I get its ur right to freedom of expression & whatnot, but what does it really solve?

I know it often works in labor disputes, where the corporation gives in to demands, in order to save face

but shit like Ferguson tho? We suppose to just picket peacefully
holding up cardboards?? what does that solve?

there's about a few campuses around the country where students are forming "human chains", laying side by side on sidewalks in protest.. Lol

If anything, the govt appreciates u not wilding out. Why would they care if you're not disturbing their peace??

U really want their attention, attack the power structure itself not your neighborhoods!!

At least this is my understanding of it, perhaps I'm missing something

obviously, we can't get into an arms race with these ppl.
they have billions of guns and tanks and stuff.

civil disobedience and public shame is what we can use.
it's a weapon we have.

granted, organizing is hard as fuck.
but when it works, you have the power to bestow or take away the LEGITIMACY of an institution.



does an elected official REALLY care about a gang of ppl on the Washington Mall?
no.

especially not if it's a mob that won't be able to turn out again in the same numbers.

but if you have respected leaders of a community
with a shit load of ppl behind them saying that "i no longer believe in this system,
and i shall peacefully disobey what you are telling me to do"
that's a threat.

not a physical threat.
a psychological one.

because ppl that seek power seek power because they want to be respected.
they want to have ppl look up to them and be envious of them.

if you are standing there as an elected official,
and ___ amount of ppl no longer see you as a person worthy of respect,
that's a problem.

now they have to listen to you.

and now you have empowered the ppl standing behind you
to believe that they DO have the ability to influence their world.

that, in itself, is a threat.


and it's hard to use physical violence against organized, peaceful protest
without coming across like a dick. which, again, takes away legitimacy.



nonviolent resistance is used because we obviously cannot overthrow the govt
with weapons.

voting doesn't work because If there is nobody to hold the official accountable once you vote them in it's more of the same.


money power can influence, and that's what the enemy has.

the rest of us have to use what we have or build some other weapon.
that leaves us with the power of large numbers of organize ppl.
which is, again, hard as fuck.

but ppl do it because it has a proven track record
and it's within our means to do.

The rest is ignored.

and don't start one unless you can win.

NOTE: revolutions are notoriously difficult to win.

>NOTE: revolutions are notoriously difficult to win.

let alone take up arms and fight an adversary that is armed to the teeth.

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>>NOTE: revolutions are notoriously difficult to win.
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regardless of a group of people's ability and effectiveness in organizing, a violent uprising by a minority becoming an actual revolution is pretty much impossible. you're just a rebel faction until you have the support of the populace.

>regardless of a group of people's ability and effectiveness
>in organizing, a violent uprising by a minority becoming an
>actual revolution is pretty much impossible. you're just a
>rebel faction until you have the support of the populace.

not definitely, but possibly. this guy in St Louis got off, but i bet the issue of police abusing power is a hot topic at least among some police forces out there. it doesnt guarantee change, but maybe someone will think twice before pulling the trigger next time

some attention better than no attention

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I think that's a kind of example

Before Marion Barry became mayor he was shot during a takeover of the building he was in by a group of radicals (not sure if they were black)

John Brown

Nat Turner

militant massive non-violence. The March on Washington involved ~200k people and they all focused on one place. Not maybe a thousand folks hold signs here and maybe a couple of hundred folks hold signs there.
(which seems to be our current game plan)

Having said that, I read a King speech the other day ("The Other America") and it sounds like it could've been written yesterday.

The question is, is militant massive non-violence effective against the problems that still plaque us sixty years after all these civil rights reforms were passed? The fact that we are still marching about basically the same set of problems suggest, no. Are we just not doing it right, since King?

Malcolm, Robert Williams and a young group of politically charged folk like Kwame Ture (then Stokley Carmichael) to counter balance and add force to the movement.

Just like the abolitionist movement for every one there was a insurrection or rebellion that was happening or rumored.

ppl say this, and i believed it for a while.
but then i thought about it.

was Malcolm leading a riot?
was he encouraging one?

he was pro self defense,
at a time when black ppl were being attacked at a time when it was
socially acceptable to beat up and kill black ppl.

but malcom wasn't about leading a violent charge against YT.


>Malcolm, Robert Williams and a young group of politically
>charged folk like Kwame Ture (then Stokley Carmichael) to
>counter balance and add force to the movement.
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>Just like the abolitionist movement for every one there was a
>insurrection or rebellion that was happening or rumored.

which ain't violent.
Malcolm was not a fan on non-violent resistance,

but that don't make him violent.

and i don't like it when ppl characterize him as "violent"
because it makes it look like he was on some "new black panther party" kill whitey bullshit.

that's not what he was about.

so you know white people were shook as hell.

1. Martial law will be declared?
Why?
Well, why not. Please believe that rich people (White or Black) will NOT be on the front lines. Low-income folks will be the only ones to suffer.

2. You're putting the children in danger.

3. When have we ever won as a result of violent protests?

Other than protest ( violent or non violent)

We need to explore them

Organize

Concerning Violence comes out Dec 5th in NY
national roll out to follow


http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/in-concerning-violence-black-power-mixtape-director-tackles-struggle-for-liberation-via-frantz-fanon-20141126


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they should be "above" using aggressive force as a means for change.



4 Better or 4 Worse

And not just Black people

>they should be "above" using aggressive force as a means for
>change.
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>4 Better or 4 Worse

That's not the point, the point is is it effective

I've yet to see a community better off because of rioting

It's just not a smart way to approach this problem

a change. I live in a neighborhood where there is all types of races of people, African Americans, Whites, Spanish, Jamaicans, etc. I have been living in this type of environment for over 20 years and the only people that I have a problem with is the African Americans. AA's, they seem to seek out their own people to harass and fuck with. I am not saying all African Americans. Even though we are the minority in my area, AA's are the people that I have to worry about in my neighborhood. All of the other races and cultures are more productive and concerned about working and surviving.

You can tell the homes and buildings that African Americans live in because there is always people standing around doing nothing, they are loud, getting high and the police is always called on them. They don't keep up the properties that they live in and love to harass other African Americans that don't participate in their activities.

Being an African American, I can truly say that I hope that I never have to live in an all African American community ever again. If I owned property, I would be very, very careful to allow African American people to live on my property due to all of the problems that I see that they cause. I have also seen owners lose their buildings renting to African Americans.

A person would think that all that we have been through as a race of people that we would care more about each other, instead African Americans can be your worst enemy!!! My brother used to teach at Fenger high school, (south side of Chicago) and he told me that the students would target the outstanding students for acts of violence. I am saying that if a student was on the honor roll at this school, his or her life would be in jeopardy more then the thugs and hoodlums.

First of all, you can't expect other races to respect you as a people if you don't respect yourself!!!

My own opinion about the non-violent approach is, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. A person or a group of people have to make the best decision because chanting, "We shall overcome" without letting folks know that you will take things to a violent level can get you killed. Some people don't respect the kind, "turn the other cheek" approach, I have learned this from experience. Sometimes you can be forced to use violence because that is the only thing that the opponent can understand.

In the cases of violent protests in the past like Martin Luther King, Rodney King and others, it seems like the violent approach was the only thing that helped bring about some kind of change. As long as they were singing and holding hands during the Martin Luther King era, they got chased by dogs, sprayed with hoses and got arrested for peaceful protest. After the movement became a violent storm, a calm came afterward.

People just need to try their best to solve problems without violence but whether we like it or not, acts of war sometimes is the only solution, but African American's first must start to love and respect each other before we can expect others to respect us...Just my own personal opinion :-) :-) :-) !!!



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Like, what you're talking about is a violation of federal law. You wouldn't have to worry about losing your assets to renters; you'd discriminate yourself right out of them on your own.

>Like, what you're talking about is a violation of federal
>law. You wouldn't have to worry about losing your assets to
>renters; you'd discriminate yourself right out of them on your
>own.

***After I have seen owners allow the wrong type of African Americans into their buildings or properties, I have seen them lose their properties due to "Drug Seizures". I would love to have a nice place to rent to my own people but I have seen them come into a buildings and everything might seem alright, then here comes the friends, cousins and other folx standing around, selling drugs, stealing and just keeping up a lot of bullshit!!!

So yes, I probably wouldn't be a person that should purchase rental property because I can tell you for damn sure, my property would not be rented to all African American people, it would have to be other races because this way, it would be better because I do see that it in my daily life that it can work this way because, the African, Spanish & Whites, etc. most likely would be into their own cultures and then if there is not a lot of African Americans and they were living with other races, they wouldn't have anybody to fuck with. From what I have seen, African Americans feel more comfortable to harass their own people. I have seen it so many times and it is sad to say but true...

Well, tell me this...Would you rent your property to African Americans exclusively???



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So, despite being black yourself and not demonstrating the characteristics you're concerned about, you're going to solely attribute said characteristics to the people being black? It's never occurred to you that those individuals may be problematic, not the entire race? Wow.

I'll ask you again, would you rent your building to all African Americans???

>So, despite being black yourself and not demonstrating the
>characteristics you're concerned about, you're going to solely
>attribute said characteristics to the people being black?

***Yup!!! But I would be just like any other reluctant renter, I would not tell them that they couldn't live on my property because I suspect that they could be problematic because they are African Americans. From what I have seen and experienced amongst my own people, yes they would be the last people that I would rent to. I am not saying that there would not be problems of other races. Some people may not be a threat to your building other than the fact that they might not pay rent. If I had a 10 unit building, I would probably rent to 1 Black family but I would have to check them out very thoroughly. They would have to have been employed for so many years, no criminal history at all and I would have to visit their current home before I would rent to them. All of the other races of people are capable as being a problem to rent to but really, as long as the other races are working people, I see less of a problem to rent to them. I believe an enemy is an enemy and a bullet and or a fight is what it is, in other words I prefer to be around other races of people that really don't care for me or my Black people but they mind their own business and I am able to mind my own business. When African Americans come to our neighborhood, another Black person is who they try to attach themselves to, I believe it is more of a safe zone for them. They seem to be afraid to approach other cultures because they don't know anything about them. Most of the Whites in my neighborhood don't even speak to me and that is fine because I like them just as much as they like me, it's all good as long as they mind their own business and I never have problems with them.

>It's
>never occurred to you that those individuals may be
>problematic, not the entire race? Wow.

***Yes, I do understand that we as African American people have had a very rough road in life to survive and we still have a hard time surviving. I am not a counselor nor am I a trained social worker so NO!!!

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE African American people. We are a very physically beautiful race of people that come in all shades and types. We are very creative and talented much more than most other races of people but we are the most destructive and have more "crabs in the barrel" type of people in our race than any others that I have seen.

It seems like through the years of our struggling for equality and being mistreated by the system, a lot of African Americans have become more independent and are not willing to support a Black person that is trying to accomplish something in life. We disgrace ourselves in all aspects of life including the media, a lot of Blacks give a bad impression of our race in all kinds of ways.

My dream in life is to help young Black children, but I don't mind helping children of any race. I wish that I could provide funds to form organizations to help educate them in the proper manner so that they can become productive adults but that is not easy to do either because there is always another African American person to tear down the walls that you may try to build. I have tried on a lower level and it didn't work so I still try to help Black children on a more individual level. I will give you just one example:

I used to volunteer at an after school, I think it was like 5th grade to 8th grade. I had a very good relationship with the children of all races. There was Blacks, Hispanics and Whites working at this school. Sometimes, if the children would get unruly or out of order they would call me to go into the classroom and calm them down and get the kids back in order. I do have a way with animals and children :-) :-) :-) !!! The lady that I worked for would give me candy & small gifts to the children if they behaved themselves. I would come in the class room eating candy and you can believe when I came in the class with a candy bar in my mouth and they would see the bag of candy and gifts that I had, you could hear a pin drop in the class room. One day, one of the Black volunteers came to me and said in a joking manner..."You really have a way with the students??? I would truly hope that you are not a child molester :D :D :D !!!" and I responded to her with a very sincere & serious look and told her, "If I even have a dream that somebody thought that way about me, I would never come back again!!!" It couldn't be any of that MJ child molestation shit with me, fuck them and their kids, folx ain't worth it x( x( x( !!! I did stay and finish the semester working with the children but I would get funny looks from some of the other volunteers when they would call me to help them get the students under control. After the semester was over, I never went back to help out at that school again.

Nope, African Americans really need to get themselves together. I really don't see very much to do but to leave most of them alone :( :( :( !!!




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white ppl will absolutely fuck up your place.

you ever been to college?

the majority of my life and yes, they drink, smoke & get high off of all kinds of stuff, play loud music and are just plain filthy!!! There was a White lady that lived in a house next door to us, she had about 20 dogs and some cats. She moved in the summertime and her place was so filthy that roaches were crawling across the side walks and up the sides of the buildings trying to find a home. The guys that they sent to clean out her house after she moved told us that it was wall to wall roaches and dog shit and that there was no way to walk through her place without stepping in dog shit and her place stunk so bad that they had to put on mask just to go in and open up the windows. I have lived around some that love to play very loud music all night and you could smell all kinds of drugs when you pass their places. Yes, you got a lot of filthy Whites but when it comes to folks standing around waiting to start some shit, selling drugs, fighting outside, police always around and risking losing your property to drug seizures, sorry...I only see it with African Americans...



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i ain't found no demographic of ppl that are less likely to fuck shit up,
given thw chance.

African American people??? Yeah, they fuck up a lot of things, this cannot be denied. Not all AA's but a lot...

>i ain't found no demographic of ppl that are less likely to
>fuck shit up,
>given thw chance.
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98 percent of the human population is awful.
black ppl suck every bit as much as whites.

it sucks all around
and there's no group that's better than the others.

if you think there is a group that sucks less,
you have more optimism than i ever could.

congrats on having more faith in humanity than me.


>African American people??? Yeah, they fuck up a lot of
>things, this cannot be denied. Not all AA's but a lot...
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>>i ain't found no demographic of ppl that are less likely to
>>fuck shit up,
>>given thw chance.
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>98 percent of the human population is awful.
>black ppl suck every bit as much as whites.

***Yes, this is true, African Americans have much less power than the other races of people. A lot of Italian people are the real drug dealers, dealing in BIG money and murders, but they are not out there committing petty crimes like AA's. AA's don't bring the drugs to the community, the drugs are brought to them. We don't have that kind of power. Even African people have more power in this world than AA's. We are the petty crabs in the bottom of the barrel. Difficult to live around, loud and just waiting to commit petty crimes.

>it sucks all around
>and there's no group that's better than the others.
>
>if you think there is a group that sucks less,
>you have more optimism than i ever could.

***Nope, my main issue with AA people is that it is difficult living and associating with a lot of them without a problem. I was in court for 3 years, several years ago with a woman that I thought was my friend. Her boyfriend tried to get my ex-husband to help him participate in some petty theft of stealing from a high named clothing store and when my ex refused, she turned on the both of us, told a lot of lies on me like, I broke into her house and tore up all of her flowers, she said, I stole her license plates off of her car, tore up all of the grass around her house and in all she had 27 counts of lies like this to get me and my ex put in jail. We went to court for 3 years approximately once a month until the case came to trial. When the attorneys started reading the charges, they started laughing and even the judge shook his head because it was obvious that she made up lies. The courtrooms were always crowded each time we went, mainly with a bunch of African American people that with pending petty criminal cases, some of the cases were fatal though, but I used to sit in that courtroom and feel so bad to be a part of such stupidity and standing there looking up at the BIG white judge that would decide our fate. I do have real reasons not to want to be affiliated with too many African Americans.
>
>congrats on having more faith in humanity than me.

***Nope, I don't have a lot of faith in humanity in fact, I feel that all of the problems that we all have today are a result from crimes committed by all races of people, it's just that we are the loud, roudy petty people that commit petty crimes for petty reasons and pay the biggest price!!!

I just hope that all of this unity within the communities will continue and the marches will be as peaceful as possible. After this Ferguson case, I think a change is underway. The police definitely must make a change and the people can make it happen. I still say that out of all of the people African Americans need to get it together but like you, I don't have much faith in humanity because people are too money hungry all over the world.

Thanks for your comments on this discussion :-) :-) :-) !!!
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good luck w/ this.

i mean i have known a ton of responsible black tenants and yes some totally fucked up ones, too. it has a helluva lot more to do with where you're renting. oh you mean renters (and landlords) in the hood are totally fucked? push me over with a fucking feather.

but i know of tons of black tenants and even black neighborhoods where everything is chill. do you think some guy renting a penthouse in philadelphia or a mcmansion in butler, indiana is going to turn your carpet into blunt ash? obviously not. some white college kid probably is though.

i see what you're trying to say here but you are pushing it way too hard.

My brother & sister live in Hazel Crest, IL and it's all Blacks out there. They have been living there for at least 10 years or more and I have never heard one complaint about Hazel Crest. When I visit them, it is very quiet and the neighborhood is very clean.

I guess it does depend on where you live. I live in Chicago and I guess the lifestyles are different. I live in a relatively good very mixed neighborhood where some people here have a lot of money and some don't. The rent is very high in the lakeside area and I know some Whites might have problems paying the rent and I think some of the landlords are willing to except whomever can pay the rent. This is mainly a working community with nice homes & apartments and even some mansions in the area but there are some people that live with more than one family in order to pay the rent.

I guess I feel this way because of some of the issues that I have dealt with over here. Everything was going very well, the neighborhood was very quiet until about 2 years ago. A couple of the landlords rented to a couple of Black families and everything started to change. Drug selling, fights, vandalism. This does happen in my neighborhood but these neighbors keep pushing by attending the neighborhood meetings until these type of people are gone. If it is found out that a landlord allows drug trafficking, they will take their building away from them. This time, it took a while for them to get rid of these people but they did get them out and both of the buildings are boarded up.

I guess, it would be easier and safer to rent to Blacks in more affluent areas. Yes, Whites and all of the other races have their faults and destroy property and have to be evicted but I never see any other race of people hanging out and doing the things that I have seen some of the AA's do. This summer was pretty bad, it seemed like those niggers started multiplying like roaches!!! Sitting outside on the sidewalk in chairs, selling drugs, breaking in peoples cars. Everybody was complaining and some people couldn't take it and moved away. There is one AA brother that talked to us this past summer and he looked at those niggers out there clowning on our block and said, "This is amazing, I don't understand...They act like a bunch of wild animals. I hate all of their Black asses and if I could I would kill all of them!!!" I don't know where this AA brother came from but obviously, he wasn't used to seeing Blacks conduct themselves in such a manner. He is a decent educated AA man with a decent AA wife so maybe they came from a decent AA neighborhood??? Hopefully this coming summer everything will be back to normal.

I don't hate my own color but from what I have seen, if I did own a building, I would feel more secure to rent to several different races of people because each race has a tendency to stick with their own people. Even though there is people that you would mistake for AA's, they basically stick with their own kind and you don't see any of them acting like fools like the AA's. Renting to other races does not insure a nice, clean building but your chances of losing your building to vandalism on the inside and outside and drug trafficking, will be lessoned by keeping the building mixed. It does seem to work where I live...Sorry y'all, I just feel that I can keep it real on OKP :-) :-) :-) !!!




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i don't see how you can hate other ppl less than me.

>i don't see how you can hate other ppl less than me.

***I really am not sure what you are saying but as far as all people go, I don't trust anybody but myself and God. There is definitely snakes and demons in all races. There is also good people in all races but I think it has to be put to a test to know if folx are okay or not. I do know some AA's right in my neighborhood that I would be happy to rent to them if I had rental property. I have known them for years and I know that they would not indulge in any ignorant activities and they would not get out there selling drugs, if they do they surely keep it undercover.

I am pretty friendly with most of the people in my neighborhood. I love learning about different cultures. My closest friends are AA's but I definitely keep most people at a distance no matter what color they are :-) :-) :-) !!!



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i don't know where you grew up
where you can hate whites less than blacks.

or think they're somehow less likely to tear up your shit.

i admire your optimism but i can never share it
because i hate all humans equally.

there's no negative characteristic that's race specific.


all of the ppl suck equally
and to think any group human sucks less than the others
is unduly optimistic.

I don't hate Blacks, I just wouldn't want to rent to too many of them :-) :-) :-) !!!


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rent to them, your shit is just as likely to get fucked up.
because fucking shit up is what humans do.

all humans fuck shit up,
and blacks don't do it more often than whites.


>I don't hate Blacks, I just wouldn't want to rent to too many
>of them :-) :-) :-) !!!
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I don't know if you really ready anything that I posted but I said, "mixed races" meaning Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Orientals etc. As I said, I live in a mixed neighborhood, not Black & White. Yes, I believe mixing it up does work best. I really wouldn't want an all White, Hispanic, Indian or AA building. After living in this type of environment for so long, I see that Black folx don't really want to hang with the folx that cook squid, or goat heads, or chicken feet or duck brains and the other races don't want to hang out with the Blacks that cook greens & ham hocks, chitterlings, etc. All of the races will probably get along and even maybe associate and live together for years but keep it real...folx love their culture and the things that they are used to. If a building owner can keep out filthy people no matter what race they are and keep the building up to standards, there will probably never be too many major problems with one race trying to turn the place into their own little cultures, well at least I have never seen it happen. It seems to work out well, but tell me this...

You act as though you have never had a problem with AA folx??? If you ask me, they sometimes become a problem right here on OKP!!! Can you really tell me that you really can live & work better in an all AA environment without some BS??? In my experiences if there is too many AA's it is usually a problem. It could be the same way with other races but through my own experiences, there is usually always major problems in predominately all AA environments.

We were victims of slavery and we inherited certain characteristics that still exist these days. Face it sir, I wish I could, but this cannot be denied...



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the racial configuration does not matter.
all of them are human beings, and are just as likely to fuck up your shit.

here's one way i am post racial: the only race is the human race and humans are destructive, selfish, dangerous, loathesome animals-- as a general rule.

so no.
i have not had more problems with blacks than other races.
i don't think blacks are more likely to destroy property than other races.

my expectations for all races gets lower every day that goes by,
and so far, yet and still every race of ppl CONTINUES to disapoint me
on levels you can't possibly understand.

>the racial configuration does not matter.
>all of them are human beings, and are just as likely to fuck
>up your shit.

***I have never had any problems with other races trying to fuck up anything of mine. Yes, all races do have their faults and accurate stereotypes to a certain degree, but African Americans are the most dangerous and destructive from what I have seen. I really hate to admit it because we do have a lot of decent African Americans in our country but the ones that are destructive really stand out because of their need to be seen and heard and there is a lot of African Americans that harbor a lot of slavery-type stuff...I won't even get into it though...

>here's one way i am post racial: the only race is the human
>race and humans are destructive, selfish, dangerous,
>loathesome animals-- as a general rule.

Yes, but I notice most other races of people do stick together, especially where money is concerned, on the whole, African Americans do not...
>
>so no.
>i have not had more problems with blacks than other races.
>i don't think blacks are more likely to destroy property than
>other races.

***Lucky for you!!! It is amazing me that you are amazed that I have had some terrible encounters with my own race. I do know a lot of African American people that have had very bad experiences with AA people, like I said before when I used to go to domestic violence court the courtrooms were at least 70 percent AA's in most cases.

>my expectations for all races gets lower every day that goes
>by,
>and so far, yet and still every race of ppl CONTINUES to
>disapoint me
>on levels you can't possibly understand.

***You can't have HIGH expectations of any race of people, you have to start off looking at all races of people as individuals until they show their asses and it seems that with races other than AA's, you will probably have a conflict about money. All of the other races seem to be more money hungry and grafty than AA's. Most are more low-keyed and sneaky but as I said, the other races will stick together even if they hate each other for the sake of money.

I really couldn't tell you any race of people that I know that don't use or sell drugs, steal & swindle but it seems that we AA's are our own worst enemy's. Do you watch the news at all??? Do you see how many AA's are killing each other everyday, even children for nothing??? I sometimes wonder can and will we AA's survive as a race of people??? It is surely questionable if we don't make a change...



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>>but African American's first must start
>to love and respect each other before we can expect others to
>respect us...Just my own personal opinion :-) :-) :-) !!!

If you do, I'd have to question why you believe your statement above to be true.
And how does any of this address what is going on currently? How does it relate to police brutality? Looks more like a typical deflection tactic to me. "Oh we don't deserve respect, every other people act better than us"... blah blah blah more brainwashed bs.

4 Better or 4 Worse

***If so, have do you know that Black on Black crime is outrageous??? Blacks killing Blacks in the U.S. every day for absolutely nothing??? I think we really need to stop the violence amongst each other....

>>>but African American's first must start
>>to love and respect each other before we can expect others
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>>respect us...Just my own personal opinion :-) :-) :-) !!!


>If you do, I'd have to question why you believe your statement
>above to be true.
>And how does any of this address what is going on currently?

***First of all, African Americans don't get out and vote like everybody else. (When I speak of African Americans, I am not talking about all AA's but a lot of AA's).

>How does it relate to police brutality? Looks more like a
>typical deflection tactic to me. "Oh we don't deserve
>respect, every other people act better than us"... blah blah
>blah more brainwashed bs.

***African Americans don't attend their neighborhood council meetings and don't show any concern about their community until something happens to one of their own. Then they just sit and talk about the shit amongst each other as to why nothing is being done about the killings in their community. We have the power to control our own communities by being vocal at council meetings and expressing the need to have more police protection. We have the power to vote politicians out of our community that we feel are not listening and full filling their needs in their communities. You can't tell me that I am lying about this because I have attended a lot of meetings in my own neighborhood and you are lucky to see any African Americans at these meetings. Their is mostly Whites, Hispanics and a few other Black people like Africans & Jamaicans and other Island Blacks.

A lot of races of people feel that we don't give a damn about each other. The stereotype is that all we do is get high and have babies by a lot of different men...a lot of times this is true. AA's give their local politicians total power by not participating in meetings and discussions about their neighborhoods. You can believe that the police talk about AA's very badly and they can get away with it. I have never heard the police say anything myself but I do know people that see AA's getting loud, clowning in the streets, selling drugs and stealing anything that is not nailed down and I heard some AA's say that the police say, "I wish I could line all of their Black asses up and put bullets in everyone of them" or they might come to a Black crime scene and sarcastically say, "Oh...None of 'em got killed???...what a waist of time". In other words, the majority of us don't care about each other and the other people don't give a fuck about us.

I already answered the question about protests and I said in so many words, that sometimes you can get results from peaceful protest and sometimes, violence in high volumes is the only way to be heard. If we stuck together and took control of our neighborhoods, the police and politicians would have more fear and respect for us, but since we don't, they feel that they can do us however they feel like doing us and get away with it.

I am always on alert when it comes to discrimination amongst Blacks nowadays and way back in the past. We have come far as Black people through Black people but things should be better. I feel that the riots of the MLK days did bring about a change and opened doors for Black people. We have come up and have been able to get better education, jobs and better places to live easier than we did before the MLK riots. Back then Blacks did stick together more than they do now. WTF happened??? Looks like the "crack-rock" epidemic really made a change for the worse in our community. Back in the 80's they came up with a brilliant idea to put crack-rock in the hands of young Blacks and allow them to sell these drugs right outside of their homes, they gave niggers easy access to guns. Niggers followed the master plan, instead of grasping the student loans provided for us and getting educated, we chose the quick money route and ruined a lot of our communities. There is more Black women on drugs than ever before. Some Blacks did benefit and come up during the crack-rock epidemic and used money and business skills that they learned in the streets and became very wealthy, especially rappers. Now, a poor drug dealer is lucky to be able to buy a good mountain bike and ride it, they can't even afford hoopties, their block range has been cut tremendously and they can't make the money they used to so AA's have become more stupid and violent than ever before...

Now...If you find any lies or untruths in this post...Please let me know :-) :-) :-) !!!
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They should be used in conjunction with a larger organized effort for change. Peaceful protests are the public face of a movement and they have their place in bringing sustained attention to an issue or cause, but there should be engagement on multiple levels. So, in a sense, you're right that peaceful protest alone isn't enough, but it was never intended to be.

>They should be used in conjunction with a larger organized
>effort for change. Peaceful protests are the public face of a
>movement and they have their place in bringing sustained
>attention to an issue or cause, but there should be engagement
>on multiple levels. So, in a sense, you're right that peaceful
>protest alone isn't enough, but it was never intended to be.

Exactly, it's not just peaceful protest or violent riots, there are other options. If we could truthfully say we've tried all other option than by all means riot, but when only 12% of the population of your community voted in people that don't look like or care about you then I can't buy that argument. We gotta organize.

They (racists) want us to riot so they can justify their racism.

A little history and perspective for those who think riots bring about positive change


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300103_pf.html

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Burned, Baby, Burned
Watts and the Tragedy of Black America
By John McWhorter
Sunday, August 14, 2005

While many people this month are focused on the controversy surrounding the 40th anniversary of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, I have another civil-rights-related 40th anniversary on my mind. On Aug. 11, 1965, the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles broke out in flames on the nation's television screens. Many cherish the memory as the moment when the militant became mainstream in a "fed-up" black America, replacing the nonviolent, gradualist efforts of old-guard civil rights leaders. The Watts riot indeed shaped modern black American history more decisively than the Voting Rights Act. The question is whether it was in a good way.

In comparison with the polite sleeve-tugging and forms of nonviolent protest typical of the earlier civil rights generation, the sea change in 1965 may seem at first glance to have been an overdue response to the injustice that black America had endured for so long. But after researching the riot and the policies established in its aftermath, I have come to a different conclusion. In teaching poor blacks that picturesque battle poses were an "authentic" substitute for constructive intentions, the "Burn, Baby, Burn" ethos ultimately did more harm than good to a people who had already been through more than enough.

The eternal question about the riots has been: Why did they happen just then? Leaders like Martin Luther King were baffled about this at the time, and the question is still relevant to assessing the black condition. In 1965, black Americans had been dealing with the short end of the stick for almost 400 years. If black American history from the early 1600s to 2005 could be condensed to 24 hours, then these riots took place at 10 p.m. Why not before?

The Watts riot began when white police officers stopped an intoxicated black driver in South Central Los Angeles. He resisted arrest and was forcibly subdued. A rumor quickly spread that the officers had beaten a pregnant black woman, and a growing mob started throwing rocks and bottles at the cops. The incident snowballed into a five-day conflagration, with blacks destroying a thousand businesses. Thirty-four people died, more than 1,000 were hospitalized and nearly 4,000 were arrested.

This was the first episode in a series of "long hot summers" in the late '60s, when blacks went on to riot and loot in one city after another. The Detroit rendition two years later was especially horrific, with 43 deaths, more than 7,200 arrests, and about 2,500 stores trashed.

The conventional wisdom at the time was that blacks were rebelling against the conditions they were forced to live in. I was born two months after Watts, but growing up, this was the justification I heard time and again. The Watts rioters lived in an America where about one in three black families lived below the poverty line while just a little more than one in 10 white families did. Twice as many black as white men were unemployed. Redlining policies barring blacks from white neighborhoods were in force until the Fair Housing Act of 1968 -- and under the table, even afterward.

But even so, there were a few too many things about the Watts riot and the later ones that did not quite make sense if they were to be seen as the outcome of injustice.

For one thing, these were the first urban race riots driven by blacks instead of whites. Before this, race riots in American cities involved white bigots storming into black neighborhoods and terrorizing residents, often because of rumors that a black man had "assaulted" a white woman, as was the case when whites torched the prosperous black quarter of Tulsa in 1921. For struggling blacks, burning down their own neighborhoods only became a part of the protest vocabulary in the mid-'60s -- just as the Great Society was getting into gear. Moreover, black rioters in Watts ruined black-owned businesses as lustily as white ones, even when stores had "Soul Brother" signs in the window. How was this a rebellion against racism?

Another strange thing: The worst riots happened in places where conditions for blacks were best. If one had to predict in August 1965 where black-led riots might be most likely, the obvious choice would have been the deep South. And yet, very few of the riots in the late '60s took place in the most bigoted region in America: There was no memorable race riot in Atlanta or Birmingham. As for Watts, just the year before the riots, the National Urban League had rated Los Angeles the best city in the nation for blacks to live in. Several studies have shown no correlation between the destructiveness of the black-led riots in a given city and conditions for blacks there.

Some suppose that the Civil Rights Act had dangled before blacks a promise of improvement that seemed to bear no fruit. But the Watts riot happened just one year after the Civil Rights Act came into effect. It is an insult to say that blacks would burn their own neighborhoods down in fury because America was not a brand-new place just months after passage of this legislation, as if change ever occurs that fast. And there had been smaller black-led riots in a few places such as Harlem and Rochester in July of 1964 -- just after the Civil Rights Act was signed.

In general, black America had been "fed up" for centuries before 1965. A useful black history must identify a different factor that sparked the events in Watts and across the land. This factor was a new mood. Only in the 1960s did a significant number of blacks start treating rebellion for its own sake -- rebellion as performance, with no plan of action behind it -- as political activism.

This did not come from nowhere, to be sure -- and where it came from was whites. In the '60s, it became a hallmark of moral sophistication among whites to reject establishment mores, culminating in the counterculture movement. The movement was based initially on laudable intentions: Few today could condemn young, informed whites for rising up against political censorship, racism and later the Vietnam War, or a newly concerned white ruling class for turning its attention to poverty and its disproportionate impact on black people.

But political rebellion always leaves in its wake people who are moved more by the sheer theatrics of acting up than by the actual goals of the protest. At the University of California at Berkeley in 1964, for example, the Free Speech Movement rose up against indefensible suppression of students' speaking truth to power. But on the same campus the following year, a new bunch started the "Filthy Speech Movement," based on emblazoning curse words on placards and watching the suits squirm. It was rebellion for rebellion's sake.

That kind of unintentional by-product of genuine activism hit black America between the eyes. Seasoned black civil rights leaders like Bayard Rustin and A. Phillip Randolph -- who had made real, if gradual, progress in the struggle -- watched as younger sorts shunned their brass-tacks lobbying and rhetorical persuasion in favor of high-profile altercations, preferably involving getting arrested on television. In 1963, Rustin told the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) that "the ability to go to jail should not be substituted for an overall social reform program." But Rustin's speech didn't go over too well with SNCC that night, and three years later, the group edged out undramatic but proactive John Lewis as its leader in favor of rabble-rousing polemicist Stokely Carmichael. Acting out was now the main point.

The idea that rebellion for its own sake was the soul of black authenticity began with some charismatic figures like Carmichael and H. Rap Brown, but soon imprinted a new generation of black artists and intellectuals. The new mood was seductive in its visceral impact, especially to a people whose history had given them so little else to base an identity upon.

Certainly not all blacks fell for it. But enough did that some hotheads surrounding some police cars in Watts one night could spark a vast rebellion instead of being shouted down and ignored.Why not just embrace August 1965 as the time when black America, for whatever reason, started "speaking up?" Because to settle for this is to ignore the destruction of black communities that the new mood left in its wake.

This was not only the physical destruction still on view in the black sections of cities like Detroit, or in less renowned cities like Indianapolis, where solid businesses never returned after the 1967 riot, leaving once-fabled Indiana Avenue hard to imagine as anything but the downmarket stretch that it has since been. There is the deeper destruction that was ultimately wrought. The hopeless plight of today's black inner city is often blamed on the flight of low-skilled factory jobs and the rise of drugs in poor urban neighborhoods. These factors surely contributed to inner-city misery, but my research leads me to conclude that they were hardly the leading causes of the psychic deterioration that soon overtook poor black America. That, instead, was the urban welfare state that was in large part the product of the model of high-pitched, menacing protest that had now been established.

That model was quickly taken up by the National Welfare Rights Organization the year after Watts. As has been documented in many studies, Columbia University professors Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven declared to the press and beyond that poor blacks would be better off seeking welfare payments than working in low-level jobs. They explicitly predicted that if they brought enough people onto the welfare rolls, it would force the government to give a guaranteed income to all poor people. They taught a squadron of activists, many of them black women, to stage rallies across the country and disrupt public meetings calling for welfare to be easier to get, more generous and easier to stay on.

Rarely has radical idealism had such a destructive effect on so many lives. Before the '60s, welfare payments had been intended for widows and women whose children's fathers were nowhere to be found. But in the wake of the new agitation, municipal governments relaxed the old requirements bit by bit.

The new politics of protest was a potent weapon. The riots loomed always as a threat (partly because the Black Panthers loomed menacingly at many of the rallies), and many politicians knuckled under. From 1966 to 1970, the number of people on welfare nationwide doubled from under 500,000 to almost a million. This was not part of Washington's Great Society agenda, which focused on job creation and training. It was a radical side effort, with grievous consequences.

The change was most profound in black communities -- because blacks had been the main target of the recruitment efforts. In Indiana from 1964 to 1972, welfare recipiency tripled in only 11 of 92 counties. Of those 11, only one did not have a heavy black population -- in a state where about 75 counties were almost all white and poverty widespread in about 30 of them.

Over the next 30 years, multigenerational families lived on government money, fathers had no incentive to take care of the children they made, and poor black communities devolved from shabby but stable slums into hopeless, violent deathscapes. This lasted for so long that the precarious stability of old-time black communities was all but forgotten. But while communities changed, black attitude and political protest as performance has come to seem normal. The models for leadership are not Shirley Chisholms, but talkers like Al Sharpton. And when a spark falls, like the Rodney King verdict in 1992, the same impulses and often the same type of violence travel through black communities as did in Watts.

These are the sad examples of what happened when agitprop went mainstream in black activism. The Watts riots were useful in helping push racial injustice further into the national conversation. But the kind of protest model Watts exemplified would best have been left on the margins, as it had always been.

The new mood that the Watts riots inaugurated was a tragedy for black America, dragging poor blacks into depths of malaise they might never have known otherwise. This is why the Voting Rights Act is not the only reason that 1965 is the year that black America must never forget.

John McWhorter, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, is the author of "Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America," to be published by Gotham Books in February 2006.