that other thread is a monster...

mods can delete if they don't think it's necessary

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12655478&mesg_id=12655478&page=

much of it is legal...

most of it is ethically questionable...

an appropriate amount of it is illegal

i know 40 year old men who only pursue barely legals...they are gross and they are predators...but they conveniently escape the serial rapist label

i don't think cosby is them...

though many of them, and probably some of yall rely on alcohol and drugs, or seek out "easy targets"...yall and them aren't celebs...i think there is a huge benefit to accusing him of rape bc he is a celeb and a very polarizing one at that

i think the cos is guilty of crossing the legal line...i'm not certain each accusation is one of those cases

it took one accusation to bring them all out...and i think it's false to say they have no reason to lie just like i think it's false to say he has no reason to rape just like i think it's false that ANY woman who willingly goes back to her rapist is lying...

i feel like...JD despite her "craziness" has less of a reason to lie than say someone who did continue to have a relationship with him past the alleged rape...i do think their are some flaws in her story but i don't think they undermine her story enough to "defend" Cos

i very well could be guilty of a bias...but i'd have the same (or more) bias if these accusers were men which doesn't make it any better obviously

but yea...i do think he's guilty of enough of these crimes to be indefensible...but not enough to call him a serial rapist just yet

I remember hearing about Spanish Fly in Jr High or Grade school but at the time I had no clue we were discussing how to rape a woman.

>I remember hearing about Spanish Fly in Jr High or Grade
>school but at the time I had no clue we were discussing how to
>rape a woman.

Spanish Fly has long been a mythical, fascinating subject for teenage boys.

I don't know if kids still talk about it but I know when I was a teen we all wanted to get our hands on it. None of us had any idea of what it looked like, how it worked, what the effects were... all we knew is that it was supposed to make a girl have sex with you and that's what made the idea of it exciting.

That's exactly what Cosby's comedy bit was about. How he grew up wondering what the fuck this shit was, so much that when he went to Spain he wanted to find out (and so did Bob Culp)... only for him to get there and realize that Spanish men were just as fascinated and ignorant about it.

it's a pretty innocent comedy bit about how weirded out and clueless young men are about sex but everybody's got to view through the rape-tinted glasses to make it about some shit that it's not.

but yea...a lot is just being repeated #TEAMUS style as usual

abby and luvlee have brought up great points i think

going on.

but this unveiling of afkap is interesting.

>but this unveiling of afkap is interesting.

world view is interesting

That is, just based on what I have said here... could you give me some idea of the impression you've gotten of my values.

I'm really interested. Because I know that the stuff I'm talking about entails a serious risk of coming off wrong, but I'd like to know exactly how "wrong" I might be coming off.

I kinda look at it like one of those situations... like how most of us got whupped by our parents growing up. That was just something that happened back then. Well-meaning parents did it because it's what their parents did and their grandparents did, and everybody thought that was just the way life worked.

Today, in 2014, the current thinking is that beating a child with a switch is abuse.

Alright... we know better. We're not gonna beat kids no more going forward.

But it gets tricky when you have people who grew up in the 70s suddenly deciding that they were abused by their parents. I'm not talking about people who were genuinely abused... I mean, people who just got standard-issue whuppings and are now looking at the past through the eyes of the present.

(An example of this is the way people are reacting to Cosby's old "Spanish fly" routine which is perfectly innocent in its own context, imho... but when you cast the light on the present on it, it takes on a new shape)

And since we're slinging around psychological studies, there are plenty of studies about this... about how suggestible the brain is to creating new memories or new interpretations of old memories when introduced to new information.

Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they have truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their contact with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be heard. They deserve to be healed.

But there's something about the hysterical tone of this narrative that bugs me a little.

As I've said, it's more than just about Cos. It's a cultural, systematic thing... But of course, we can't indict a bygone culture. We need a human face to pin it on.

Even if Cos did these things, it's not like he was just this unique rapist going around acting like this. I bet ya if Cos goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the 60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and is a rough town, especially for pretty young women. Maybe that needs to happen, maybe all this dirty, filthy shit needs to be exposed to the world... I dunno.

(I AM NOT APOLOGIZING FOR THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR BY ANY MEANS)

>As I've said, it's more than just about Cos. It's a cultural
>thing... But of course, we can't indict a bygone culture. We
>need a human face to pin it on.
>
>Even if Cos did these things, it's not like he was just this
>unique rapist going around acting like this. I bet ya if Cos
>goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start
>popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the
>60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and
>is a rough town, especially for pretty young women. Maybe that
>needs to happen, maybe all this dirty, filthy shit needs to be
>exposed to the world... I dunno.

don't know where to start with this

fuck photos, but then you said this and now i'm blown all over again.

you can't keep doing this to me.

show me the consideration that bill cosby would not.

come on... there's some hyperbole here.

Obviously we all used Polaroids for a range of purposes. I have Polaroid pictures of childhood picnics, birthday parties, etc as much as I'm sure you do.

But at the same time, that WAS one of the main appeals of the cameras when it was first introduced and continued to be a major selling point for Polaroid.

This shouldn't be surprising... You've heard the old adage that whenever a new technology comes into the market, the first thing we ask as human beings is "How can we use it to fuck?"

The porn industry is always the early adopter for any new innovation. Porn really pushed the Internet into widespread use. Porn is what made it possible for us to all have VCRs in our homes.

Even when the telephone was first introduced, the first thing people used it for was phone sex.

All of this is documented... look it up!

Anyway, I'm not saying that Janice could not have had the Polaroid for any other reason, but when you're in a hotel room taking Polaroids of a man relaxing in a robe, talking on the phone like he's got not a care in the world....

..well, my mind goes certain places.

Maybe it's just me.

.

surely that is not a difficult concept to digest

.

1) photo and later video compression
2) secure online payment system
3) user accounts
4) pop-up ad and cookie integration
5) multi-site "syndication"

The list goes on.
And when google glass takes off, it will be a killer porn app that pre-empts its mainstream acceptance

I'm just confused on how it relates to THIS story.

If a woman cries rape 5 years from now and used google glasses to show dude was in the room is someone going to point out how google glasses are used for sex?

Just seems like an odd thing to say when discussing a rape accusation.

If JD used a canon would it change AfKAPS view on the story?

but i'm just responding to your "new technology = sexy time" question.
to which the answer is yes. cutting edge technology is always used for "cutting" first :-)

porn industry hasn't driven adoption of anything since the original websites.

the argument "porn leads the adoption of new technology" isn't true, hasn't been true for a decade, and anyone who isn't a moron knows it.

reading the entire thread -- people use new stuff to get laid. this is consistently true. once people have a thing, they use to find people to have sex with, or with people they have sex with.

also, anything with a camera gets used all. the. time.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>porn industry hasn't driven adoption of anything since the
>original websites.
which was in early 90s, right?
btw a quick google will demonstrate that you are exagerrating as to how long it's been since porn industry (or sex related usage) had an impact on technology adoption.
>
>the argument "porn leads the adoption of new technology"
>isn't true, hasn't been true for a decade, and anyone who
>isn't a moron knows it.
so 2004 then?

which is it? one decade or two decades?



>reading the entire thread -- people use new stuff to get laid.
>this is consistently true.
unless you want to split hairs, i'm sure you can allow for some overlap porn industry and sex. afterall the polaroid discussion did not start from afkap implying that the girl was working for Playboy...lol

>once people have a thing, they use
>to find people to have sex with, or with people they have sex
>with.
so you basically agree?
either way you can have the last word on it if you want. i know that i am right and i am not that invested in this particular tangent.

>But it gets tricky when you have people who grew up in the 70s
>suddenly deciding that they were abused by their parents. I'm
>not talking about people who were genuinely abused... I mean,
>people who just got standard-issue whuppings and are now
>looking at the past through the eyes of the present.
>
>(An example of this is the way people are reacting to Cosby's
>old "Spanish fly" routine which is perfectly innocent in its
>own context, imho... but when you cast the light on the
>present on it, it takes on a new shape)
>
>And since we're slinging around psychological studies, there
>are plenty of studies about this... about how suggestible the
>brain is to creating new memories or new interpretations of
>old memories when introduced to new information.

Could it be that I always felt it was a violation and i immediately went into a depression after the fact but realized that speaking up about it in that climate just wasn't worth my energy? Now I have the space to speak up about how it tarnished my life.


>Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they have
>truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their contact
>with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be heard.
>They deserve to be healed.

Perhaps that's what's happening now?



I bet ya if Cos
>goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start
>popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the
>60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and
>is a rough town, especially for pretty young women. Maybe that
>needs to happen, maybe all this dirty, filthy shit needs to be
>exposed to the world... I dunno.


I think it does need to come out. If it was standard practice in the 70's-80's to rape people (he offered me a drink laced with a drug. I passed out, not blacked out, passed out. I woke up not wearing my clothes and realizing someone had sex with me while I was asleep.) then, yes, that needs to be in the open. We all need to know that it was wrong and it hurt people. It damaged people.

We can't be okay with "my life was forever changed in a negative way from that moment but since everyone else was perpetrating assaults around that time I need to just let it go. I have no right to tell my story."

>Could it be that I always felt it was a violation and i
>immediately went into a depression after the fact but realized
>that speaking up about it in that climate just wasn't worth my
>energy? Now I have the space to speak up about how it
>tarnished my life.

That very well might be the case, and I'm definitely willing to hear them out if it is.

But I'm just still trying to digest stuff like that lady who remained in a relationship with Cos for 20 years after supposedly being raped. I want to understand more about it.

Maybe the big New Yorker or Vanity Fair piece is coming where she gets to explain the way her mind worked, but I don't get it.

If that makes me a tone-deaf, insensitive brute, so be it... Indulge me. But I want to understand. I truly do.

>
>>Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they have
>>truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their
>contact
>>with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be
>heard.
>>They deserve to be healed.
>
>Perhaps that's what's happening now?
>
Like I said, if that's what's happening it's all good.

But I don't think it's wrong to maintain a healthy (though respectful) degree of skepticism, at least initially.

(btw I don't think what Don Lemon asked was particularly "wrong"... though the Don Lemony way he asked it obviously was awkward)


>I think it does need to come out. If it was standard practice
>in the 70's-80's to rape people (he offered me a drink laced
>with a drug. I passed out, not blacked out, passed out. I woke
>up not wearing my clothes and realizing someone had sex with
>me while I was asleep.) then, yes, that needs to be in the
>open. We all need to know that it was wrong and it hurt
>people. It damaged people.

I agree.

And a lot of it HAS been coming out over the years, though not as spectacularly as this.

>We can't be okay with "my life was forever changed in a
>negative way from that moment but since everyone else was
>perpetrating assaults around that time I need to just let it
>go. I have no right to tell my story."

I'm not saying that at all.

I'm just not losing sight of the cultural context for all this stuff (AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I ENDORSE ANY OF IT).

I don't know, maybe that's a bit too much intellectualization on my part? It could be. It's just the way my brain works.

>But I'm just still trying to digest stuff like that lady who
>remained in a relationship with Cos for 20 years after
>supposedly being raped. I want to understand more about it.

Yeah I think this gets into the nuance of different people's reactions to being abused. If she felt she was his mistress or whatever I don't view her much different than a married woman being raped by her husband. She can call it what it was but to me it's a separate issue from the state of their relationship. She was his mistress and he raped her once. She was still his mistress after the fact but now their already effed up relationship got a little more effed up. I doubt theres a lot of respect in those kind of relationships. Respect for each other or themselves.



>Maybe the big New Yorker or Vanity Fair piece is coming where
>she gets to explain the way her mind worked, but I don't get
>it.
>
>If that makes me a tone-deaf, insensitive brute, so be it...
>Indulge me. But I want to understand. I truly do.
>
>>
>>>Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they
>have
>>>truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their
>>contact
>>>with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be
>>heard.
>>>They deserve to be healed.
>>
>>Perhaps that's what's happening now?
>>
>Like I said, if that's what's happening it's all good.
>
>But I don't think it's wrong to maintain a healthy (though
>respectful) degree of skepticism, at least initially.

Word. That's fair.



>(btw I don't think what Don Lemon asked was particularly
>"wrong"... though the Don Lemony way he asked it obviously was
>awkward)

Here's my issue with Don Lemon *pours a glass of juice* I don't understand what his intent was with asking that question to someone who says they were raped. If he was aiming it as a public service message ("I'm sorry this happened to you but maybe we can highlight some ways that could help other people prevent being sodomized") it was a lousy way to go about it. A rapist gonna rape. Very little you can do to prevent it in the moment. If he was genuinely trying to mansplain ways that she could've avoided this ("I'm sorry this happened to you but do you realize you could've done this to avoid that trauma?") he's an asshole.


>I don't know, maybe that's a bit too much intellectualization
>on my part? It could be. It's just the way my brain works.
>


I've watched you argue with people for what seemed like pretty substantial hours of your life re:dangelo. Lol you're just a chatty guy. I think you're just trying to make it all make sense. I think some of us think we have it figured out while some of us are still just trying to make it make sense. Unless he confesses outright, we'll never really know.

>I think you're just trying to make it all make
>sense. I think some of us think we have it figured out while
>some of us are still just trying to make it make sense. Unless
>he confesses outright, we'll never really know.

I feel very uncomfortable with people saying "Bill Cosby is a rapist"

yet at the same time, you'll never find me exactly saying that he's innocent either.

I don't know. I'm trying to understand.

In the end, the chips will fall where they will.

Hopefully in the end, whichever side that is (more) innocent will get some vindication.

>I feel very uncomfortable with people saying "Bill Cosby is a
>rapist"

Yup it's hard to call anyone a rapist. Especially folks who've brought us really great feelings and memories. But a lot of folks are rapists. Not even weird boogeymen types but superstars and regular people like you and me. It's crazy if you stop and think about it. We don't know what they all look like (I know what a few of them look like) but we know folks are doing it going by the number of people we've met who say they were assaulted.


>yet at the same time, you'll never find me exactly saying that
>he's innocent either.
>
>I don't know. I'm trying to understand.
>
>In the end, the chips will fall where they will.
>
>Hopefully in the end, whichever side that is (more) innocent
>will get some vindication.


Indeed. We can only hope.

>Here's my issue with Don Lemon *pours a glass of juice*

>chatty guy. I think you're just trying to make it all make
>sense. I think some of us think we have it figured out while
>some of us are still just trying to make it make sense. Unless
>he confesses outright, we'll never really know.
>


Agreed we may never know and considering cosbys reaction he isn't budging
He strikes me as that stubborn and "above the fray" it'll go away...it did last time...and the time before...lemme throw a bit more money at it...

Where I'm at is the past 14 years or so realizing I was part of the collective consciousness that 'forgot' and Hannibals words struck home and seeing folks try their damnedest to pick this apart and consequently pick those women apart when really if this was really say family Cosby would be put on THAT list dont have the kids near him don't invite him to dinner etc and as a community we didn't even go that far.

So watch the show, reruns, his old comedy
But stop asking him to speak! (ie stop inviting him to dinner)
Anymore commemorative etc nah we good
He comes up in collective conscience he is now remembered as the funny uncle who God knows but none of this is good....no don't ask him to donate to the church lol fine the family reunion but let's be on this side of the park...no rides home


going round and round With the questions and most of the questions falling along mad typical lines, damages those women more than him
Let them speak
if a few lied exaggerated that also comes out
But the picking apart only serves to silence them and yet again have other women AND men currently turning over odd moments in their head
Going oh hell no I'm not saying shit, look at folks


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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

This is a new and interesting concept...


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I meant the hysterical tone of the media--both mainstream and social.

I'm sorry if that was not clear. I thought it was.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

there's no mistake in what afkap is inferring by using it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I dunno if I should be flattered that someone pays that much attention to my words that they read them so deeply, pick them apart, try to interpret them in historical context.

arguments based on research.

I can just assume you haven't thought though your statements and are just shitting words out everywhere if that's what you want.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

FOH with trying to relate the use of a common word like "hysterical" to some shit about uteruses. You're really reaching here.


EDIT: Fuck. I forgot that I am supposed to be ignoring you. Well... back to that.

if I'm to believe you don't know about that, I'll accept it. sorry, you like to put forward the idea that you research things before saying them.

cool, you're a thoughtless person. it explains a lot about your posts.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

"But it gets tricky when you have people who grew up in the 70s suddenly deciding that they were abused by their parents. I'm not talking about people who were genuinely abused... I mean, people who just got standard-issue whuppings and are now looking at the past through the eyes of the present."


who did this?

you were in the room with them when they were beaten in the 70s, now you can tell them they're re-imagining things in the 2000s? unless you got a time travel kit, that's a hell of a fucking trick.

consistent pattern of behavior.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>who did this?
>
>you were in the room with them when they were beaten in the
>70s, now you can tell them they're re-imagining things in the
>2000s? unless you got a time travel kit, that's a hell of a
>fucking trick.

It's called a hypothetical, Einstein.

It's called an illustration.

The fact that you're actually trying to argue with me on the veracity of an example I invented to illustrate a point shows why even speaking to you is a waste of time.

it's something you believe.

It's a weird thing to believe, but you do.

I didn't write that shit for you, it's a thought you pulled out. and it's a stupid one.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

glad to see I remain in your thoughts

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

There've been times I couldn't really separate the person from their work (R Kelly's music just seems creepy if you imagine he's talking to teens rather than adults).

But I think I could totally separate Cosby, the show, from Cosby, the man. So I am a little pissed that some channels are pulling the show off (not like I was actually watching but I'd like to at some point in the future).

and I STILL watched Cosby on TVLand....

it's a great show.

Damn shame...

$8 for 1 and 2
$8 for 3 and 4

Trying to hold off for the other 4 seasons for the prices to go down...

Prices might go up. Grab a used copy now.
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We mustn't let him die!

If mawfuggas are careful not to ruin kids image of Santa Claus we must do the same here.

story does fine at making her look at a minimum unstable at that time...but it was common knowledge that was the case with her..

but to me the specifics of her story aren't as important as the general story she's telling...and how it's pretty much the same story as all these other women coming out..

again I don't really see how so far removed one can prove he did anything "illegal".... but his problem now is that there are multiple women telling a similar story and there are parts of the story that his own lawyers have previously copped to re: the pills...

here's what I'm pretty sure is true...

He was often in compromising positions with multiple women while he was married....

pretty confident that is true...

the other problem with that is the existence of pills in those situations.... all of them are talking about pills and his own lawyer copped to one of those scenarios involving pills...just a disparity on the type of pills...

see...to me that is problematic......

whether a crime was committed again is probably impossible to prove right now....but regardless..the 2 things I mention above are problematic for him...

and also...Janice Dickson's story is not what broke this open...she spoke genrally on something happening years ago..... she is just the most famous....so far ..of the women making the claims....

also... and I think this news is just starting the hit the media....there was a reporter who 6 years ago tried to break this story but could not find anyone outlets to run with it....I'm hearing that a lot of what he was repaired to report on 6 years ago, is pretty much what all these women are saying today...again...that is more than problematic because it means that these women aren't coming out of the woodworks right today with this story..if this report had this info 6 years ago..and it's consistent..then claiming these women are adding extras today simply isn't factual..

I'm also hearing that Janice Dickson is but the first famous women who is going to come out with a claim like this...again...that's not good for Cosby..

honestly....what I think he should do...and it would honestly make all of this go away..he needs to cop to the general infidelity.... say it was 30plus years ago...say his wife and family forgave him..and then be adamant he didn't commit any crimes.... If he does that people will believe him (assuming there is no smoking gun pointing to a crime that comes out)...but people will believe him and this story will go away....

he needs to be sitting down on camera with Oprah here in the next few weeks..

and the lesson to be learned form this is when you're a famous person...and you're married..and you was trickin...your comeuppance may not happen right way...but it will come..and you got to take the perp walk on it even if it was in the past...you do that...and move on.

Seems to me that white twitter wanted Cos the fuck outa the paint.

i think this story may have gentrified the twitterverse

at first, i was really on that "dem broads just trying to get that hush money/ 15 mins of fame", steez...then i thought about them still taking trips and hanging around cos after he allegedly did these things...it's still hard for me to reconcille...but...after reading part of the last post about abuse victims (spousal, child, clergy, sports, etc) i kinda see why they might have not been thinking at top capacity

...i'm still not convinced Cos did it, but at the least he's definitely a duchebag for playing around with all these women and cheating on the homie Camille...it really does taint his "legacy" and it should

>...i'm still not convinced Cos did it, but at the least he's
>definitely a duchebag for playing around with all these women
>and cheating on the homie Camille...it really does taint his
>"legacy" and it should


it looks like they might have had an "arrangement"

Obviously it still absolutely obliterates his World's #1 Dad image.

i think that they have an arrangement/agreement that was long ago established.

that's also why i have no sympathy for her when people keep talking about the AP reporter asking Bill about the rapes as she sat there. Camille knows what her husband is about and none of this is new to her.

>that's also why i have no sympathy for her when people keep
>talking about the AP reporter asking Bill about the rapes as
>she sat there. Camille knows what her husband is about and
>none of this is new to her.

Still, I think that his refusal to comment on anything is still a (misguided) effort to protect her in some way.

>Still, I think that his refusal to comment on anything is
>still a (misguided) effort to protect her in some way.
He thinks he's being noble and "falling on his sword" because he abused his free punany privileges. The deal with these arrangements is usually "do anything you want but don't bring me shame". If he admits that he's a scumbag but denies being a rapist, Camille is now expected to react. Her own character is called into question. Does she have to pretend surprise, become angry etc?

she sat there like "see Bill, I told you this shit would follow you around for life"

maybe "smug" isn't the right word.

but it was definitely a smile that displayed a certain _truth_

>that's also why i have no sympathy for her when people keep
>talking about the AP reporter asking Bill about the rapes as
>she sat there. Camille knows what her husband is about and
>none of this is new to her.

that shit bugged me for some reason.
I know, grown folks and their "arrangements", but...

on another note, the way Cosby looks now makes me think dude has been ill (and approaching some kind of degenerative mental condition) for some time. dude ain't even tryna shave his face or nothing.

.

he wasn't funny at all. Just sounded angry.

The audience laughed one time and it was a sympathy laugh... like they wanted to laugh much more but he creeped them out.

.

She isn't white but close enough

What do you think upper crust white ladies learned to do best?

Smile and suck it up
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

let's talk about the press.

so AP released that video of cosby asking that his no comment section not
be aired.

there's a lot going on here.

1) cosby was under the impression that he had an agreement with AP not to ask about this stuff.

when he asked it not to be aired, he almost seemed child-like and meek.
it's easy to feel bad for him in that scene.
if he's innocent, he's asking them to not air this because it will besmirch his good name.
if he's guilty, he's either using psychological tricks to cover his tracks or he's afraid of being branded a rapist.

either way, it's sad.
also sad, is camile next to him, acting as if nothing out of the
ordinary is happening. which means she is either complicit
w/ cosby's behavior or just doesn't believe the allegations.

the interviewer can't promise the clip won't air, so cosby pulls rank.
or tries to. he mentions dude's boss, and also attacks the interviewers integrity.
he does it so naturally, it seems like it can't be the first time he's had this conversation.

but to me, what's chilling, is that AP released the clip.
to me, that was a message to cosby that we aren't reenforcing your narrative anymore.
you've lost control of your image and we ain't backing you up on it.

the reason that's chilling is that regardless of cosby's guilt or innocence,
at one point he was calling the shots on what gets aired and what doesn't.
meanwhile, AP (and most media outlets) try to present themselves
as impartial observers that don't craft the narrative that gets presented.


again, let's put aside cosby's guilt or innocence for a second.
let's look at how this has been reported over the past 20 yrs.
in one narrative, these incidents don't exist.
in one narrative, they do.

no new information came out to warrant the change.
but somehow, the narrative has changed.
and AP leaked the video to let him know that they ain't in his corner any more.


to me, it's unsettling that the media can maintain two different narratives.
they turned on a dime but let's remember-- no new information surfaced
to warrant the switch.

either cosby is guilty or innocent.
so one of these narratives is a lie.

and apparently, the media can switch the narrative at the drop of a hat.
it makes me wonder what else the media
reports (or doesn't report) that shapes our perception of the world.

we can talk all day about cosby's guilt or innocence.
but what's troubling is that the media at one point had a narrative that these
allegations DIDN'T exist...

and now, with no new information,
the allegations DO exist.

and if you are wondering why that matters,
think back to the media coverage leading up to the Iraq war.

is anybody else disturbed that a media machine
can create and destroy stories out of thin air?
if you think i'm exaggerating about that,
ask bill cosby and the alleged victims about whether the media
can create or destroy a world on a whim.

one minute it doesn't exist.
the next minute it does.


a question that i would want the answer to is
what type of person has the power to flick that switch.

and perhaps more importantly, can anything be done
to check their ability to create or destroy a narrative whenever they feel like.

i think AP held on to the tape because at the time of the interview the story was still unfolding and Cosby didn't really say anything in that part of the interview. i think that the whole time they held on to it they were mulling over when and if to release it.

then after
-the NPR interview aired
-a couple more women's stories were highlighted
-JD story was revealed
-the public began to demand a response from Cosby

that portion of the AP interview became relevant and newsworthy. that's why they released it. i don't think they were necessarily trying to shape public opinion (not that the media doesn't do that), i think that they were responding to public demand.

maybe the clip wasn't newsworthy until his "no comments" became a story.
still...

he's been not commenting on it for_years_.
because the allegations have been around for _years_.

again, removing his guilt or innocence from the equation,
the public is now reacting to this because the media is actually reporting it.

they don't report it, the public doesn't care.
they do report it, the public does.

the media didn't get *new* information to make them start reporting it.
they just started to report it, so now it's getting talked about.

that's-- scary.

who's deciding this stuff?
i think this is where the blackity black folks are talking to RE: this case.
it feels like the media upped and turned on the cos and in a way they are right.

because they weren't talking about it before,
they are talking about it now,
and they knew about it
so SOMEWHERE there is a lie.
(either a lie of omission BEFORE hanibal burress,
or a lie of comission now.)

i don't think they are gunning for bill cosby.
but i get why somebody would distrust the process.

and really, who gonna check them?
"they" say or don't say what they want.


and now i am closing this rabbit hole because
this is where my crazy comes out.
i have sampled many ways of looking at the world.
paranoid conspiratorial lunatic was one of them.

i can't go there again.

i just wanted to talk about something that i hadn't seen discussed
in these threads.

deems to be newsworthy. and sometimes it can seem like the process is nefarious.

>deems to be newsworthy. and sometimes it can seem like the
>process is nefarious.


b/c i can't make sense of what's nefarious and what ain't.
it can all seem like smoke and mirrors.
and having that feeling ain't much better than being "in the matrix."

maybe that's even what "they" want ppl like me to feel.
it's ALL bulllshit, can't trust anything.



and in defense of AFKAP-- not that i agree with the stuff he's saying,
but i think he is presenting most of his more controversial points
as a reaction to the feeling that the media can snap their fingers
and make something true.

i don't think he's doing a victim blaming thing.
it's more of a "how did you ppl start feeling this way over night" thing.

but i dunno.

all these guys had stores that were set to print and each one of them were able to get the story shelved by giving an interview or doing other shit in order to keep it on the hush.

I think the media sits on stories until there is a gap that needs filled or one of their competitors breaks it and they have to open up the floodgates.

A little off topic but I remember Outkast doing a show in DC for a radio station. My roommate in college interviewed them and asked how much they got paid for the show. 3K and Big Boi let him know the radio station told them either you do the show for free or we don't play your songs in the DMV area.

Tiger Woods was threatened by Golf Digest to give a full spread interview or they would run the story about his cheating ways. He did the interview and it bought him some time.

yeah.

I've seen too many interviews on TV or radio where an individuals are asked questions that they have stated they would not talk about. Before the interview even gets the question out, their agent or manager stands up in front of the camera to say "mr/mrs. so and so won't be answering any questions about that topic." It's so basic. Many shows will do interviews where it's clearly outlined exactly what will and won't be talked about, and the star has oversight of what will finally air. Orgs like the AP typically won't do that so much. Instead, they just don't really cover the story until it becomes common knowledge and they can't not report it.

He's tone death. Major news orgs were tone death too.


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DJTB YOMM

I had the same feeling.

this made me think of Justin Bieber of all people. how TMZ or whoever held on to that video of him acting like an idiotic white kid until after he did something else unsavory.

>I had the same feeling.
>
>this made me think of Justin Bieber of all people. how TMZ or
>whoever held on to that video of him acting like an idiotic
>white kid until after he did something else unsavory.
>
>


TMZ been had that video.

you can learn a lot from how media works by tracing
how we deal with entertainment news and gossip.

OJ Simpson (and MJ, to a lesser degree)
was the worst thing to happen to news.

those cases invented the 24 hour news cycle
and folks have been eating the poo poo ever since.


there's no longer a voice that asks "Do you ACCEPT..."

When a story in any format of news is published I hope you realize that there could be paragraphs or gigabytes of footage or audio captured for that story.

Much of it is never used. It isn't used because it doesn't advance or inform the particular story being reported. It lands on the cutting room floor.

That doesn't mean that the info no longer exists. That news media company or professional still has the content.

The only thing that will bring that content to life is a fresh angle, some new information. This is called a news peg.

I've defined that below in another subthread but I'll provide another definition here. This is basic journalism.

http://journ101.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/what-is-a-news-peg-again/

A news peg is what makes the story timely or newsworthy now. For example, you could be working for months on a story about, say, increased costs of healthcare in Massachusetts, but your news peg might be a just-announced hike in health insurance costs. It would be the element of the story that makes it timely and important now, the reason why you wouldn’t wait two weeks to run the story.

Another example: the endless array of movie stars who are guests on the late-night shows. Those folks don’t usually show up on those shows because they like to chat with Letterman or Colbert; they do it because — you guessed it — they have a movie or project coming out. That is the ‘news peg’ for having them on the program then. The reason to do it, and do it now.

And you ALWAYS want to have a news peg for your story. If there isn’t an obvious one, you will look for one, because it will make your story stronger. It gives your reader/viewer/listener more reason to pay attention and how it connects to the here and now, instead of looking like a random story that was done because the reporter was really interested in the topic.

they didn't jump on him w/ a camera at his front door.

he was giving an on camera interview, he knew the camera was on, there was no deception.

"gotcha" journalism is one thing (and still not necessarily wrong) but this isn't it.

no one should be able to sit down and do an interview, while being publicly accused of being a rapist (or anything else) and say "there's no discussion of that"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

that's a story.
or at least it should be.

how come the media has the ability to make a story disappear or appear at will?
is anybody else disturbed by their ability to do that?

what kind of person has the ability to make that call about what is (or isn't) reported?
to the point where nobody knew or care about this two weeks ago,
and now the narrative has shifted completely.

even though there's no reason this couldn't have blown up the way it's blown up now
in the 10 if not 20 yrs ago.

that's what I was bringing up in this post.



the media'a ability to create and then change the public narrative overnight
is pretty scary.

to me.

>no one should be able to sit down and do an interview, while
>being publicly accused of being a rapist (or anything else)
>and say "there's no discussion of that"
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>>the media'a ability to create and then change the public narrative overnight
is pretty scary.

it doesn't happen without the public's consent.

the charges were brought up repaatedly by "the media" this year, they didn't stick until people wouldn't let the burress thing go.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

true.
but it goes the other way too.

or at least it has in other situations.

the lead up to the Iraq war.
the myths that ppl believe about the drug war.
the birth certificate thing about Obama.
the "grassroots" t-party movement...


etc.

yes, the public could and should be more discerning.
but humans don't work like that.

it's not true for a lot of ppl until it's on TV.



>>>the media'a ability to create and then change the public
>narrative overnight
>is pretty scary.
>
>it doesn't happen without the public's consent.
>
>the charges were brought up repaatedly by "the media" this
>year, they didn't stick until people wouldn't let the burress
>thing go.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

it was on tv, and still faded away. and that was during a period when TV was for more dominating of the news narrative.

>it's not true for a lot of ppl until it's on TV.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

anyway, it's not that big of a point for me.
i half believe most ppl live inside of a matrix created by mass media...

to the point where ideas don't even occur to them
unless they have been officially sanctioned by party line television programming.

but that's a pretty minor and potentially crazy point to make.



>it was on tv, and still faded away. and that was during a
>period when TV was for more dominating of the news narrative.
>
>>it's not true for a lot of ppl until it's on TV.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

in this particular case, what you said has already been proven to not be true to the extent you're implying, by the way the actual events played out

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

the media could have kept this story in front of ppl 10 if not 20 years ago.
but they didn't.

it wasnt a MAJOR news story until they decided it was.

yes, i remember reading about this before.
but it wasnt this big.

this story is now on Jerry Sandusky levels. (not that it shouldn't be).
and the fact is, it COULD have been on this level EARLIER than now.

the media is not reporting anything now that they couldn't have reported earlier.
well, they did report on it.

but it certaintly wasn't getting the TOP STORY/ BREAKING NEWS treatment
10 or 20 years ago.


for many ppl, bill cosby didn't become a rapist until the media
reported that he was a rapist as a top story.
they clearly COULD have done that earlier, and chose not to.

and we should be afraid that the media has that much sway over public opinion.
because clearly, they ain't trust worthy gatekeepers.
(either they were pushing lies of omission then, or they are pushing lies of commission now.)






>in this particular case, what you said has already been
>proven to not be true to the extent you're implying, by the
>way the actual events played out
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

it's not true.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>it's not true.


this is been like 2 weeks of non-stop media coverage with this as
the top story.

what has changed between now and 10 yrs ago?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

it wasn't this big.
and it's the exact same story.

it used to be printed once, in small print.
now it's printed multiple times, in big print.

ppl are aware of it now, but most ppl had never hear it before.
where am i missing the ball here?

how did the media not turn the tide of public opinion around overnight?

Bill Cosby has been confronted in the media not just about these rape accusations but also about being a condescending prick.

There was an entire feature in People magazine where they regarded him as a former college drop out that attacked recent college graduates for not being who he wanted them to be. This was published in 1985.

Philly.com ran a damning piece on him about the then most recent rape accusations combined with his "Pound Cake" tour of america in 2005.

It won several media awards and has been cited by many during this current period of accusations.

What you are seeing now is a combination of second by second media and social media which is a very different thing than 24/7 media in the halcyon days of cable news being the most up to the minute content available.

What you are also seeing is called a news peg. Stories can be reported on forever. Most editors choose not to report on them forever unless something fresh or enlightening emerges. So in journalism there is a concept called a news peg.

News pegs are something new, novel, fresh that allow for additional information or the refreshing of old information from a new context or angle.

Just because you don't understand communications or media doesn't mean you've uncovered a failing in communications or media.

The power it has had in the past is apparent. The power it has today is similar but different in that it more persistent.

Hannibal Burress' bit and the reaction to it was the news peg for the Bill Cosby story. Then more kept coming. That's why it's a bigger story now. That's why it's still in the news cycle.

News pegs defined from the online blog for a journalism course:

http://journ101.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/what-is-a-news-peg-again/

A news peg is what makes the story timely or newsworthy now. For example, you could be working for months on a story about, say, increased costs of healthcare in Massachusetts, but your news peg might be a just-announced hike in health insurance costs. It would be the element of the story that makes it timely and important now, the reason why you wouldn’t wait two weeks to run the story.

Another example: the endless array of movie stars who are guests on the late-night shows. Those folks don’t usually show up on those shows because they like to chat with Letterman or Colbert; they do it because — you guessed it — they have a movie or project coming out. That is the ‘news peg’ for having them on the program then. The reason to do it, and do it now.

And you ALWAYS want to have a news peg for your story. If there isn’t an obvious one, you will look for one, because it will make your story stronger. It gives your reader/viewer/listener more reason to pay attention and how it connects to the here and now, instead of looking like a random story that was done because the reporter was really interested in the topic.




>it wasn't this big.
>and it's the exact same story.
>
>it used to be printed once, in small print.
>now it's printed multiple times, in big print.
>
>ppl are aware of it now, but most ppl had never hear it
>before.
>where am i missing the ball here?
>
>how did the media not turn the tide of public opinion around
>overnight?
>
>

1) because it was new.

2) because more ppl saw the viral video than saw those original stories...
so more ppl knew about it, which means it was a bigger story because everyone was talking about it,

which means that NOW the story has legs in a way it couldn't have had before.


that makes sense.

It's not just powerful media conglomerates deciding, all of a sudden, that this should be a huge news story. If anything, TV and newspapers have lost power over the last decade. The traditional media is taking a cue from what's trending among social networks and the blogosphere, to whom they're losing ground.

I think that in 2014, we're seeing people, by way of Twitter, Facebook, blogs, etc., doing what traditional media failed to do 10 years ago. In many ways, twitter is faster, more democratic, and more viral than old-school outlets. We saw this in the wake of the Boston bombings, when CNN journalists were embarrassingly out-reported by social media users on the ground.

Black twitter, for one, has found a way to FORCE issues into the spotlight, bypassing the gatekeepers and changing the traditional channels of journalism. For millions of people, Bill Cosby became a rapist by way of hashtags before he became one in the New York Times.

Alot of the stories go like this:

I was out with BC, he gave me a pill or something to drink. I felt wasted. Next thing I woke up with my clothes undone and it was clear that sex occurred. I had no memory of what transpired.

Is that rape? Of course the understandable reflexive answer is yes. However, from a legal perspective there are a couple of considerations that could change everything.

For example, did you knowingly ingest drugs/alcohol? If the drugs/alcohol were giving to you without your knowledge, yes definitely rape. If you knowingly took drugs or alcohol and became wasted because of it than the fact you were under the influence is not dispositive of you being raped.

Then there is the "next thing I remember, I was undressed". That could mean two things. 1.) I was unconscious or 2.) I was drunk/high and I don't remember. Whether it was the former or the latter greatly changes things.

All that to say two very different stories can come from that fact pattern.

1.) A woman takes drugs with Bill Cosby, she gets really drunk and consents to sex while drunk, she wakes up not remembering what occurred the night before.

compare that to

2.) A woman was hanging out with Bill Cosby. He slipped drugs into her drink without her knowledge. She passes out and he had his way with her.

Both stories are reprehensible but if both of those stories were verified one would lead to a person being legally guilty of rape and the other wouldn't.

The problem with rape cases is that they are so fact intensive and you have to ask alot of uncomfortable questions to figure out what happened and no one really wants to do that to someone who may have been the victim of rape.



I think I am about done on this topic for now.

I understand that some folks can't rationally discuss this without getting upset and start ad hominem attacks. And I am aware as a man I am alot more dispassoinate about the subject than a woman or a person who has someone close to them who has been the victim of rape. But do Folks really have to believe you have to be a terrible person and hate women if you disagree with them on this topic? If we can't openly discuss I don't see how you raise awareness.



I get it. It's an emotional topic. I am just trying to make the unpopular point that the law should be rational, dispassionate and fair because rape is such a serious crime and shouldn't be watered down to include stuff like economic coercions and other manipulative but none physically threatening behavior.

And for the record I do believe that BC probably committed some of the sexual assaults he is being accused of (it's hard to have this many claims if you weren't doing something wrong).


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

but I think a few said they just drank some wine... but maybe they got woozy from the wine and then he suggested a pill would help them.

ionno...

as far as some people being attacked for asking questions, that ain't right but most of the people doing that ain't right to begin with..

it's like a running theme.

somebody will say XYZ as a fact pattern.
then you'll be like, "but what if Z was Q."

then i'll be like, "that's what trials are for.
maybe Z was Q but we don't have facts for that.
i only have 20 minutes for this question, so let's just restate the facts
as given and analyze that fact pattern."


arguing with you is like taking a calculus test while high on LSD.

we can't get anywhere if the numbers keep moving around and morphing
into dragons.

why won't you treat them as legitimate?

(a: because he's a fucking liar who claims that because he is related to women and has female friends he knows everything there is to know. also he's woefully ignorant about nearly everything he posts about)

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

So XYZ could sound like rape until you find out that Z was Q which would change everything. That's my whole point.

We are doing this without the benefit of a trial to know exactly what happened.

>it's like a running theme.
>
>somebody will say XYZ as a fact pattern.
>then you'll be like, "but what if Z was Q."
>
>then i'll be like, "that's what trials are for.
>maybe Z was Q but we don't have facts for that.
>i only have 20 minutes for this question, so let's just
>restate the facts
>as given and analyze that fact pattern."
>
>
>arguing with you is like taking a calculus test while high on
>LSD.
>
>we can't get anywhere if the numbers keep moving around and
>morphing
>into dragons.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

"that's why I keep changing my one question I need to have answered. not because you keep answering it, but because we need to have a trial when we have none of the witnesses or evidence or a courtroom"

tell me bill cosby's been falsely convicted when he's actually in jail

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

How do they fit given the blanks?

ABC remains ABC

But is the word Abercrombie, Tobacco, Backpack, or Cab?

His point, as I understand it doesn't change the letters that are given, it asks what the other letters are.

depending on the factors present

this is because both people have to have the capacity to consent.

So, even if she knowingly drugged and drank with Bill, if she became incapacitated to the extend that she could not consent and he had sex with her anyway...it is rape/sexual assault.

I mean, maybe he doesn't. he does generally express poorly-informed views of the world on a regular basis.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>depending on the factors present
>
>this is because both people have to have the capacity to
>consent.
>
>So, even if she knowingly drugged and drank with Bill, if she
>became incapacitated to the extend that she could not consent
>and he had sex with her anyway...it is rape/sexual assault.

Of course.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

this is truly mystifying.

it's almost like you don't know what sexual assault is.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

"Both stories are reprehensible but if both of those stories were verified one would lead to a person being legally guilty of rape and the other wouldn't."

^^^he says that the situations are distinct such that, presumably, the 1st scenario would not be considered rape

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

> If you knowingly took drugs or alcohol and
>became wasted because of it than the fact you were under the
>influence is not dispositive of you being raped.
>

Several of the stories talk about being offered or accepting a pill to relieve headaches or cramps. They're implying pain relievers while you're implying something else.

If they were expecting motrin and got GHB, that would be rape because they were intoxicated without their knowledge.

Even if they said "Hey, let's take some sedatives!", it would STILL be rape if they were too intoxicated to give consent and he had sex with them.

Of course if you ask for motrin and get GHB that's unknowingly. Of course if you are incapacitated you can't consent.

I thought one of the accounts mentioned "partying" Bill Cosby. I could be wrong.

>> If you knowingly took drugs or alcohol and
>>became wasted because of it than the fact you were under the
>>influence is not dispositive of you being raped.
>>
>
>Several of the stories talk about being offered or accepting a
>pill to relieve headaches or cramps. They're implying pain
>relievers while you're implying something else.
>
>If they were expecting motrin and got GHB, that would be rape
>because they were intoxicated without their knowledge.
>
>Even if they said "Hey, let's take some sedatives!", it would
>STILL be rape if they were too intoxicated to give consent and
>he had sex with them.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

they say they were drugged and don't remember anything, but yet at the same time they're giving detailed accounts of events that happened 30-40+ years ago.

I remember when you said there was just the one thing you couldn't get over, and that was it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I wasn't drugged, but somehow these women are giving blow-by-blow of events from 30-40+ years ago yet they claimed to be drugged at the same time

because you make the least considered legal arguments of all time.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I am a lawyer. Practicing for more than 10 years. Went to a top 5 law school. So yeah.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

Bout to hit that unfollow.

we have to "disclaimer" the fuck out of our thoughts/opinions. the natural aversion to being accused of having certain thoughts kicks in way too much regarding sensitive topics

(this has nothing to do with Cosby/the allegations, btw)


(yes, I'm aware of what I just did there. eat da poo poo)

>(this has nothing to do with Cosby/the allegations, btw)
>
>
>(yes, I'm aware of what I just did there. eat da poo poo)

But this is what I meant about the hysterical tone of narrrative.

You ask a few questions and the response is "YOU HATE WOMEN!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PROBABLY A RAPIST YOURSELF!!!!!! YOU ARE A RAPIST!!!! THERE'S A RAPIST IN HERE!!!!!

>You ask a few questions and the response is "YOU HATE
>WOMEN!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE
>PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PROBABLY A RAPIST
>YOURSELF!!!!!! YOU ARE A RAPIST!!!! THERE'S A RAPIST IN
>HERE!!!!!

i hope he's okay. he was kinda spazzing all over the place. even started making stuff up.

>i hope he's okay. he was kinda spazzing all over the place.
>even started making stuff up.

It seemed like (and I am not in the least making light of this) the subject is some kind of trigger for him.

If it is, I do sympathize. Not even kidding. I understand why this subject is so delicate for so many people. But we still gotta be able to talk about it.

i kinda regret being dismissive about his passionate "defence".
but i don't think i did anything other than to deflect his accusations and try to steer the conversation towards a more objective tone.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

you want to accuse rape victims of lying, because you have some weird personal beef with them. a personal beef, with someone you don't know, that's so bad they can say "I was raped" and your first reaction is "you're a liar"

think about that shit for a minute

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>you want to accuse rape victims of lying, because you have
>some weird personal beef with them. a personal beef, with
>someone you don't know, that's so bad they can say "I was
>raped" and your first reaction is "you're a liar"
>
>think about that shit for a minute

My first reaction is to actually LISTEN to them.

My second reaction is to THINK about what they are saying.

"You're lying" might (or might not) be my *third* or *fourth* reaction, depending on the results from the first and second. It's quite possible.


But don't let me get in the way of your scarecrow-baiting.

clearly, my list is of the things you do.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I seriously doubt that you're in a position to opine with any credibility on what my "first reaction" was.

But again: please continue to batter that scarecrow.

like bill cosby, you haven't had enough opprtunities over three threads and ten years to get your thoughts together.

I apologize.

I've just seen you consistently and repeatedly do the same thing, and from that I inferred certain things about your behavior, because it's what you've actually done.

don't know how that mistake was made.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>I've just seen you consistently and repeatedly do the same
>thing, and from that I inferred certain things about your
>behavior, because it's what you've actually done.

Actually, that's not what I've done. I've said that some of the allegations sound credible to me. Other do not. It's not a one size fits all situation.

So yeah. You are full of shit with that. (But this we already knew)

>don't know how that mistake was made.

I might have an idea of how it was made. Might have something to do with being full of something.


(I realize that I am feeding the troll by continuing to respond to you. I'll have to stop that.)

the good news -- you can change it.

you haven't yet. but if you want to you could.

right now?

you've done one thing.

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If you disapprove, that's unfortunate.

You always have the option to avoid me. It's what I do with people I find unpleasant.


And I am doing so... starting....




...now.

you repeatedly discount stuff you say and do.

I hope you come to a place where you can better reconcile the person you are with the person you prefer to believe you are.

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you're a fan of them, and want them to continue free and unpunished.

you've been very clear about this

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I'm hitting the club tonight and I like to make my positions clear to potential play-friends.

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You had people not willing to concede any points that didn't fit their narrative. I conceded multiple times the allegations against Cosby were compelling, but mofos were unwilling to concede that there's a historical precedent of false rape accusations against black men that would possibly give someone pause before jumping on the "he's guilty" bandwagon. It was like beating your head against a wall.

>we have to "disclaimer" the fuck out of our
>thoughts/opinions. the natural aversion to being accused of
>having certain thoughts kicks in way too much regarding
>sensitive topics
>
>(this has nothing to do with Cosby/the allegations, btw)
>
>
>(yes, I'm aware of what I just did there. eat da poo poo)

It is inconvenient, yes. But a few moments taken to really consider how your queries impact the other side of the conversation, especially when that side has been impacted by the effects of racism or sexism, or whatever ism is present, is a small price to pay for dialog IMO.

lfresh posted about Daniel Handler's racist remarks recently with the refrain "This is why we're tired."

People who have been in the trenches on this issue and others do get tired in hearing the same old lines that could easily be addressed if the person bothered to listen to what's being said (instead of waiting for the first opportunity to critique) and/or do some reading up on it online.

It's even worse when these lines come across without beginning to address what's been said by the other side. It becomes tiring, and all too easy to resort to pointing what has gone without disclaimer. If nothing else it highlights to how unfair and powerless it is to be on the wrong side of a situation, which doesn't begin to help someone appreciate what it feels like to be at the mercy of structural racism and/or sexism and/or bigotry that stems from sexuality.

Free and frank dialog shouldn't come at the expense of empathy and consideration, which includes thinking before opening your mouth. This is something that governs enough of our everyday actions to the point that I think it's not too much to ask that it covers more sensitive topics as well. We don't just blurt out to someone why they don't exercise more if they appear fat to us, or why they don't just cut back on their frivolous expenditure if they appear to be hard up for cash. Treading on the grounds of rape/sexual assault should come with even more sensitivity as far as I'm concerned, and if that means that we (read: men) collectively have to take a moment of introspection before voicing scepticism, I don't think that's such an injustice in the face of what we've allowed women to suffer since the dawn of our existence on this earth.

>>we have to "disclaimer" the fuck out of our
>>thoughts/opinions. the natural aversion to being accused of
>>having certain thoughts kicks in way too much regarding
>>sensitive topics
>>
>>(this has nothing to do with Cosby/the allegations, btw)
>>
>>
>>(yes, I'm aware of what I just did there. eat da poo poo)
>
>It is inconvenient, yes. But a few moments taken to really
>consider how your queries impact the other side of the
>conversation, especially when that side has been impacted by
>the effects of racism or sexism, or whatever ism is present,
>is a small price to pay for dialog IMO.
>
>lfresh posted about Daniel Handler's racist remarks recently
>with the refrain "This is why we're tired."
>
>People who have been in the trenches on this issue and others
>do get tired in hearing the same old lines that could easily
>be addressed if the person bothered to listen to what's being
>said (instead of waiting for the first opportunity to
>critique) and/or do some reading up on it online.
>
>It's even worse when these lines come across without beginning
>to address what's been said by the other side. It becomes
>tiring, and all too easy to resort to pointing what has gone
>without disclaimer. If nothing else it highlights to how
>unfair and powerless it is to be on the wrong side of a
>situation, which doesn't begin to help someone appreciate what
>it feels like to be at the mercy of structural racism and/or
>sexism and/or bigotry that stems from sexuality.
>
>Free and frank dialog shouldn't come at the expense of empathy
>and consideration, which includes thinking before opening your
>mouth. This is something that governs enough of our everyday
>actions to the point that I think it's not too much to ask
>that it covers more sensitive topics as well. We don't just
>blurt out to someone why they don't exercise more if they
>appear fat to us, or why they don't just cut back on their
>frivolous expenditure if they appear to be hard up for cash.
>Treading on the grounds of rape/sexual assault should come
>with even more sensitivity as far as I'm concerned, and if
>that means that we (read: men) collectively have to take a
>moment of introspection before voicing scepticism, I don't
>think that's such an injustice in the face of what we've
>allowed women to suffer since the dawn of our existence on
>this earth.
>

And they continue to be oblivious to how they sound
By the third post they are kiiiind of taking more care
But only after they admitted not liking being bludgeoned by rjcc
And again and again they remind me of racists being willfully ignorant still thinking hey they want to wait until the ferguson trial
Um there likely won't be one
Oh well then *shrug* "healthy skepticism"
That's not what you're doing
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>
>And they continue to be oblivious to how they sound
>By the third post they are kiiiind of taking more care
>But only after they admitted not liking being bludgeoned by
>rjcc
>And again and again they remind me of racists being willfully
>ignorant still thinking hey they want to wait until the
>ferguson trial
>Um there likely won't be one
>Oh well then *shrug* "healthy skepticism"
>That's not what you're doing

That's how it feels from the outside looking in.

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while Camille was at home...

smh...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lou-ferrignos-wife-accuses-bill-750961

Lou Ferrigno's Wife Accuses Bill Cosby of Sexual Assault

She said Cosby's wife, Camille, was home at the time of the attack

Carla Ferrigno, wife and manager of The Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, is accusing Bill Cosby of attempting to force himself on her, joining the growing list of the comedian's accusers. She made the accusations in a radio interview on Thursday.

Ferrigno was a Playboy bunny in 1966. The next year, after a breakup she was approached by a man who asked if she wanted to go to dinner and then to Cosby's house, she said on the "John and Ken" show on Los Angeles' KFI radio station.

"I am so upset. I'm literally shaking in my body from all of this," Ferrigno said as she began her account on the show.

After the foursome watched a movie together, they decamped for Cosby's home. Cosby's wife, Camille, retired early, Ferrigno's date disappeared and she was left alone playing pool with Cosby.

Read more Bill Cosby Tour Continues on Amid Rape Allegations

Then, "he grabbed me, pulled me to him and kisses me on the mouth like really, really rough," Ferrigno said. "I was a tough girl. I just took my hands and pushed him away and said, 'What are you doing?' and I said 'Hey, well, I've never been kissed by a black man before.'"

When she told him that it was "no different," Ferrigno said an angered Cosby responded: "Oh yeah? You wouldn't have said that if it weren't different." And he came at me again and I just pushed and jumped and ran and I got out of his way and ran out of the hall and this guy was coming out of one of the rooms and I said I want to go home. … I never said anything to anybody in all these years."

Read more Bill Cosby Refuses to Address Rape Allegations in Uncomfortable AP Interview

Ferrigno claims she started hearing other stories about Cosby five years ago, and she told a girlfriend, who didn't believe her.

"I was disturbed. My husband said forget about it. I don't need the publicity, I've been Lou's manager for 35 years," Ferrigno continued. “I said to Lou, ‘I really need to tell someone because I feel that bringing all of this out in the public, I'm one more nail in the coffin who will keep him from doing this again."

Ferrigno claims Cosby "loved young blonde pretty girls. I guess this guy would go out and get them for him." She also says she didn't drink alcohol" at the time, and speculated that her sobriety probably saved her. Cosby has been accused of raping women he drugged before the attack. "I'm sad for those other women, so much worse than me."

Ferrigno also claims that Cosby's wife knows about his behavior. "All my life I thought that. I thought it was disgusting that she stayed with him because she knew," Ferrigno said.

Cosby has denied allegations of assault via statements from his reps and attorneys. The controversy has led to NBC scrapping a planned series with the comedian and Netflix postponing a comedy special. TV Land has also stopped airing reruns of The Cosby Show.

Cosby's lawyer issued a statement denying Ferrigno's claims.

"This continuation of a pattern of attacks on Mr. Cosby has entered the realm of the ridiculous, with a purported 'forceful kiss' at a party in 1967, nearly 50 years ago, being treated as a current 'news story' and grossly mischaracterized as 'sexual assault.' This is utter nonsense," said Cosby lawyer Marty Singer.

and yuh at this:

"Ferrigno also claims that Cosby's wife knows about his behavior. "All my life I thought that. I thought it was disgusting that she stayed with him because she knew," Ferrigno said."

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and how many other celebrities were wilding like this.
he wouldn't have gotten away with such egregious actions without help from a number of people.
it makes me think about how he likely wasn't the only famous person doing this (assuming it is true that he did it at all).

We *here*

i'm sure that not only was it condoned by the times, but he and his cronies probably thought nothing of it.

i'm sure a great many of them did similar things.

>and how many other celebrities were wilding like this.

Probably more than we'd be comfortable with

>he wouldn't have gotten away with such egregious actions
>without help from a number of people.

True enough. Including the assistance offered by naïve victims.

>it makes me think about how he likely wasn't the only famous
>person doing this (assuming it is true that he did it at
>all).


Okay, but the times don't condone it if they needed to keep it secret. All that really points to is conspiracy similar to what was going on in the Catholic and other church organisations.

Might be a better description

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>Might be a better description
>

It's interesting that it's apparently far fetched for some that Cosby and others like him had a large support network in the entertainment industry that helped them commit such acts. However, it's completely plausible that these varied women united by virtually nothing except Cosby all got their stories pretty straight with one another and only one person has got a pay cheque from the whole deal.

if that scene was a thing, bill cosby couldn't have been the only person in on it.
have you ever hear seen cocksucker's blues-- the Rolling Stones documentary?
have you heard stories about John Lennon?

i agree, it could just mean it's part of a massive coverup like the Catholic Church.

but if there was a subset of drug culture where it was acceptable to have your
drink spiked from time to time--
maybe it's not fair to talk about cosby's part in that scene
without mentioning the fact that other allegged victims put themselves in that scene voluntarily.

but even if this scene did exist, there is still the question of whether
the women that were alleged victims actually knew what they were signing up for when parting with Bill.

If John Lennon has a lost weekend with Phil Spector and Keith Richards,
and a bunch of other folks that are about that life and all that goes along with it,
that might not be the same as Bill inviting a "civilian" out to
and then blind siding them with some shot they never signed up for "explicitly or implicitly."



the angle is interesting.
i hadn't thought about it before.

i still don't know.




>and how many other celebrities were wilding like this.
>he wouldn't have gotten away with such egregious actions
>without help from a number of people.
>it makes me think about how he likely wasn't the only famous
>person doing this (assuming it is true that he did it at
>all).

It was like in the 1960s when someone could dose you with LSD without you knowing.

I think that what we are really putting on trial here is not just one man; it's a past culture... The libertine sexual and drug culture of the swinging 70s. Cos is just the face of it.

I mean... (I AM NOT DENIGRATING THESE WOMEN) so many of these stories feature a scene where Cos gives them a pill and they just swallow it. None of them can tell you what it was, none of them indicate being concerned and asking Cos what it was.

Let me ask you: has anybody given you pills and told you to eat them and you just did it without asking what the fuck it was?

People did act like that in the 70s, though. At least people who were "hip."People who were about that life.

And that's the thing I really feel is being left out of these stories. That context. I don't want it to turn into a thing where we reveal that these women were drug-using "party girls" and as such they deserved whatever they got, but man... back in the day, when you went to someone's private room and took drugs with them, it signified a *kind* of consent (I AM NOT SAYING IT IS CONSENT TO BEING RAPED)

A lot of these stories sound to me like casting couch misadventures, yes.

but i understand what you are saying
and i think it's a valid line of reasoning to consider.

i still think he's a rapist,
and though i am willing to say it might not be quite as bad as it looks,
bill really needs more ppl.

like a lot more ppl.

he needs so many more ppl right now it's crazy.
if i was bill, i would be rounding up ppl like it's no tomorrow.

because right now...


i mean damn.

these stories are wild,
and i'd be interested to read more about this era.

it's always been a period that fascinated me
just because everything today is so whitewashed.

there are scenes nowadays that people clutch their pearls at
that seem practically boring when compared with the stuff
that was going on back then.


one thing i have learned for sure in talking to this guy
is that our elders had much better drugs than we do.

much better.

but I'm probably done talking about this here.

>but I'm probably done talking about this here.


you don't even have to tell me your screenname, nor will i
make a post there.

but you always know a bunch about old stuff,
and i would like to lurk in a few forums with
other ppl that know about old music/ old drug scenes/ older stuff in general.

The internet is a lynch mob right now. Anybody with a slightly divergent perspective is better off DM-ing it.

>but you always know a bunch about old stuff,
>and i would like to lurk in a few forums with
>other ppl that know about old music/ old drug scenes/ older
>stuff in general.

I kinda glossed over this part.

I might hit you up later with some links.

i'm trying to be able to hang with you and lonesome_D and inclvs in the lesson.

any time we get back before 1970,
i'm essentially out of the discussion.


>>but you always know a bunch about old stuff,
>>and i would like to lurk in a few forums with
>>other ppl that know about old music/ old drug scenes/ older
>>stuff in general.
>
>I kinda glossed over this part.
>
>I might hit you up later with some links.

its helpful to see someone flesh out and crystallize it the way you have thus far. I can't fathom the mindset ppl had to have in some of those scenes.

And a sidenote regarding your other stuff about these convos being like "lynch mobs" there's a huge difference between condoning a fucked up thing and simply digging to better understand it within the context it sprung out of.

A lot of people aren't comfortable unless everything can be neatly divided up between devils and angels, and that includes you being a devil if you even ponder the grey.

but over here recently a shitload of BBC tv personalities who were previously national treasures, and whose heyday was in the 1970s, are being prosecuted for numerous sexual assaults, including with underage girls, during that time. so yeah, i'd say there's something wrong with the culture of broadcasting if this kind of thing is pretty much 'allowed' to happen.

when you have enough talent and power, you can get away with anything. anything.

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http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/11/bill-cosby-jokes-about-being-an-evil-man-gets-standing-ovation-in-first-performance

Bill Cosby Jokes About Being an “Evil Man,” Gets Standing Ovation in First Performance Since Assault Allegations
BY DOUG SIBOR
A few sexual assault allegations aren’t going to keep 77-year-old Bill Cosby from performing, and last night he took the stage in the Bahamas for the first time since Hannibal Buress and multiple accusers renewed conversations over the comedian’s troubled history of alleged sexual abuse.

The one person who doesn’t seem all that concerned about it is Cosby, who during his set joked about being called “an evil man” and fake cried as he mockingly bemoaned that parents would no longer let their children near him. It probably wasn’t the best look for someone so under the microscope to be making light of his situation, but Cosby pretty clearly doesn’t seem to be bothered by it.

He left the stage to a standing ovation, with one audience member saying that “'I don’t care what these girls are saying about Bill Cosby. I like him, he’s a good guy,” with another adding “'I love Bill Cosby. He has been my hero since I was a kid. I ain’t going to stop supporting him now.”

The great irony of all this is that the performance was part of a benefit for a women’s rights charity organization in the Bahamas. Cosby apparently skipped out on the after party, which was probably a good idea. You can only say “no comment” so many ways.

Meanwhile, it doesn't look like the show will go on for all Cosby performances. His set at Treasure Island in Las Vegas has been called off:

Yeah, probably not a good idea to do that shit.

Also, a bit concerned Hannibal is being credited/blamed for this becoming an issue again. Hope HIS career doesn't suffer, he's like the funniest dude out right now.

http://instagram.com/p/vrSZp7wASy/

Wow

I mean the ones I come up with. And I want to believe in Bill's innocence.

I could defend him without compromising my principles. I signed up to defend the guilty and the innocent. I love it.

How soon until we hear the same from an actress that played one of Denise or Vanessa's random friends on the Cosby Show? Did we ever hear why Marisa Tomei left A Different World after a year?



http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/11/20/local-woman-latest-to-come-forward-accusing-bill-cosby-of-being-sexual-predator/

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — A local woman is the latest of more than a dozen women to accuse comedian Bill Cosby of being a sexual predator.

Renita Chaney Hill, 47, tells KDKA reporter Ralph Iannotti she was a 15-year-old model and aspiring actress when she first met Cosby back in the 1980s.

He was in Pittsburgh looking for performers to appear in his educational television segments “Picture Pages,” which filmed in the city. Hill’s modeling agency recommended her and she got the job.

She says she was star struck.

“Promises of bright lights and fame. That’s where I thought I was headed, that’s what everyone who knew me thought I was headed,” Hill told Iannotti.

Her appearance in Cosby’s videos was the start of a four-year, on-again, off-again relationship with the actor.

“He would fly me to a number of cities,” including New York and Atlanta she remembers. “He would be busy during the day, then I’d come to his hotel room at night,” she said.

Hill says when she was alone with Cosby the scenario was always the same. Cosby would insist she have a drink even though she was underage. She says she now believes she was drugged.

“One time, I remember just before I passed out, I remember him kissing and touching me and I remember the taste of his cigar on his breath, and I didn’t like it,” Hill said. “I remember another time when I woke up in my bed the next day and he was leaving, he mentioned you should probably lose a little weight. I thought that odd, how would he know that?”

Hill says after a while she began to put two and two together.

“I always thought it was odd that after I had this drink I would end up in my bed the next morning and I wouldn’t remember anything,” Hill said.

She says she doesn’t know if she was raped because she was unconscious.

“It just felt weird to me, and I remember being in high school saying to him, ‘I’ll come see you, but I don’t want to drink because it makes me feel funny,’” Hill said. “And he would tell me that if I didn’t drink, I couldn’t come see him.”

When she was 19, Hill says she decided to have no further contact with Cosby, even though she says he was paying her college tuition and her family had accepted what appeared to them to be a father-like mentoring relationship. She says she also gave up her dream of becoming an actress.

“It was just a horrifying feeling thinking that as a part of your dream you felt like this was something you had to endure,” Hill said. “And that’s why I couldn’t do it anymore, and I just walked away.”

Hill says her family, including her husband and three daughters, were aware of her experience. She never told her story publicly, but after hearing Cosby’s attorney criticize the other women who have recently accused Cosby of sexual assault or misconduct, she decided to come forward.

She makes no apologies for waiting more than three decades to tell her story.

“No one wants to be associated with something like this,” said Hill. “But the bottom line for me is that no one has the right to violate someone else, no matter who they are. I don’t care how big they are or how the community sees them, it’s not right.”

When asked what she would say to Cosby if given the chance.

“You know, I thought about that over the years. Why would you do that to a young girl? Being Bill Cosby, you could have had anyone. You didn’t have to do that to a young girl,” Hill said.

"because of some reason I just made up after reading this"


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"You still need proof!! MY BROTHER spent 5 years in jail because his ex said he raped her. Her younger sister (age 16) also said he raped her making him a pedophile under the law. THE ONLY reason that he is free today is because a friend of the lying whores overheard them laughing about how they locked that nigga up. That friend worked in a law office and was a sworn officer. So the officer testified that the whores were lying and my brother went free. There are SOO many people ready to drink to koolaid and take down someone especially a black man based on circumstantial evidence. Its just sad..."

"No they didn't serve ANY time. The 16 year old lying whore was underage at the time, and the other lying whore wasn't charged. The lawyer said nobody would convict a woman that said she was raped, being labeled a rape victim is almost like being untouchable, that's why the facts should always be key. The worse part is that my brother has to be registered as a SEX OFFENDER STILL. He used to mentor at risk boys that don't have a father and he was very active in our church but he hasn't been able to do any of that since hes been out."

"he got out in October, He has to live in a apartment with real rapist and killers, he cant even see my niece his own DAUGHTER without special permission, that whore ruined his life, Im in tears right now, he's really a good guy and he's going through all of this..."

"God forbid if they were actually raped but you can't take a persons word for it without PROOF.
Look at Merlin Santana, he played Rudy's boyfriend on the Cosby Show, and Played Romeo Santana on the Steve Harvey Show. He was MURDERED because a girl he was dating got upset at him and she said he RAPE her. Her family caught him and KILLED HIM IN COLD BLOOD. She latter admitted that she lied. We need facts not emotion."

Found this just reading through youtube comments on the Dickinson video.
There are alotta gems in what Ms. Ford said... especially the fact that "being a rape
victim is like being untouchable". Which is an interesting point considering how
people talk about Cosby being untouchable. So Cosby settled these issues out of
court, just like MJ did... then more alleged victims show up. People don't think "victims"
could show up for some out-of-court money? They admitted as much concerning Michael.
Of course, it's tragic if he did this... but really it's just as tragic if he DIDN'T do it
and is having to deal with all of this. Everyone's talking about one side of things.
The women have possibly been damaged, which is a possible tragedy...
but what if the man is innocent and done had to shell out all this money and be
fucked with in his twilight years? Some of yall mad cuz he said shit about young
Black men. Hell many of ya grandparents said the same shit. Some of yall don't
care about him cuz he's rich. Well you're just as ridiculous as anyone who believes
it just because of the sheer number accusations.
If there is some reason to believe he did it, I'll willingly concede. Maybe I've missed
something here. I'll admit, I ain't read every comment in all of these posts. Just
don't have the time, but many accusers means nothing when you think about how
the mafia did Sam Cook when he wouldn't give 'em their cut. A lot's going on behind
the scenes in Hollywood that we do NOT see.
I'll ask again tho. WHY do yall believe these women?
Like I said, maybe I missed something.

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about the way cultural attitudes have changed.... how back in the day, in movies like Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds etc, having sex with an unconscious woman was played for laughs or treated as business as usual, but when we watch those movies today it's like WTF were we thinking.

Not suggesting that Bill's (and Seth Rogen's) cosign makes my views any more "right" or any less abhorrent, but I'll admit that I'm slightly comforted to know that other people are thinking about these things.

is a product of his era when such behavior wasn't considered criminal. That is obvious.

Our point of contention with you is that you seem to be using that fact as a reason that we should cut Cosby some slack.

All I said is that "13 women accused famous guy of rape" != "famous guy raped 13 women"

If not taking an accusation to mean an automatic presumption of guilt qualifies as "cutting slack".... then yeah, I guess that's what I'm doing.

But if you ask me, I would not call it that.

"As I've said, it's more than just about Cos. It's a cultural, systematic thing... But of course, we can't indict a bygone culture. We need a human face to pin it on.

Even if Cos did these things, it's not like he was just this unique rapist going around acting like this. I bet ya if Cos goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the 60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and is a rough town, especially for pretty young women."

I don't know how you got "cut him some slack" from that.

Unless your idea of "cutting slack" is anything less than believing that Cos "acted alone" (so to speak), or acknowledging that these acts of which he is accused are really symptomatic of a culture that was very much at large in the 1960 and 70s.


Again, if that is your idea of "cutting slack," then I guess that's what I did and am doing.

But if you ask me, I would tell you it's being a realist.

why did you insert that cultural perspective into the conversation? What were you going for there?

as it relates to Cosby, but not as it relates to his alleged victims?

Were they not also of that era and culture?

Did they not know that that kind of behavior was rampant/ "a way of life" for men? Did they not know that that behavior was the kind of behavior for which society looked the other way about? Could they perhaps believe that because 'hollywood is a tough place' that they should not complain? Because it is/was a 'man's world', might they have felt defeated before they even tried to speak out? Because Cosby, much like other men in that era, was powerful, might they have been fearful of how that power could be used to ruin their livelihoods if they were not complicit in their abuse? Is it possible that because they were also a part of that era they were socialized to believe that what was happening to them wasn't such a big deal even though the trauma of the experience told them that it was? Considering that he was 1) a man 2) a rich man and 3) a powerful man, might they have felt small in comparison to Cosby (David vs Goliath)? Could any of this explain why many of them didn't speak out earlier or at all? Could it also explain why many of them went back after being victimized?

And why didn't you think of any of this? If you are being objective and just providing insight into how culture of that era may have influenced the participants, why have you only considered how it may have influenced Cosby?

I will answer tomorrow, insha allah.

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Its kinda similar to the frog in the water that gradually warms up, so he never jumps out by the time its boiling. He doesn't perceive the heat as deadly because it feels normal. That analogy alsonplays with the idea of gradual increase of bad tolerance, but for the sake of my analogy, I just mean the perception of normal at any particular phase.

Im of the belief that moral culpability of an evil act is tied very tightly to full knowledge of the evil of said act.

Obviously dude had to know it was bad on some level, but if the world around you has you thinking a level 9 horror is just a level 3 mischief, yeah I definitely think some degree of moral slack should be cut.

Most people we know and love in life engage in at least some acts that they might think are a bit wack, but might be looked at by future enlightened people as complete scumbag shit.

How many of us choose to finance sweatshop slavery in the quest for the best bargain shopping?

How many of our elders smoked cigarettes inside enclosed spaces with children breathing that air?

How many of our elders hit us with sticks or beat us with hands, not understanding the trauma and complexes it could cause?

Me?

I remember being 4 years old, getting mad at my pregnant mom and kicking her in the stomach. I knew it was bad to kick your mom but I didn't understand the DEGREE of harm I could be causing. My sister turned out fine thank God. But what if she didn't? What if she died in the womb? An old toddler who knows not to hit their mom is going to be punished appropriately, but not cast off as a cold blooded murderer.


If you you intend to annoy someone by pushing them into a pool but actually you're giving someone with a severe phobia a deadly heart attack, you're not the same as someone who knowingly shoves a steak knife into a person's chest.

I'm not equating what BC is accused of doing with anything as mild as shopping at Walmart or horsing around by the pool, I'm just trying to illustrate the relationship between moral awareness and slack-cutting.

own words in his routine aren't?

seems like the goalposts are moving a bit...

First off I don't know if Mr. Cosby is innocent or guilty of any of these accusations. I hope he's innocent. But let's look at a few things. The first thing is the timing. Mr. Cosby was one of the world's only black superstars back then. His star was rising quickly. Now do you know what was happening to black people during those times? Not only was Mr. Cosby a superstar but he was very active in the civil rights movement.

Black men and boys were being lynched for looking at white women. There was a law called reckless eyeballing that was responsible for hangings, picnics aka pick a nigger to burn alive, stabbings and other acts of brutality against us. To be accused of raping a white woman was an automatic death sentence. No black man was safe when it came to those accusations with or without proof. Families, friends, neighbors and even entire towns have suffered because of the words of these 'decent' white women. We lost our lives and families. Men like Cosby would march in the streets risking their lives and the lives of their families. They also risked their reputations and means of income. Dr. Cosby knew what would happen to a black man even if a rumor was whispered against him about white women. He like many of our leaders were too smart for that trap.

Cosby made the ultimate mistake of raising enough money to buy the network that his show previously rescued. NBC was in financial straits. Cosby led a group of black entrepreneurs that raised the highest bid to buy NBC. This bid was turned down for a lot of silly 'reasons'. Once Cosby and his team attempted to question being rejected the old allegations started to resurface. Others joined in the allegations. This onslaught derailed what would have been a great historic accomplishment and would have given blacks equal power and access in main stream media.

Fast forward to today. Mr. Cosby has teamed up with the world's richest and most powerful black men and women to create the ultimate equalizer in the entertainment industry. He and many leaders were creating a black owned worldwide film and media distribution company that would rival the top six studios in the world. This would mean more black movies. It would mean challenges to negative images of blacks. It would mean more black executives. Real money making positions and opportunities where we could legitimately compete in a fair and open market. This company was going to change the game.

But of course coincidentally or not, a black clown destroyed the life of another black man. My take - the charges are old. Black men have never in history even got away with looking at white women. You think I believe this crap about a black man getting away with all these allegations by white women. Doing tea at his hotel late night in their pajamas? Some who continued to see him after their alleged first encounter ?

You can believe what ever you want but the Scottsboro boys, Emitt Till, the Central Park 5 and all the countless list of unknown black men and women keeps me leary. The books are closed. These charges are over and done. Why bring it up now. These charges have yet again raped us of great historic gains. - Iamnatturner Kenya Cagle

It pains me greatly that BLACK people don't understand the politics of the situation.
We can never know what action to truly take if we don't even understand the tactics
of our own exploitation. White folks stay playing us in films that should feature dark
people. They'll feed you RHOA all day but wouldn't give you a Les Brown show.
This is because WE don't control this stuff and what's put out.
Yall tell me this is Black Studies 101, then why don't yall see what's going on?
I know why. Because they don't teach you this shit in no school.
This is the same thing that happened with Michael Jackson. He was a Black man who
OPENLY spoke about the mistreatment of Black entertainers and our exclusion from
mainstream history, and he OWNED TOO MUCH. When you own shit, you can change
all of that. This is what William Henry Cosby wanted to do!
You have so many BLACK people out here RIGHT NOW talking about how Black people
only sing about sex or aren't open-minded or whatever else. This shit is largely dictated
by how we're represented in media. Some take their ideas from that, and alotta our
children just be what they think they're supposed to be, not seeing examples of themselves
multifaceted. This is largely a media issue. If the images change, the masses change.
PLEASE OPEN YOUR GODDAMNED EYES, BLACK PEOPLE!

Why the hell do yall think Cosby cared so much about OUR image that he went
on the tirade telling us to pull up our pants and shit? He wasn't just being a cynical
old man. He was tired! Tired from being denied over and over in trying to bring
us positive images of ourselves. Everything Bill ever gave us was positive down
to Fat Albert. He wanted the rest of us to be able to do the same, but here we are
mad at him and defending ignorance, going on about how no one was around, so
the media raised us. Well he was doing everything he could to change that media
so that it would impact you positively. Sorry muthafuckas mad at HIM tho instead
of being mad at the folks who make sure all your messages about yourself are negative.
smh.

If this is true, the story about NBC and starting a production company that could rival the big 6 then yeah, I definitely could see this bullshit happening.

a studio that could compete with the big six.

Not saying that Bill Cosby couldn't try to compete as well...but I don't see it. I also can't find any evidence of this other than a thinkpiece written by some dude on Facebook.

>It pains me greatly that BLACK people don't understand the
>politics of the situation.
>We can never know what action to truly take if we don't even
>understand the tactics
>of our own exploitation. White folks stay playing us in films
>that should feature dark
>people. They'll feed you RHOA all day but wouldn't give you a
>Les Brown show.
>This is because WE don't control this stuff and what's put
>out.
>Yall tell me this is Black Studies 101, then why don't yall
>see what's going on?
>I know why. Because they don't teach you this shit in no
>school.
>This is the same thing that happened with Michael Jackson. He
>was a Black man who
>OPENLY spoke about the mistreatment of Black entertainers and
>our exclusion from
>mainstream history, and he OWNED TOO MUCH. When you own shit,
>you can change
>all of that. This is what William Henry Cosby wanted to do!
>You have so many BLACK people out here RIGHT NOW talking about
>how Black people
>only sing about sex or aren't open-minded or whatever else.
>This shit is largely dictated
>by how we're represented in media. Some take their ideas from
>that, and alotta our
>children just be what they think they're supposed to be, not
>seeing examples of themselves
>multifaceted. This is largely a media issue. If the images
>change, the masses change.
>PLEASE OPEN YOUR GODDAMNED EYES, BLACK PEOPLE!
>
>Why the hell do yall think Cosby cared so much about OUR image
>that he went
>on the tirade telling us to pull up our pants and shit? He
>wasn't just being a cynical
>old man. He was tired! Tired from being denied over and over
>in trying to bring
>us positive images of ourselves. Everything Bill ever gave us
>was positive down
>to Fat Albert. He wanted the rest of us to be able to do the
>same, but here we are
>mad at him and defending ignorance, going on about how no one
>was around, so
>the media raised us. Well he was doing everything he could to
>change that media
>so that it would impact you positively. Sorry muthafuckas mad
>at HIM tho instead
>of being mad at the folks who make sure all your messages
>about yourself are negative.
>smh.
>
>

I can't......

to read this and believe it.


on any level.


that cosby is good for black people being the piece of shit he is, actually.

that saving Cosby's deal with NBC helps anyone other than NBC

and that ignoring a serial rapist is just a necessary evil for letting a great black man (again, this is just a lie) live

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

to not see it... or to believe Cosby wasn't the crusade for positivity on behalf of Black folks.

or to read that and think it was about "saving his deal with NBC", smh... that ain't
what was said.

Ignoring the reality of anti-Blackness is just a necessary evil for letting it live.

someone would write, read, believe and share this shit.


for a nigga that hates them.

this is how fucked up people are.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

.

group-think, and catchphrases.

Some of yall really need to fall swiftly on your weak, dying osteoporosis-having backs with the snark.

you're on that 'new black' that believes in a post-racial society...
on that lack-of-information and concern that keeps you subordinate all while thinking
there's no reason not to be.

Get off that shit, lil bruh.

There was an accusation in 2000.

Here's the most comprehensive list of when accusations occurred i've found:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html

If this was a plan to take him down and discourage positive media representations for the black community, when was the plan set in motion?

Was this set into motion back in the 60s-80s? Or is the plan being set into motion now, via Hannibal? Was Hannibal in on the plan? If it's being set into motion now, are you thinking the plan is simply to uncover things he actually did do? Or was the plan to frame him for stuff he did not actually do?

Help this make sense for me.

Is he seriously try to discredit one of the women because she was a bad lawyer?

Maybe she did something that calls her integrity into question, but what does a rape accusation have to do with failing to file quarterly reports?


11. Louisa Moritz. Moritz, a 68-year-old lawyer and onetime actress who appeared in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, told TMZ in a story published Nov. 20 that in 1971, Cosby forced her to perform oral sex on him in the greenroom of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson. Singer responded by saying allegations against Cosby have "reached a point of absurdity" and alleging that Moritz has been the subject of professional sanctions: "Mortiz is a lawyer who was disciplined by the California State Bar and ordered not to practice. We pulled the documents -- she can't practice because she didn't report certain quarterly reports."

>There was an accusation in 2000.

And?


>Here's the most comprehensive list of when accusations
>occurred i've found:
>http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/11/21/bill_cosby_accusers_list_sexual_assault_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html


And you telling me that doesn't sound like BS? I really do thank for posting that, though.
I've been looking for it, and all anyone would do is insist that he's a rapist instead
of sticking to whatever facts they were basing that on.


>If this was a plan to take him down and discourage positive
>media representations for the black community, when was the
>plan set in motion?


From the article you posted, it looks like 2005. Andrea Constand sounds like the original pawn.
"Oh I got hella witnesses! but nobody wants to come forth." Slowly they began to
find more women who would accuse him for a piece of change.... but don't forget, ladies,
the story is that he drugged you and asked you to wet your hair. Stick to the script!


>are you thinking the plan is simply to uncover things he actually did do? Or
>was the plan to frame him for stuff he did not actually do?


The latter.


>Help this make sense for me.


No prob. One of the most mind-blowing things here, for me, is that I'm being asked
to believe that a white women IN THE SIXTIES (and 70s too for that matter) was
afraid to report being raped by a BLACK man. *blank stare into camera*
"Oh he was so powerful!" So they were just COMPLETELY unaware of the racial
politics of America? Hell all they had to do was SAY he did, and he was gone.
I swear if that really happened, we wouldn't even know who Bill Cosby is.
I understand that it's real that women most often don't report rape for many reasons,
and I think that's why people are sympathizing with this "I didn't wanna say anything"
narrative, but the 60s and 70s? Black man rapes white woman? You gonna have to do more
to sell me on that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU6aIDFAH2o

but all the rest are illuminati-selected plants.

this makes more sense than thinking "oh, he's a rapist, he raped a lot of women"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

shit for zero reason?

Do me a favor.
Walk to your bathroom mirror, and say your favorite phrase, "You're a moron".

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking ato

*shrugs*

of a person who is clearly disturbed mentally.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Especially with the way you act consistently. You've definitely experienced some
trauma in your life... which is ok, but don't be in here projecting, lil bruh.

NBC? COINTELPRO? The Jews in Hollywood?

**********
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White women? In the 60s and 70s afraid to report a Black man raping them?
Shit don't add up.
Everybody was surprised OJ got off IN THE 90s. But a white women was scared of a
joke-telling nigger in the 60s? Yall gotta be kidding me.

Bill Cosby of rape so he couldn't buy a tv studio.

http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

"Arm Leg Leg Arm How you doin?" (c)T510

Who owns these stations? I would ask you why a Black person has never been allowed
to own them or any major film companies or why the board of film approval only allows
white savior films to come out or ones that portray ancient Africans as white folks...
but that VERY obvious answer would elude you.
MJ was about to own half of Sony, publicly speaking about Black entertainers being
overlooked in favor of Elvis and the Rolling Stones. *poof* He disappears.
Can't believe yall really don't see how real what I'm saying is.

Regardless of the quality of work coming out of it (in this discussion) he is a black man that owns his own movie studio. Land and all.

All six major Hollywood studios (for the record, that's Disney, Warner Bros, Sony/Columbia, Universal, Paramount, 20th Century Fox) are wholly owned subsidiaries of even larger conglomerates. Every one of them is a publically traded company (meaning lots of people own them, not just "the white folks" - and remember that Sony is a corporation of Japanese origin).

Why studios make "white savior movies" and cast white folks as Egyptians has less to do with some sort of calculated conspiracy to attack black people as it does tunnel-visioned film production and marketing (i.e. chasing the largest dollars, which are from Americans, Europeans, and Asians who want to see - or at least buy - movies generally starring white stars vs. ones starring black people - never mind Latinos). It's a long story involving field research, the results of that research, studio profits/margins, frank discussions of the earning powers of various types of films, and other things that will probably end up lost in most internet back and forths.

So tl;dr - at the end of the day, it is all and only about money.

far people will go to prevent Black power is, indeed, impressive (or just plain sad).
It's like yall don't know ANY history OR present.

"we didn't get raped, per se. but they were swingers
and we did stuff we normally wouldn't.

i know it's weird, but it was kinda accepted in the drug scene back then
that sometimes your drinks got spiked.

i guess i'm not saying it's right, but i don't know if
it's as bad as it looks."


^ an older guy that partied a lot back in the day.




i don't know if he's right.
but i was talking about this post to an older friend of mine just now.
i dunno how common his experience is.
and even if it WAS an accepted part of a certain sub-sub culture,
i atill don't know what to make of that.



i mean one level it feels like "no, it's totally cool. rape was acceptable back then."

but i guess it could also be read as "when you're in that scene,
there were certain things you implicitly consented to,
and it's not quite fair to use today's standards to judge what was done then."

i don't know how i feel about this,
but it was a perspective i couldn't have thought of
because i've never been having sex or doing drugs in a scene
where that is acceptable behavior.

we had actuall PSAs talking about how that is NOT acceptable behavior.

about exactly. The Hollywood scene? are people actually making the the long jump leap in logic that by virtue of these women being actresses or in hollywood they were implicitly consenting to the rampant drug use/whatever scene? seems pretty specious to me and i don't buy it

i don't buy that all hardcore drugs/ swinger friendly ppl were on that shit.
but i can see there being a subset of ppl where getting your drinks spiked sometimes was par for the course.

as i said, i have never done drugs or had sex in an era where spiking a drink was anything other than reprehensible. we got PSA's about it.

but hey, maybe there were ppl that consented to getting down that way.
i am not convinced, but it's an interesting argument and i don't know how i feel about it yet.

i'm thinking out loud.



>about exactly. The Hollywood scene? are people actually
>making the the long jump leap in logic that by virtue of these
>women being actresses or in hollywood they were implicitly
>consenting to the rampant drug use/whatever scene? seems
>pretty specious to me and i don't buy it

that scene.

>i don't buy that all hardcore drugs/ swinger friendly ppl
>were on that shit.
>but i can see there being a subset of ppl where getting your
>drinks spiked sometimes was par for the course.
>
>as i said, i have never done drugs or had sex in an era where
>spiking a drink was anything other than reprehensible. we got
>PSA's about it.
>
>but hey, maybe there were ppl that consented to getting down
>that way.
>i am not convinced, but it's an interesting argument and i
>don't know how i feel about it yet.
>
>i'm thinking out loud.
>
>
>
>>about exactly. The Hollywood scene? are people actually
>>making the the long jump leap in logic that by virtue of
>these
>>women being actresses or in hollywood they were implicitly
>>consenting to the rampant drug use/whatever scene? seems
>>pretty specious to me and i don't buy it
>

even if this subculture exists, and i am not convinced it does,
that DOESN'T mean that cosby is exonerated.

because as i said, if this existed, it was a subculture
and there's nothing to indicate that the women that got drugged
knew what they were signing up for when they had a night on the town with cosby.

as i said earlier... if John Lennon and Keith Richards and Phil Spectar have a lost weekend, and they hang out with some other ppl that are about that life and everything
that goes along with it,

that's different from Bill taking a "civilian" that is NOT about that life
that had no idea what she was getting into and drugging her and fucking her.

so really, the fact that this subculture may have existed doesn't mean cosby isn't a sexual predator.



>that scene.
>
>>i don't buy that all hardcore drugs/ swinger friendly ppl
>>were on that shit.
>>but i can see there being a subset of ppl where getting your
>>drinks spiked sometimes was par for the course.
>>
>>as i said, i have never done drugs or had sex in an era
>where
>>spiking a drink was anything other than reprehensible. we
>got
>>PSA's about it.
>>
>>but hey, maybe there were ppl that consented to getting down
>>that way.
>>i am not convinced, but it's an interesting argument and i
>>don't know how i feel about it yet.
>>
>>i'm thinking out loud.
>>
>>
>>
>>>about exactly. The Hollywood scene? are people actually
>>>making the the long jump leap in logic that by virtue of
>>these
>>>women being actresses or in hollywood they were implicitly
>>>consenting to the rampant drug use/whatever scene? seems
>>>pretty specious to me and i don't buy it
>>
>

is ridiculous unless you're a defense attorney or emotionally invested in Bill Cosby

>is ridiculous unless you're a defense attorney or
>emotionally invested in Bill Cosby


i have no dog in this fight.
bill cosby can be a rapist and it would not affect my appreciation of his work in any way.

>bill cosby can be a rapist and it would not affect my
>appreciation of his work in any way.
>

just think that people going out of their way to come up with far fetched defenses for him is ridiculous

.

n/m

.

it's a completely valid question to ask.


*And given the tenor of the culture in the entertainment industry at that time, I (ME PERSONALLY) would reckon that the chances that they dabbled to whatever degree is probably more than remote

Pure speculation of course, but informed by documented history

>it's a completely valid question to ask.
>
>
>*And given the tenor of the culture in the entertainment
>industry at that time, I (ME PERSONALLY) would reckon that the
>chances that they dabbled to whatever degree is probably more
>than remote
>
>Pure speculation of course, but informed by documented
>history


is it possible that ALL his accusers were into a hardcore drug/swinger scene sure, The probability of that is low however. especially since most of these encounters seemed to have taken place one on one in hotel rooms or what have you.

>is it possible that ALL his accusers were into a hardcore
>drug/swinger scene sure, The probability of that is low
>however. especially since most of these encounters seemed to
>have taken place one on one in hotel rooms or what have you.

but I'd wager that it's nowhere near as low as you might be thinking, especially when we're talking about the West coast entertainment fraternity in the 1970s.

Don't get too caught up on the term "swinger" to conjure up images of polyester-swathed wife-swapping parties alone. I've tried to restrain my use of the term "swinger" because I know it tends to denote that particular thing in the present-day context.... but as I said somewhere before, I'm referring to the aggressively liberated ethos surrounding sex and drugs in pre-Reaganite America.

What does that prove, other than the fact that they were part of a culture that left them vulnerable to sexual assaults? Just as I willingly work in an industry where I will be, and am currently, discriminated against based on my race, many women back then were part of a scene where they expected that men would rape them. I don't think that pokes any holes in their claims of sexual assault.

this isn't a big deal, but can't leave the topic alone?

and they keep changing their "one thing" that makes the charges hard to believe?

remember the names

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

just have my jaw on the floor.

you can't rationalize this shit. There's no way.

but this series of posts is blowing my mind. Its really unbelievable.

http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

"Arm Leg Leg Arm How you doin?" (c)T510

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://twitter.com/Lilakoi_Moon/status/535983829161611264


Michelle Hurd has her story as well

http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/11/21/cosby-complaint-law-order-actress-writes-i-was-instructed-to-never-tell-anyone-what-we-did-together


Yeah it's a wrap.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

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Lisa Bonet is not on Twitter and that story does not appear on Michelle Hurd's FB page.

Actually, let me say the Lisa tweet is definitely fake and the Michelle Hurd story is *probably* fake.

Are you some type of detective or secret agent?

Just asking because you sound like you know everything about anyone in this industry.

Someone says a person said something and you site their social media status to cast doubt... that shit is weird b.

I say this as a conspiracy theorist but I admit I'm a CT...

I kinda dont want to believe that you are thinking this all through but you seem to come up with a reason why every account is a lie.

I think Bill is a nasty dude who raped multiple women. I also think people protected him until he started doing shit they didnt like or until the cost to defend him was greater than his earning potential.

I dont see how you can see the Hurdle story "might be" fake because it wasnt on her facebook page. How the fuck you type that shit? What does she have to gain?

when someone says something about something on the Internet, it only takes a few seconds to look it up and confirm the veracity of it.

(and who doesn't?)

it's not hard, when google is a thing that exists.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Damn, Cos is a fucking scumbag!

https://mobile.twitter.com/IAmCreeSummer/status/487280440936370176

she's married to garrett dillahunt?

I had no idea

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

That was me earlier lol
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://twitter.com/JusticeLeague/status/536240800603328514

Bill Cosby is 1 of top 10 black people in earth’s history. He gets a pass @janiceDickinson isn’t even top 10 in any category.

>https://twitter.com/JusticeLeague/status/536240800603328514
>
>Bill Cosby is 1 of top 10 black people in earth’s history.
>He gets a pass @janiceDickinson isn’t even top 10 in any
>category.

"Most of these people replying need to be raped by Cosby"

https://twitter.com/FAIZONLOVE/with_replies

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

Keep your spelling in check if you want to go in on someone online
Lawd that fool
Got Jelani Cobbs looking at him like who are you?
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

Why in the hell would Adidas sponsor Big Worm? Cmon. Critical thinking lost

Dudes barely coherent
~~~~
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~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

No message

No message

No message

No message

people are now going to wonder what dude said
and in people wondering folks are going to repeat the craziness he said
doesn't help.
delete the shit and move on.

I dont even know what dude said but delete it if anything

a buncha victim blaming basically. he posted it here first then made a separate post
which is now anchored, and edited to curse dude out
while i don't agree at all with what the nigga was saying i feel like the rest is extra
just delete his post (like they did the reply in here) and move on.

..the anchor isn't for them.

they weren't the only person trollin' on that bs today, so instead of simply deleting yet ANOTHER post, i left a warning to anyone else feelin' froggy today.

i removed the bullshit from this thread (as i've done many time before), in hopes to allow this current dialogue to continue without issue.

- people complain about mods not being transparent or serving notice when someone steps outta line (lyin' even when they DO receive an inbox)
- some claim they never knew they did anything wrong. others claim to be victims of unfair moderation.
- now i'm labeled "heavy handed" for makin' an example of someone who wanted to be an asshole.

ehh... i'll be that.

*and like clockwork, the peanut gallery chimes in, even when they have NO CLUE what actually went down.

they wanted attention, they got it.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

not to mention it makes you look lIke a dick.
not really helping the mod image around these parts but whatever

..like i've already stated:

when we lock without adding a message (or an inbox), people claim that we're abusive & rude.

when we're relaxed or simply working behind the scenes, people claim that we're abusive & rude.

i locked/deleted several troll threads, and when that wasn't enough, i made an example of one.

*kanyeshrug* to anyone who has a problem with it.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

smh

yes you had to tell dude to eat a dick up to show ppl who's boss. got it.

FOH

..i borrowed an oft used quote from rich.

i guess there's always an arm-chair qb criticizing the moves of others.

*shrug*


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>they weren't the only person trollin' on that bs today, so
>instead of simply deleting yet ANOTHER post, i left a warning
>to anyone else feelin' froggy today.

this sounds like actual beef, it isnt.

>*and like clockwork, the peanut gallery chimes in, even when
>they have NO CLUE what actually went down.

you typed in caps "eat a dick" and anchored it, instead of you know...handling it the right way. but yeah I guess you're wrapped up in your role as authoritarian

wireless mouse in a holster.

..cry later.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

editing posts to "eat a dick", censoring the word nigga, go to Ferguson and fight a real cause if you really need something to do

or keep being childish on here, your choice

anyone in the whole thread.

It's like someone left 2nd graders in charge of monitoring adults.

I really don't have anything constructive to add here...smh

-- and then paid your way through college.

so fitting for the cos right now.

its like he molested all of us.

my mom would NEVER watch tv. full-time job. come home to three kids. pass out in the bed. rinse wash repeat.

but thursday night @ 8? she was posted.

i grew to have this typical mixture of respect / resent that i hold for most out of touch old black fogeys. we were in a good place, lol.

hard to believe ol boy was on that sandusky. fuck.

them poor girls ain't have a shot, either. this man's an entertainment god. gotta be fucking terrible to be preyed upon like that & see this fucker on the tube everyday.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/bill-cosby-paid-women-ex-nbc-employee-article-1.2020464

EXCLUSIVE: Ex-NBC employee Frank Scotti claims Bill Cosby paid off women, invited young models to dressing room as he stood guard

Veteran NBC employee Frank Scotti says he helped Bill Cosby deliver thousands of dollars to eight different women in 1989-90 - including Shawn Thompson, whose daughter Autumn Jackson claimed the actor was her dad. The ex-aide also tells the Daily News he stood guard whenever Cosby invited young models to his dressing room, which eventually led him to quitting after years on the job.

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Back when Bill Cosby was the king of network television, veteran NBC employee Frank Scotti served as the royal fixer.

When Cosby invited young models into his Brooklyn dressing room, the megastar’s pal stood watch outside the door. When the married Cosby sought a Queens apartment for another pretty face, Scotti arranged the deal.

And when the man behind Fat Albert needed cash disbursed to his flock of single female friends — hey, hey, hey — Scotti became the conduit for payments of up to $2,000 a month.

“He had everybody fooled,” said Scotti in an exclusive interview with the Daily News. “Nobody suspected.”

Scotti came forward last week with his insider’s look at Cosby’s womanizing ways during the magical 1984-92 run of “The Cosby Show.”

The 90-year-old Scotti said he decided to speak as the drumbeat of sexual abuse allegations against Cosby, 77, grew steadily louder. “I felt sorry for the women,” he told The News.

The Emmy-winning Cosby, NBC’s most bankable star at the time, used Scotti to deliver monthly payouts to eight different women in 1989-90 — including Shawn Thompson, whose daughter Autumn Jackson claimed the actor was her dad.

Cosby, while denying paternity, paid out more than $100,000 to Thompson over the years after their 1974 affair began. Scotti told The News that he believes Cosby was sleeping with all the women who received money.

“I was suspicious that something was going on,” said Scotti. “I suspected that he was having sex with them because the other person he was sending money to (Thompson) he was definitely having sex with.

“Why else would he be sending money?” Scotti asked. “He was sending these women $2,000 a month. What else could I think?”

Scotti, who lives in Lakewood, N.J., saved copies of money orders from the era detailing his payouts to four of the Cosby women.

He recalled Cosby presenting him with “a satchel of money, all $100 bills,” and pressing Scotti to distribute the payments using money orders in his own name.

“I did a lot of crazy things for him,” recalled Scotti. “He was covering himself by having my name on it. It was a coverup. I realized it later.”

Scotti worked as facilities manager at the Brooklyn studio where “The Cosby Show” was originally taped before a live audience.

Thompson, contacted last week by email, refused to comment on the ongoing Cosby sex scandal and stopped writing once Scotti’s name was mentioned.

A second woman said “Dr. Cosby” sent her money to help cover expenses for her son to attend private school. The receipts showed her receiving four money orders in one day worth $3,500.

“Your source could have asked me, instead of leading you on a witch hunt,” the woman texted The News. “Not that any of this is your business.”

Cosby, via Scotti, passed along an additional $1,560 to a third woman in February 1990.

Angela Leslie, now 52, was the last name on the receipts — and she told The News the Cosby camp paid for her to fly to California in the early 1990s. She got sick and returned her ticket but saw him two years later in Las Vegas.

Once there, Leslie claimed Cosby got naked before getting sexual — despite her lack of interest. When she backed off, Cosby chased her out of the room.

“I felt so used,” she told The News.

Scotti said Cosby also had an arrangement with a Manhattan modeling agency in which the owner would deliver young women to his dressing room. Some of the aspiring models were as young as 16, Scotti said.

“‘I want you to keep that one girl here,’ ” Scotti quoted Cosby as telling him. “ ‘I want to interview her for a part in the show.’”

The other models and the agency’s owner would quickly disappear, leaving Cosby’s pick alone with the comedian.

“The owner just walked right out,” he recounted. “She knew exactly what was going to go on. Then he’d tell me, ‘Stand outside the door and don’t let anyone in.’ Now you put that together and figure (out) why.”

On another occasion, Cosby asked him to find a Queens apartment for another model from the same agency.

“He said, ‘Call Donald Trump’s brother and see if he can give you an apartment,’ ” Scotti recalled. “So I called him up, and of course, who’s not going to? He’d throw somebody out just to give Bill Cosby an apartment.”

Scotti said the sordid arrangements gnawed at him, and eventually led him to walk away from Cosby.

“It bothered me. . . . You’ve got all of these kids, every time,” he told The News. “I used to like him, but that’s the reason I quit him after so many years — because of the girls.”

The walls of Scotti’s apartment are covered with photos of the former facilities manager from his days at NBC — many with Cosby, including one signed 16-inch-by-20-inch framed portrait.

“To Frank Scotty, my friend,” reads the misspelled inscription.

Cosby lawyer Martin Singer scoffed at Scotti’s claims.

“What evidence does he have of Mr. Cosby’s involvement?” Singer said Saturday. “How would Scotti know if a woman was a model or a secretary? It appears that his story is pure speculation so that he can get his 15 minutes of fame.”

Scotti says he met Cosby when the comedian was doing standup at the Gaslight Cafe in Greenwich Village. When Cosby went to California for the series “I Spy,” Scotti landed a job at NBC.

The two were reunited when Cosby began shooting “The Cosby Show” in Brooklyn in 1984.

Scotti told Cosby that he was considering retirement — and was surprised by the star’s response.

“He said, ‘You’ll never quit me. You love me,’ ” Scotti recounted.

The Cos then gave him a less sentimental sendoff when he announced his departure.

He looked at me and said, ‘Leave right now,’ ” Scotti recalled.

He has only seen Cosby once since that day.

“He was a very selfish person,” Scotti said. “He thought he was a genius. He thought he was better than everybody else.”

or if he just flips through them like a mad libs

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lol he's getting cooked

fucking an unconscious woman right now.

"maybe that's what she's into"

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I think it's like R.Kelly... everyone knew he was into young girls but they didn't talk about it until they were forced to talk about it because of the video.

My question is what changed? Why did it blow over THIS time instead of fading to black like the last 2 or 3 times.

I think Cosby did this shit but I also think the powers that be said left him hanging...

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ties the scenarios together thoroughly.

I'll finish after RHOA lol

Its pretty damaging.

Bill is done.

>ties the scenarios together thoroughly.
>

If there's a conspiracy of lies it's a huge risk to bring someone into the scenario who isn't already on the record as agreeing. Makes collusion less likely.

the more details that come out...

the more damning it is...

and yea, sure...some scenarios are hard to reconcile...

but either way...a predator going to be a predator

i never believed it was a conspiracy against him and even though i knew it's happened...the amount of times some of his victims returned to the well a bit brow-raising...1 or 2 doin it...ok...the 5 or 6...im like "hold up"

but there are far more accounts where that didn't happen...too many of those accounts seemed shrouded in mystery...now that's not the case...i'm convinced

his educational background. They said (and ive seen repeatedly elsewhere) simply that he dropped out of Temple University without further detail. But when you click on the timeline it shows that he went back and completed a degree at Temple. Plus a masters and doctorate at UMass.

Other than that little nitpick i thought that article was a great read.

on his PhD, so they kinda elude to it

But, you are right, it could have been better in that regard.

I've heard discussion that he wasn't a "real" doctor but wasn't clear whether he'd actually had an actual non-honorary doctoral degree conferred. The timeline cleared it up though.

It doesnt clarify the timeline, it doesn't advance the story. It is a side street that for now and in the cade if this particular article is a street to nowhere.

Its just something that I've noticed in many of the articles I've read about him the last week or so.

They made it a point to mention Temple quite a lot in the article but I didn't get from initially reading the article that'd he'd done more than drop out.

ever.

there is wrong. and then there is the public outcry and punishment for doing wrong. and then there is the public outcry and punishment for doing wrong when you're a person of color.

yes punishments and consequences need to happen. but they should happen across the board. if Nick at Nite is gonna pull the Cosby show then all Woody Allen's movies need to be pulled from Netflix.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

>ever.
>
>there is wrong. and then there is the public outcry and
>punishment for doing wrong. and then there is the public
>outcry and punishment for doing wrong when you're a person of
>color.
>
>yes punishments and consequences need to happen. but they
>should happen across the board. if Nick at Nite is gonna pull
>the Cosby show then all Woody Allen's movies need to be pulled
>from Netflix.
>---------------------------------------
>it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're
>strangers.
>
>not compassionate....only polite.
>
>I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

>
>---------------------------------------
>it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're
>strangers.
>
>not compassionate....only polite.
>
>I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

careers.

i listened to some Miles Davis this morning on my way to work.

but i do wonder about Netflix specifically.

granted, Woody's and Bill's cases aren't exactly the same. and Woody's might be more troubling.

i wonder how Netflix squares that.

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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

I don't watch his movies.

... you might change your mind.

Soon Yi and Woody didn't have any interaction with one another until she was an adult (20) and Mia Farrow was the one that made that happen in the first place as a condition of her and Woody continuing their relationship (which began to fall apart not long after).

She was also never adopted by Woody, namely because he was never married to Mia Farrow. Even Soon Yi has disputed him ever being a "father figure" because she simply didn't know him until she was grown.

With regard to Dylan, there were witnesses to Mia coaching her to say that Woody molested her, even to the point of Dylan protesting it herself.


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they gotta gtfoh w/ that

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I get it tho. After all the crap you talked in these posts, you don't want any info
like that getting out. Rjcc with the Fox News editing, lol.

I posted the article.

gtfoh

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to report a Black man raping her?

If you're not deleting those posts, then anything should be fair game.

That's why I titled the post "Since we're believing any and everybody."

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enough to delete other BS.
But you do acknowledge that you're on some BS.

Yes, we are done here.

But yall done indicted the man in here.

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but people who have reasonable rational thoughts look at 15+ rape allegations and think hmmmmmmm

k

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And LOL @ thinking "hmmmmm" when all you've been doing is calling dude a rapist
and anyone who dares question that a moron.

But aite, dude. Stay in your egotistical little world where you're always right.

so what are you defending?

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What AM I defending?
My only point is that you can't be so quick to believe what you hear about Black figures
who've fought to uplift Black people and expose white plagiarism of African culture.
You say Bill hasn't done anything for Black people... it's like you really don't know the man's
track record. He's long been one to highlight how racism affects Black children and the
way we develop in this country. IF he is a rapist, then I can't rock with that, but I do know
for a bonafied fact that America does NOT want Black people waking up and being conscious
and that media is one of the main avenues of keeping us sleep and keeping white folks
viewing us a certain way. Bill Cosby has always countered that negative image.

This entire 3 post saga continues to be more and more laughable.

as he deletes posts he disagrees with.

and there's no reason to doubt thier validity other than...?

oh nothing?

cool.

the other story is clearly made up and even the person who posted it says so.

so we're done here.

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all these lil white girls in the 60's and 70's, Bill Cosby was famous but he wasn't THAT "powerful" back then.

it's possible that you may not know everything about rape, rape victims, and what plays into someone getting away with it.

this is a possibility.

unless of course you spent a lot of time thinking about and researching how to get away with rape in the 60s and 70s?

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"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

But were talking about Hollywood in the 60s and 70s, not the places were you couldn't look at a white woman the wrong way.

By the early 70s, Cosby was huge in stand up comedy, won multiple Emmys for dramatic acting, was putting out comedy and music albums, had a sitcom, a part time Tonight Show gig, helped start the Electric Company, and created Fat Albert.

Even if he wasn't considered to be that powerful, he was a huge star making money for a lot of powerful people.

Regardless of race, do you think a woman in that era, who willingly took some mystery pills at a Hollywood party, would have a chance of being believed?
These were aspiring young actresses and models who probably who have been

>But were talking about Hollywood in the 60s and 70s, not the
>places were you couldn't look at a white woman the wrong way.


It's still part of Amerikkka

>By the early 70s, Cosby was huge in stand up comedy, won
>multiple Emmys for dramatic acting, was putting out comedy and
>music albums, had a sitcom, a part time Tonight Show gig,
>helped start the Electric Company, and created Fat Albert.
>
>Even if he wasn't considered to be that powerful, he was a
>huge star making money for a lot of powerful people.
>

People who would only let him go so far.

>Regardless of race, do you think a woman in that era, who
>willingly took some mystery pills at a Hollywood party, would
>have a chance of being believed?
>These were aspiring young actresses and models who probably
>who have been
>

Yes a white woman would. Sammy Davis Jr. caught flack for marrying a white woman, so would anyone pick Cosby over white woman who said she was raped ?

.

Plus being in Hollywood at that time, it was probably easy to explain away as groupie regrets if anything did come out. I mean, that's the angle people are taking today, on here. .. the cops were probably filing rape reports directly into the trash unless it was violent back then.

Forget about the idea of LA as liberal loveland, there was always a strong undercurrent of white supremacy pervading the landscape. This was the era when Daryl Gates was still the most influential police commander, yeah?

I'm not so sure they would have let things slide unless there was some heavy-duty studio fixing involved.

I'm not gonna say what's what, but there's a lot of revisionist history here in judging what Cosby's power level was like in the 60s and 70s and what America's views on race in general were like in those days. A man like Cosby was in a very precarious position because Americans were still not sure about how to feel about negroes and Cos was a transitional figure who walked the wire to show that blacks were nothing to be scared of. But that balance he walked was fragile and could very easily be upset.

Plus, I don't think it would have been as easy to explain away as "groupie regrets".... Cos was married at the time. To a *black woman*. Forget about the rape part, just the notion of him cheating on his wife (with white women at that) would have been enough to constitute a career-ending scandal. Things like that were a much bigger deal then than they are now.

I referenced Daryl Gates when I meant William H. Parker

(Gates WAS a commander under that regime, though)

I mean, there's more than half a dozen of them, togethe,r speaking out about it now.

and millions of people STILL don't believe them.

but I'm sure they believed that just one solo woman would have been believed, despite the actual evidence of the world we live in that shows otherwise. your hypotheticals that contradict the thing you're actually doing by raising those hypotheticals make tons of sense.

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Cosby = Black. the accusers = white. and that's all it takes. if they had gone to the police and said they'd been drugged and raped by a Black man he'd have been lynched. no question. it doesn't matter that he was a player in Hollywood and these women were unknowns. even though he was Black and a player in Hollywood who was relatively well-connected, the fact that these women didn't report the alleged rapes mean they didn't happen. b/c if they'd happened those white women would've reported and had him locked up which the LAPD would've done b/c - racism. so these women clearly weren't bothered by what they say happened back then. they're making it up now b/c they're part of a plot to keep Cos down b/c - racism.

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I'm just responding to the insistent caveat offered that Bill Cosby was this cosmic-powered star who was so untouchable that cops would have instantly thrown any complaints against him in the garbage can. Bill was not THAT big.

Flip Wilson was bigger than Cos in those days and he caught an assault case in the early 70s and had to settle in civil court. (It wasn't rape--it was assault and battery on his ex-girlfriend... who was black. But even though: if that case could have legs, cases against Cosby could too).

Like I said, these women may very well have had their reasons for not reporting... but the whole "Cos was so powerful, no way a case could stick to him" stuff is just flat-out revisionist.

Maybe the women actually believed that? (ALL OF THEM?) I dunno... but it probably was not an accurate belief.

I always eat my cereal dry, I used to be allergic to milk, now I'm less allergic, more lactose intolerant but I just don't like to drink milk

I tried it with milk once and noticed that though

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I don't know exactly what the chemical transformation is that occurs when milk is added, but it turns Cinnamon Toast Crunch into... something else.

Being a white woman accusing a married man in those times??
Shoot folks question TODAY their motives in being alone and in a hotel room with a married black man
Their reputations aren't perfect today

You know how virginal and unimpeachable their reps would have to be back then???

I can't imagine white cops not turning on these 'loose women' and it immediately becoming white women willing to sleep with a black man and "regretting" it

They also would have had to have powerful connections to be believed

I'm these cases HE was their powerful connection

Predators know their prey

>Forget about the idea of LA as liberal loveland, there was
>always a strong undercurrent of white supremacy pervading the
>landscape. This was the era when Daryl Gates was still the
>most influential police commander, yeah?
>
>I'm not so sure they would have let things slide unless there
>was some heavy-duty studio fixing involved.

People struggle with pressing charges NOW and the system is much more sensitive to this kind of thing now than it was in the past.

Plus, I'm not saying he had the power to call the commissioner and get some charges dropped.... but he was known in Hollywood, was a legitimate star at the time and had the kind of entre most people breaking into the industry would love to have. He did have the power to get someone their first break.

>I'm not gonna say what's what, but there's a lot of
>revisionist history here in judging what Cosby's power level
>was like in the 60s and 70s and what America's views on race
>in general were like in those days. A man like Cosby was in a
>very precarious position because Americans were still not sure
>about how to feel about negroes and Cos was a transitional
>figure who walked the wire to show that blacks were nothing to
>be scared of. But that balance he walked was fragile and could
>very easily be upset.
>
>Plus, I don't think it would have been as easy to explain away
>as "groupie regrets".... Cos was married at the time. To a
>*black woman*. Forget about the rape part, just the notion of
>him cheating on his wife (with white women at that) would have
>been enough to constitute a career-ending scandal. Things like
>that were a much bigger deal then than they are now.

Hmmm, I dunno. I think media looked the other way alot more back then... hell, even 20 years ago. Media likely knew he was out, partying, and just didn't report it out of professional courtesy.

>Hmmm, I dunno. I think media looked the other way alot more
>back then... hell, even 20 years ago. Media likely knew he was
>out, partying, and just didn't report it out of professional
>courtesy.

A messy "affair"--a SERIES of messy "affairs" with accusations of rape/assault was another thing altogether.

In the 1960s and 70s? This was the era of Soul On Ice... Dutchman... you know what hot-button issue the rape of white women by black males was?

None of this to meant to suggest that it didn't happen... I'm just saying that this particular explanation I've heard offered again and again (and not even so much from the women themselves as from others trying to explain it) "Who would believe them because Bill Cosby was America's dad... He was so powerful... The cops would not have charged him"

That particular narrative seems inconsistent with reality. He was not yet America's dad and he was not yet that powerful. And black stars of his caliber caught cases... Flip Wilson... Redd Foxx etc.

I mean, in the case of someone like Joan Tarshis, who was a comedy writer, I can see how she might fret that attacking Cosby could possibly wreck her career. I can see that for a few of the women who were showbiz aspirants.

But the notion that the cops or the courts would not touch him? Nah...

>People struggle with pressing charges NOW and the system is
>much more sensitive to this kind of thing now than it was in
>the past.

I know. Which is why I said I'm sure they had their (very real) reasons.

>
>A messy "affair"--a SERIES of messy "affairs" with accusations
>of rape/assault was another thing altogether.
>
>In the 1960s and 70s? This was the era of Soul On Ice...
>Dutchman... you know what hot-button issue the rape of white
>women by black males was?

It's not about what you knew or what anyone in this post knows, it's about what a traumatised woman would know, and could confidently rely on enough to take action.


>
>That particular narrative seems inconsistent with reality. He
>was not yet America's dad and he was not yet that powerful.
>And black stars of his caliber caught cases... Flip Wilson...
>Redd Foxx etc.

Whatever his power he was more powerful than the women involved. Other people catching cases means nothing. Expecting young women to have the awareness and media savvy of us sitting on a message board years after the fact seems inconsistent with reality.

>
>I mean, in the case of someone like Joan Tarshis, who was a
>comedy writer, I can see how she might fret that attacking
>Cosby could possibly wreck her career. I can see that for a
>few of the women who were showbiz aspirants.
>
>But the notion that the cops or the courts would not touch
>him? Nah...

Easy to say in hindsight when you aren't dealing with the trauma the victim suffered.

Respect.

This was America's Dad... Dammit..!!!!!


I wanted to be a Huxtable so bad growing up...


Why Bill????

remember when illuminati hacked bill's twitter account and launched a meme contest at THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME, hyping the whole thing up?

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interesting to compare these 2 groups. I'm seeing some folks who kind of switched sides in this...like they were anti-R.Kelly..but now they making excuses for Bill Cosby.

I mean there isn't tape of Bill Cosby doing anything illegal...so they are different situations....

but it's interesting to compare these 2 group of apologists.... different demographics..but not in all cases...

he is still a great songwriter and the Cosby Show is one of the best shows ever but umm...

both these dudes got serious problems when it comes to women and young girls

>interesting to compare these 2 groups. I'm seeing some folks
>who kind of switched sides in this...like they were
>anti-R.Kelly..but now they making excuses for Bill Cosby.
>
>I mean there isn't tape of Bill Cosby doing anything
>illegal...so they are different situations....
>
>but it's interesting to compare these 2 group of
>apologists.... different demographics..but not in all
>cases...
>
>

There is no tape, no evidence and he hasn't been charged with a crime there is a huge difference

I'm not saying he did or didn't do it and everybody has a right to come to their own conclusion but knowing the history of black men being charged with rape in this country, I'm finding it hard to believe white women in the 60s would be afraid to charge a black man with rape and all of these women wanted something from Cos. I'm not going to just quickly assume he's guilty.

to allegations is strikingly similar to Cosby's.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/11/02/jian_ghomeshis_unplanned_dinner_with_star_writer_kevin_donovan.html#
"Ghomeshi kept his voice low.
“I don’t understand why you are still asking questions when our lawyers have told you that I am innocent and there is no story.”
“The women who say you attacked them would differ,” I told him. “They have made some very strong allegations against you. Are you still carrying on like this with women?”
He dodged the question.
“Look, there’s no story. Why do you continue asking about this and talking to people. I know who you have talked to and some of them are my friends and they talk to me,” Ghomeshi said.
I was surprised that he did not understand how it works, given the nature of his job, which has over the years entailed asking tough questions.
“I am not a journalist,” he said. “You need to watch yourself.”
Ghomeshi had not touched his plate. He toyed with his cutlery, checking his phone frequently. “People in this city need to understand that I have a long memory. You need to understand that and be very, very careful.”"

Ghomeshi was charged with four counts of sexual assault today.
Ghomeshi was apparently able to assault women over many years without having charges brought against him because of his status in Canada's entertainment industry and by selecting victims who were young and less credible.
In the 2000s. In Canada. With one sliver of the fame Cosby has ever had.

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when i was 16.
trying to pull me onto the floor
touching me, trying to kiss me
when i turned my head away he latched onto my neck leaving marks.

didn't report anything to the authorities.
instead it was handled "in house".
if i were to learn of him sexually assaulting someone or of rape
yeah
i'd say that sunuvabitch put his paws on me too
and this was 24 years ago.

i had to deal with threats
pressure
his denial
and the loss of a childhood friend.

what happened, happened.

>when i was 16.
>trying to pull me onto the floor
>touching me, trying to kiss me
>when i turned my head away he latched onto my neck leaving
>marks.
>
>didn't report anything to the authorities.
>instead it was handled "in house".
>if i were to learn of him sexually assaulting someone or of
>rape
>yeah
>i'd say that sunuvabitch put his paws on me too
>and this was 24 years ago.
>
>i had to deal with threats
>pressure
>his denial
>and the loss of a childhood friend.
>
>what happened, happened.

As will be the selective attention from the deniers who will gloss over this.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9fe5f556cabb49ffa70bb5d942368432/cosby-testimony-describes-accusers-spiked-story

""Did you ever think that if Beth Ferrier's story was printed in the National Enquirer, that that would make the public believe that maybe Andrea was also telling the truth?" Cosby was asked.

"Exactly," Cosby replied, according to court motions initially filed under seal and made available from archived federal court records.

Cosby, in the deposition, said he had a contract with the Enquirer.

"I would give them an exclusive story, my words," Cosby said in the Sept. 29, 2005, deposition. In return, "they would not print the story of — print Beth's story.""

the enquirer interview referenced in an earlier thread -- he gave it because otherwise they would print a story featuring an accuser.

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Somebody paying them women to put that out there. ust like somenody paid that ugly Stiviano chick to turn on Sterling. V. stiviano did not even care that much for blak people er damn self.

This whole mess with Cosby is real simple. The powers that be do not want any positive images of black people on tv anymore. Y'all do know that black people watch the most tv. And we also are the most disorganized people in America. Fergson is proof of this.

The powers that be wanna keep us distracted with slutty Scandal, Hot Ghetto Mess, Houseweaves of Atlanta and God knows what else. I don't watch television anymore.

I am not saying Cosby is a saint but i gottta give him props for putting out positive images for black people. You gotta respect him for doing it his way and being successful. I know a lot of people don't like Bill because he had enough guts to tell black people the truth. When he said that black people needed to raise their children and stop blaming others for their problems folks got mad. He got a lot of hate for saying that shit but it is the truth.

Well you know a lot of us want role models to pat us on the head and tell us everything is OK Do the opposite and you willget ate from niggas.
Do not believe these stories coming from these Hollywood tramps.

cool

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/video/another-cosby-accuser-comes-forward/vi-BBg3wO3

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http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/27518630/bill-cosby

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/04/us-people-billcosby-navy-idUSKCN0JI2BW20141204

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but damn...

(see what i did there? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Part_6)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/12/10/bill-cosby-hit-with-new-accuser-lawsuit-for-defamation/20205051/

one of his accusers is suing him for defamation, claiming she was defamed by Cosby's denials of her accusation. HUH???

LOL.

that's some creative legalizing right there. and i think it'll backfire on ol' girl. but what do i know?

Cos gets to use truth as a defense...so here we go! he's getting his day in court. if this case survives summary judgment, that is.

maybe his lawyers can convince a judge that the producer is a public figure which would force the producer to prove actual malice in order to prevail. i dunno.

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/supermodel-beverly-johnson-writes-detailed-account-of-alleged-bill-cosby-attack-193745232.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindra-ladd/bill-cosby-trust-me_b_6526064.html

"This is the first time I have chosen to speak out about that night. It is also the last time I intend to address it publicly. I have no plans to sue, I don't want or need money. I have no plans for a press conference or for doing any interviews.

So why speak out at all and why now? The simple answer is that it's the right thing to do. The truth deserves to be known. As I write this, more than 20 women have come forward, many with stories that are remarkably similar to mine. In response to these brave women, I have read comments like, "What took them so long?" and "What are they after now"? I would ask these people to remember that up until relatively recently, prosecuting rape was a "he said/she said" proposition where the victim was blamed for having worn "suggestive clothing" or questioned as to why she went somewhere with her rapist.

When this happened to me, the idea of drugging someone and raping them was almost fantastical. It was years before "date rape" drugs made the news, but it was a perfect modus operandi for a predator, rendering his victim unconscious or so incapacitated as to be unable to clearly answer police questions about the incident. After having done a lot of work on myself, I realize that we are only as sick as the secrets we keep. Once those secrets are spoken aloud, even if to just one person, they lose their power. I no longer feel the shame that kept me silent. Yes, I could have told my story years ago, and in hindsight I probably should have. It's time now that my voice be added and to finally pull the curtain back from this dark moment in my life.

Having come of age in the late 1960s and early 1970s before marrying in the mid 1980s at 37, I certainly have a history. The difference is that any other relationships were consensual ... my encounter with Bill Cosby was most certainly not.

In the years since that night I have crossed paths with Cosby only once, when my husband, a highly successful Oscar-winning film executive and producer, introduced me to him. I was shaking, wondering if he would recognize me by my unusual first name. His reaction spoke volumes. To Bill Cosby, I was just another stranger."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/01/27/in-hindsight-bill-cosbys-old-books-on-love-sex-and-family-are-incredibly-creepy/

Cosby writes in “Fatherhood,” he worries that they may encounter new versions of it:

The happiness of these four daughters has been of supreme importance to me, but the problem is that this happiness may depend on their avoiding the kind of person their father was in his drugstore days. . . . Every time a young man comes to my house for one of my daughters, I have wanted to take them aside and say:

“You’re not like me, are you? If you are, then I know what you want and I hope you have the same terrible luck. . . . And one more thing: I may have to kill you, but it will be nothing personal.”

>http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/01/27/in-hindsight-bill-cosbys-old-books-on-love-sex-and-family-are-incredibly-creepy/
>
>Cosby writes in “Fatherhood,” he worries that they may
>encounter new versions of it:
>
>The happiness of these four daughters has been of supreme
>importance to me, but the problem is that this happiness may
>depend on their avoiding the kind of person their father was
>in his drugstore days. . . . Every time a young man comes
>to my house for one of my daughters, I have wanted to take
>them aside and say:
>
>“You’re not like me, are you? If you are, then I know what
>you want and I hope you have the same terrible luck. . . .
>And one more thing: I may have to kill you, but it will be
>nothing personal.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/23/new-cosby-victims_n_7129458.html

Three women came forward Thursday with new accusations that comedian Bill Cosby sexually assaulted them, bringing the total number of women making such claims to 38.

At a press conference in Los Angeles hosted by attorney Gloria Allred, three women provided detailed accounts of assaults that Cosby allegedly committed against them. All three accounts are very similar to previous claims.

Janice Baker Kinney said Cosby assaulted her in May of 1982 while she was working as a bartender at Harrah's Hotel and Casino in Reno, Nevada, and he was a visiting performer. She said Cosby invited her to a party at a house where he was staying, but when she got there, only three people were in attendance.

She accepted two pills Cosby offered her, began losing her vision and eventually passed out during a game of backgammon. Her next memory is awaking on a couch with her jeans unzipped and blouse opened, and Cosby put his hand in her blouse. She awoke again the next morning naked in Cosby's bed, who allegedly told her, "This is between me and you."

"All this time, and for many, many years, I felt this was my fault," Kinney wrote in a statement Allred's office sent to The Huffington Post. "I took the pills from him."

She said it wasn't until recently, when she heard the stories of other women coming forward, that she realized she was a victim.

"It was like the light bulb FINALLY went on after all these years," the statement continued. "I was 24 years old and I was naïve thinking that this funny and sweet, trustworthy man would never give me something that would harm me. I was wrong and now I know that Mr. Cosby is a predator and needs to be held accountable for what he did to me."

Marcella Tate said Cosby assaulted her in 1975 when she was working as a model in Chicago, where she met him through mutual friends at a club. One day, she agreed to pick him up from the airport and drop him off at the Playboy mansion, where he invited her in and offered her a glass of wine. Her next memory is waking up in bed with a naked Cosby.

"I knew that I was in a sexual situation," she wrote in a statement Allred's office sent to HuffPost. "I never intended to be in that situation ... but because I was barely conscious and felt drugged, I was unable to do anything to get out of it."

The third woman, Autumn Burns, said she was assaulted by Cosby in 1970 when she was 20 years old working as a model and game starter at the Sahara hotel in Las Vegas. One night, she said, Cosby approached her at another hotel, gave her $500 to gamble with or spend elsewhere and invited her to his show that night. They began spending time together, she said, and he offered to help her find acting and modeling work. One night he invited her back to his room, gave her a scotch and asked her to the bedroom.

"I started feeling woozy and not in control," she wrote in a statement sent to HuffPost from Allred's office. "He told me to sit on the edge of the bed. When I did he grabbed me by the back of my neck and stuck his erect penis down my throat. I remember my head was being pounded up and down and then he lifted me on top of him and had sex with me. When he was done I knew I had to leave the room and get home. I felt like everyone on the casino floor was staring at me and had known what happened."

The three women join a number of others whom Allred is also representing.

"The women who are with me today are not the last ones who will come forward," she wrote in an email to HuffPost. "I can assure him that there will be more, because women are no longer going to be intimidated by Cosby’s celebrity, money or power."

Allred is also discouraging people from buying tickets to Cosby's upcoming show in Atlanta and said she hopes the theater will be full of empty seats.

In a November Interview with the Associated Press, Cosby responded publicly to the accusations for the first time, saying, "There’s no response ... There is no comment about that. And I’ll tell you why. I don’t want to compromise your integrity, but I don’t talk about it."

He also joked about the accusations during a performance in Ontatio in January, when he told a woman in the audience, "You know, you should be careful drinking around me."

Cosby's attorney, Martin Singer, did not immediately return HuffPost's request for comment.

Crazy....

honest question.

is there not a point where we question how a person has this much idle time, to commit acts that remain hidden for this long?

bill cosby could be as white as sea foam, and i would still be skeptical.

gloria allred is not an honest person.

>honest question.
>
>is there not a point where we question how a person has this
>much idle time, to commit acts that remain hidden for this
>long?
>
>bill cosby could be as white as sea foam, and i would still be
>skeptical.
>
>gloria allred is not an honest person.

Hello.

Catholic church?

Examples of white celebrity - not picked up until the men were really old or dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10915195/Rolf-Harris-guilty-of-child-sex-abuse.html

It's not a new phenomenon. It's also why women get really frustrated with this line of questioning, much in the same way as people get frustrated with whites who try to claim race isn't an issue with similar questions that are likewise easy to dispel with Google.

you won't believe 100

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You make it sound like Cosby was taping his movies on the moon.