I know this post gets posted a lot but maybe since the last time it was posted yall got new perspectives.

Is $50k enough to enjoy living in one of the boroughs and not get killed or eat ramen nightly?

Edit: I expect to have roommates. I just don't want these roommates to be rats. Or roaches. Or murderers lol.

New York has to be experienced.

a bowl of no frills cereal

NEW YORK LIVING BABY

yes. but you probably won't be living alone unless you get a sweet deal somewhere and they don't exist

you can live in a good area with a roommate or two and depending on your habits and needs (do you cook for yourself most of the time? do you need a gym membership and regular hair appointments and shit like that?) and not have a struggle life w/ $50k

you arent going to be rolling in expendable income but you won't eat top ramen and if you are super frugal when it comes to food and other expenses, you can manage to have $ to do shit like travel

i been eating beefaroni for the past 2 weeks
ill trade you for a pack of frozen peas and a can of soup

throw that shit and we got enough casserole to last us til next rent check is due
HOLLA

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don't forget to mention that the unicorns pee on NYPD officers as they fly over them.

they are out there....

rent controlled are really rare and theyre already occupied by people whose landlords are just waiting for them to die

rent controlled units are grandfathered from a period of time none of us were alive for. lol.

granted once they die they will become stabilized but the rent will definitely go up tremendously

rent stabilized are not impossible to find but they can be difficult to get 'in' depending on the building and such and the neighborhood. basically if youre looking to live in bed stuy its not likely you'll find a rent stabilized apartment only b/c most of the apartment stock are brownstone apartments in buildings that are too small to be stabilized (though i did live in a big b-stone that was stabilized).

but in crown heights and bushwick you'll have more apartment building stock and a good amount are stabilized. vacancy rates are low though.

my friend got one of these apt... pays about $800 for a 1 bedroom in harlem, 7 blocks north of central park...

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White NYers always seem to pay 500-1000 less than you'd pay for that same apt.

>White NYers always seem to pay 500-1000 less than you'd pay
>for that same apt.

Cause I just don't see living in NYC on that. Hell, I make more than that and still got 2 roommates

The median household income in NYC is 50K. Yes, it's expensive, but it's also a BIG city with a lot of neighborhoods. You can live without a roommate for under 50k.

I have a good friend who's a struggling stand-up comedian and part-time dog walker. She just moved into a 1br in an elevator building for $1100/mo.

anything other than Brooklyn.

I'm calling it now: The Upper East Side is the next Brooklyn. Young people priced out of Brooklyn and lower Manhattan are going to make UES cool.

well not immediately after but prices went down in lower manhattan so folks flocked there until they had so many vacancies that rent went down. not a lot but it went down enough to attract folks again

It's a lot of Juliard students, actors, indie filmmakers, designers; etc.

But it's a weird inversion: Brooklyn is more expensive than Manhattan. I kind of like that. Purge the mongoloids who'd pay 2800 USD to live on Mother Gaston.

Meanwhile, quiet's kept, the UES has become a bastion of normal New Yorkdom. Least til that 2nd Avenue train is done.

I'd also recommend Kingsbridge, Bedford Park and Norwood in the Bronx for decent inexpensive living, but there's an acute shorthand of artisinal cupcakes and hand-crafted bacons.

>I'd also recommend Kingsbridge, Bedford Park and Norwood in
>the Bronx for decent inexpensive living, but there's an acute
>shorthand of artisinal cupcakes and hand-crafted bacons.

can we keep nothing for ourselves anymore?
GIVE THE WHOLE COTDAMN CITY AWAY, WHY DON'T YOU?

WHERE THEY GONNA BRUNCH OR GET ORGANIC MIMOSAS

LOL

Most of them won't even trek north of 14th Street.

I keep talking about 3rd Ave-138th. One stop out of Manhattan.

I got a friend (well, my old super's brother) who's at the 40th Precinct.

Even he was like, man White people are buying brownstones on Alexander Avenue, meanwhile crackheads keep popping up like Wack-a-Moles every morning after they clear a crackhouse.

I mean, it would be hilarious seeing one of these sandalwood-and-pachouli dinks run screaming from a paramilitary police raid, but we'd never get it on tape.

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beautiful houses

I wanna know who lives in them.

>It's a lot of Juliard students, actors, indie filmmakers,
>designers; etc.
>
>But it's a weird inversion: Brooklyn is more expensive than
>Manhattan. I kind of like that. Purge the mongoloids who'd pay
>2800 USD to live on Mother Gaston.
>
>Meanwhile, quiet's kept, the UES has become a bastion of
>normal New Yorkdom. Least til that 2nd Avenue train is done.
>
>I'd also recommend Kingsbridge, Bedford Park and Norwood in
>the Bronx for decent inexpensive living, but there's an acute
>shorthand of artisinal cupcakes and hand-crafted bacons.


SHHHHHHHHHHH!!! don't tell nobody about the Bronx, man! Say nothing about Bronx Park East, Woodlawn, Pelham Parkway North or South, Morris Park, *NONE* of those places....

NOPE LOL

But don't expect to live in the lap of luxury.

You may find a spot with hardwood floors but you ain't getting a w/d unit in your apartment.

Don't expect no doorman, elevator, gym facility in the basement kind of living.

But no, you can live decently (your definition of 'decent' may be different) with a roommate or two.

by yourself for 50k. You won't be living it up, but you can be comfortable.

unless it's an SO I couldn't do it.

it's in fact so cool that I moved 2 hours away and would only visit family on the weekends

everything Jay-Z said on Empire State Of Mind is the average New Yorker's experience, you'll love it

It's not like DC is cheap. But all of those low-paid staffers on the Hill seem to get by just fine, often on less than $50K.

i could do it...

but my life would be completely different if i weren't with a roommate

my standards would be far lower lol

In fact, it seems to be in similar proportion to my friends in NYC. So I'd think that the cost of living isn't terribly different between the two cities.

At what income level do you think Washingtonians start to feel comfortable living solo?

LOL!

Keep shuddering, boo :-)

im laughing at the expected replies to defend NYC

Lifestyle so i dont judge. seems practical or necessary up there in a lot of cases. But that's one of the many reasons I have zero desire to ever live there, a city where at 30 u can't live comfortable alone with a washer and dryer and central air unless u making 80k plus is not for me. Every city has it's plus and minuses tho. I love NYC as a visitor

I'm also an only child so it's kinda essential for me, an SO is the only exception

How does the number compare to the number of your friends who do so in NYC?

Meant to be more than the 4 months it ended up being. Of my 5( 3 guys, 2 girls) closest non family friends in dc , all living in dc and not Maryland or va, none have roommates, one is even a homeowner. None live in northwest but they don't live in the hood either

I can't think of one person I kno in the dc area over 30 with a roommate tho, the ppl I kno with roommates there are in there 20s

Dc is extremely expensive now tho so if any of them had roommates I would completely understand. And some living alone do live in studios

And I can think of one maybe two ppl that live alone in NYC, one is a mom so that makes sense. Also I kno someone who did live alone when they were single.

lol

but it was a super spacious duplex with a back yard in Bed Stuy (my share was 1k), so we pretty much stayed out of each other's way if we wanted to, and chilled and talked when we wanted to. It is what it is.

...when we lived on U Street, our money reached further. We were renting a brownstone on 13th between U and V streets NW, roughly for what we're paying now for a two bedroom. We gained a second floor and additional 1.5 baths. Groceries cost about the same as here. I'm not sure how you'd compare public transportation costs (flat rate vs. metered fare), but I'd compare DC favorably to New York for cost of living.

that shit is beyond outrageous now...the last 5-10 years has been wild

i moved out of the city about 10 years ago and just looking at some of the areas now i'm astounded

A lot of them live in Group Houses: big brownstown size houses with 6-8 roommates

DC apts don't go to the first qualified applicant. They take a bunch of applications (and application fees) and choose the their tenant of choice (the tenant of choice doesn't usually look like us). My Sister-in-law got a BIG 1br in a nice building in Columbia Heights for $1100 last year.

A lot of apples-to-apples jobs actually pay more in DC than NYC now.

In my experience, there is an enormous difference between having one roommate and having two. 3+ sounds like a roach-infested nightmare.

My best friend is a PhD scientist yet still has two roommates in North Bethesda. His rent: $1100. If that's what the situation is to live *outside* of DC, then I'll keep Brooklyn.

>DC apts don't go to the first qualified applicant. They take a
>bunch of applications (and application fees) and choose the
>their tenant of choice (the tenant of choice doesn't usually
>look like us). My Sister-in-law got a BIG 1br in a nice
>building in Columbia Heights for $1100 last year.

Sad to hear that the housing market in America's Chocolate City, of all places, is operating on 'cism :-( Do something, Muriel Browser!!

>A lot of apples-to-apples jobs actually pay more in DC than
>NYC now.

This, if true, is the one thing that could get me to make the switch.

dog piss and animal feces?

*laffs*

good luck with that

LMAO @ 'roomate'

living in a certain city could never be that serious

Most of Staten Island
Half of Queens
Probably about a third of Brooklyn
I'd say a third of the Bronx.

Your seven block excursion into OMG GRITTY NYC doesn't inform you of shit, to be honest.

BUT THIS IS OKP DON'T LET IT HOLD YOU BACK

I don't disagree, but only a NYer would think of Queens as suburban. It's as urban as LA.

he said half of queens not all of it

rosedale
laurelton
hollis
cambria heights
richmond hill
ozone park
queens village
bayside
jamaica/jamaica estates


largely single family homes and grass. no access to subways (richmond hill and parts of s.ozone and jamaica are the exceptions)

they run express buses from those areas like they do for SI and bay ridge and marine park

dude's acting like every street in NYC is metropolitan
mongo's refuting it and he isn't wrong

you'd see a raccoon or even a possum before you'd see a rat in any of those areas above. im talking on a typical residential block, which is what these areas are largely comprised of

but, I don't think the areas you named are any less urban than South Central LA, and far more urban than, say, 5th Ward in Houston.

and I might need yall to break it down for me

Because yes s central looks suburban as hell to me

And I'm with teef

Forest hills has a huge suburban section as well

Yes half of queens is suburban


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Some parts of Queens and Brooklyn remind of what most people would consider suburban towns in NJ, such as Maplewood, the Oranges, and even Hamilton and Ewing.

>but, I don't think the areas you named are any less urban
>than South Central LA, and far more urban than, say, 5th Ward
>in Houston.

Or Little Five Points in ATL, or most of New Orleans, even.

and raise you on:

Forest Hills Gardens
Kew Gardens
Glendale
Middle Village
Fort Totten and all the other microneighborhoods that get lumped in with Flushing proper (cuz I'm a downtown swinga and I can do that)

It felt like the burbs to me too.

I remember watching LA hood films and thinking, "why are they so aggy, they live in the burbs with palm trees"?

NYC is so dramatically different from the rest of the country, it gives a skewed perspective of what is or isn't urban. Bayside has a higher population density than Washington, DC. Maspeth has a higher population density than Chicago.

none of those people lived in the projects...

>Bayside has a higher population density than Washington, DC.
>Maspeth has a higher population density than Chicago.

no effin way that Bayside is more crowded than Flushing
NO EFFIN WAY THIS IS TRUE IRL

when discussing demographics/population
many neighborhoods do, hence my comment

and while the main thoroughfares arent as vibrant-the main arteries are definitely more dense in queens and brooklyn-but they are set up very similarly

on a residential block level, it's very suburban in those parts of queens and bk and SI we mentioned and depending on the area, there's nothing other than the bus, which is just like LI

im not saying queens is the burbs all the way but its certainly set up very much like it for someone who doesnt like rats and trash and apartment buildings and subways

but the vibe on Linden or Merrick Boulevards in Queens is waaaaaaaaaay different once you cross the country border into Nassau, shit is like night and day at least to me
Same thing with Hempstead Avenue/Turnpike or Jamaica Ave/Jericho Turnpike

Whitestone, College Point, Queens Village, Jamaica Estates, parts of Hollis and Cambria Heights, Bayside, Breezy Point.

If anyone ever went deep into Midwood all the way into parts of Canarsie. Dyker Heights, Marine Park, Gravesend, parts of Bay Ridge, Flatlands, Sea Gate, Manhattan Beach...

Pelham Parkway, Morris Park (parts), RIVERDALE (which geographically is like a quarter of the Bronx whether they want to admit or not), Pelham, City Island...

Almost all of Staten Island.

But what do I know
Places that give me the your neighbor could dine on your ankle bones with chianti and no one would ever know
Because this is a nice neighborhood
Is suburban to me
Maspeth more so because of the hoorah flags everywhere this is Murica aspect

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suburbs to NYC boroughs, but his point is that NYC is different from other cities in that the pop density is so high that neighborhoods that we perceive as suburban would be urban in most cities. For those of us who have lived in other cities, this is undeniable. For example, Kew Gardens, while it may seem more suburban than midtown, would be another urban neighborhood in another area. This is a pretty large country and many cities are just sprawl.

Unless I'm driving I barely go there if I'm on pub trans. That ride on pub trans from downtown Brooklyn to there is not that great.. Blocks feel like miles

Those Paedogat (sp) streets or whatever they are called are straight suburban. Wild quiet.

on the trains that is.....


y'all seen some up-close breakdancin' on the trains.

It's Far Too Simple to Dismiss Staten Island for 'Being Staten Island'

http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/12/its-too-simple-to-dismiss-staten-island-for-being-staten-island/383458/

First, you need to know that Staten Island is geographically and, arguably, culturally closer to New Jersey than the rest of New York City. There are three bridges that connect the borough to Chris Christie’s domain; only one, the Verrazano, spans the Narrows between Staten Island and Brooklyn. It’s also important to note that the Brooklyn-Staten Island connector was built in 1964, a good 36 years after the first New Jersey bridge was completed, though the borough had already been part of the larger city for nearly 70 years. And Staten Island is still not connected to New York City’s sprawling subway system (though it does have a ferry).

Staten Island is also an island of homeowners in a city of renters, which undoubtedly affects its politics. Kramer and Flanagan, the historians, note that 71 percent of Staten Island’s housing is occupied by homeowners, leaving 29 percent to renters. In New York City at large, those ratios are almost completely reversed: 34 percent are homeowners, and 66 percent are renters. Staten Island is also dominated by families, with 56 percent of its households headed by married couples, compared to 36 percent in NYC.

The island’s development history explains some of these numbers. Its population, which exploded after the completion of the Verrazano, became increasingly composed of ex-Brooklynites in search of suburbia-lite: larger homes, green lawns, a garage. There was a racial component to the Staten Island exodus, too. The opening of the Verrazano coincided with a wave of violent civil disturbances. In July of 1964, the killing of a 15-year old black teenager by a white off-duty police officer sparked six days of riots in the majority black neighborhoods of Harlem and Bedford-Stuyvesant. These events had a deep and lasting impact on the racial geography of New York City, not least because many Irish and Italian Brooklynites decided to abandon their apartments for a newly accessible borough. As Kramer and Flanagan write, “‘White flight’ … is one of the primary causes of the population boom after the opening of the Verrazano Bridge in 1964.”

Does that story sound familiar? It should. The story of Staten Island mirrors the story of so many major American suburbs. It happened in New York City and Detroit and Minneapolis and Philadelphia and Los Angeles and in nearly every other major city in this country.

“Staten Island numbers, in terms of partisanship and ideology, match up pretty well with the rest of the country,” Flanagan told public radio host Brian Lehrer in 2012. “It looks pretty ordinary.”

“Staten Island being Staten Island” is an attractive thought, particularly to New Yorkers, because it allows them to imagine that what happened to Eric Garner occurred in a somewhat farther away, vaguely distant land. If Staten Island is truly just a little more racist than the rest of the city, then that at least offers an explanation in this case. But the data, of course, show that police brutality is a nationwide problem, one that's compounded by just how poorly the authorities keep track of how often they injure and kill. Staten Island isn't the New York exception; in all probability, it's the rule.

transplants want cool, always safe costs money

I didnt move to LA for "cool", Im from NY. I live in a quiet crime free area that has nothing to offer past a big mall, restaurants and the grocery store

so yeah everyone's big city experience is different

i know folks who have had issues in "safe" areas
and i know folks flashing iphone 6s in the hood at 4am drunk off their asses and nothing happens

you just have to be smart
best thing to so if youre concerned about safety is to live on a quieter block that isn't far from a subway stop. i like to be no more than 5 mins from a subway. i try and not take the subway late but if i have to (broke or cant catch a cab), at least i have a short walk home

but you still never know. ppl love my neighborhood but shit goes down. still have prostitution (and some rapes b/c of it), my bldg still has a crack presence.

>i know folks who have had issues in "safe" areas
>and i know folks flashing iphone 6s in the hood at 4am drunk
>off their asses and nothing happens

Flushing is relatively safe
but between the sexual assaults
the kidnappings
the break-ins
I don't feel nearly as safe at night as I used to.
I make sure I walk down Main Street coming home from the train late at night because Kissena Boulevard has too many dark spots where I could get snatched up.
But this is the only home I've known as an adult so I deal.

http://gothamist.com/2014/12/08/onderdonk_bar_ridgewood.php#photo-1

Ridgewood, Queens Brooklyn Quooklyn — It's All Happening. Ridgewood, a neighborhood recently crowned The New Brooklynburg by The Grey Lady, has gotten its first craft cocktail bar. Outdoing the hipsters in neighboring Jefftown, these guys don't even put liquor in their craft cocktails. That's right, there's no liquor in this bar—this bar is post-liquor.

Damn, these Ridgewood hipsters mean business.

Instead of spirits, the cocktails at Onderdonk & Sons are based around a foundation of beer or wine. This is really just a clever way of getting around liquor license red tape, of course, and it works well. The drinks are pleasant, and at $7 a pop ($5 during happy hour), they're a lot less than your average craft cocktail bar is gonna charge you.

Their menu features drinks like the Negroni Incorrect (Cappelletti, Cocchi Vermouth di Torino, Sparkling Wine), the Lillet Glogg (Lillet Rouge, Angostura Bitters, Cloves, Nutmeg, Peppercorns), the Sweet Pick Me Up (Coffee-infused Red Wine, Cocchi Vermouth di Torino, Star Anise, Aztec Bitters). They've also got red, white, and beer served straight up ($4 to $7), as well as cider.

The bar was opened by Brian Taylor, who also owns The Pencil Factory bar in Greenpoint. Prior to opening, in their "Quooklyn" piece, he told the Times, “People are saying ‘Ridgewood, that’s the hottest place ever.’” Cooler than a $2 bill, which, incidentally, is what you'll get when given change at the bar. When pressed about the bills, the bartender was unable to give us a real explanation.

The place has been packed since opening recently, which makes us wonder if the new residents of Ridgewood are going to turn their back on Gottscheer Hall, a neighborhood mainstay recently adopted by this new generation, which is just four blocks away.

dAMN YOU ALL TO HELL









And oddly still no Starbucks
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pays $400 in rent. of course she has roommates. but i guess the rent is going to go up soon and she'll have to move... she's a proud starving artist...

Now the grocery store went from ethnic South Americans, Mexican, Blacks, and Puerto Ricans... to zombie hipsters with their ONE fucking basket of food.
I was thinking how the grocery store will not survive once the area is fully gentrified. Cause I've never once seen them buy than a basket's worth.
The store relies on the families coming in there and buying a big $300 worth of food for the week. I always see big carts full of food. I usually spend $150 myself.
But imagine going from that to customers who come in maybe once a week and spend $20 to $30 on that one basket of food. It's more and more of them every single time.

lol im one of those ppl
mainly b/c i shop at the coop but im suspended right now :(

Not saying 50k is being broke. In fact I almost feel like fresh out of school, willing to have roommates you can have a fantastic time in NYC.

I certainly did as a student. And girls seemed to have it even better. At least they could find dudes willing to buy them a drank.

In my broke student shameless days I'd let some other dude buy my girl a drink and straight proceed to drink it all up.


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Ippudo, Toto, Momofuko, Jin, Ivan. All of them.

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http://9to5mac.com/2014/12/09/brooklyn-apple-store/

The tech-products powerhouse has signed a long-term lease for a 20,000-square-foot store at 247 Bedford Ave. at the corner of North 3rd Street, brokerage community sources definitively revealed.

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on one hand i like that they are still keeping it an affordable place to shop, except with chains, but an apple store would be way better there and there's the space for it. i can't imagine it costing more than williamsburg per SF and even if it did, the foot traffic you get between the surrounding neighborhoods, all the train stops that are there, and being close to NYU poly and other schools

seems like a no brainer

but lots of white people who dont live in brooklyn think brooklyn is only williamsburg, carroll gardens/cobble hill, and bk heights

see: brooklyn magazine

Thinks of those neighborhoods. That's Brooklyn's national identity now.

Like the one in Miami and Santa Monica. Love it now while it still has flavor and all the sneaker shops and jesus pieces.

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city point looks so blah i hate it

the only non-chain stores really thriving are the hair spots

by comfortable. he's not struggling but, he's not a pop the bottle type person either or really a traveller.

he's got enough saved up if he wanted to be though because he has no other responsibilities besides himself.

was moving to the ghettos of bushwick, brooklyn and asking if she needed mace and if she was in danger because she was white...and blah blah all the scary spanish people....after listening to her for a good 20 minutes i said, with a serious face....i hope you get mugged. :-(

mean? yes...do i gives a fuck...nope.

.i hope you get mugged. :-(
>
>mean? yes...do i gives a fuck...nope.

my rent on eastern parkway was $425

i was eating good AND paying my student loan bills every month. even saved.

i dont know how i did it.

but love them b/c we all crowd in here and gab

Every post is a battle between wannabe transplants who've heard the wackiest things and want to flex vs. those who live in the city and see it changing.

The inter-borough tiffs are fun too. Y'all BKers are wearing me down, though lol

honestly if I could buy off the 138th stop i'd move there in a second.

BIGGEST city

most EXPENSIVE city

CRIME like a motherfucker


ITS BIG AND BAD


IT WILL CHEW YOU UP AND SPIT YOU OUT


^^^^

I heard folks saying that for a long time before I moved here

Then I moved here.

Its just a big ass city.

Where you listening to New Rochelle transplants in Atlanta?

they were just hating because they got caught out there trying to rep the Bronx one too many times. Same thing happens with Queens and Long Island.

let some outsider say something and it's all..'WHAT DA FUCK YOU JUST SAY! WITCHO DUMBASS!!

You'll be alright. You're overthinking it. Just get here and live!! I definitely over thought shit and asked too many questions prior to moving here.

and a lot of other up and coming urban areas is that BK is attached to Manhattan. Which is a very big difference mind you (which makes me question the usefulness of my theory).


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Queens
Bronx

just as accessible to Manhattan. Neither are the draw that Brooklyn is, BUT, you have a point.


It's not 1996 anymore. It's not even 2006. NYC will always be the best/most important city in the country, but a lot of smaller cities are light-years better than they used to be...from mid-sized cities like Nashville to big cities like DC and Chicago.

that's my theory

bk has far more waterfront that is close to manhattan and all of the investment in downtown post 9/11 and the "waterfront property is actually valuable/useful/vital!" realization every major US city by water had in the past 15 years or so

> the "waterfront property is actually valuable/useful/vital!" realization every major US city by water had in the past 15 years or so.


My brother lives in South West DC down by the waterfront. It's hood been hood for a long time and it's crazy to me because, it's on the waterfront.

Now I think they are just figuring it out and it seems like the area is developing very quickly.



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Practically all large to midsize American cities are the same. The local "flare" is being sapped from most cities. Every city is becoming a sterilized replica of the next. Starbucks, Best Buy, Target, Apple stores, a few overpriced bars and restaurants, and that's about it.

The only thing separating New York from any other city is it's reputation. You can't gentrify a reputation, but you can raze, renovate, and remove the infrastructures and populations that spawned it.

Banality truly rules the day...

i didn't say anything that wasn't true