or you could say most talented crazy person
but yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDS-VEEl6w

i'm actually finding her pretty reasonable.
maybe not RIGHT on every point.
but not unreasonable or crazy.

I like that she is passionate and actually has a point of view.
can't say the same for many other black entertainers on radio today.

w/ kanye 3rd (he's the most creative & least crazy)

and then fully expect that relationship to monopolize my psyche for the next year and a half.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

I don't want to make it seem like I'm devaluing her opinions, just that I can't jive with everything she's saying but I'd still like to hear her say what's she's got to say.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

Man yall need to stop posting this shit.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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.
.
"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

....

but shes hella talented

she does seem a bit bi polar tho

u can see how she seamlessly moves from one emotional extreme to the other

anyway

good interview

had some valid points

I still can't get into her music but I see the appeal




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This entire interview rubs me the wrong way. If Tip defends himself then he's picking on her. She's really reckless and invoking the spirit of the older arguments against southern artists with her statements toward Tip.

Why is she coming at Ebro for giving her constructive criticism? This was a bad look for her because she's literally begging for attention. All attention is not good attention and this interview is a prime example of that.

*EDIT*

The fake crying is fucking annoying and she's crazy as fuck. She really lectured Ebro about the music distribution platforms. Ebros Combat Jack interviews tell her to shut the entire fuck up. Is her attitude indicative of Harlem?

..nice interview

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she says a lot of shit and a lot of it's dumb, some of it isn't.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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she's perfectly sane to yall?. She needs to find a way better way to express herself than this. She is not likable at all.

Always dug her music, but damn she's really real with it.
Anyone with the courage to speak so openly about their concern for Black culture gets
automatic respect.
Plus people wanna act all ridiculous when celebs express opinions like they aren't
supposed to have them. I have no problem with that. I don't agree with everything
she said, but hell I don't agree with my best friend on everything either.
I'm buying her music on the strength even if I don't like it from here on out.

she in her RIGHT mind -- #claydavis

i liked her b4 this

LOVE her now

awready respected the creativity & the girl got hella bars

but hearing her talk abt that "undercurrent of fuck you" -

and tearing up talking abt mike brown, garner, and the culture rape -

i'm actually scared for her now b/c the industry will take the empathy that feeds ur creativity & use against you to fuck up your mind - #lauryn

i'm a fan

I mean...glad I kept going...because that first 5 min was rough..
But yeah....start at the 7minute mark...

she's my #2 rapper alive

but yeah any woman who can cry at the drop of a dime, go back to joking, then go back to crying is a little cuckoo

unless she was trolling

>but yeah any woman who can cry at the drop of a dime,

um no it wasn't the drop of a dime...she was talking about some emotional shit

you would mistake passion for crazy...fuck your misogynistic bullshit

the girl is young...a baby damn near. she has strong opinions and is still learning how to express them. good for her and her journey

d

any grown person (21+) regardless of gender who can cry at the drop of a dime and go back to laughing seconds later is probably a little off in the head. i happened to be talking about a woman here but I wasnt targeting your gender specifically

way to start the new year coming into my post cursing me out, happy 2015 to you too

Dope.

There really is something going on there.

That said, I don't understand the appeal of her music - at. all.

she has a bit of sophomore college activist energy going on

Nice to hear rappers tapping into house rhythms.

and to see someone 23 that can see whats happening around them to that degree is pretty amazing. Her only issue is she's 3 steps ahead and doesn't take time to listen. Ebro basically was schooling her on watching her delivery and not being so reactionary that her music gets lost in the process. She tried to go ham on him and he's on her side or at least willing to give her space to share her perspective.

I liked that she said her opinions and feelings on Iggy are her opinions and will not end up in her songs..one has nothing to do with the other.

That smudging of hip hop she speaks on she's not the 1st nor the last that speaks on it but its good to see someone new to the game "gets" it.

Her loathing of TI is real and she makes a very good point about why she doesn't like him.

I'm a dinosaur. I don't do iTunes + Spotify

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tP-4m4b3tA

More traditional rap shit.

Then she does a cover of Interpol's Slow Hands as a torch song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAtIGB2jiOk

she did come off a little crazy but i just think she's emotional, like a lot of artists. she's also young which influences her "crazy."

it was actually refreshing to hear her opinions be given some more depth because those 140 characters DO make her seem a little nuts but once you hear her flesh out her thoughts you see she has a reason for those tweets that are at least understandable, whether you agree with her or not.

she's very talented as well...i hope she keeps making good music.

imho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsfJz7k29I

Hee Hee ha who ha

Anyone who agree's with her doesnt get it. AT. ALL.




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She just needs to shut the fuck up because shes such a baby in the industry and the world at 23....she doesnt get shit. smh.


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like, what does she not get that you're so keen on?

it's not iggy azalea holding her back from being bigger, unless iggy was the one having angry-ass twitter beefs w/ desus

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

2 issues that unfortunately get tangled and shouldn't..

Banks grips are real in terms of the flexibility and access Iggy is allowed and she isn't..

But her ability to disintegrate relationships and feel she should be entitled to do whatever she wants gets all the way in her way.. Drama kids yo..

not iggy.

it's not some unsaid secret that iggy being white opens doors for her (at a certain level)

but making that a personal attack extending over years isn't helping banks' career, and she won't see that.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Nah I agree.. In the interview she didnt really insert herself in the convo like that at all..

Shit she was talking about the media trying to erase Nicki Minaj's relevance with Iggy Azalea moreso than herself. She never said it's Iggy's fault SHE wasn't poppin more at any point..

Iggy's biggest issue is she isnt from America and is fully naive to the way this works.. she is literally a cultural tourist that landed here liked rap (w/o the baggage and identification it comes with) and has been successful at it. It frustrates people that she won't (like macklemore has done) recognize her white privilege.

Then obviously the system supports it but allowing pop success to dominate sub-genre charts. So she actually IS oppressing artists on the Hip Hop/R&B charts.

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>It frustrates people that she won't (like macklemore has done)
>recognize her white privilege.


but ^^^THAT^^^ has made me lose all respect for her. it's even worse that her answer to those calls is shit like that twitter "rant" she went on last night about how no one can deny you your destiny or whatever that bullshit was (which was obviously a subtweet response to Bank's interview).

it's not helping that she had good songs (IMO) before she got signed but put out an album full of pop garbage.

Well.. It makes me want to shake the shit outta her.. lol

Like Yo!!

Your boyfriend.. to guys like Skeme and Stix who write your hits could go outside to 7/11 and NOT come back just cuz they are black..

You don't and wont ever have that fear.. period

If you can't understand this simple fact it's like wtf

at least give back to the black community with your support and some honesty, which is literally the least you can do...and like you said...these are the people she works with.

yeah, i can't fuck with her.

I just found the crying, joking and crying again to be "crazy"

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needs an enema to get rid of the bullshit.

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I didnt even read his post but this reply got me rollin

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thumbs cuz you know thumbsuckers have that withered wrinkled little looking one that never reached maturity from always being moist. :-(

she does seem a little crazy, but that usually comes with the territory with passionate individuals

I like her passion and conviction

them emotions be raging in all directions at once

i'm cool with her being opinionated...

but she's so damn disrespectful

so extra

i can't call it...

i'm not interested enough in her music to care either though

real talk

i have to watch the rest of this interview though lol

I'm only 11 mins in... any highlights with time stamps?


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wants to be in but, she has a platform now and she can take it beyond some pop songs. I mean smart like educated and knows what she's saying.

I'm glad she named names....lmao..she was like, COMPLEX, XXL, YOU GUYS! when she said she talks about a lot more than drama on her twitter but, that's all they care about posting.

ebro was like, well they post the crazy stuff for the clicks..

to which she said, 'WELL HERE'S YOUR CLICKS!'.

it's like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

haha! that shit was on point. Tip do be putting on an act with that proper shit.

And I agree that the forceful catapulting and crowning of Iggy is troubling.
There's a history of this but this generation seems not to see the big deal about it.

I like Azeela Banks because she really is a music nerd and also one hell of a flower. He understanding of rhthym and timing is impeccacle. She is only 23. She could be great,

However this interview shows signs of mental illness or at the very least social cue issues. Not saying she's a crack baby but watching her rollercoaster of emotions reminded of a documentary I watched once.

Anyway her lack of success is directly related to her lack of chill. She is a habitual bridge burner. I would work with her in a heartbeat though...lol...despite the imminent fall out and twitter war.

on here by majority of you lol...so theres that.

- Iggy isn't hip-hop mainly for the fact that she's white? Fucking utter stupid garbage. If we are gonna listen to either of the two and see who is closer to sounding more like other rappers that are currently out (not to say that is a positive, thats another discussion) Iggy is the only one sounding like a rapper. I always considered Azealia Banks in the same alternative lane as Theolophious London and Cudi. Neither who I think are rappers, they are more singers who happen to rap sometimes. Let's stop pretending she is a rapping and the rest of yall really stop pretending you know more than 3 of her songs lol Because if you did you would know that she is not a rapper.

- She signed a major label deal. Nobody forced her. She wants her freedom but trying to get on that MAINSTREAM level of competition? Then learn to work that world. She doesn't. Its like any other corporation, they are willing to invest in you, you have to give something in return. Its not here is some money do what the fuck you want. She thought she was already on some Beyonce or Hov status to start doing whatever the fuck she wanted, and btw even those two cant bullshit around in that world. Yonce's last album got ripped apart by the label and she had to go rework it......and it was the smart move. People pretend they understand what they are doing when they sign to these majors yet its always clear they don't. The labels job is to make money, white artists who are good enough are proven to make money. Not because white people at these corporations WANT them to, they dont care who makes them money as long as you make them the most money. Why do they know that white artists wiill make them money? Because white people buy their records, go to their shows, buy their merch. We all sit and complain a concert is too white, or we brag that the last album you bought was Kendrick. Well why the fuck do you think Iggy is nominated for a Grammy but not someone like YG or GIbbs/Madlib. Don't say WHO should be in replace of Iggy if you didn't buy their album, go to their show or show some sort of monetary support. Thats the equivalent to not voting in the next election and then complaining when a dumb fuck gets elected 2 times. Foh. Iggy has fucking smassssssh hits. Her album was shit, but lets not pretend that 1. There were many good rap albums from black or white artists to replace half of the list or 2 That smash hits don't count. They do. You have dumb ass Peter Rosenberg saying he didnt think Fancy was hiphop enough lol It is. It clearly is. It just wasnt the type of hiphop me, you or Peter give a fuck. Majority of the shit out you guys don't like anyways unless its somewhat of a 90s type or artist so it doesnt really matter who gets nominated cause more times than not, its not "you're kind of hiphop".

- She blames EVERYONE else but herself for not breaking into that mainstream world and she is butt hurt when she see's her peer or her competition Iggy do it. She blamed Pharrell who was making hits with everyone at the time while they were working and the song they made was a dud. Remember she tried to call him out on Twitter? LOL stupdity. It's his fault YOU don't know how to make a smash? Oh word? foh, no sense of taking responsibility for her own moves.

I don't expect any of you to read most of what I said but thats your choice. It was for the people who were asking for it. Do with it what you will. *shrugs*




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plus she's not the first to sign a deal with a major & then struggle with the particularities of it.

i don't really see her putting blame on others as to why she herself as an individual isn't breaking into the mainstream, and i'm not sure she's even all that interested in that. she's pointing out why certain people are privileged within that system of who is mainstream and who is not. IMO she sees iggy as a symptom of a larger problem. It's really no different than many activists and academics, so why is her voice less valid?

>on here by majority of you lol...so theres that.
>
>- Iggy isn't hip-hop mainly for the fact that she's white?
>Fucking utter stupid garbage. If we are gonna listen to either
>of the two and see who is closer to sounding more like other
>rappers that are currently out (not to say that is a positive,
>thats another discussion) Iggy is the only one sounding like a
>rapper. I always considered Azealia Banks in the same
>alternative lane as Theolophious London and Cudi. Neither who
>I think are rappers, they are more singers who happen to rap
>sometimes. Let's stop pretending she is a rapping and the rest
>of yall really stop pretending you know more than 3 of her
>songs lol Because if you did you would know that she is not a
>rapper.
>
>- She signed a major label deal. Nobody forced her. She wants
>her freedom but trying to get on that MAINSTREAM level of
>competition? Then learn to work that world. She doesn't. Its
>like any other corporation, they are willing to invest in you,
>you have to give something in return. Its not here is some
>money do what the fuck you want. She thought she was already
>on some Beyonce or Hov status to start doing whatever the fuck
>she wanted, and btw even those two cant bullshit around in
>that world. Yonce's last album got ripped apart by the label
>and she had to go rework it......and it was the smart move.
>People pretend they understand what they are doing when they
>sign to these majors yet its always clear they don't. The
>labels job is to make money, white artists who are good enough
>are proven to make money. Not because white people at these
>corporations WANT them to, they dont care who makes them money
>as long as you make them the most money. Why do they know that
>white artists wiill make them money? Because white people buy
>their records, go to their shows, buy their merch. We all sit
>and complain a concert is too white, or we brag that the last
>album you bought was Kendrick. Well why the fuck do you think
>Iggy is nominated for a Grammy but not someone like YG or
>GIbbs/Madlib. Don't say WHO should be in replace of Iggy if
>you didn't buy their album, go to their show or show some sort
>of monetary support. Thats the equivalent to not voting in the
>next election and then complaining when a dumb fuck gets
>elected 2 times. Foh. Iggy has fucking smassssssh hits. Her
>album was shit, but lets not pretend that 1. There were many
>good rap albums from black or white artists to replace half of
>the list or 2 That smash hits don't count. They do. You have
>dumb ass Peter Rosenberg saying he didnt think Fancy was
>hiphop enough lol It is. It clearly is. It just wasnt the type
>of hiphop me, you or Peter give a fuck. Majority of the shit
>out you guys don't like anyways unless its somewhat of a 90s
>type or artist so it doesnt really matter who gets nominated
>cause more times than not, its not "you're kind of hiphop".
>
>- She blames EVERYONE else but herself for not breaking into
>that mainstream world and she is butt hurt when she see's her
>peer or her competition Iggy do it. She blamed Pharrell who
>was making hits with everyone at the time while they were
>working and the song they made was a dud. Remember she tried
>to call him out on Twitter? LOL stupdity. It's his fault YOU
>don't know how to make a smash? Oh word? foh, no sense of
>taking responsibility for her own moves.
>
>I don't expect any of you to read most of what I said but
>thats your choice. It was for the people who were asking for
>it. Do with it what you will. *shrugs*
>
>
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No matter what angle they have to take.
They're not worth arguing with on these matters.

even when the stance im opposing is utterly ridiculous? because its a touchy issue that you care about? Get out of your feelings if you want to discuss an issue otherwise u don't want to discuss anything you just want people to agree with your point. Foh. Emo ass OKPs keep fighting the good fight going in circles.


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whether it be telling Black people that they are crazy for seeing the racism that we see
or simply disagreeing under the guise of the anti-Black rhetoric that you like to pretend is logical,
you always stand in opposition to anyone speaking on behalf of Black people.

Even now, you're replying emotionally asking why do you "always" have to agree, when
I said you always DISAGREE. You twist whatever you have to twist to oppose Blackness,
yet you refuse to face your hatred for, fear of, and racism against Black people as you
deny and it and try to cover it with the fact that you have Black friends or listen to Black music.
You're way more transparent than you'd like to be.

Now, you get YOUR emotional ass up outta here with the low-level projections.

...

This cat will keep denying with grand cognitive distortions tho.

>whether it be telling Black people that they are crazy for
>seeing the racism that we see
>or simply disagreeing under the guise of the anti-Black
>rhetoric that you like to pretend is logical,
>you always stand in opposition to anyone speaking on behalf of
>Black people.
>
>Even now, you're replying emotionally asking why do you
>"always" have to agree, when
>I said you always DISAGREE. You twist whatever you have to
>twist to oppose Blackness,
>yet you refuse to face your hatred for, fear of, and racism
>against Black people as you
>deny and it and try to cover it with the fact that you have
>Black friends or listen to Black music.
>You're way more transparent than you'd like to be.
>
>Now, you get YOUR emotional ass up outta here with the
>low-level projections.
>
>
>

Because I don't agree when something isn't a racial issue means i'm being antagonistic? Or the fact that I because its a touchy issue you feel I should automatically be on your side otherwise i'm some how against you lol Foh and im the emotional one? Thats fucking laughable. LMAO @ anti-black because im not siding with every "black issue". You are a real fucking idiot. Get a grip of your feelings if you wanna fight the good fight and make some change. You were never gonna agree or whatever I say will never meet your standards because im not black so you dont really give a fuck about what I say lol But then again I have nothing to prove to you im good bruh.





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>Because I don't agree when something isn't a racial issue
>means i'm being antagonistic?

Again, it's not about you agreeing. It's the fact that you ALWAYS take the opposing
position on these matters. A difference of opinion is sometimes enlightening, but
you're predictable in that you simply think Black people are making up the racism
we experience. You're not being honest about that, and anyone who pays attention
can see that this is where all of your replies stem from.


>Or the fact that I because its a
>touchy issue you feel I should automatically be on your side
>otherwise i'm some how against you


I didn't even say that. You're throwing that up as a smokescreen to detract from
the point I'm making about you.


>LMAO @ anti-black because im not siding with every "black issue".

I didn't say that either. I said anti-Black because you insist that Black people are
fabricating our experiences EVERY TIME these discussions arise. You're very consistent
on this point. I wouldn't be calling you out if you weren't.


>You were never gonna agree or whatever I say will never meet your standards because
>im not black so you dont really give a fuck about what I say


That's probably one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this site.
The reason I don't agree with you is because your ideas are rooted in anti-Blackness
every time you speak. If you could stop being racist and thinking that all Black
people who speak on racism are crazy, then we might be able to see eye to eye on some things.
Until then, you're just denying the experiences and me and my people and are,
therefore, just as bad as those who perpetrate the injustices. *shrugs*

I always considered Azealia Banks in the same
>alternative lane as Theolophious London and Cudi. Neither who
>I think are rappers, they are more singers who happen to rap
>sometimes. Let's stop pretending she is a rapping and the rest
>of yall really stop pretending you know more than 3 of her
>songs lol Because if you did you would know that she is not a
>rapper.

here's 5 songs where she's "rapping"

Fantasea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJDxdV--V4
Jumanji https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EjnPSz-jvs
1991 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oM_9ca8hxE
Liqourice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlWRhnYgWcc
Van Vogue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2K1WkdaH2E



The
>labels job is to make money, white artists who are good enough
>are proven to make money. Not because white people at these
>corporations WANT them to, they dont care who makes them money
>as long as you make them the most money. Why do they know that
>white artists wiill make them money? Because white people buy
>their records, go to their shows, buy their merch. We all sit
>and complain a concert is too white, or we brag that the last
>album you bought was Kendrick. Well why the fuck do you think
>Iggy is nominated for a Grammy but not someone like YG or
>GIbbs/Madlib.

so...there's a white artist/audience system in place but not a system propelling white artists further regardless of their talent?

Don't say WHO should be in replace of Iggy if
>you didn't buy their album, go to their show or show some sort
>of monetary support. Thats the equivalent to not voting in the
>next election and then complaining when a dumb fuck gets
>elected 2 times.

Kendrick went platinum. 0 Grammys


Foh. Iggy has fucking smassssssh hits. Her
>album was shit, but lets not pretend that 1. There were many
>good rap albums from black or white artists to replace half of
>the list or 2 That smash hits don't count. They do.

you just said her album was weak, yet big songs by white artists (try getting to the root of why they're big) should somehow count


Majority of the shit
>out you guys don't like anyways unless its somewhat of a 90s
>type or artist so it doesnt really matter who gets nominated
>cause more times than not, its not "you're kind of hiphop".


you're all over the place here. Azealia's issue is weak rap from a white girl being pushed to the forefront. I liked YG's album, he didnt get a nod because...take a guess...he's too black


>- She blames EVERYONE else but herself for not breaking into
>that mainstream world and she is butt hurt when she see's her
>peer or her competition Iggy do it.

she does fine without the mainstream world. she eats internationally and she's been in Hawaii with Kanye. her issue with Iggy was the runaway slavemaster line, then the fact that she's white acting black

She blamed Pharrell who
>was making hits with everyone at the time while they were
>working and the song they made was a dud. Remember she tried
>to call him out on Twitter? LOL stupdity. It's his fault YOU
>don't know how to make a smash? Oh word? foh, no sense of
>taking responsibility for her own moves.

almost all of her album is better than ATM Jam, maybe the label forced her to do a Pharrell record

>here's 5 songs where she's "rapping"
>
>Fantasea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJDxdV--V4
>Jumanji https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EjnPSz-jvs
>1991 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oM_9ca8hxE
>Liqourice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlWRhnYgWcc
>Van Vogue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2K1WkdaH2E

Thi would be a good point if I said she didn't rap at all. My point was majority of all her tracks shes not rapping or not rap songs. If it was the other way around like a Drake then that would make sense. Drake is a rapper who happens to sing. When you hear a RNB song or Sam Smith song with ASAP Rocky on the remix...is it all of a sudden a rap song? No. So why is it any different when She sings on a song and happens to have a rap or sort of a rap verse somewhere in the song? Because she's black? lol idiot.

>so...there's a white artist/audience system in place but not a
>system propelling white artists further regardless of their
>talent?

LOL what YOU think their talent quality is, is not the point. Theres a shit load of artists who the labels make just as much money off of who have the same quality of talent as Iggy who are black. So lets not act as if every white rapper has to be to held to a certain standard. Its who is gonna sell. Thats it. Thats their mentality. Who the fuck is going do units for me (the company).


>Kendrick went platinum. 0 Grammys

And that is unfortunate. But like i've said before, that award couldve went to to many people. Do i ultimately think Macklemore deserved it? Yeah, would have it been my choice? Not at all. I wouldve liked to see Kendrick or Drake win it cause I think their bodies of work were much better. But the sheer numbers Mackelmore's sincles did and how long they stayed on the charts can't be overlooked. AT. ALL.

>you're all over the place here. Azealia's issue is weak rap
>from a white girl being pushed to the forefront. I liked YG's
>album, he didnt get a nod because...take a guess...he's too
>black
>

Yeah...thats the reason. I honestly don't know what the reason but i'll tell you thats a fucking cop out when you got fucking Wiz up there. Did Kendrick get the nod because he was less black than YG? lol Do you see how stupid those words are. You are an idiot.

>she does fine without the mainstream world. she eats
>internationally and she's been in Hawaii with Kanye. her issue
>with Iggy was the runaway slavemaster line, then the fact that
>she's white acting black
>

I didn;t say she doesnt do fine but she does as well as any indie artist. She does just as well as The xx, she does just as well as Jessie Ware, she does just as well as Chromeo, she does just as well as a lot of fucking indie artist. Stop it. Her issue is that she isn't as big as Igggy. Its not deeper than that. Thats all it is. Behind all that slavemaster shit, the way she was moving in the industry blew up in her face. Its plain and simple.

>almost all of her album is better than ATM Jam, maybe the
>label forced her to do a Pharrell record

Smh. Why did you even end your reply with this garbage. Again you are a fucking idiot.


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Some clarity..

NO ONE could've predicted Fancy.. Iggy almost didnt put it on the album and if she didnt have a fanbase overseas she wouldve been dropped.. They didnt believe in it

Here is the original btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWcYOz2fpMk

Fancy worked because Charlie XCX has perfected the school girl cheer hook and it works with all girls from 8-30 yrs old..

There is no sinister plan with Iggy... she was about to be dropped and that shit just WORKED.. same with B.O.B and Nothing On You..

Her whiteness only comes into play because she can break in the Pop space then crossover to Urban after the fact. That is an issue only because a black female artist must come through the urban channels first before crossing to pop. At any point a song like "gangnam style" could come out and oppress any chance of urban artists breaking through because of the way the charts are structured and the way its labelled. Or they could be a little too pop so Urban won't play it. Or be too black so it never crosses over..

Nicki Minaj is the only black female in the last 9 years to reach mainstream stardom and maintain it.

On the plus side 2 of the worlds biggest artists are black females and hopefully with the addition of streaming to the charts it will right some of the wrongs of the chart restructure...

2015 gon be some shit

you said she isnt a rapper. I provided 5 examples (there are tons more out there, she has a song with Styles P for god's sake) then you backpedaled into "I didnt say she isnt a rapper but ummm...DRAKE IS A RAPPER, SHE ISNT" territory

I said maybe Interscope forced her into the studio with Pharrell because they wanted a "hit" record (the reason she was dropped, not her attitude). it's pretty simple, if she has a long line of good music without a big producer then she gets with one and it doesnt sound good, they weren't compatible. you called that garbage

I'm done though

>When you hear a RNB song or Sam Smith song with ASAP Rocky on
>the remix...is it all of a sudden a rap song? No. So why is it
>any different when She sings on a song and happens to have a
>rap or sort of a rap verse somewhere in the song? Because
>she's black? lol idiot.

Im the idiot, but you cant distinguish the difference between Sam Smith and Azealia Banks.

I liked
>YG's
>>album, he didnt get a nod because...take a guess...he's too
>>black

>Yeah...thats the reason. I honestly don't know what the reason
>but i'll tell you thats a fucking cop out when you got fucking
>Wiz up there. Did Kendrick get the nod because he was less
>black than YG? lol Do you see how stupid those words are. You
>are an idiot.

again Im an idiot yet you cant see that Swimming Pools and We Dem Boyz are more friendly to the Grammys and accepted by old white people than a song that repeats the phrase "My nigga, my nigga" for 4 minutes

I'm starting to think she's manipulating this just to shyt on iggy

and she makes good points that really do pertinent

but is she really about that life?

or just a means to lash out at an artist she's beefin with





but im banned tho.
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Frank Zappa was asked about being "huge", but he was more interested in being
frank (pun intended) and honest than being a pop star.
Funny how when a Black woman does it it's some big tragedy and she doesn't "get it"
or some other dumb shit.
She's speaking her mind FIRST and letting the chips fall where they may like others
have done before her, and she's not any less intelligent for it. That's just the kind of
artist she is. Foh with that condescending bullshit.

If she did then she wouldnt have signed with a major in 2014. Plain and simple. Theres tons of artists in her lane making more money on indie labels doing what they wanna do. She wanted the limelight, she was on her way doing shows at Karl Lagerfelds house. She just didnt know how maneuver in that world. Its clear.




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she didnt dis him, she jokingly responded to this saying I'll beat him on a song, then it got ugly. he deleted most of his tweets to her

https://twitter.com/ActionBronson/status/546047272929464321

@ActionBronson nobody dissed you!! but you do sound like the bootleg ghost face
and i will definitely flame you on a track any given sunday.

but you're nothing more than a greasy-fat white man from queens who's
impersonating Ghostface killa. You're a tribute band @ActionBronson




LOL!!!!! She is too real!

>@ActionBronson nobody dissed you!! but you do sound like the
>bootleg ghost face
>and i will definitely flame you on a track any given sunday.
>
>but you're nothing more than a greasy-fat white man from
>queens who's
>impersonating Ghostface killa. You're a tribute band
>@ActionBronson
>
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>
>LOL!!!!! She is too real!
>
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>she didnt dis him, she jokingly responded to this saying I'll
>beat him on a song, then it got ugly. he deleted most of his
>tweets to her
>
>https://twitter.com/ActionBronson/status/546047272929464321

Baked his ass with that one...

lack.

I don't think her getting choked up was odd at all. She was speaking about an issue that is close to her heart, and obviously often on her mind. What is strange/wrong with getting emotional about it (racism /the music she loves / the people she loves)?

I love how unapologetically pro-black girl she is.

Also, her asking if TI learned to read at the Freedmen's Bureau...mercy, lol.

She comes off as the typical young girl who thinks she's figured out the world and is putting folks onto game. You are not reinventing the wheel, make your music, and be happy doing it.

but you got ridiculous pretty quickly, lol.
She was born in '91. It was, indeed, hella funny that she spoke of Rachelle Ferrell that way,
but at her age, I'm pretty sure she's used to people saying "WHO?" when she mentions her.
But to use that as proof that she thinks she's got it all figured out or is putting people up on
game is pretty silly. That's more of an age thing.

I feel like her overall vibe had that obnoxious young 20's girl vibe. Not super obnoxious, but.... I kinda felt like, youngin you are 23, you still got a ways to go. You are not putting people onto the struggle. At least not those folks in the room, nor T.I. for that matter. Maybe her peer group needs to hear it.

I will say I appreciate her black pride, but it feels somewhat misplaced. There are millions of folks in the world, If your music cranks, it cranks all on its own and people will eff with it; regardless of iggy.

And she was runnin the nword way too much for my blood, but what can you do.

However, T.I. has been talking lately like he DOES need to be "put on to struggle" or
at least reminded about it. She's right, he's coonin' it up.

wrote my first rhyme before she was born, most likely got into hip-hop virtually the same exact way she did (just well before she existed), both of us genuine, i have a difficult time hearing her say she created hip-hop and I'm just appropriating it from her.

When people talk about culture, do cats even have an accurate concept of what culture is and how it works?

Culture is what's around you, what you're exposed to, what you engage in. The reason why cheesemaking is tied to French or Italian people is that they are known to partake in it. But an Italian person born tomorrow doesn't get to tell some Asian cat from Vermont they are stealing cheese. Culture is not determined in anybody's genetics or DNA. Its about what's in your life. Any of you who have long loved eating lo mein, lo mein is part of your culture. You're not Chinese, but one day when ppl look back, lo mein is going to also be associated with your corner.

If you want to lament too many white artists winning Grammy's, well first of all the Grammys suck. They never actually pick the best (fill in blank). There's no expectation among serious ppl that they do. They are shit and don't mean shit and certainly don't represent music, the general audience and definitely not hip hop heads. Second, there's a shitload of white ppl who grew up on hip-hop or some portion of it, like rap music. So its inevitable due to natural expansion of cultural components.

Part of being relevant is casting a larger net. The more people who have been exposed and affected by hip-hop, the more people there are for whom aspects of hip-hop is a real part of their culture. That's not culture smudging, culture vulturing, its a culture expanding and diffusing. Welcome to planet Earth. Every cultural thing that doesn't die quick will travel and bind itself into the cultures of new people in new ways. And it begins to morph and branch and become at some point so splintered and different from the "root source" (which is never itself really a root source) that various branches are unrecognizable. At certain points along the flow and exchange of human activity and taste we call "culture" names are given to said moment/shape that help to speak on it, but also codify it in an artificial way.

I dont get to claim the achievement and cultural impact of the Wright brothers. When Azaelia flies to a concert, she isn't jacking avionics from me, and Macklemore isn't jacking hip-hop from her. She didn't invent anything.

Does a hypothetical black 20-year-old rapper from Illinois really get to tell one of those early white graf writers and breakers who used to frequent Kool Herc's old parties that "you're appropriateling my culture?" Please

say it in your most authentic blaccent. Try to do one from the Dirty South, I'm thinking Gulf Coast/N.O. or maybe something in a late 80's LA.

the thing you are overlooking.... is... what is culture? is it the products (music, dance, food) or is the a priori paradigms and collective experiences that have led to the creation of the products?

so when azalea banks says she created hip hop she's saying black folks went through a specific set of circumstances and have a different worldview that made hip hop possible in the first place. no other group of folks would have done it.

so... yes you can LISTEN and be influenced by hip hop but you are dealing with it on its most simplest of levels I.e. the actual product. you have not experienced the black American experience nor were you raised with what would consider a black worldview.

ownership of culture means you have been through it.

you can't understand hip hop the way a black person does because you haven't been dehumanized... you haven't had generations go through slavery... you didn't populate housing projects in the south Bronx harlem or Bk. (not you per se... but a typical white american)

also...a plane is an invention.... culture evolves. too different to make analogies.

needs to be said for the fact that because of the way America denigrates, fetishizes, and profits from Black culture our perspective on how people capitalize off of it is going to be inherently different than that of a white person, generally speaking.

They get to enjoy this culture without having to have said culture tied to their racial identity. They get to enjoy this degenerate music, it doesn't boil up out of their souls all primal like due to a genetic disposition for hard rhythms and bouncing booties.

Miley Cyrus twerks and it's a big fucking news story. Some black girls on youtube do it and they're fucking jezebels.

Folks are acting brand new. I feel like Spike needs to have Bamboozled remastered and brought back into theaters for a limited time run.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

i'm saying culture EVOLVES. it evolves out of a very specific historical set of circumstances and the collective consciousness of the people living that history.

the physical culture born of that history is the TIP of the ICEBERG.... the real culture is the worldview derived from historical circumstances that spawned the physical items

to own a culture you had to live the circumstances that CREATED it...not experience the simplest part of it (outside the context of those conditions) and think you somehow OWN it. thats white supremacy at its finest

>the thing you are overlooking.... is... what is culture? is
>it the products (music, dance, food) or is the a priori
>paradigms and collective experiences that have led to the
>creation of the products?
:
If one is addressing the former as the culture in question, then it is the former. If discussing the latter, then you're opening Pandora's box and racial exclusivity becomes even harder to assert without cherry-picking.


>so when azalea banks says she created hip hop she's saying
>black folks went through a specific set of circumstances and
>have a different worldview that made hip hop possible in the
>first place. no other group of folks would have done it.
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When she says she created it, she means something entirely separate from anything remotely resembling a claim to its inventiom. Noted.

But what circumstances exclusive to black people were solely responsible for which hip hop elements that Banks is upset about seeing other people engage in?


>so... yes you can LISTEN and be influenced by hip hop but you
>are dealing with it on its most simplest of levels I.e. the
>actual product. you have not experienced the black American
>experience nor were you raised with what would consider a
>black worldview.
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This is mystical mythology. The average kid of any color who breaks or writes or rhymes or DJs or tgrows a party with his uncle's old sound equipment is not doing so out of a writhing connection to lynchings of ancestors etc.


>ownership of culture means you have been through it.
:
A. Nobody is arguing that Macklemore or Action Bronson own hip-hop culture, yet they HAVE in fact been through hip-hop culture. They have not been through the black experience.

>you can't understand hip hop the way a black person does
>because you haven't been dehumanized...
:
First of all, there are a lot of fucking people in this world who for one reason or another have been dehumanized way worse than plenty of real actual living individuals who are black.

Second, the idea that being dehumanized the worst of anyone else is what makes someone able to understand hip-hop in its elements or its community-uplifting roots is another baseless appeal to twisted sentimentality.


> you didn't populate housing
>projects in the south Bronx harlem or Bk. (not you per se...
>but a typical white american)
:
No but other non-blacks did find themselves there.


>also...a plane is an invention.... culture evolves. too
>different to make analogies.
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That would make culture even less claimable than a plane.

and worldview prevent this conversation from being fruitful

i could pick apart everything you said...but it be worthless

believe this though... you dont know what the fuck you are talking about

you said culture is whats around you...thats WRONG. culture is much deeper than that.

what did pharaoh month say? "my great grandpap done been through so much its in my hemoglobin to be an ill nigga"

you are a tourist. tourism is welcomed. but it is what it is

some other magical shit, not culture.

Ancestral memory and all that is a remote possibility that I'm willing to entertain sometimes but only so far. We all have ancestors and roots that we feel a special connection to, but if I spend my life doing something totally different from what they did, what they did is not my culture. What I did is. Because what their ancestors did differed from the culture described in what they did. They still could always have an effect on how I feel and operate but its more esoteric.

Everything you're saying requires blind trust in quasi-spiritual presumptions about what ancestral feelings are necessary to birth a hip-hop element like rapping or graffiti and whether anyone with those same ancestral roots would therefore receive credit for the work of Kool Herc and Coke La Rock.

I guess all the early Greek, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Chinese etc co-pioneers of hip-hop elements in the late 60s and early 70s had no idea why they were even doing this since Pharoahe Monch's grandfather wasn't in their hemoglobin.

i'm talking about culture...i didn't mention anything about ancestral memory.

i said to be a part of a culture it must be EARNED by going through it

if you grow dreds, become veggie and put on the red, black and gold does that make you a "rasta"? lol.

go do some research on epistemology, ontology, life space etc

everyone doesn't define the way europeans do

and you sitting here spewing a bunch of BS.

theres a reason the popes are italian.

theres a reason people were offended by the "last samurai"

theres a reason the "untouched" cultures dont fuck with outsiders

america is a unique place. its not a country its a business. all kinds of people are here. it has your perspective on culture fucked up

just because you interact with hip hop on a musical level... you might even have gained some insight from it. but you are detached from those a priori elements that are the truly MEANINGFUL parts of culture.

white christians and black christians have many of the same beliefs, sing the same songs etc

you ever been to a black church and to a white church? well thats the difference in real CULTURE right there....

CONCEPTUALIZATIONS

white folks say "i am". black folks say "i be".

y'all just made me realize why i never liked eminem. its 100% how he talks. he doesn't speak ebonics and he doesn't sound black.

thats also what makes iggy so offensive... have you ever heard her talk? but you rap like that?

she's trying to jack the experience

i'm done here.

you are a tourist. and you made that so abundantly clear

I've cooked spaghetti for 30 years. Shit, my mom and her mom cooked spaghetti... and even if our spaghetti is the best thing you've ever tasted, spaghetti it's still Italian food.... think about it.

Now were there moors and greeks all kindsa people that passed through Italy, even contributed to it? Yes, but spaghetti is Italian. Now if I try to walk into any Italians kitchen and tell them "I run this spaghetti shit! I been doing this for 30 years!" guess what, they are going to call me the fuck out and say well actually... no you don't, this is part of our collective culture, birthed out of our collective an unique experience.
There is a thing white folks love to do and it's basically the back bone for this kinda "white-splanning". Just because you feel intimate with something, sometimes intensely so, that translates into ownership when it comes to Black peoples shit. It's never good enough to fully participate in it, enjoy, bath in it and even reap the emotional or financial reward of it. There always has to be that next level of "I own this." You feel intimate with hip hop but just like you might feel intimate with your wife or girlfriend but you didn't birth them. Collectively black people birthed hip-hop, the black experience is the birth canal and the black mind is the seed. There's just no way around that. It makes a lot of white participants feel uncomfortable but it's just true. And I find it odd how there are never these kinda arguments made for irish culture, italian culture, anyone's culture but ours. Can I put on a kilt and say say to a Scottish child, I been kilting it for 30 years before you were born, how you gon' tell me? NO ONE DOES THAT except when it's black peoples shit. That's the epitome of whites relationship with black culture and it's as old as they come.

The aeronautics comparison doesn't fly because technology is not culture. Now technology can influence culture but it is not culture in and of itself. There have been arguments made that technology belongs to the individual who created it but no such thing as collective technology in modern times, prehistory maybe.

You are extremely intimate with hip-hop and that is great, no one is saying you shouldn't be. But why is that never enough? Why is a possession always a requirement for white folks engaged in black culture?
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>wrote my first rhyme before she was born, most likely got
>into hip-hop virtually the same exact way she did (just well
>before she existed), both of us genuine, i have a difficult
>time hearing her say she created hip-hop and I'm just
>appropriating it from her.
>
>When people talk about culture, do cats even have an accurate
>concept of what culture is and how it works?
>
>Culture is what's around you, what you're exposed to, what you
>engage in. The reason why cheesemaking is tied to French or
>Italian people is that they are known to partake in it. But an
>Italian person born tomorrow doesn't get to tell some Asian
>cat from Vermont they are stealing cheese. Culture is not
>determined in anybody's genetics or DNA. Its about what's in
>your life. Any of you who have long loved eating lo mein, lo
>mein is part of your culture. You're not Chinese, but one day
>when ppl look back, lo mein is going to also be associated
>with your corner.
>
>If you want to lament too many white artists winning Grammy's,
>well first of all the Grammys suck. They never actually pick
>the best (fill in blank). There's no expectation among serious
>ppl that they do. They are shit and don't mean shit and
>certainly don't represent music, the general audience and
>definitely not hip hop heads. Second, there's a shitload of
>white ppl who grew up on hip-hop or some portion of it, like
>rap music. So its inevitable due to natural expansion of
>cultural components.
>
>Part of being relevant is casting a larger net. The more
>people who have been exposed and affected by hip-hop, the more
>people there are for whom aspects of hip-hop is a real part of
>their culture. That's not culture smudging, culture vulturing,
>its a culture expanding and diffusing. Welcome to planet
>Earth. Every cultural thing that doesn't die quick will travel
>and bind itself into the cultures of new people in new ways.
>And it begins to morph and branch and become at some point so
>splintered and different from the "root source" (which is
>never itself really a root source) that various branches are
>unrecognizable. At certain points along the flow and exchange
>of human activity and taste we call "culture" names are given
>to said moment/shape that help to speak on it, but also codify
>it in an artificial way.
>
>I dont get to claim the achievement and cultural impact of the
>Wright brothers. When Azaelia flies to a concert, she isn't
>jacking avionics from me, and Macklemore isn't jacking hip-hop
>from her. She didn't invent anything.
>
>Does a hypothetical black 20-year-old rapper from Illinois
>really get to tell one of those early white graf writers and
>breakers who used to frequent Kool Herc's old parties that
>"you're appropriateling my culture?" Please
>


You're trivializing the argument.

It doesn't matter if someone is born tomorrow or is 40. Black Music is Black Music. This is our culture.

This doesn't erase the fact that Macklemore and Iggy rap in a black accent.

Sure no one takes the Grammy's seriously, but the problem is this isn't even about the Grammy's at all. It's about the industry. And this doesn't just happen in Hip Hop, it happens in Rock and Roll, Jazz, R&B, etc.

in the realm of hip-hop, every blk person is "made"

crazy shit is, it's easy as fuck for blk folks to wrap our minds around limits, b/c our world has so many of them

if i'm on the other side of 8 mile, i can gauge whether or not id be welcome inside just by looking at the OUTSIDE a business, building, etc.

hip-hop is a welcoming house, but unless you're black - you can't go in the basement.

nas is down there recording N.I.G.G.E.R.

There are some bad analogies imo going on regarding "outsiders" claiming ownership from "insiders" of a culture.

First,

She's upset to the point of tears that white ppl are rapping and receiving awards.

Not a single one of them ever told her "Hip-hop is mine, back off, its not yours"

So the analogies of telling Italian ppl in their home to step out of the kitchen so you can show them how spaghetti is made is not what's going on here. What's going on is you decide to bottle your mom's "famous" pasta sauce, people LOVE it and then random 20-y/o italian chicks on Long Island start blaming you for stealing their creation.

She's pretty explicit in saying hip-hop should be racially exclusive. Which brings me to...

Second, people are conflating the elements of hip-hop with the entirety of the black experience. So speaking english poetry in rhythmical patterns is claiming ownership of the black experience. Scratching records is claiming ownership of the black experience. Graf, Breaking, etc. How is even this the case when the elements themselves were born in a multiracial context?

she's upset that those awards aren't well-earned.

My response wasn't about Iggy as much as it was about you and how you brought up your stake and claim into hip-hop and brought out the old manifest destiny to claim it for the world.

>There are some bad analogies imo going on regarding
>"outsiders" claiming ownership from "insiders" of a culture.
>
>First,
>
>She's upset to the point of tears that white ppl are rapping
>and receiving awards.

There is a long history of the Grammys preferencing white artist awards for doing black music while shunning black folks from rap to r&b to hip-hop. Award shows, just like the music industry is highly radicalized and anti-black to boot. Yes, even in the rap category.

>Not a single one of them ever told her "Hip-hop is mine, back
>off, its not yours"
>
>So the analogies of telling Italian ppl in their home to step
>out of the kitchen so you can show them how spaghetti is made
>is not what's going on here. What's going on is you decide to
>bottle your mom's "famous" pasta sauce, people LOVE it and
>then random 20-y/o italian chicks on Long Island start blaming
>you for stealing their creation.


Listen if people only love your "moms famous sauce" only because a non-italian face is on the package and they think that non-italian face makes it taste better, even when it's a shitty sauce.... It's fair game for 20 y/0 italians girls to say, that is fucked up. That's what happens here! Elvis mimics little Richards and black blues singers and the world eats it up, not because Elvis is better or the originator but because he's white!

But my reference to Italians was more about your multiculti fantasy where rap is not black culture. It makes you feel good to believe that but it's not true. He helps you jump from participant to originator... it's self serving. The whole point is that although my black ass family has been making spaghetti for over 70 years, yet it never becomes a black thing or a multi-cultural thing... it remains Italian. I can't say... hey this sauce isn't italian because I've been participating in it. That would be silly. That's what you're doing with hip hop.


>She's pretty explicit in saying hip-hop should be racially
>exclusive. Which brings me to...
>
>Second, people are conflating the elements of hip-hop with the
>entirety of the black experience. So speaking english poetry
>in rhythmical patterns is claiming ownership of the black
>experience.

No, doing it as a response to lived black life and collective black experience is. Founding a whole genre of music on that lived black collective experience is black culture. That's what separates hip-hop from Edgar Allan Poe.

>Scratching records is claiming ownership of the
>black experience.

No, you don't get scratching as you know it without the black experience. You don't get breaking, you don't get any of it.


Graf, Breaking, etc. How is even this the
>case when the elements themselves were born in a multiracial
>context?

My brother, my brother... you may want to live in your multiculti world where everything black belongs to everyone but black people but that whole idea is born out of white relationship with owner.
At best your overestimating your stake as a participant by about 400 years with a sort of white "one drop rule." At worst your stealing.

Just try to have hip-hop without black people and see what you get.


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I'll try to go through all this at some layer point. Arguing with people who are emotionally invested in you being a culture vulture is tiring.

Participation does not a culture vulture make imho.
It's the "hip-hop isn't black culture" is where bird start picking at the bones.


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And saying hip-hop was a racial mix from the start is nothing but accurate. To say the originators weren't majority black would also be wrong. To say Azaelia Banks can claim to have originated hip hop because she's black is also wrong. To say Kobe Bryant stole basketball from me would be laughable and idiotic. To say one of those original non-black participants at Kool Herc parties or cats bombing 70's NYC were just visitors borrowing from Kendrick Lamar is obnoxiously obtuse.

like specifically... what is black culture?
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Its also overly simplistic to say hip-hop isn't black culture. Or at least *a* black culture. But its not only black. And being black doesn't mean you are automatically credited with its existence.

But this goes more to my general attitude toward language and culture in general. Its a constant morphing living breathing series of events and ideas that pop off under very complex and changing scenarios and continue to morph and evolve and spread and migrate.

I have ancestry of my own that I'm very proud of and that is connected to cultural things that I feel very close to. I still would be wrong to claim it for myself and tell others I created it and they can't get it. Its just not how culture works.

If you are exposed to things and that is what you partook in, the books of the future would look to those things to describe your culture. If a Frankie Scambolini from down the block grew up eating mostly tacos and beef teriyaki, never took to Italian food like his black friend Bobby who loves ziti, then the truth would be Frankie's culture is tacos and teriyaki and Bobby's is ziti. It doesn't matter what their grandparents ate, because the future defines a culture by what people actually DID

Nah...u can throw hip-hop into that mix, too....It's the same as jazz, blues, ect...

U r making a complex issue even more complex...

A. Banks' issues with Iggy are rooted in the historical realization that black/Latino culture can be mocked, demonized, accepted, celebrated, and then finally appropriated by the majority as the original "minority" practitioners are left holding the bag....

Of course A. Banks and others are very emotional when it comes to this subject. Because they can't simply pull off a Pink...

Black culture means more to them than just getting ass shots....

i think it's relevant.

i'm curious about how you define and recognize Black culture.

what does Black culture mean? or mean to you? what is it? what is it to you?

you say jazz is Black culture. how is jazz Black culture?

jazz is Black culture because _______________________.

no snark-- i'd like to know and understand how you'd fill in that blank. if you reply to this-- more than anything, i'd like you to answer your own sense of how/why jazz is Black culture.

>But this goes more to my general attitude toward language and
>culture in general. Its a constant morphing living breathing
>series of events and ideas that pop off under very complex and
>changing scenarios and continue to morph and evolve and spread
>and migrate.

*listening*

>I have ancestry of my own that I'm very proud of and that is
>connected to cultural things that I feel very close to.

that's a beautiful thing.

*listening*

>I still would be wrong to claim it for myself and tell others I
>created it and they can't get it. Its just not how culture
>works.

*listening*

as a Black woman, i don't reach the same conclusions.

perhaps this is ground where there is a cultural point of difference and not simply "how things work"--

i'm proud of my ancestry and feel connected to "cultural things", as well.

but i do claim my culture and "cultural things" as my own because someone gave it to me-- they passed it to me as a gift (often with the express and explicit hope that the gift would continue, grow, express).

it's mine.

i inherited it. in some instances, with specific wisdom, stories, and input from those who gave me the gift.

it's up to me to be a good steward. to remember those who gave the gift and to contribute to the continuation of the gift in a meaningful way that honors and remembers those who came before me and those who will live after me...people who i will *GIVE* "cultural things" to.

so to say it's MINE--*i* is WE. and we is *i*.

so YES-- if anyone can and can't say what is and isn't?--it's ME. US. the gift is mine/ours to do with what we will.

to even have to say that is mind blowing.

i get the undercurrent of azaelea banks' frustration.

if the gift is being exploited, misused, disrespected, misrepresented? YES Black people need to say so!!! they need to say so, no matter what race/culture/nationality the disrespect may occur. that's the decent thing to do. the respectful thing.

it keeps everybody honest.

Black people, consciously and unconsciously, have SHARED their GIFTS with the world.

i think it's great that you feel connected to Black culture and art forms-- that you engage and participate. of course, you don't need my permission to do that. nor do i want you to ask or think you should have to seek permission from me or any other Black person. NO BLACK PERSON, at least not one that i've encountered (grant it, i don't know all Black people etc) wants or is asking specific non-Blacks or groups of non-Blacks to do or be anything other than who or what they are when encountering and submerging themselves in Black culture.

the idea that cultural STEWARDSHIP is harmful is unfortunate.

for me?

if anyone wants to engage Black culture go for it.

but YES i WILL say something when the culture is represented or misunderstood in crazy or problematic ways.

mindblowing to me as well, that those who profess interest in the culture would be defensive about stewardship or requests that one, indeed, DOES represent the actual culture. but that's too much like right.

note: people have done whatever they wanted and pushed a lot of provocative creative and expressive boundaries (Black and otherwise) in ways that DO represent and engage in conversation with Black culture.

> If a Frankie Scambolini from down the block grew
>up eating mostly tacos and beef teriyaki, never took to
>Italian food like his black friend Bobby who loves ziti, then
>the truth would be Frankie's culture is tacos and teriyaki and
>Bobby's is ziti.

i disagree.

>It doesn't matter what their grandparents ate,

from my cultural perspective as a Black woman, it DOES matter.

>because the future defines a culture by what people actually DID

i don't understand what you mean.

nor do i think it's true that the future defines a culture by what a people may have actually done.

if so, i think the difficult political and racial climate in the states wouldn't be so strident and heated. for starters, there would be justice.

>i think it's relevant.
>
>i'm curious about how you define and recognize Black culture.
>
>what does Black culture mean? or mean to you? what is it? what
>is it to you?
>
>you say jazz is Black culture. how is jazz Black culture?
>
>jazz is Black culture because _______________________.
>
>no snark-- i'd like to know and understand how you'd fill in
>that blank. if you reply to this-- more than anything, i'd
>like you to answer your own sense of how/why jazz is Black
>culture.
:
Its important to understand, and maybe I wasn't emphasizing this enough, that, on the point of whether its black culture, I'm questioning whether its a culture with exclusively black origins, not whether hip-hop is part of a rich black culture (obviously it is) or whether it would be the same without black people or black culture (obviously it would not).

When I look at how jazz or blues or funk came about, it seems so much more straightforward. Those movements were born among virtually nothing but black people, and others showed up after. When you listen to Kool Herc and his ppl tell stories of the first hip-hop gatherings in the Bronx and what the crowd looked like, or when you look at who was out there tagging/bombing in the 60s-70s, or where some elements that merged into b-boying came from, etc, it was majority black but much more diverse that those other movements (being NYC and not the deep south, this isn't surprising).

So is it part of black culture? Of course. Is it deeply tied to other aspects of black culture? Yes. In that sense, id call it black culture. But I think its also part of New York culture, I think its part of the culture of everyone who was engaged in it. To a New Yorker in the earliest beginnings, it was probably considered Bronx culture or what have you. To an Australian in 2014 its considered american culture. Similar to how we consider an italian dish to be Italian when at the time of its inception, italians would consider it belonging to whichever neighborhood in Italy birthed it...it starts with one or a few people, spreads around town, then fills the region, then fills the globe. The distinction between Italy and Southern France is mostly arbitrary/legal, not necessarily cultural. Why? Natural cultural spread and pollination. The distinction between that relationship and America-to-Italy is at that point just gradient/scale. Thus pasta is part of ziti-loving Jim O'Leary's culture who grew up on the stuff from his pasta-loving Irish mom in Rhode Island.

While things like jazz/blues/funk sprung right out of all-black gatherings, black churches or all-black segregated circles pulling almost exclusively from prior black movements, Hip-hop was an urban melange from the jump, and the elements came from everything from funk to chinese kung-fu to west-coast mexican pop-locking to Jamaican style dance parties to greek and puerto rican kids with spray cans etc. Even the earliest pioneers of sampling weren't all black.

Virtually everything that distinguishes blues/jazz/funk from other musical forms comes directly out of the black experience. There's nothing intrinsically or specifically black about graffiti or practicing kung fu moves you saw in a movie while listening to music. Black kids did it. So did other kids. Or sampling. Or even rhyming in rhythmic cadence within a song.


>>I still would be wrong to claim it for myself and tell others
>I
>>created it and they can't get it. Its just not how culture
>>works.
>
>*listening*
>
>as a Black woman, i don't reach the same conclusions.
>
>perhaps this is ground where there is a cultural point of
>difference and not simply "how things work"--
>
>i'm proud of my ancestry and feel connected to "cultural
>things", as well.
>
>but i do claim my culture and "cultural things" as my own
>because someone gave it to me-- they passed it to me as a gift
>(often with the express and explicit hope that the gift would
>continue, grow, express).
>
>it's mine.
:
I get that and respect that. I'd add that I think this feeling is found among people of all cultures to a degree, sometimes beautiful and sometimes unhealthy. That feeling that culture connects you directly to your ancestors and thus the feeling of possessiveness. I remember my little sister as a teenager getting really upset when her Mexican best friend since babyhood told her "nah, pesto tortellini is my favorite dish" (oversimplifying only slightly) and my sister felt like her gift from our elders was being put on the line lol. Add the fact that black people have had so much taken from you, etc etc.


>i inherited it. in some instances, with specific wisdom,
>stories, and input from those who gave me the gift.
:
I suppose this is where I push back but only slightly. I'm sure YOU inherited those things of your ancestors, but I'm not totally sure where I stand when it comes to anyone of an ancestry inheriting everything their ancestors were into. Because, while its a beautiful thought, it would also be a very very large amount of things and how does it happen and how many ancestors deep does it stop?

Generally though I think it's cool to just accept the idea so people can claim to be part of things we feel connected to in our roots. But I might feel connected to some shit from French, Caribbean, Swiss or Italian culture only to find out my ancestors had nothing to do with that thing, and that's only a delay in the inevitable reality that even if they did, I did not.

But the other part of this I push back slightly is with hip-hop being something ONLY black people inherited, or even something inherited at all when its so recent. Like, if Azaelia Banks wants hip-hop to be Black and Black only and wants to have higher claim to it by virtue of her Blackness than some of the original hip-hoppers who were Mexican or Greek or whatnot, I have a hard time seeing where that even makes sense, never mind how those OGs are supposed to accept that and defer to her on all matters hip hop.


>it's up to me to be a good steward. to remember those who gave
>the gift and to contribute to the continuation of the gift in
>a meaningful way that honors and remembers those who came
>before me and those who will live after me...people who i will
>*GIVE* "cultural things" to.
>
>so to say it's MINE--*i* is WE. and we is *i*.
>
>so YES-- if anyone can and can't say what is and isn't?--it's
>ME. US. the gift is mine/ours to do with what we will.
:
I feel you when it comes to griot, but graf? Not seeing it.


>i get the undercurrent of azaelea banks' frustration.
>
>if the gift is being exploited, misused, disrespected,
>misrepresented? YES Black people need to say so!!! they need
>to say so, no matter what race/culture/nationality the
>disrespect may occur. that's the decent thing to do. the
>respectful thing.
:
Absolutely! But

A: I think all hip-hoppers or ppl who care about it need to say so when a gift is being exploited/disrespected.

B: I truly don't believe she was simply mad about it being abused or misused. She's been going exclusively at white artists, including cats who are doing it with respect and trying to uplift (Macklemore).

C: Culture is like language. Loving it is a double edged sword, because it can't be contained once its breathed into existence and "corruption", adoption, dilution, splintering and transformation is an INEVITABLE part of its existence. That's how new culture and language arises. Gatekeepers of language purity tend to live in heavy frustration watching Latin get destroyed by the Gauls and Franks, turned into French who now cringe at the slightest grammatical faux pas.

Before hip-hop had its own name, it was just seen as a complete corruption of every name-having thing that it took from. Corruption of the poetry, corruption of musicianship, corruption of funk, of fine art, of typography, of dancing, of martial arts, etc. As much as we LOVE hip-hop, we cannot avoid seeing people do new shitty things with it until someone does something inspired with that new shitty thing and it becomes worthy of its own name. You could say, " easy for you to sat white man" but its not easy for me to say because my heart is in this. I just won't be in denial that culture is nothing more than a constant flow of morphing forms of expression and influence that lucks out and gets an official name at certain points of the journey. But I CRINGE when I hear about a hip-hop dance class or listen to 10 seconds of Iggy Azalea.

D: when is rhyming over music hip-hop and when is it so different that it's just part of the much much longer tradition of all kinds of humans rhyming things to music? Is Iggy hip-hop or is she just Iggy?



>it keeps everybody honest.
>
>Black people, consciously and unconsciously, have SHARED their
>GIFTS with the world.
>
>i think it's great that you feel connected to Black culture
>and art forms-- that you engage and participate. of course,
>you don't need my permission to do that. nor do i want you to
>ask or think you should have to seek permission from me or any
>other Black person. NO BLACK PERSON, at least not one that
>i've encountered (grant it, i don't know all Black people etc)
>wants or is asking specific non-Blacks or groups of non-Blacks
>to do or be anything other than who or what they are when
>encountering and submerging themselves in Black culture.
>
>the idea that cultural STEWARDSHIP is harmful is unfortunate.
>
>for me?
>
>if anyone wants to engage Black culture go for it.
>
>but YES i WILL say something when the culture is represented
>or misunderstood in crazy or problematic ways.
:
I feel you.


>mindblowing to me as well, that those who profess interest in
>the culture would be defensive about stewardship or requests
>that one, indeed, DOES represent the actual culture. but
>that's too much like right.
:
I'm not defensive at all about stewardship of hip-hop culture. Yes, I think its important for everyone's sanity to remind ourselves that this is what culture does. It warps, jumps ship, becomes contagious, splinters, etc. But me? I'm very sensitive about hip-hop and seeing it misrepresented because I love it. That also goes to the only thing I'm defensive about, and that's a woman 10 years my junior saying I'm stealing it from her and a bunch of people I respect co-signing her. The reason I took it a bit personally is because if a dude as respectful and honest as a Macklemore is in the crosshairs, then that's just now about saying all white hip-hoppers are frauds and thieves.



>
>note: people have done whatever they wanted and pushed a lot
>of provocative creative and expressive boundaries (Black and
>otherwise) in ways that DO represent and engage in
>conversation with Black culture.
:
Understood and agreed


>> If a Frankie Scambolini from down the block grew
>>up eating mostly tacos and beef teriyaki, never took to
>>Italian food like his black friend Bobby who loves ziti,
>then
>>the truth would be Frankie's culture is tacos and teriyaki
>and
>>Bobby's is ziti.
>
>i disagree.
>
>>It doesn't matter what their grandparents ate,
>
>from my cultural perspective as a Black woman, it DOES
>matter.
:
K



>>because the future defines a culture by what people actually
>DID
>
>i don't understand what you mean.
>
>nor do i think it's true that the future defines a culture by
>what a people may have actually done.
>
>if so, i think the difficult political and racial climate in
>the states wouldn't be so strident and heated. for starters,
>there would be justice.
:
I'm not talking at all about the glaring bias in history books etc.

What I'm getting at is everything that is considered X culture is based on what X people enjoyed doing etc. When noodles are brought to Italy from China , everyone in Italy was like "that's not Italian culture, that's Chinese" ...then more Italians take a liking to the noodles, start doing their own thing with them, and we look at Italian culture and include pasta in our picture .

It doesn't even have to be that elaborate. Culture is how people live. We don't define Irish culture by their ancient ancient Ethiopian roots. We define them by what they do. And that is changing. In the future, ideas about what Japanese culture is all about will be drastically different from how people 200 years ago defined it. Many of those new things that define their culture came from elsewhere, were adopted, and now that's their lifestyle and thus will be seen as their culture.

Heritage and culture aren't the same thing. Culture is what you do, heritage is what your predecessors did. Cultural heritage is what you receive from them. You will be absorbing new culture in addition to that heritage, from unique outside sources, and that will be what your grandkids argue about as their culture and heritage.

>And saying hip-hop was a racial mix from the start is nothing
>but accurate. To say the originators weren't majority black
>would also be wrong.


The only racial mix hip-hop can be boiled down to from the start is Blacks and Latinos....

And to the majority, especially in the '70s with the backdrop of the Bronx: blackouts, drugs, and parts of an impoverished borough literally burning down---Blacks and Latinos were viewed as the same:

Niggers....

That's really all that matters. Could the remaining multicultural participants you mentioned create the same thing without any black involvement?

>My response wasn't about Iggy as much as it was about you and
>how you brought up your stake and claim into hip-hop and
>brought out the old manifest destiny to claim it for the
>world.
:
Manifest destiny? Really?



>There is a long history of the Grammys preferencing white
>artist awards for doing black music while shunning black folks
>from rap to r&b to hip-hop. Award shows, just like the music
>industry is highly radicalized and anti-black to boot. Yes,
>even in the rap category.
:
I agree 100%. And thus the Grammy's etc have zero standing among serious music lovers.



>Listen if people only love your "moms famous sauce" only
>because a non-italian face is on the package and they think
>that non-italian face makes it taste better, even when it's a
>shitty sauce.... It's fair game for 20 y/0 italians girls to
>say, that is fucked up. That's what happens here! Elvis
>mimics little Richards and black blues singers and the world
>eats it up, not because Elvis is better or the originator but
>because he's white!
:
A. She wasn't just mad at racist Grammy's ppl, she was mad at actual artists for partaking in the art. Saying they stole it from her.

B. The idea that people can't possibly like Macklemore aside from his whiteness is extremely bias and cynical. I don't really follow him but I thought the fact that he made a couple catchy pop friendly rap songs that actually dealt with the cultural pressures of consumerism was a damn commendable artistic feat. Getting ppl to feel cool about going to goodwill etc. To say he got love ONLY cuz he's a white face is ridiculous.



>But my reference to Italians was more about your multiculti
>fantasy where rap is not black culture. It makes you feel
>good to believe that but it's not true. He helps you jump from
>participant to originator... it's self serving.
:
When the in the entire hell did I ever claim to be the originator of hip-hop? That's the most obscenely strawman shit I've heard yet. I'm a participant. She's a participant. Neither of us are oroginators. That simple.


>The whole
>point is that although my black ass family has been making
>spaghetti for over 70 years, yet it never becomes a black
>thing or a multi-cultural thing... it remains Italian.
:
Its italian, but its also part of the culture of many non-italians. The same way noodles were Asian until someone from Italy put their own twist on it and made something new, and then everyone in Italy tasted it and did it themselves, it expanded from one guy to an entire country and region in southrrn europe, then to everyone in America who discovered it the same way people in various parts of Italy did. From someone else, from a nearby restaurant or from their folks. Having an intimate personal understanding of what its like to be Italian is not what pasta is, even though pasta can enrich the experience of being Italian.

But...

>I can't
>say... hey this sauce isn't italian because I've been
>participating in it. That would be silly. That's what you're
>doing with hip hop.
:
You would almost have a point if hip-hop was exclusively black in its roots. Its pretty much agreed that blues and jazz were. Its assumed that spaghetti is exclusively Italian in its roots (though that is untrue), but hip-hop? Hip-hop was a blend from the jump.

But let's pretend all the original breakers, graf writers, people to rhyme in rhythmic patterns over music, etc were black. Let's pretend the various Latinos and Greeks and others who were there at the start didn't exist. That still puts the origination of hip hop squarely on THOSE people. I can't say to Rajon Rondo or Magic Johnson "I created basketball, you're a guest". I did no such fucking thing. They are as basketball as anyone can be.


>>She's pretty explicit in saying hip-hop should be racially
>>exclusive. Which brings me to...
>>
>>Second, people are conflating the elements of hip-hop with
>the
>>entirety of the black experience. So speaking english poetry
>>in rhythmical patterns is claiming ownership of the black
>>experience.
>
>No, doing it as a response to lived black life and collective
>black experience is. Founding a whole genre of music on that
>lived black collective experience is black culture. That's
>what separates hip-hop from Edgar Allan Poe.
:
But these white rappers aren't doing it as a response to lived black life. Just as early non-black graf writers weren't doing it as a response to lived black life. Just as many black rappers and DJs from the beginning were motivated by basic things that motivated their other nonblack friends who came by to the parties. Having fun, listening to music, messing with mics and records and staying out of trouble.

I've been told that personally by ppl who were there.



>>Scratching records is claiming ownership of the
>>black experience.
>
>No, you don't get scratching as you know it without the black
>experience.
:
That's ridiculous on so many levels. But my point is that engaging in the activity does not mean you are then saying "I own the black experience". But give me a break.


>You don't get breaking, you don't get any of it.
:
You are stretching so badly.

It would take the same leap of logic to claim you don't get basketball or airplanes without the white experience and thus all white people originated flight and hoops.



>My brother, my brother... you may want to live in your
>multiculti world where everything black belongs to everyone
>but black people but that whole idea is born out of white
>relationship with owner.
:
No, the idea that culture is something that migrates and morphs and spreads and is only named and codified in order to point things out comes from anthropology. My point is none of us can claim special credits for things someone else in our ethnic inner circle did. If I discovered soccer or baroque music the same way you did, our claim to its existence is identically zero.


>At best your overestimating your stake as a participant by
>about 400 years with a sort of white "one drop rule." At worst
>your stealing.
>
>Just try to have hip-hop without black people and see what you
>get.
:
Another BS statement. Who the fuck is saying there should be hip hop without black people? And who is saying that hip hop would have been what it is without the specific black people who were crucial to it? Nobody. I'm only saying that hip hop would have been pretty much the same without Azaelia Banks or Macklemore.

>Its italian, but its also part of the culture of many
>non-italians.


Ok, so Hip Hop is Black, but it's also part of the culture of man non-Blacks.
Just so we're clear it's Black.


>The same way noodles were Asian until someone
>from Italy put their own twist on it and made something new,
>and then everyone in Italy tasted it and did it themselves, it
>expanded from one guy to an entire country and region in
>southrrn europe, then to everyone in America who discovered it
>the same way people in various parts of Italy did. From
>someone else, from a nearby restaurant or from their folks.
>Having an intimate personal understanding of what its like to
>be Italian is not what pasta is, even though pasta can enrich
>the experience of being Italian.


Pasta is an element. The way you prepare the pasta is what makes it Italian.
Just like drums and turntables are elements. The way you use them is what makes
them Hip Hop. And since we agree that Hip Hop is Black, what is the point you're making?

if nothing else, they are thought provoking and it's good to have an honest discussion.

however, i think you're not exactly understanding why Banks is upset and that's typical of the white disconnect. i don't think it's something you can truly understand unless you're black.

but then I'd like some better clarification if possible. Because if she wants racial exclusively in hip hop, or if she wants someone like myself to feel bad for doing what I love, I can't accept that.

And the way she put it, sounded like she was mad at these cats for existing in hip hop.

I get how Iggy would make anyone cringe, especially the accent, though she's so far removed from the American experience, it's conceivable she doesn't even know what she's doing beyond trying to sound like an American rapper. Or maybe its deliberate blackface.

But she seems to be mad at way more than that. She seems upset ppl are even part of this.

But to say there are things about the black experience that nonblack ppl don't understand? I can't really protest that.

it sounds like you are upset that your membership is being scrutinized and that's understandable

she's not upset that u or iggy "exists"

she's upset that she's getting preferential treatment, posing, and seems completely unwilling to even acknowledge that the unfairness exists

if u stop being offended that "u too wrote rhymes before she was born" u would realize that that doesn't mean shit...she's not questioning whether you should have done that...she's saying there's a price to pay when u start profiting from that

odd that u lump jazz and blues as something culturally black but not hip-hop though it's birth is eerily similar

it's the unapologetic profiting that is the issue...partake...enjoy...but be humble enough and aware enough to know just how privileged you are to be stepping over the deserving simply bc you have white skin

>it's the unapologetic profiting that is the
>issue...partake...enjoy...but be humble enough and aware
>enough to know just how privileged you are to be stepping over
>the deserving simply bc you have white skin

Perfectly stated. That's all it is. Not sure why some white people can't understand this.

>it sounds like you are upset that your membership is being
>scrutinized and that's understandable
>
>she's not upset that u or iggy "exists"
>
>she's upset that she's getting preferential treatment, posing,
>and seems completely unwilling to even acknowledge that the
>unfairness exists
>
>if u stop being offended that "u too wrote rhymes before she
>was born" u would realize that that doesn't mean shit...she's
>not questioning whether you should have done that...she's
>saying there's a price to pay when u start profiting from
>that
>
>odd that u lump jazz and blues as something culturally black
>but not hip-hop though it's birth is eerily similar
>
>it's the unapologetic profiting that is the
>issue...partake...enjoy...but be humble enough and aware
>enough to know just how privileged you are to be stepping over
>the deserving simply bc you have white skin

This^^^^^is it...

yep

white people imitate, black people innovate the culture. it's impossible to deny there is no reason to as well.

she is right about everything she said regarding the industry, i'm not sure about any of the other stuff though.

I like her passion and candor, I can relate to it. I don't agree with everything she says but I don't expect to; I still respect her points. I'm impressed how well she articulates herself at 23yo.

....She makes me laugh. She talks her REAL shit and doesn't give a fuck what anyone says....

She ain't trying to get along just to get along....

When's the last time ANYONE on hot 97 mentioned such a thing!?! What a blow to hit someone with. SMH

And that part about the sound fx making TI's wife look dumb as rocks. Lol damn she went hard, but she was valid too.

I think her talent, vision, and success have outpaced her maturity. We're seeing a young person act out her frustrations with a rigged musical industry that's based on America's soulless economic system and racial hierarchy. Most of us aren't brave or honest or smart enough to stand up for something we really believe in in our respective industries. But when she grows up, she is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

>I think her talent, vision, and success have outpaced her
>maturity. We're seeing a young person act out her frustrations
>with a rigged musical industry that's based on America's
>soulless economic system and racial hierarchy. Most of us
>aren't brave or honest or smart enough to stand up for
>something we really believe in in our respective industries.
>But when she grows up, she is going to be a force to be
>reckoned with.




^^^^^This

Just because we are cynical asshoes and she takes it another level doens't make it less valid. Hell, ive been annoyed at her twitter antics and this won me over.

Rather have this then carefully calculated PR speak.


Also Ebro fucking sucks.

this shit hurts our souls, some times makes us shed a tear in the privacy of our homes

but we call her crazy cause she's doing it in public?

what you and Goldmine said on 1000

No message

have to come by with a stick and nudge you so you roll over and don't suffocate on your own tongue?'

Then every time they'd play a snippet of one of her songs...well, I'm glad they just played the snippets and not the full songs lol. Now, I don't know what the general consensus is surrounding THAT facet of her career, but...that might just be the elephant in the room when it comes to discussing her success, etc.

since much of her songs have danceable beats and she sings, but it's firmly in an underground house/dance camp and her vocals are solid...it's like if you took 90's boom bap rap and 90's r&b and married it to the 80's hip-house movement. Basically a modern day Monie Love

If you like dance music, you will def like her.
If you like mc's who spit, you will like her.

Difficult part to wrap your mind about it is that the beats are def. not made for rapping, but she's so dexteritous with her flow she makes it work

Those were my thoughts exactly. Overall, her music sounds exciting and engaging.

really loving her albums.

where DeadZombie at?
bring the yellow tape...

yoooooo

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

But youd have to leave her right after because she'd probably swing on you for something you have no idea you did.

every single one of us

I dont see how she'll survive the backlash. She probably did a good number on Iggy and the other dude's careers too

and she has been damaging her own career for so long that this won't really hurt it. If anything, it helps her career.

A lot of people in here thought she was batshit and this interview won them over.

Don't agree with everything, but I get her disgust with the industry. She might be a little late for trying to save hip hop though. Iggy is kind of the nail in the coffin.

I'm disappointed that someone like Q-Tip doesn't see this as an obvious cry for attention (one that is working extremely well)

The Bronson exchange was ridiculous... every word he said was fair and twisted into being racist somehow... while every tweet from her was based on him being white, can't have it both ways Azealia... I was rooting for this chick to win too because her album is good


@rob_starrk

Ghostface cover band has nothing to do with his color.

that was kind of funny because you know it actually hurt him lol


@rob_starrk

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.

d

but yes I find her interesting and talented. she's been my 2nd favorite new rapper since late 2011

I like her a lot. Very rare to hear someone address so many topics on an interesting level.

I enjoyed the main interviewer as well.

Overall, she needs to get on people's radar and the best way to do so is to go after the top. I hope she makes it. Her music doesn't appeal to me.

She is the new generation and I hope she partners with Kanye or someone who can help her get mainstream.

Im beyond impressed.

Ebro is such a smart-dumb dbag.

And the T.I. shit was fucking golden.

I gave the album a spin when it dropped because y'all hyping it and was a bit "meh". Wasn't what I was expected.

But a couple of the song stuck in the back of my mind and when I heard Soda recently it clicked.

Now that I get what she was trying to create (which isn't what I expected or was looking for), I can see that she masterfully executed her vision.

She is the opposite of a Iggy Azeala or even a Nicki Minaj in that she is the master of her vision and created an album from what she wanted to hear and not what she thinks we or the industry expects from her.

I had to "work" to "get" the album and now that I do I appreciate the return on my "work".


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

Also love Yung Rapunxel.

She needs to drop that in the spring or summer
I liked Wallace too

But soda...that's needs to be a single

but even the less approachable jams work for me

cept for nude beach a gogo lol

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7358014/azealia-banks-endorses-donald-trump-president

When her melodies are on, they're really on.

nm

She thinks Zayn and X jacked her video lol what an idiot. Zayn refused to @ her and she got mad...where are the people trying to defend this idiot, oh she's still not crazy? I totally see why Rocky was laughing on hot97 when she first started bubbling and they asked him about her (she dated one of those ASAP dudes before she popped off)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3583868/Rapper-Azealia-Banks-launches-foul-mouthed-tirade-against-Zayn-Malik-accuses-plagiarising-work-new-music-video.html

https://twitter.com/AZEALIABANKS/status/730237893910876160

Maybe *you* didn't but *I* sure as fuck did.

So no, "we" didn't. You may have, but not "we".

http://pitchfork.com/news/69687-azealia-banks-to-trump-im-fucking-proud-as-fuck-of-you/?mbid=social_facebook

wow.

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!

but you could remove every other toxic & negative she's done and this alone would discredit her