Most people here think there is a crisis. This is group you would expect to be aligned with what you just said. But this group is not. It seems Joe Biden's position is more in touch with this group than yours.

Again, I think the group that doesn't believe there is a problem will be the group left out the discussion on how to fix it. When the left put there head in the sand, the right gets to frame and control the issue.

I just really don't understand the "there is no crisis people".

Actually, I do. I think I might have thought about it differently if I thought about it much at all until 100K came into NYC in the last year or so.

Now It's become obvious to me that the asylum system is broken. How we house and process migrants is broken. How some states bear the costs and burdens of illegal immigration more than others doesn't make sense and how not having a national/federal strategy is a major problem.

And I am a person who believes that the US can take on a LOT more LEGAL immigrants if we have a legal process for it that works and that distributes immigrants through out the country (legal immigration helps the economy, not illegal immigration). It's a big ass country and many cities and towns need more workers and residents. So I am not even a close the border type.

Also, we have tried several times for a grand compromise that address path's to citizenship and they have all failed. And those were at times when Dems had more control of Congress.

At some point you have to read the room and figure out what actually can be done.

This will be the biggest issue in November and either Dems fix it now or GOPers will fix it their way after November is how I think about it.



>the last few months have been a disaster.
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>Even if you give Democrats the benefit of the doubt that they
>*thought* this was some type of brilliant move (I don't) it is
>pretty clear they are shedding votes from their alleged big
>tent to chase the mythical moderate republican.
>
>On this instance, they abandoned their own voters to chase
>people who will never, ever vote for them,
>
>There is literally no one who is going "you know, I thought
>Joe Biden and the democrat cabal were a bunch of communist
>pedophiles, but now that he's adopted Trump's border policies
>I'm going to give this guy a shot"
>
>That person doesn't exist.
>
>The people do exist are people who showed up to vote for Joe
>Biden and he's alienating groups at an alarming rate.
>
>Honestly sometimes seems like he is trying to lose. Young
>people, anti-war people, pro-immigration people, latinos, etc.
> He's even underwater with Black voters for the first time.
>Shedding support left and right.
>
>Joe Biden is one arrogant motherfucker. He thinks because the
>other guy is Trump he doesn't have to do anything but say
>"look at Trump" and he'll win.
>
>Big '16 energy. It isn't looking good.
>
>It does explain why the Biden DOJ was in no rush to hold Trump
>accountable, though. He thought/thinks running against him
>will be a lay up.
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>On immigration this has absolutely been a disaster. Democrats
>have allowed the entire conversation to change- by engaging
>this way they have basically admitted that the border is in
>crisis (its not) and validated the fascist position.
>
>No talk of dreamers, etc. No argument that immigration helps
>the economy. Just validated the GOP argument.
>
>They can't play "gotcha" with the GOP either. These people
>can't be reasoned with. And the right believes this border
>crisis is Joe's fault and he could solve it if he wants to,
>etc.
>
>In other words, a voter that says "wow, the GOP nuked their
>own bill...I'm voting for the people I was calling communist
>pedophiles yesterday" also does not exist.
>
>Reminds me of when Obama nominated Garland rather than a Black
>woman, and everyone thought he was playing 3d chess because
>the GOP would HAVE to cave since they look like hypocrites.
>That...didn't work out.
>
>So the best case scenario is Democrats are trying to pick up
>votes that aren't there, or they think they can play "gotcha"
>to win elections...even though it has literally never
>happened.
>
>There's probably some of that. There is also a lot Joe Biden
>showing his true colors without Klein there, and we are
>witnessing in real time what a horrible candidate Joe Biden
>can be. Arrogant, dismissive, out of touch, overly donor
>friendly, stuck in the 90s, etc. No to mention he looks older
>by the day.
>
>
>Either way, November SHOULD be a fucking bloodbath in favor of
>Democrats based on how terrible the other party is. But Biden
>and dems keep finding ways to move *CLOSER* to those nutjobs.
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