http://gawker.com/darren-wilsons-key-witness-was-bipolar-racist-liar-1671681384

Yeah...I'm looking for perjury charges. Federal charges!

Man, I hope that someone can get a microphone in his face and ask him about this.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/11/26/giuliani_prosecute_grand_jury_witnesses_for_perjury.html

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NYC MAYOR: Here's the amazing thing. I read some of the testimony today. If you look at witness number ten, not identified by name or by race, but I'm pretty sure an African-American from the discussion. He corroborates every single thing that that officer just said including the fact that no one put their hands up. In fact, he came forward because he was angry and offended that people were lying about the fact that he was shot in the back and that Brown had put his hands up.

MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS: Wow, that's amazing.

GIULIANI: And he describes exactly the same thing. The reaching in, the shooting, the fact that the police officer got out of the car. The police officer yelled to Brown. Brown, instead of stopping, ran toward him. The police officer shot him two or three times. When Brown stopped, the police officer stopped shooting. And all of a sudden Brown put his head down and came at the police officer, he said, something like a bull, you know, with his head down as if to come right into him. And that's when the fatal shots were probably shot into the -- and he came forward because he was so offended by the lies that were being told. You remember, there were four witnesses who said that Brown was shot in the back.

KELLY: Not true.

GIULIANI: Which are total lies. If that's --

KELLY: One said that the cop -- Officer Wilson was standing over him shooting him.

GIULIANI: Yes, totally untrue. So again disproven completely by the autopsy and the forensics. I mean, I disagree with the prosecutor on only one thing. I would prosecute all those people for perjury.

KELLY: Wow, really?

GIULIANI: Well, I mean, to testify falsely in a case in which you can put a man in jail for the rest of his life is an extremely serious --

KELLY: But you know how unreliable eyewitness testimony is. I mean, I think his belief is according to him is, it's just unreliable and so these people may believe they saw what they didn't see.

GIULIANI: It's not unreliable. These are people who were friends of his, these are people who have an ax to grind. You know, it's not unreliable that you think you saw hands go up when in fact his hands were down all the time.

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shit pissed me off. she was hannity's favorite witness to quote.
not sure if this case can be reopened or if the feds can do
something about this thing...shits a travesty

Oh it can be reopened, not sure of what the process in order to get around the local prosecutor but it ain't over

I still don't understand why every option that was on the table from day 1

still isn't available

Darren Wilson was never charged with a crime

re-examined. can another grand jury take a look?

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will it happen?

from what i can tell that's up to the STL County prosecutor - the same office that presented the Wilson case at the GJ the first time. based on the shenanigans w/the first presentation and the aftermath i doubt there will be a second presentation.

it's not clear whether under Missouri law the gov can't kick the STL County prosecutor's office off the case but it's clear the office can recuse via the main prosecutor, McCulloch. McCulloch didn't recuse the first time and i doubt he would a second time. but maybe. if the gov kicks him off the case that could give Wilson an appeal issue if he's later charged and/or convicted. that could be why the gov hasn't kicked the prosecutor off the case. i dunno.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-governor-wont-seek-recusal-of-prosecutor-in-ferguson-case/

prosecutor

when he declared a state of emergency

the governor actually gave himself the power to assign a special prosecutor

back in August

but, of course, he didn't

I don't remember if another state of emergency was declared after the no bill

or if it is still enacted

but it's obvious nobody in Missouri in power is interested in justice

>prosecutor
>
>when he declared a state of emergency
>
>the governor actually gave himself the power to assign a
>special prosecutor

no, he didn't.

http://www.newsweek.com/gov-jay-nixon-wont-replace-controversial-prosecutor-michael-brown-case-265756

the gov pointed to a mechanism in the law that allows a special prosecutor to be appointed after the elected prosecutor recuses him or herself. and went on to say that removing the prosecutor could inject "legal uncertainty" in the process, which seems to be the reason the gov didn't just remove the prosecutor himself. i understand "legal uncertainty" to mean that the gov wasn't able to cite an enforceable law that would give him the authority to remove the prosecutor in this case. at minimum his doing so could've handed Wilson an appeal issue should Wilson have lost at trial. that's probably the "legal uncertainty" the gov referenced, but i'm not sure.

>but it's obvious nobody in Missouri in power is interested in
>justice

it's intensely frustrating.

http://patdollard.com/2014/09/governor-lifts-ferguson-state-of-emergency-ending-possibility-of-special-prosecutor/

The emergency order also invoked a power Nixon ultimately chose not to use, in defiance of strong pressure from Brown’s advocates: the authority to replace McCulloch with a special prosecutor to lead the grand jury investigation into Brown’s death.
Read more at http://patdollard.com/2014/09/governor-lifts-ferguson-state-of-emergency-ending-possibility-of-special-prosecutor/#02Rkmef7qURubaGe.99

i think this is the statute that spells out the governor's emergency powers. it's not clear from reading this that he had the authority to remove the prosecutor. can you find something more clear?

http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/04400001001.HTML

Emergency powers of governor.

44.100. 1. The emergency powers of the governor shall be as follows:

(1) The provisions of this section shall be operative only during the existence of a state of emergency (referred to in this section as "emergency"). The existence of an emergency may be proclaimed by the governor or by resolution of the legislature, if the governor in his proclamation, or the legislature in its resolution, finds that a natural or man-made disaster of major proportions has actually occurred within this state, and that the safety and welfare of the inhabitants of this state require an invocation of the provisions of this section;

(2) Any emergency, whether proclaimed by the governor or by the legislature, shall terminate upon the proclamation thereof by the governor, or the passage by the legislature, of a resolution terminating such emergency;

(3) During the period that the state of emergency exists or continues, the governor shall:

(a) Enforce and put into operation all plans, rules and regulations relating to disasters and emergency management of resources adopted under this law and to assume direct operational control of all emergency forces and volunteers in the state;

(b) Take action and give directions to state and local law enforcement officers and agencies as may be reasonable and necessary for the purpose of securing compliance with the provisions of this law and with the orders, rules and regulations made pursuant thereof;

(c) Seize, take or requisition to the extent necessary to bring about the most effective protection of the public:

a. Any means of transportation, other than railroads and railroad equipment and fuel, and all fuel necessary for the propulsion thereof;

b. Any communication system or part thereof necessary to the prompt and efficient functioning of the emergency management of the state;

c. All stocks of fuel;

d. Facilities for housing, feeding and hospitalization of persons, including buildings and plants;

(d) Control, restrict and regulate by rationing, freezing, use of quotas, prohibitions on shipments, price fixing, allocation or other means the use, sale or distribution of food, feed, fuel, clothing and other commodities, materials, goods or services;

(e) Prescribe and direct activities in connection with but not limited to use, conservation, salvage and prevention of waste of materials, services and facilities, including production, transportation, power and communication facilities, training and supply of labor, utilization of industrial plants, health and medical care, nutrition, housing, including the use of existing and private facilities, rehabilitation, education, welfare, child care, recreation, consumer protection and other essential civil needs;

(f) Use or distribute all or any of this property among the inhabitants of the state in any area adversely affected by a natural or man-made disaster and to account to the state treasurer for any funds received thereof;

(g) Waive or suspend the operation of any statutory requirement or administrative rule regarding the licensing, certification or issuance of permits evidencing professional, mechanical or other skills;

(h) Waive or suspend the operation of any statutory requirement or administrative rule prescribing procedures for conducting state business, where strict compliance with such requirements and rules would prevent, hinder, or delay necessary action by the department of health and senior services to respond to a declared emergency or increased health threat to the population;

(i) In accordance with rules or regulations, provide that all law enforcement authorities and other emergency response workers and agencies of other states who may be within this state at the request of the governor or pursuant to state or local mutual-aid agreements or compacts shall have the same authority and possess the same powers, duties, rights, privileges and immunities as are possessed by like law enforcement authorities and emergency response workers and agencies of this state;

(j) Perform and exercise such other functions, powers and duties as may be necessary to promote and secure the safety and protection of the civilian population;

(k) Authorize the director of finance and the director of credit unions to waive or suspend the operation of any statutory requirement or administrative rule applicable to the division of finance, banking, financial services, or the division of credit unions and take action and give direction to banks, credit unions, and financial institutions, including coordinating actions with emergency responders, federal agencies, and state banking and credit union associations as may be reasonable and necessary to preserve the safety and soundness of banks, credit unions, and financial institutions; and facilitate disaster response and recovery efforts to serve essential civil needs and protect the public interest.

2. When any property is seized, taken or requisitioned under this section, the circuit court of the county in which the property was taken may on the application of the owner thereof or on the application of the governor in cases where numerous claims may be filed, appoint three disinterested commissioners in the manner provided by section 523.040 to assess the damages which the owners may have sustained by reason of the appropriation thereof. Upon the application the amount due because of the seizure of property shall be determined in the manner provided in chapter 523 for the determination of damages in case of the exercise of the power of eminent domain.

(L. 1951 p. 536 § 26.230, Reenacted L. 1953 p. 553, Reenacted L. 1955 p. 607, A.L. 1961 p. 483, A.L. 1967 p. 122, A.L. 1998 S.B. 743, A.L. 2007 H.B. 579, A.L. 2008 S.B. 951)

then you're an idiot.

the whole grand jury shit was a set up to let him walk. this is just proof of what anyone with some goddamn sense knows.

Guaranteed the DA presented evidence so lopsided even most of the people on this board wouldn't indict based on the evidence they submitted, lol. Those are the heads that should have been rolling, and they get nary a mention during all these weeks, probably chilling at the golf course...patiently waiting for a guaranteed re-election.

>http://gawker.com/darren-wilsons-key-witness-was-bipolar-racist-liar-1671681384

everybody who really understands the Wilson case is mad about Robert McCulloch - the STL County prosecutor. he gave a press conference where he delivered that closing argument for the Wilson defense case. we all know him. we all mad.

we all understand that the GJ didn't indict b/c his office didn't seek an indictment. we understand that by presenting his entire case file (including exculpatory evidence that's seemingly only presented at the GJ where there's a police defendant) instead of focusing on the evidence that would secure an indictment the prosecutor assured there would be no bill issued by the GJ. we also understand that the prosecutor (or his assistants since HE didn't present) at first only presented outdated case law relating to Wilson's potential self-defense claim (which needn't have been presented at all) and then presented relevant case law weeks later after the GJ had been buried in witness examinations and paperwork.

we know he was up to some shenanigans, in other words.

however, i don't know that there's any recourse against homeboy. he's shielded from civil liability thanks to qualified if not absolute immunity. i doubt any of his shenanigans rise to the level of criminal activity either. it's super shady and hopefully homie will be voted out of office - in 2018 when he's up for re-election.

it really is this cut and dry

I don't really think any witness testimony would get around this

they presented a statute that has a suspect fleeing, as justified lethal force

a statute that was struck down by the supreme court

I don't think there needs to be any more digging into this GJ hearing to know there was misconduct

what really scares the shit out of me, since most GJ are sealed

we don't know how many times the DA has done this?

think about that

and as shady as his action was i doubt it rises to the level of actual prosecutorial misconduct. unfortunately. so i don't see any action to be taken against homeboy. and i doubt Missouri's attorney general is working hard to find a charge to levy against him either. but maybe.

usually p-m cases arise out of false convictions secured via prosecutorial shenanigans. that's not the case here - no defendant was wrongfully convicted. which is why i doubt much of anything will happen to McCullough. hopefully he loses his next election. that's about all i see coming for him. hopefully there's som'n out there i don't see.

as for how often this happens - we pretty much already know it happens routinely with police defendants. GJs almost never issue indictments in cases w/a police defendant. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/nyregion/grand-juries-seldom-charge-police-officers-in-fatal-actions.html?_r=0

as it was explained to me

the old statute was initially presented, during the beginning of the grand jury sessions

and it wasn't until the very end of the sessions that the valid statute was introduced

and there was no explanation to the grand jury about the difference between the two, they were expected to figure that out

also, I'm asking, in this being the 1 case where the grand jury session is made public

and we see the DA using statutes he knows are invalid

as you alluded to, in order to reach a conclusion he wants

we have no idea how many times he's done that before

in general, in all cases, whether it's to indict or not

how many times has the DA manipulated the GJ like this?

that's the whole point of the GJ.

usually prosecutors use the GJ process to secure indictments - they guide the GJ to find probable cause for trial by introducing only evidence that points toward probable cause and ultimately toward guilt. there's no judge present and no opposing counsel. usually only police officers who participating in the criminal investigation of the matter at hand testify. often the prosecutor will lead the witness through their testimony - the witness need only answer questions that suggest a yes/no answer. in almost all of the cases submitted to the GJ there is conflicting evidence and the prosecution only presents the evidence that points toward guilt. just like at most trials there's conflicting evidence - that's the point of a trial w/a fact-finder who sees/hears all evidence and later deliberates. normally defendants don't testify at the GJ b/c they are open to cross-examination on the record by the prosecutor w/o their lawyer present to advise them or object.

what the prosecutors did here isn't unusual for cases involving a police defendant. unfortunately. the prosecutors often don't want an indictment and submit the case to a GJ b/c they want to be able to point to an outside body that made the decision not to prosecute the police officer defendant. it's not unusual for a police defendant to testify at the GJ w/o being cross-examined. it's not unusual for other elements of the officers' defense at trial to be put before the GJ by the prosecution. prosecutor conduct at the GJ w/police defendants turns the whole process on its head (b/c the process relies on adversarial action by the parties and if there's no adverse action then the process doesn't really work), and it's standard practice.

Yes, I know that is the purpose of the GJ

and that the DA uses it as a tool to arrive at decisions he wants

what I am pointing out

is in this 1 case

the 1 that we have the GJ testimony

we see the DA using, as evidence, a statute that the supreme court has ruled unconstitutional

(to point out that the valid statute was later introduced is very condescending)

the fact that we don't have the testimony from EVERY GJ

and don't know how many times the DA has used evidence he KNOWS to be false

is what I'm talking about

you missed me with the rest of what you typed.

Come on white people...cmon

If you listened to his 'speech' during the no bill

I think there were 60 something witenesses...

...and he discredited each and every one in some sort of way

the witnesses that verified the hands up story

he explicityly stated, had parts of their testimony, PARTS, contradicted by physical evidence

the witnesses that verified Wilson's Hulk Hogan story

were also contradicted by physical evidence

but McCulloch didn't explicityly state that

which is probably how he presented to the grand jury

explicitly discredited pro Mike Brown testimony

but didn't do the same for pro Wilson testimony

he left it up to the jury to figure that out for themselves

which they obviously didn't

I don't see the gotcha moment here

i.e., he intentionally admiited evidence he KNEW was false

the only story I need to hear is Dorian Johnson.

giving the grand jury a statute for justified lethal force

that the supreme court already struck down

is more of a smoking gun IMO

darren wilson is on a couch somewhere watching reruns of mash
and the liar is literally a nut case (what's the ethics behind them reporting that?)

so this whole police killing rampage we been having since the 90s has been really fucking with me

like i go to my right wing websits & read the comments section which i know is crazy but im a masochist

and i struggle to make sense of like...the sheer lunatic nature of your typical white person. i cant just say men or women cuz it seems to be pretty wide spread

not all! NOT all! but a fair lunatic fringe

that like...are really blind to how they sound

like police have the authority to kill, they have the assumption of authority, etc i didnt sign that waiver did i? who said that? i reject that shit in totality, whether im black, white, green or purple, dont NOBODY have authority over me

or like we were right to torture because 9/11. what the fuck sense does that make? it really boggles my mind. like do you not understand that other human beings will say SEE they did this...which absolves US from doing the fucked up shit WE do

ys they behead people. thats horrible. they blow up school children. they are horrible people.

but what we DONT do...is shit that puts us on that level. we dont torture. if we do...we shouldnt. theres other ways of doing things other then resorting to simulated drowning 100+ times

i dunno man...its. macabre.


does it really matter?

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even if these pricks have no fucking empathy whatsoever, don't they understand that allowing the police to be judge dredd is bad for everybody?

I am terrified

the thing that gets me is that while the numbers are not enormous (no doubt larger than shown because of shoddy reporting though), they indicate just how much other shit happens that stops short of KILLING someone.

i hope the activism doesn't stop at trying to halt actual murders. we have this societal fixation with the most grave thing and it causes us to overlook more pervasive problems. like anti-capital punishment people who don't really give a fuck about prison reform.

the cops fuck with people, beat them, falsely imprison them, molest them sexually and all sorts of other fucked up shit that doesn't produce any corpses.

i remember like, 20+ yrs ago, in college, talking about police brutality, racial profiling and the like, while working in the English office. and a white dude who was one of them tie dye, grateful dead type cats, schooled me on how they fucked w/ his ppls, too. that's where i learned about the whole 'put a phone book on their head and beat them w/ the night stick to prevent bruising'.

cops, in general are fucked up. (or, rather, have unacceptably large percentages of fucked up ppl working within their ranks, creating and violating rules, and responsible for non-oversight of same).

so there's a fine line to walk with respect to the movement(s).

but #blacklivesmatter HAS to be and remain at the forefront. because if this egregious shit was happening to other people with the same level of arrogance and utter impunity as it does to us, it would have BEEN resolved.

much like the civil rights movement resulted in unprecedented gains for white women, short people (both of whom, ironically, couldn't be cops prior to reforms enacted in the wake of the civil rights movements).

but you are right, the mistreatment is pervasive. the entitlements, lack of accountability.


>the thing that gets me is that while the numbers are not
>enormous (no doubt larger than shown because of shoddy
>reporting though), they indicate just how much other shit
>happens that stops short of KILLING someone.
>
>i hope the activism doesn't stop at trying to halt actual
>murders. we have this societal fixation with the most grave
>thing and it causes us to overlook more pervasive problems.
>like anti-capital punishment people who don't really give a
>fuck about prison reform.

for real. although knee jerk, folks i've known who are staunchly anti-capital punishment tend to be all in for comprehensive prison reform, also.

>
>the cops fuck with people, beat them, falsely imprison them,
>molest them sexually and all sorts of other fucked up shit
>that doesn't produce any corpses.

yep. i think, though, that the examination of the more extreme cases shows just how fucked up the system is and why it is so structurally difficult to deal with the non murder-death-kill offenses.

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the u.s. has not been held accountable for its actions and at the
same time, we're doing each other in.

and that's not on some hyperbole shit... there is a sizable segment of the white population that is on some other OTHER shit.

And its their standard daily operating procedure.

America is essentially an Elseworlds story about what if 16th/17th century Europe never civilized itself.

What gets me most is how far white Americans will go to support a perceived racial heirarchy. Literally, cats will cut off their noses to spite their faces when it comes to issues of race

whatever app that'll let me listen to radio stations on my phone.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/12/17/was_key_grand_jury_witness_in

based on surveillance cameras not picking up her car

anywhere near the shooting

?

are we suppose to believe that those same surveillance cameras didn't record the shooting?

Missouri always had East St. Louis getting dumped on, and these white folks running shit crazier than anything going down in East St Lou.

sorry i dont have time to read all the replies or the article right now

the option would be exercised by the STL County prosecutor - the same one who presented the Wilson case before the 1st GJ.

to be protesting. get the news cameras out in front of the prosecutors office. following them with cameras when they leave asking them about the new revelations.

what pressure is being put on them? people protesting, doing die-in's, wearing "i cant breath" and "hands up dont shoot" tshirts all over the country but are these prosecuters in ny and mo just going about business as usual being able to easily ignore the tv sets?

i guess i'm wondering if the effort has been misplaced.

>the option would be exercised by the STL County prosecutor -
>the same one who presented the Wilson case before the 1st GJ.
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>to be protesting. get the news cameras out in front of the
>prosecutors office. following them with cameras when they
>leave asking them about the new revelations.
>
>what pressure is being put on them? people protesting, doing
>die-in's, wearing "i cant breath" and "hands up dont shoot"
>tshirts all over the country but are these prosecuters in ny
>and mo just going about business as usual being able to easily
>ignore the tv sets?
>
>i guess i'm wondering if the effort has been misplaced.

the prosecutor sent the case to the GJ due to the public pressure on him. he made that clear during his press conference announcing the GJ's decision.

but yeah, folks can apply the pressure again and see what results.

yes, exactly

before these recent incidents

I would have been inclined to say the system is broken and needs to be fixed

I am now aware that the system is working exactly the way it was designed to work

that is to say

you can't expect change to come from this system

to even ask for justice from this system

is to validate its power

the change has to come from the people

it's almost iron clad the way they have this shit rigged, and we're
supposed to be living in the freest society on the planet. change
will have to come from the people, that's the only way.

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