyin


but im banned tho.
____________

Dallas Cavericks LETS GO!!
12683641, Don't you even dare start
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 06:08 PM
12683592, lol
Posted by SP1200, Tue Dec-23-14 04:47 PM
>I'm trying to get my Deejboram on right now so fight me.
>
>Ain't no trucing in here nigglet.
12683779, lmao
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Dec-24-14 07:28 AM
>I'm trying to get my Deejboram on right now so fight me.
>
>Ain't no trucing in here nigglet.
12683777, Yea, mfkas trippin in here.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Dec-24-14 07:23 AM
12683332, o...her "real" friends
Posted by lfresh, Tue Dec-23-14 12:55 PM
that she has to bribe


okay
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
12683366, lmao, meanwhile
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 01:12 PM
http://twitter.com/IGGYAZALEA/status/547195906802454528

Well all kno what that means.

Nick Young out there making rounds with his side chick(s), in that car that Iggy just bought him, but im sleep tho.
12683371, well that's disrespectful
Posted by CherNic, Tue Dec-23-14 01:16 PM
12683374, I'm just talkin shit lol
Posted by SimplyHannah, Tue Dec-23-14 01:18 PM
12683785, man hes riding w/ his homies! DAMN. she knows where that fool is
Posted by Binlahab, Wed Dec-24-14 07:52 AM
you just got a new car, & you supposed to be @ the house? no maam, we going to HOOTERS, NIGGAS

#rideout


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg
12683526, ONCE AGAIN WHITE GIRLS SHOW HOW ITS DONE!
Posted by GrumpySmurf, Tue Dec-23-14 03:44 PM















































































































































































































http://www.g2mil.com/grenadecolor1.gif
12683564, condescending as hell and i hope her next album is illmatic 2
Posted by illegal, Tue Dec-23-14 04:27 PM
just so yall can shut up about it
12683581, RE: i hope her next album is TRILLmatic
Posted by deejboram, Tue Dec-23-14 04:40 PM
>just so yall can shut up about it
12683637, thank you lol
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Dec-23-14 06:01 PM
12683649, yeah..
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Dec-23-14 06:36 PM
the constant bitching about her has pretty much drowned out how annoying she might be
12683715, that would be hilarious
Posted by GrumpySmurf, Tue Dec-23-14 09:11 PM
12683719, awww.
Posted by atruhead, Tue Dec-23-14 09:38 PM
12683712, Damn why did lupe go off deep end? Who was that nutty nigga talking to?
Posted by illEskoBar221, Tue Dec-23-14 09:04 PM
12683782, Lol Lupe went full Loopy with them tweets
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Wed Dec-24-14 07:48 AM
12683743, lol damn there's a whole lot of Care going into this.
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Dec-23-14 11:21 PM

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