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12680387, why *cant* barry pardon assata?
Posted by Binlahab, Fri Dec-19-14 09:20 AM
not right now altho that would be awesome

but like his last day in office? walking out the door?

because YT will be mad? what else is new

because it might torpedo whoever is running after him? if its hillary she will tack right & say how she wouldnt have done it & offset whatever she lost from progressicves w/ conservatives

if its liz warren she'll be like GOOD & pick up the few remaining bomb throwing lefties she doesnt have (no way she wins btw much as i want her to run)

so whats the down side?

please miss me w/ the 'WHITEY AINT FIXIN TO HAVE THAT! NO SUH!' shuck & jive hanky head response i dont care


does it really matter?

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12680389, He needs to do it.
Posted by jetblack, Fri Dec-19-14 09:22 AM
He can do it.
12680393, Honestly, I think if he DID....she'd be pretty quickly assassinated....
Posted by FLUIDJ, Fri Dec-19-14 09:26 AM
At this point...
Assuming by pardon you also mean allowing her reentry back into the US.

I wonder if she'd even come back to the US?

.
12680488, lol she does NOT want to ever return anyway
Posted by Damali, Fri Dec-19-14 10:55 AM

>I wonder if she'd even come back to the US?

She has said on numerous occasions that Cuba is her home and she is happy and has no desire to ever step foot on US soil again. The Castro family is VERY protective of her. Assata will be fine with or without a pardon.

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12680395, shit, he should pardon Mumia too
Posted by bonitaapplebaum71481, Fri Dec-19-14 09:30 AM

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12680403, Why should Mumia be freed?
Posted by deejboram, Fri Dec-19-14 09:36 AM
.
12680434, cuz he didn't do it
Posted by bonitaapplebaum71481, Fri Dec-19-14 09:53 AM

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12680438, who did it then?
Posted by deejboram, Fri Dec-19-14 09:57 AM
was you there?
12680478, From reading his book years ago, I think it was Live From Death Row
Posted by bentagain, Fri Dec-19-14 10:41 AM
or something like that

it kinda implicates his brother as the gunman

also, see the reply below

the main witness was a drug addict prostitute

that ended up dead not long after the trial

another implication that she was known to do favors for the police

to avoid being arrested

(a little foggy on all the details, but I think other witnesses turned up dead too)
12680483, We read Darren Wilson's book too, right?
Posted by deejboram, Fri Dec-19-14 10:47 AM
I read his book and other stuff surrounding his case while I lived in Philly.
At first I used to be all FREE MUMIA
but after reading all this info (his included)
I'm left inconclusive.
a big fat I DONT KNOW
both sides make very compelling cases

i dont know everything that was presented in court so can't say what the jury saw/heard

in Philly i used to be around a buncha old heads and they were like "that nigga did it!"

so i dunno


>or something like that
>
>it kinda implicates his brother as the gunman
>
>also, see the reply below
>
>the main witness was a drug addict prostitute
>
>that ended up dead not long after the trial
>
>another implication that she was known to do favors for the
>police
>
>to avoid being arrested
>
>(a little foggy on all the details, but I think other
>witnesses turned up dead too)
12680844, At the heart of the Mumia case, it's NOT about his innocence.
Posted by isaaaa, Fri Dec-19-14 02:45 PM
It's about his complete lack of a fair trial, and how far the police and city went to put him behind bars. A total mockery of the justice system.


His guilt or lack there of is secondary.

Everyone deserves a free-trial, he did not receive one.




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12680928, exactly.
Posted by guru0509, Fri Dec-19-14 03:25 PM
12680475, Eh on Mumia being innocent. However he did not get a fair trial.
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12680398, Why should she be pardoned again?
Posted by EmDub, Fri Dec-19-14 09:33 AM
She was involved in a cop being shot and then escaped from prison.

What am I missing?

12680409, a whole lot of history
Posted by ThaAnthology, Fri Dec-19-14 09:38 AM
12680410, ^^^excellent question
Posted by Binlahab, Fri Dec-19-14 09:39 AM
we dont know what she did. i have no reason whatsoever to take the word of law enforcement in regards to her case as during this time LEO on a federal level on down was literally waging war on people who identified like her, killing people left and right to break what they felt was an internal threat to the stability of the united states.

the system was corrupt then, she would not have gotten a fair trial & she shouldnt have been imprisoned ANYWAY as a political prisoner

now why should she be pardoned?

1) because we want her to be.
2) we will prolly never get another shot, if barry dont do it what POTUS would?
3) LEO obviously wants her brought back in chains to face "justice"
4) she is a shining example of our greatest generation and for her to live her life in her late retirement yrs behind bars is a travesty.

thats why, from my pov. why do you think she should not be?

12680416, who is 'we'?
Posted by deejboram, Fri Dec-19-14 09:42 AM
>1) because we want her to be.

take a vote.
even in the black community i'm not sure it will be a majority

>thats why, from my pov. why do you think she should not be?

thats a tough one.
12680460, RE: ^^^excellent question
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Dec-19-14 10:22 AM
i mean i know half the time you are trolling but i am starting to think your unfairness with obeezy is reaching a head. he's a politician, not a magician. he's made the subtle moves that have been in play (for the most part, not all of them) and some slightly bolder ones.

you want somebody to do all this type of bullshit, you better start reanimating some corpses and getting them elected. zombie eldridge cleaver on the green party ticket in 2016?
12680841, was corrupt?
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri Dec-19-14 02:43 PM
12680484, Yeah, I was scratching my head on Angela Davis too...
Posted by bentagain, Fri Dec-19-14 10:49 AM
I was watching a documentary on her not too long ago

and she was interviewed in the doc, so I'm guessing it had her consent

but I didn't understand why her case is received with so much sympathy

from what I remember

she ended up having a relationship with an inmate

and somehow the inmate's younger brother comes to possess guns registered to Angela...

...maybe I'm missing something that somebody could expound upon...

but I was waiting for the AHA moment, and I didn't see it.

I get that she was found not guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, etc...

but it did feel to me that there was some sort of criminal charge for at least supplying the guns

no?
12681280, Chances are, during that era, the cops broke the law too.
Posted by Triptych, Sat Dec-20-14 10:18 AM
That poisons the whole case. You have to understand that it really was war back then. Not having lived through it does not mean it did not happen.
12680715, There is a good chance that she didn't shoot the cop
Posted by Sarah_Bellum, Fri Dec-19-14 01:44 PM
The trooper that claims he saw her pulled a gun out of her pocketbook to shot at him, completely recanted his story. There was no gun powder residue on Assata's hands nor finger prints on the gun found at the scene.
That trooper also never bothered to report another trooper that arrived at the scene at the time of the stop. That trooper was subsequently killed during the shoot out,yet dude never even reported that there was a second trooper on the scene, let alone that he was shot and dead until an hour after he arrived at the police station. So this man left a dead trooper on the side of the road for an hour and never called for back up or an ambulance. They found this trooper just laying in the road.

At the time the government was trying to set up black liberation groups, black panthers and even the SNCC to jail them, even in the early 70's. They were out to get them, no bones about it and trumped up a lot of charges against these types.
If you look at her record you'll see they were trying to get her for everything under the sun for 4 years... for everything from multiple bank robbery to kidnappings. Assata beat them all. Now if you think the courts are biased against black folks now, imagine how much ridiculous the charges against Assata must of been in the 1970's where they couldn't convict a black woman of multiple bank robberies etc several times?!?!

I think it's likely that they were set up and it's likely that the trooper that died was killed by his fellow trooper during the shoot out with Assata's associates.

As far as her breaking out of jail... this woman is a damn super hero, and if she didn't do it I don't blame her for breaking out.

All that said, she's got State charges so Obama can't do a damn thing for her.
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12681695, ^ This. Exactly. And even if she did (which she didn't), there's an
Posted by Jon, Sun Dec-21-14 10:00 AM
entire climate of corruption, brutality, murder and intimidation among the police toward black ppl that everyone now accepts was part of what ppl of color had to deal with "back then" (even when they refuse to admit it still exists today)

After all thr BS she as an individual had already been put through by them (well documented), had she killed a cop who was trying to run her down, it still could be thought reasonable pardon her 40-odd years later.

Escaping prison? It wasn't a proper prison and illegal forms of cruel and unusual punishment were taking place. Plenty of testimony available from that era to back it up.

Plus, if they can find a ridiculous way put her at the top of the most wanted terrorist list in 2014 (totally rendering that list a joke), the rules are loose enough that they can find a way to pardon her
12680400, she was convicted in state court for state law violations.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Dec-19-14 09:34 AM
He can only pardon ppl accused/convicted of federal crime.

12680404, aaaand we're done here
Posted by veritas, Fri Dec-19-14 09:36 AM
12680411, FUCK i hate lawyers.
Posted by Binlahab, Fri Dec-19-14 09:39 AM
you people are a scourge on humanity.

perfectly good poast & here you go w/ the gatdamn LOGIC.

sheesh


does it really matter?

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12680421, Lol
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Dec-19-14 09:44 AM
12680756, haha
Posted by IkeMoses, Fri Dec-19-14 02:03 PM
12680757, haha
Posted by IkeMoses, Fri Dec-19-14 02:03 PM
12680949, Pardon her on the federal charges and grant her a new trial in the
Posted by vee-lover, Fri Dec-19-14 03:46 PM
murder charge


>He can only pardon ppl accused/convicted of federal crime.
>
>
12680956, Obama has no legal authority to disturb the state case(s).
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Dec-19-14 03:56 PM
so he can't order a new trial in the murder case.

he can pardon her on any pending federal charge(s) and she'll still be a convicted murderer.
12681104, I didn't say anything abt Obama interfering w/state matters - I said
Posted by vee-lover, Fri Dec-19-14 06:54 PM
if possible pardon her for the federal charge

As far as the murder charge is concerned, I said considering the testimony of the neurologists who testified in court that her hands were up when she was shot and that none of her fingerprints were found on ANY of the weapons should be enough for her to get a new trial



>so he can't order a new trial in the murder case.
>
>he can pardon her on any pending federal charge(s) and she'll
>still be a convicted murderer.
12681125, good for you
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Dec-19-14 07:41 PM
the OP asks why the prez can't pardon Assata. i explained - it's b/c her convictions were in state court and the prez can't pardon ppl convicted in state court for violations of state law.

you suggested a pardon on the fed charges (assumedly by Obama) and the granting of a new trial in the state case but didn't indicate who would grant that new trial. considering the OP asks about Obama and my reply to which you replied was also about Obama it stood to reason that you suggested Obama grant the new trial on state charges. to which i responded that's not possible.

if Assata is going to get a new trial on the state charges that order would have to come from a NJ appellate court and not the president. w/o regard for who or what you meant, that's the deal. if she's gonna get a new trial in a state case that order will need to come from a state court and not the fedz.
12680405, What are we talking here? There's never been a full pardon for murder
Posted by John Forte, Fri Dec-19-14 09:38 AM
and the law enforcement angle makes it a tough sell. even though SHE DIDN'T KILL ANYONE
12680413, nver been a black POTUS before either
Posted by Binlahab, Fri Dec-19-14 09:40 AM
lets set some precedent for once


does it really matter?

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12680425, It would have 0 effect bc he has no authority to pardon her for murder.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Dec-19-14 09:47 AM
12680432, lmao
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Dec-19-14 09:51 AM
12680414, In Texas, if you ride in the car when somebody gets killed u get LIFE
Posted by deejboram, Fri Dec-19-14 09:40 AM
>even though SHE DIDN'T KILL ANYONE


seen it too many times on 1st 48
somebody just go along for a ride during a robbery
victim ends of getting shot/killed
everybody in that car gets LIFE
trigger man gets a date at Huntsville
12680423, My man caught a charge in TX because there was weed ON his car
Posted by John Forte, Fri Dec-19-14 09:46 AM
people smoking out on the street at a cookout. Neighbors called the cops, dude with the sack put it on the tire of the closest car when the cops came. Cops found it and charged the owner.
12680456, Yeah, it's called the felony-murder rule
Posted by Marbles, Fri Dec-19-14 10:18 AM

If someone gets killed while you're committing another felony (say burglary or assault), everyone who was involved in the commission of the original felony can be charged with murder.

I hope I said that in a way that made sense.
12680417, is that true? at state or federal level?
Posted by veritas, Fri Dec-19-14 09:42 AM
I never knew that, but it makes sense.
12680419, Federal, presidential
Posted by John Forte, Fri Dec-19-14 09:44 AM
Murderers have had sentences commuted, but never a full pardon.
12681706, A. first time for everything. ... B. classic pardon or not, there is
Posted by Jon, Sun Dec-21-14 10:11 AM
definitely plenty of quasi-pardon or other just-as-useful things any halfway decent law expert with an imagination could do to immunize her from ramifications of that crooked shitstorm she was caught in
12680426, that's Tupac's mother!!! (c) drunk dude in the barber shop
Posted by BigJazz, Fri Dec-19-14 09:47 AM
this post reminded me of a wild convo i had in a barber shop one night. it was after closing and we were drinking and watching the game and talking and this loud & wrong ass dude swore up & down that tupac's mother was a political prisoner hiding out in Cuba and that maybe Pac faked his death and joined her...
12680457, lmao, classic
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Dec-19-14 10:18 AM
12680471, shit i thought that up until 2 days ago
Posted by southphillyman, Fri Dec-19-14 10:35 AM
then i googled her after reading that cuba post and had a weebay gif moment
tbf though his mom was a panther too. seems like there were a gang of panthers who adopted that last name on some MOVE::Africa tip
12680934, Assata is the sister of Tupac's stepather, Mutulu Shakur...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Dec-19-14 03:29 PM
>then i googled her after reading that cuba post and had a
>weebay gif moment
>tbf though his mom was a panther too. seems like there were a
>gang of panthers who adopted that last name on some
>MOVE::Africa tip
12680429, Why haven't a team of lawyers picked up Assata's case and retried it?
Posted by deejboram, Fri Dec-19-14 09:47 AM
like they do for all them dudes with false rape convictions pre-DNA technology
then they re-try them with DNA and they are exonerated

Seems like Benjamin Crump should have been all over this one
12681311, Most likely because she's a fugitive.
Posted by Starbaby Jones, Sat Dec-20-14 12:06 PM
OKlawyers may have to weigh in, but I'm pretty sure you forfeit legal recourse when you're on the run.
12680430, RE: why *cant* barry pardon assata?
Posted by murph71, Fri Dec-19-14 09:50 AM


Because he's not King of the Blacks.....
12680431, Too much stupidity in this inquiry to unpack
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Dec-19-14 09:51 AM
It has to be a group effort, so I'll let other people handle the explanation of why the president could not pardon her even if he felt like doing a solid for someone on the FBI's most wanted terrorist list that has a $1M bounty on her head for killing a police officer.

I sympathize with her in many ways but this is the risk you take being a revolutionary.
12680435, & we are the children of that revolution who say come home, Assata
Posted by Binlahab, Fri Dec-19-14 09:54 AM
i think our opinion can gathr enough steam to make a difference here if FIRST we get people who want her to be able to come back to say it out loud

and yes we do


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg
12680447, if you want change, you need money behind it, not voices
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Dec-19-14 10:07 AM
ain't nobody putting serious money behind this shit and why would they?

even in cases where "outcry" succeeds, it's because of legal and fiduciary channels. the demonstration is mostly window dressing or maybe a conduit of sorts.
12680452, y'all need NJ's gov to pardon her for the murder conviction.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Dec-19-14 10:11 AM
no POTUS has the legal authority to pardon her for that.
12680455, he can be bought ... with sandwiches.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Dec-19-14 10:18 AM
12680485, is Assata still safe in Cuba now?
Posted by Calico, Fri Dec-19-14 10:51 AM
the US and Cuba have been become more open to each other in the last few days, what does that mean for people getting asylum>
12680758, She still got time to fly to Venezuela. She'll be straight.
Posted by IkeMoses, Fri Dec-19-14 02:03 PM
12680761, Barry need to pardon Adnan.
Posted by IkeMoses, Fri Dec-19-14 02:04 PM
12681123, LMAO
Posted by b.Touch, Fri Dec-19-14 07:38 PM
12681113, Wow sellout niggas in here acting like the FBI cointelpro mission statement
Posted by Musa, Fri Dec-19-14 07:17 PM
wasn't to prevent the rise of the Black Messiah.

Like we don't know they were infiltrating black organizations acting as agent provocateurs and the US justice system didn't illegally lock up Black so called radicals for their ideologies(the meaning of political prisoner) more so their than physically aggressive actions(see free lunch program being the most dangerous thing in amerikkka).

Yall niggas should ask your mama's why she ain't do you in with the coat hanger.
12681183, I mean it's obvious they were after HER PERSONALLY
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Dec-19-14 11:22 PM
However, supporting her freedom and recognizing facts doesn't change the fact that the initial post is a pretty open-and-shut question
12681310, All this to stop D'Angelos album?!
Posted by lfresh, Sat Dec-20-14 12:01 PM

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12681700, see imo cointelpro alone should be enough to wipe out cases from
Posted by Jon, Sun Dec-21-14 10:07 AM
That period
12681275, It'll be a win if she doesn't get extradited
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sat Dec-20-14 09:52 AM
She is a "free" woman living in Cuba, I just don't see the upside for pardoning her. There are a lot of folks higher on the list.


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12681307, if she does, I will personally throw a trash can thru the nearest pizzeria
Posted by Binlahab, Sat Dec-20-14 11:51 AM
Window.


does it really matter?

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12681702, change that to government bldg window and I'm with you
Posted by Jon, Sun Dec-21-14 10:08 AM
12681714, ^^^I hope Bin's mom had the "White Talk" with him already.
Posted by deejboram, Sun Dec-21-14 10:42 AM
Cause this is how niggas get caught up.
12681304, He's just extremely centrist and mainstream
Posted by Jon, Sat Dec-20-14 11:46 AM
So insanely centrist that it makes the crying about him being an extremist even unbearably obnoxious and clearly racial.

The fact that Assata still gets treated like a threat and a terrorist is one of the most glaring examples that the system is corrupt and racism is alive and well which allows them to publically get away with it