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12607786, Hammond Police Dept Break Through Vehicle Window and Taze Passenger Posted by Binladen, Tue Oct-07-14 09:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsW-QCxXkQA
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12607791, PLEASE DONT LET THIS NIGGA HAVE WARRANTS OR BE ON PAROLE Posted by deejboram, Tue Oct-07-14 10:04 PM
got damn why cant they do that to Skip Gates
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12607804, Lol! Posted by Binladen, Tue Oct-07-14 10:25 PM
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12607818, lol! Posted by PROMO, Tue Oct-07-14 10:34 PM
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12607886, they did it to skip gates. it ended with the Comm in chief apologizing Posted by Riot, Wed Oct-08-14 12:33 AM
And inviting the cop Over for a beer
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12608074, Skip Gates didnt get did this violently. Posted by deejboram, Wed Oct-08-14 08:41 AM
Busting windows Tazing
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12608058, Skip Gates got arrested on his porch Posted by luminous, Wed Oct-08-14 08:33 AM
for breaking into his house... no joke...
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12610538, http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/lake/30353022-418/laporte-issues-warrant-for-hammond-man-in-controversial-video.html Posted by lazyboi, Thu Oct-09-14 07:15 PM
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/lake/30353022-418/laporte-issues-warrant-for-hammond-man-in-controversial-video.html
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12607821, More info. Stopped for an alleged seatbelt violation. Posted by Binladen, Tue Oct-07-14 10:36 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/watch-cops-smash-window-to-use-taser-on-passenger-during-seat-belt-traffic-stop/
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12607862, dont matter Posted by deejboram, Tue Oct-07-14 11:18 PM
my sister got stopped for a seatbelt violation cop busted a U to nab her but upon approaching the car he smelled ganj she was high searched car found 150lbs of dro
something else is called a 4th waiver passenger coulda been on one im waiting to see what the passenger had on him
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12608039, I know, just giving more details. Posted by Binladen, Wed Oct-08-14 08:26 AM
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12608080, Im reeeaaaallllly hoping this nigga wasnt riding durty Posted by deejboram, Wed Oct-08-14 08:43 AM
Like, im praying to a God i dont even think exists that he aint durty
And let these niggas get a full 10Milly for this fuck shit
Popo need to stand down.
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12608129, same here Posted by Binladen, Wed Oct-08-14 09:05 AM
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12607889, terrorists. Posted by Riot, Wed Oct-08-14 12:34 AM
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12608064, HMD STAND UP Posted by Geah, Wed Oct-08-14 08:36 AM
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12608109, msnbc swipe. terrorist thugs now claim he was reaching in the back seat. Posted by Riot, Wed Oct-08-14 08:54 AM
Readability Share Settings msnbc.com Family sues Hammond police over traffic stop violence OCT. 7, 2014 A simple traffic stop for an unworn seat belt turned into a nightmare for a family on their way to visit a sick loved one in the hospital, after police officers drew their guns, smashed a window and used a Taser on an unarmed passenger.
According to a lawsuit filed this week, Lisa Mahone of Indiana was pulled over by police officers in Hammond, Indiana while en route to an Illinois hospital to visit her ailing mother. Soon after the stop, Mahone says police laid out spike strips in front of her car.
Officers then order Mahone’s boyfriend, Jamal Jones who was sitting in the passenger seat to get out of the vehicle.
In cell phone video captured by a terrified 14-year-old sitting in the back seat of Mahone’s car, you can hear Mahone on the line with a 911 operator saying that she fears for her life and that moments earlier officers had pulled their guns on the couple.
“I’m scared for my life,” Mahone is heard telling the operator. “He just pulled a gun on us and we don’t have a gun.”
Jones refused to exit the vehicle because he feared for his safety, according to the lawsuit filed on Monday. An officer is then seen in the video smashing through the passenger side window with what appears to be a night stick and shocking Jones with a Taser.
Jones is seen writhing in pain as he’s dragged from the car, placed on the ground and shocked again.
Joseph Ivy, the teenager who shot the video, and his little sister, Janiya, were reportedly injured by spraying glass, according to the complaint. In the aftermath of the arrest, the younger passengers can be heard sobbing.
“He was never told he was being arrested and he was never told why they were ordering him out of the car or asking him to get out of the car,” attorney Dana Kurtz told NBC Chicago. “Thankfully Joseph videotaped it. I mean, what a great, smart 14-year-old to videotape this so there is actual evidence, and to be able to protect them and other citizens from this kind of conduct.”
The lawsuit claims that the two officers involved, Patrick Vicari and Charles Turner, both of whom are white, used excessive force, false arrest and battery against Jones, who is African-American.
Jones was subsequently charged with resisting law enforcement, failure to aid an officer and cited for not wearing a seat belt, according to Hammond police. Mahone was issued a citation for failure to wear a seat belt and a license plate reciprocity violation.
Hammond police said officers took appropriate action after Mahone lurched her car forward after officers pulled her over and Jones’ refusal to step out of the vehicle. In a statement released on Tuesday morning, Lt. Richard Hoyda of the Hammond Police Department said that during the stop Jones’ repeatedly reached toward the rear of the vehicle and that officers feared he may have been reaching for a weapon.
Hoyda said officers pulled over Mahone’s car about 3:45 p.m. on Sept. 24 after they spotted Mahone and Jones not wearing their seatbelts. Hoyda said that Mahone handed over her license when asked but told officers that Jones didn’t have any identification with him.
When officers asked Jones to provide his identification on a piece of paper, he refused to lower his window more than a crack, according to Hoyda.
Jones then told the officer that “he was not going to do his (the officer’s) job,” and for police to provide a piece of paper for him, police said.
Hoyda said officers then called for back-up after Jones refused over and again to provide his identification and was seen reaching toward the back seat.
According to police 13 minutes had gone by and at least three different officers had asked Jones to get out of the car.
“Fearing the occupants of the vehicle may have possessed a weapon, and seeing the passenger repeatedly reach towards the rear seats of the vehicle, the first officer then broke the passenger side window of the vehicle and the passenger was removed from the vehicle and was placed under arrest,” Hoyda said.
“The Hammond Police officers were at all times acting in the interest of officer safety and in accordance with Indiana law.”
###### The episode is just the latest in a string of troubling, fatal encounters between unarmed African-Americans and white police officers.
In July, police in Staten Island, New York choked to death Eric Garner minutes after accosting him on a street corner for selling loose, untaxed cigarettes.
In early August, police officers in Beavercreek, Ohio fatally shot John Crawford III at a Wal-Mart store after he’d picked up a toy gun off a shelf. Minutes earlier, a customer had called 9-11 and alleged that Crawford was armed with a gun and aiming it at children and other shoppers. Surveillance video contradicts that Crawford ever aimed the gun at anyone, and captures police gunning him down as he nonchalantly talks on his cell phone while toying with the plastic gun.
Just days later on Aug. 9, a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri shot and killed unarmed black teen Michael Brown after the officer stopped the teen while he was walking with a friend from a nearby convenience store. Several witnesses say Brown was fired on as he attempted to run away from the officer and that the fatal shots came as he was turning with his hands up in surrender. The killing sparked national outrage and protests and rioting locally.
On Sept. 10, police in Saratoga Springs, Utah fatally shot Darrien Hunt, who family say was armed with little more than a toy Samurai sword when he was killed. Police say he lunged at them with the toy sword, but inexplicably to Hunt’s supporters, Hunt was shot and killed dozens of feet away from where the altercation allegedly began.
In South Carolina, on Sept. 26, a police officer was arrested and charged with aggravated assault over his response to a routine stop at a gas station earlier in the month. The cop, who is white, stopped an African-American for a seat belt violation on Sept. 4, according to the report. When the driver reached into his vehicle to grab his ID, the officer suddenly fired several gunshots at him, the video allegedly showed.
Across the country, encounters with the police are being captured on video by citizens, some of which show how volatile and dangerous encounters with police can be.
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12608115, Who's gonna be the first to say "he shoulda complied?" Posted by KingMonte, Wed Oct-08-14 08:58 AM
As many of y'all sided with officer denny in Sandusky, who's gonna keep accepting this bullshit this time.
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12608151, This why my momma taught me to NEVER leave out the house without ID Posted by deejboram, Wed Oct-08-14 09:13 AM
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12608202, Do you have your papers? (nazi voice) Posted by KingMonte, Wed Oct-08-14 09:31 AM
This is some shit out of the movies. Land of the free? I've been out for a bicycle ride & stopped by the police because I fit a description. Had to sit on a curb while they ran my SSN. I look like fat Urkel.
Having the resources to change laws to commit corrupt acts is happening without resistance, but now we have to carry ID? Police state.
Then what.
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12608232, he ain't gotta carry ID. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 09:40 AM
just identify himself to officers. and this guy did that. the cops asked him to write his name on a piece of paper and he asked them to provide one for him. they did and he was in the process of identifying himself when all of this drama unfolded.
the drama wasn't about the brother's non-compliance it was about the officer's being mad that the brother had copped an attitude. they wanted to teach him a lesson - that's all this was about. and it's disgusting.
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12608295, I'm with you, but unfortunately, they got us there too Posted by KingMonte, Wed Oct-08-14 09:58 AM
At least in some states: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
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12608367, no. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 10:21 AM
the statutes don't require ppl to carry identification but to identify themselves during certain encounters w/police.
providing one's real name and DOB is fine.
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12608125, they traumatized that lil' girl. shit aint right. Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Oct-08-14 09:03 AM
this fucked my morning up.
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12608127, I thought it was a boy, but he or she will remember it the rest of their lives Posted by Binladen, Wed Oct-08-14 09:04 AM
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12608190, yeah there's a longer version where u see her dress @ 4:35 (link) Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Oct-08-14 09:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InyCNDZJOGA#t=275
sad sad sad keep seeing my daughters man
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12608299, #31 Posted by PIMPINCHICAGO, Wed Oct-08-14 09:59 AM
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12608490, boy and a girl in the backseat. boy was recording Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 10:49 AM
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12608146, this bullshit right here.... Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 09:11 AM
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12608214, Black CNN Anchor goes off on old white guy claiming race wasnt factor Posted by BlaizeBlack26, Wed Oct-08-14 09:34 AM
CNN's Sony Hostin and Paul Callan debate police racism and abuse of power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV8g-Rj2sa8
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12608258, ugh. that righteous indignation on the male anchor's part is disgusting. Posted by woe.is.me., Wed Oct-08-14 09:48 AM
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12608373, I wanted to punch the white guy in the face Posted by afrogirl_lost, Wed Oct-08-14 10:23 AM
How are you gonna tell her what's racist? Ughh.
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12608233, Am I the only one thinking that he should have just complied? Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 09:40 AM
Just roll down the window and then get out the car when asked.
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12608238, and then hop on one leg and spread your buttcheeks. Posted by Deadzombie, Wed Oct-08-14 09:43 AM
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12608242, let's address this. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 09:44 AM
yes, the brother definitely could've complied. should he have? sure.
that does NOT excuse what the officers did.
the officers were the professionals in this situation. they were trained to handle this situation and had several options. they chose the wrong option. and b/c they're held to a higher standard, they're wrong act trumps the brother's wrong act. and that should be the focus here.
the lesson about obeying cops - teach that to your kids based on this. good idea. but it's not something that needs to be a broader conversation based on this. we don't need to teach our young Black men that they need to comply w/cops based on this. i mean, we as parents of kids do need to warn our kids. but the public conversation needs to focus on the cops and their wrong. b/c their wrong trumps the brother's wrong.
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12608298, Well... Let me take the other side for a sec. Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 09:59 AM
>yes, the brother definitely could've complied. should he >have? sure. > >that does NOT excuse what the officers did. >
But that's like a chicken and egg argument.
>the officers were the professionals in this situation. they >were trained to handle this situation and had several options. > they chose the wrong option. and b/c they're held to a >higher standard, they're wrong act trumps the brother's wrong >act. and that should be the focus here. >
If you want to lay the blame on the officers that's a slippery precedent going forward. Right?
How many times does the officer have to tell someone to get out of a 3,000 pound potential weapon before something happens.
>the lesson about obeying cops - teach that to your kids based >on this. good idea. but it's not something that needs to be >a broader conversation based on this. we don't need to teach >our young Black men that they need to comply w/cops based on >this. i mean, we as parents of kids do need to warn our kids. > but the public conversation needs to focus on the cops and >their wrong. b/c their wrong trumps the brother's wrong. >
I have taught my Black Son how to comply with the police as a means of survival. I have taught him that he might be right but don't fight or talk back, because what ever was done wrong can sorted out later with a lawyer, but I need him to stay alive until we can get things in order.
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12608307, they laid spike strips in front of the vehicle. Posted by PIMPINCHICAGO, Wed Oct-08-14 10:01 AM
If she didn't get a ticket for seatbelt violation then there isn't cause for fucking with dude.
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12608363, no. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 10:20 AM
>If you want to lay the blame on the officers that's a slippery >precedent going forward. Right?
i don't know what you mean.
>How many times does the officer have to tell someone to get >out of a 3,000 pound potential weapon before something >happens.
why was the officer ordering him out of the car in the first place? he had no real need for that. the brother had been observed riding as a passenger in car w/o a seat belt. that's a traffic violation - not even a criminal offense. the officer approached the car and didn't develop any probable cause that another crime had occurred. the officer wanted to run the brother's name through a database to look for warrants. he needed the brother's name and date of birth for the warrant check. so he asked the brother for identification. brother didn't have any. so the cop asked for the brother's name. he asked the brother to write it down and hand it to him.
none of that necessitated the brother getting out of the car. the cop wanted the brother out of the car b/c the brother gave him attitude. the cop wanted to show the brother who the boss was. that's what went down.
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12608391, Ok.. What would you have done if asked to exit the vehicle? Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:28 AM
>>If you want to lay the blame on the officers that's a >slippery >>precedent going forward. Right? > >i don't know what you mean. > >>How many times does the officer have to tell someone to get >>out of a 3,000 pound potential weapon before something >>happens. > >why was the officer ordering him out of the car in the first >place? he had no real need for that. the brother had been >observed riding as a passenger in car w/o a seat belt. that's >a traffic violation - not even a criminal offense. the >officer approached the car and didn't develop any probable >cause that another crime had occurred. the officer wanted to >run the brother's name through a database to look for >warrants. he needed the brother's name and date of birth for >the warrant check. so he asked the brother for >identification. brother didn't have any. so the cop asked >for the brother's name. he asked the brother to write it down >and hand it to him. > >none of that necessitated the brother getting out of the car. >the cop wanted the brother out of the car b/c the brother gave >him attitude. the cop wanted to show the brother who the boss >was. that's what went down. >
And lets' talk survival here. The brother should have just gotten his big head out the car. You, he, and I know that the cops were being jerks or at least we may feel that way. But GOT DANG IT, we have to be smart about the battle. Dude could have gotten out, talked to the cops and gotten back in the car and made a complaint on the next day. But NAAAAAW that due played the fool and got tased by a jerk with a gun.
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12608406, k. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 10:31 AM
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12608416, Really. you gonna cop an attitude over a conversation. Boy bye! Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:33 AM
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12608419, i'm not interested in discussing the matter w/you any further. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 10:34 AM
our perspectives are too at odds - we won't change each other's minds. and i expect any further discussion of this matter w/you will be tedious. so i choose not to continue.
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12608434, What would you have done? Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:37 AM
I'll tell you. You would have not talked crazy to the cops and if they asked you to exit the vehicle you would have gotten you butt out the car.
Why?
Because you are not a stupid idiot trying to prove a point or your manhood in front of some kids and a woman.
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12608371, there IS no level of compliance if the cops feel like messing with Posted by poetx, Wed Oct-08-14 10:22 AM
you.
the brother in south carolina was hella respectful, polite and compliant. in fact, he was too compliant. he responded, apparently, too swiftly to the officer's request for identification, and the cop snapped and fired 6 shots at him. dude is apologetic and incredulous yet still mad polite, bleeding, on the ground, and the cop thinks of nothing better to do than cuff him.
cops treat these tasers like cattle prods. oh, you upppity? zzzzzzAAPP!!!
shit ain't funny.
the backdrop to this is that they had already went to 100 after dude reached into his bag (pulled guns on him).
now, objectively, *maybe* its in the cop's self-interest to draw their weapon on some just in case shit (despite the fact that dude was complying with the officers at that point and there were kids in the car... ok, he's going into a bag). once dude came out with paper, as stated, the officer should have de-escalated and said, 'we intend no harm, but you can't take too many chances out here' or something like that.
the brother in the passenger seat is now shook because, from HIS perspective, he is being fully compliant and rewarded with it by having cops aiming guns at him. in light of all the national shit, of COURSE he is going to be leery about getting out of the car. it's their word against his. he is asking for a white shirt (i'm assuming a commanding officer) to help diffuse what he sees as an escalating situation.
and the cops get pissy and hostile.
mind you, all of this allegedly over seatbelts.
at the high school my daughter graduated from, in nc, the cops there would tase kids (usually black males. occasionally black females, and maybe once in a blue moon a white male) for stupid shit, like throwing a balled up piece of paper at lunch time.
they think this shit is normal. it is not.
the issue is not about compliance. it's about being black. how many black men have complied (reaching for wallet, reaching for phone), and been shot dead by cops because when they see us they see something else?
interactions with cops are a potentially fatal catch-22 for black people, regardless of compliance.
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12608408, Whoa. This is just me taking the other side for the convo, but Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:31 AM
We didn't see the whole thing. We have not seen the encounter form the beginning.
And what would you have done?
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12608263, this is about cops bringing shit down a notch - not compliance Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Oct-08-14 09:50 AM
the REAL problem is that cops who have historically ruled w/ impunity are now encountering niggers w/ the gall to exercise their rights --
and its PISSING them the F&CK off - to the point where they are making horrendously irrational decisions.
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12608401, What would you have done? Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:30 AM
> >the REAL problem is that cops who have historically ruled w/ >impunity are now encountering niggers w/ the gall to exercise >their rights -- >
The Police have the right to ask you to exit the vehicle. Dummy should have just gotten out.
>and its PISSING them the F&CK off - to the point where they >are making horrendously irrational decisions. >
Yes to al of this. But YOU and We have to be smatter then the fool with the Gun, the badge and the system that will protect them.
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12608505, case, if someone tells you to convert to islam at gunpoint -- Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Oct-08-14 10:53 AM
you *should* convert to islam, if only to preserve your life
will you convert? •TOTALLY• up to you, dude.
but -- and i'm asking this, not stating -- which is the more fruitful discussion?
•WHAT• to do when a gun is pointed in your face?
•HOW• do we prevent individuals from forcing ppl to convert to islam @ gunpoint?
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12608752, This. Are you seriously asking this question? Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 12:34 PM
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12608785, get ur troll on, man. do ur thang, playboy. Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Oct-08-14 12:56 PM
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12608852, im curious. would you 'convert' at gunpoint? Posted by Deadzombie, Wed Oct-08-14 01:37 PM
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12608409, he started to comply Posted by luminous, Wed Oct-08-14 10:32 AM
the cops asked for ID. He said he didn't have any but had a traffic ticket with his name on it. He went to get the ticket and they pulled out guns on him, which spooked him.
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12608427, Have you ever been pulled over by the police and gave attitude? Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:35 AM
And have you ever not seen the police act a fool on a Black person who was acting a fool too?
I haven't and that's why I know better. And that's what lawyers are for.
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12608464, i have never been pulled over by a cop... Posted by luminous, Wed Oct-08-14 10:42 AM
fingers crossed...
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12608469, Well if you do get pulled over, don't take this OKP liberal advice Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:44 AM
And start taking about your rights and arguing with the police. Just comply ASAP. Take your ticket and get a lawyer if you feel like things are not right. You will not win in these streets..
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12608495, LOL! I'd probably act like that black actress in LA Posted by luminous, Wed Oct-08-14 10:51 AM
with her white boyfriend... i'll call my dad and have him speak to the cops. LOL!
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12608499, You going to jail...LOL Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:51 AM
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12608510, she didn't go to jail Posted by luminous, Wed Oct-08-14 10:54 AM
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12608517, Girl, you better just smile and don't talk...lol Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:56 AM
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12608538, i don't smile and if they ask a question i have to talk... Posted by luminous, Wed Oct-08-14 11:03 AM
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12608558, OK. Try ya luck... Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 11:11 AM
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12608559, thanks! good advice Posted by luminous, Wed Oct-08-14 11:12 AM
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12608848, RE: Am I the only one thinking that he should have just complied? Posted by CRATEWORM, Wed Oct-08-14 01:34 PM
Right...!
Why is a grown ass dude rollin around with NO ID... with his kids in the car?
Why not just get out of the car when asked... especially with his kids in the car?
Not that the cops did a great job and made good decisions here, but we gotta protect OURSELVES from that as black men... mostly by avoiding being confrontational.
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12608890, he explained why he didn't get out of the car. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 01:58 PM
he feared for his safety (and that of his kids) b/c the cops had drawn guns on him when he complied w/their request to see his ID. i think he reasonably feared that once out of the car the officers might act violently. so he asked that their superior respond to the scene before he got out.
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12609107, RE: he explained why he didn't get out of the car. Posted by CRATEWORM, Wed Oct-08-14 03:28 PM
>he feared for his safety (and that of his kids) b/c the cops >had drawn guns on him when he complied w/their request to see >his ID. i think he reasonably feared that once out of the car >the officers might act violently. so he asked that their >superior respond to the scene before he got out.
This is where the cops messed up. There is a way to talk to people to get them to comply. However, I don't think my guy would have gotten out regardless.
All that arguing just got his girl car window broken and him buzzed up.... PLUS he went to jail. That "fear for safety" shiz ain't gonna hold up in court.
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12609143, he got what he deserved for talkin back to good white folk! Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 03:49 PM
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12608236, He complied...he didn't have a license because if a traffic ticket Posted by PIMPINCHICAGO, Wed Oct-08-14 09:42 AM
He told the officers he had a ticket and when he retrieved it from the backpack or backseat they pulled guns, they refused to accept his ticket.
They were completely bogus and that cop already cost Hammond loot in other cases...
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12608260, Where do they confiscate a license because of a traffic ticket Posted by deejboram, Wed Oct-08-14 09:49 AM
>He told the officers he had a ticket and when he retrieved it >from the backpack or backseat they pulled guns, they refused >to accept his ticket. > > >They were completely bogus and that cop already cost Hammond >loot in other cases... > > > > > >
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12608275, Chicago for one... Posted by PIMPINCHICAGO, Wed Oct-08-14 09:52 AM
You get it back after traffic court...
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12608415, First i ever heard of that. And i got my license suspended in diff states Posted by deejboram, Wed Oct-08-14 10:32 AM
I always get to keep the physical to use as an ID. Dont get caught driving on suspended Ls or you go straight to jail. But that suspended license is still valid for ID purposes like check cashing and buying beer and whatnot.
Chicago is ass backwards for this
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12608424, it's not a law that i know of that citizens have to carry id on them, tho Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 10:34 AM
this turned into a dick measuring contest
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12608271, This was the report I saw the other day on it. Posted by PIMPINCHICAGO, Wed Oct-08-14 09:51 AM
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/clip/10662235/hammond-family-claims-police-overstepped-their-authority-in-traffic-stop
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12608328, I watched it last night... Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Oct-08-14 10:07 AM
shit ain't right.
I'm so glad we have these cell phone videos to show how cops treat us when we know the law.
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12608388, i spend a LOT of time in hammond. let me tell u about hammond cops Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 10:27 AM
they are FOREVER stopping people. as a matter of fact, the state of Indiana gave them a grant for more equipment for writing so many tickets
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/hammond/state-rewards-hammond-lake-station-for-best-traffic-enforcement/article_ec0cd1d9-f7cb-585d-9bfd-db18a8183c87.html
they got nice shiny new SUV's and, with the grant, got brand new radar guns and computers
AND...they have a corrupt judge...who, as of today, still sits on the bench .
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/hammond/hammond-judge-admits-fault-accepts-suspension/article_c322e3a8-567b-5cff-a217-f8480033acb1.html
their main street,(Calumet Avenue) that connects two interstates has a 20-25 mile per hour speed limit. the entire city is a money trap. and they make lots of bogus stops for more and more money, and even the judge admitted to being in on it...but he still serves. this will be the judge that hears this man's "resisting" case.
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12608400, Damn nm Posted by afrogirl_lost, Wed Oct-08-14 10:30 AM
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12608420, smh Posted by luminous, Wed Oct-08-14 10:34 AM
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12608430, yep, they had to get a gary, indiana judge to reside while he was suspended Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 10:36 AM
for 60 days
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12608879, RE: 20-25 mile per hour speed limit Posted by bentagain, Wed Oct-08-14 01:51 PM
that should be illegal
I moved away from my hometown over 10 years ago
and on a recent trip home the idea occurred to me
that the PD can pull you over anytime they feel like it
you have to REALLY TRY to drive 20-25 MPH
I could see it for school zones, etc...
but for an entire city grid
it's more like entrapment.
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12608962, they have a few schools a block over , BUT the sped limit isn't Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 02:24 PM
during school hours or when children are present. u know how some cities have a speed limit m-f from like 7 am to 5pm. their shit is like that 24-7. it was one am when i got pulled over. said i was doing 40 in a 25. i decided to stay off that street altogether. i avoided it for like a year.
then i got waze and a new radar detector and whenever i drive anywhere near that street, i pick up the radar and see the cops hiding
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12608412, BUT.....i believe cops can legally make passengers exit a vehicle Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 10:32 AM
during a legal stop. the guy asked for a Sargent, but a Lieutenant DID show up. unfortunately, that LT was pissed off too. (Look at the bars on my shoulder, dumbass.)
people need to read to fully know their rights and then "If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12608429, that ain't the issue. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 10:36 AM
the cops didn't have to order this guy out of the car. in this situation even if the law allows the cops to order him out of the car the law doesn't require it. the cops didn't have to order him out.
so why did they?
^ and the answer to that question gets at the real issues in this case. the real stuff that drove the cops' bad conduct here.
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12608450, but it's a fact tho. i'm not arguing or trying to argue Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 10:40 AM
especially with you lol
they wanted him out of the car as a flex that's why. like i said here elsewhere. it was a dick measuring contest, they wanted him out, he didn't want to get out. and how dare this guy disobey us? we have the authority.
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12608453, the reason i stated this was because a LOT of people don't know this Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 10:40 AM
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12608466, Bro. Stop making sense. You and I are talking about Survival. Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 10:42 AM
And these folks want to argue legalities and technicalities in the middle of a traffic stop of a Black man by Crazy Corrupt White Officers.
Who's going to win that encounter?
Duh The 5-O!
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12608534, you're really just stating the obvious - Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Oct-08-14 11:01 AM
but how do things change when ppl ALWAYS comply w/ corruption?
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12608560, You change the System By Changing the LAWS and Elected Officials. Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 11:12 AM
> >but how do things change when ppl ALWAYS comply w/ >corruption?
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12608689, but if everyone is ALWAYS complying to irrational police tactics -- Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Oct-08-14 11:58 AM
how do we notify our elected officials of the issues needing their attention?
nah bro, doesn't add up
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12608763, Civil and reasonable protest. Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 12:40 PM
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12608781, you know those mlk + jesus posters can see you jacking off, right? Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Oct-08-14 12:54 PM
nvm fuckit man
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12608993, i didn't read the replies, but how did the Lord get brought into this? Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 02:38 PM
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12609152, Bro, that what they all do when they get stuck with Bent Logic. Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 03:54 PM
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12608537, i'm saying *I* would have gotten out, but i can see why dude Posted by poetx, Wed Oct-08-14 11:03 AM
stayed in.
i'm a pragmatist. i calculate risk/reward all the time.
but one thing you are not taking into account is dude's stated reasons for not getting out...
he was afraid because they pulled guns on him. if his mental calculus is that 'i'm safer inside than outside...' , i don't necessarily see it as that but i can see how he'd come to that conclusion.
we're all making assumptions that if he continued to comply that the cops wouldn't have found something else to be pissed or alarmed about.
if he got out too fast, they could have shot him. i've been stopped, made to get on the ground, face down w/ guns drawn on me a few times. while walking. i've never been made to get out of a car.
i don't know the protocol for that. but really, the protocol is whatever they decide that it is on the spot.
if dude was NOT legit scared of the cops and was on some 'i know my rights' ish, like the brother in minnesota who got tased and arrested while waiting for his kids, this would be a case of 'you knew something like this would happen' as many of y'all are trying to make it. black folks don't have rights when it comes to cops, and it boils down to whether you are willing to get fucked up or killed to prove a point that we all already know.
they woulda tased rosa parks.
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12608552, I don't think the guy was staying in the car to posture. Posted by veritas, Wed Oct-08-14 11:08 AM
That's kind of been said in here, that he was staying inside to be a "tough guy."
I didn't see that all.
I saw a family that was legitimately afraid and trying to maintain their safety.
You don't call dispatch while pulled over on a traffic stop because you're trying to act tough, I don't think.
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12608583, yup. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 11:17 AM
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12608588, RE: i'm saying *I* would have gotten out, but i can see why dude Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 11:19 AM
>stayed in. > >i'm a pragmatist. i calculate risk/reward all the time. >
Because you are smart.
>but one thing you are not taking into account is dude's stated >reasons for not getting out... > >he was afraid because they pulled guns on him. if his mental >calculus is that 'i'm safer inside than outside...' , i don't >necessarily see it as that but i can see how he'd come to that >conclusion. >
Yes I am. I've been in that situation. I also know that glass ain't gonna stop a bullet if they wanted to shoot.
>we're all making assumptions that if he continued to comply >that the cops wouldn't have found something else to be pissed >or alarmed about. >
Nah, I don't buy that. They may have asked a few questions. But We also didn't see the beginning of the encounter.
>if he got out too fast, they could have shot him. i've been >stopped, made to get on the ground, face down w/ guns drawn on >me a few times. while walking. i've never been made to get out >of a car. >
This is why you get out with your hands in plain sight. And I've been taking to jail for acting like i can argue with the police at a traffic stop. It's called Disorderly Conduct.
>i don't know the protocol for that. but really, the protocol >is whatever they decide that it is on the spot. >
And this is why you an I didn't get beat the hell up, because we know better.
>if dude was NOT legit scared of the cops and was on some 'i >know my rights' ish, like the brother in minnesota who got >tased and arrested while waiting for his kids, this would be a >case of 'you knew something like this would happen' as many of >y'all are trying to make it. black folks don't have rights >when it comes to cops, and it boils down to whether you are >willing to get fucked up or killed to prove a point that we >all already know. > >they woulda tased rosa parks. > >
You can't compare the civil rights movement to this mess. COME'ON MAYNE!
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12608845, Can't reform em. (c) MF Doom n/m Posted by 13Rose, Wed Oct-08-14 01:33 PM
SMH
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12608888, @SoWhat, is stepping out of the vehicle akin to self incrimination Posted by bentagain, Wed Oct-08-14 01:56 PM
that is
they had him on a seat belt violation
could he justify his refusal to comply with subsequent demands
as he didn't want to incriminate himself further
they got the seatbelt violation, and could have just wrote the ticket
but I'm missing how a traffic stop turns into probable cause, etc...
it's not against the law to not have ID
the man obviously felt threatened, and said as much in the video
IMO, he didn't want to get out of the car, same as the Sandusky video, because it's obvious the police are looking for more charges
but I don't see how it's legal to pull somebody over for a seatbelt violation
and that giving the police the right to investigate you with a fine toothed comb
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12608905, no. Posted by SoWhat, Wed Oct-08-14 02:05 PM
>that is > >they had him on a seat belt violation > >could he justify his refusal to comply with subsequent >demands > >as he didn't want to incriminate himself further
no. not at all.
>they got the seatbelt violation, and could have just wrote the >ticket > >but I'm missing how a traffic stop turns into probable cause, >etc...
the cops could order him out of the car. they're allowed to do so during a traffic stop.
but they didn't have to.
i don't expect these officers will be criminally charged as they didn't commit any crime here. but i do see the brother's excessive force claim in federal civil court.
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12610523, IANAL but... Posted by deejboram, Thu Oct-09-14 06:33 PM
>but I don't see how it's legal to pull somebody over for a >seatbelt violation > >and that giving the police the right to investigate you with a >fine toothed comb
cops pull you over for speeding 72 in a 65. as they are asking you for your Ls and Is they notice you fidgety and sweating but it's 65 degrees outside
nigga why you shaking and sweating when it aint hot nor cold?
probable cause. i'm looking through your shit
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12608981, i wanna go somewhere where i can repeatedly get tazed Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 02:31 PM
so i can build up a resistance to that shit. i wonder how that shit feels
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12609160, Naw playa. You don't want that. Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 03:57 PM
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12608988, i will say this tho...know your rights, know what u can refuse and what Posted by lazyboi, Wed Oct-08-14 02:36 PM
the officer can legally do and what the officer isn't sposed to do. i see so many of these where people are just mistaken about what can and can't happen. like when he's telling the cop, since i'm not the operator of the vehicle, you can't break the window. that's just wrong. or when a cop was arresting a 15 year old, and someone with a camera phone said "you can't arrest her until her parent's get here" and then started tryna intervene
loud and wrong. it's best to just remain silent if you are gonna refuse to comply. remain silent or talk calmly. barking back at a cop ain't gon help a thing.
i know the cops are sposed to be trained and the civilians aren't, but you have your life to think about. now she gotta pay to get her window fixed.
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12609163, Yeah. People and their Street Lawyer knowledge...LOL. Posted by Case_One, Wed Oct-08-14 03:59 PM
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12610511, From the ACLU Posted by rawsouthpaw, Thu Oct-09-14 06:13 PM
https://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform-immigrants-rights-racial-justice/know-your-rights-what-do-if-you#3
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12610500, WANTED Posted by Geah, Thu Oct-09-14 05:53 PM
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/lake/30353022-418/laporte-issues-warrant-for-hammond-man-in-controversial-video.html#.VDcRpjK9LCR
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12610509, Good thing you're sitting by the door! Posted by SoWhat, Thu Oct-09-14 06:08 PM
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12610520, LoL niiiiiice play. nice nice play. Posted by deejboram, Thu Oct-09-14 06:31 PM
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12756209, update. she and he are suing the city. but it's paused right now until Posted by lazyboi, Thu Mar-19-15 09:39 AM
his criminal cases are resolved
"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
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12756352, It's a distraction to say he should have gotten out his car. Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Mar-19-15 11:23 AM
We can argue that endlessly but it is irrelevant to the issue of whether the cops should have escalated and smashed the window without warning.
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