>the thing you are overlooking.... is... what is culture? is
>it the products (music, dance, food) or is the a priori
>paradigms and collective experiences that have led to the
>creation of the products?
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If one is addressing the former as the culture in question, then it is the former. If discussing the latter, then you're opening Pandora's box and racial exclusivity becomes even harder to assert without cherry-picking.


>so when azalea banks says she created hip hop she's saying
>black folks went through a specific set of circumstances and
>have a different worldview that made hip hop possible in the
>first place. no other group of folks would have done it.
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When she says she created it, she means something entirely separate from anything remotely resembling a claim to its inventiom. Noted.

But what circumstances exclusive to black people were solely responsible for which hip hop elements that Banks is upset about seeing other people engage in?


>so... yes you can LISTEN and be influenced by hip hop but you
>are dealing with it on its most simplest of levels I.e. the
>actual product. you have not experienced the black American
>experience nor were you raised with what would consider a
>black worldview.
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This is mystical mythology. The average kid of any color who breaks or writes or rhymes or DJs or tgrows a party with his uncle's old sound equipment is not doing so out of a writhing connection to lynchings of ancestors etc.


>ownership of culture means you have been through it.
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A. Nobody is arguing that Macklemore or Action Bronson own hip-hop culture, yet they HAVE in fact been through hip-hop culture. They have not been through the black experience.

>you can't understand hip hop the way a black person does
>because you haven't been dehumanized...
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First of all, there are a lot of fucking people in this world who for one reason or another have been dehumanized way worse than plenty of real actual living individuals who are black.

Second, the idea that being dehumanized the worst of anyone else is what makes someone able to understand hip-hop in its elements or its community-uplifting roots is another baseless appeal to twisted sentimentality.


> you didn't populate housing
>projects in the south Bronx harlem or Bk. (not you per se...
>but a typical white american)
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No but other non-blacks did find themselves there.


>also...a plane is an invention.... culture evolves. too
>different to make analogies.
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That would make culture even less claimable than a plane.