... that the electorate shares your opinions.

>Even if it is a "long game" of chicken, the timing is terrible
>man.
>
>Nancy is sharing tic tacs with Mr Obstruction? Oh and leaving
>it up to the "committees"? Cmon.
>
>
>Its also funny/frustrating that the GOP does shit like what I
>said all the time and come out on top.

We've had this discussion before. The rules are different for them, because their voter base is different. The very fact that so many Democrats are suspicious of even our own leaders means the only choice is to play defense.


>In fact, the GOP stonewalling Obama is often cited whenever
>even a slight criticism of Obama is brought up. He's
>basically immune to any accountability for a lot of Democrats.
>
>
>But when someone suggests the Dems fight like the GOP, its a
>"terrible strategy" and partisan.

Yes, because conservatism (even as defined today) does not work the same way as progressivism (even as defined today). You're relying on the same kind of false equivalence that feeds right-wing rants about "reverse racism" or "reverse sexism." "It applies to that group, so why doesn't it apply to this group!?"


>A terrible strategy that consistently works for the other
>side? A terrible strategy that stopped Obama's agenda in its
>tracks?

Yup.

And for the record, Trump's agenda has been "stopped" just as effectively as Obama's was, in the sense that no laws have been passed to make any of his agenda permanent (other than the tax cut, which happened before we were had any power).

>I know- "Dems can't/shouldn't act like the GOP"
>
>That's kind of my point, though. Dem leaders and some voters
>want to keep pretending that there is some form of normalcy
>going on. There really isn't.

There is definitely normalcy going on. It's just a normalcy that isn't conducive to progressive change.

So what's your reaction to that? I assume you're not calling for an armed rebellion, an overthrow of the entire Constitutional system. But that's the only thing that would upend the basic mathematics of the Democratic leadership's strategy.

Instead you seem to be hell bent on calling them out for not doing things that would make matters even worse.


>So the Dems keep acting like everything is normal, and a lot
>of people get fucked. And they look silly.

And you're letting your emotions take over.


>And if Trump really is as awful as we all say (including Dems
>in their hearings), why this urge to work with him on "common
>ground"? How do the Dems have "common ground" with this guy?

The voters expect them to pretend there's one. And infrastructure is a leading example.


>And maybe it is a long-game of chicken where the Dems are
>going to be able to say "see, we even tried to work with him
>and the GOP voted against their own Pres" or
>whatever...fucking wait Chuck and Nancy. Wait at least a
>month or so and shine more light on the fact that individual 1
>is basically refusing to cooperate with congress, and ordering
>others not to cooperate.
>
>Shine light on Trump trying to dismantle Obamacare in the
>courts. Etc.
>
>
>And to your impeachment point, I (unsurprisingly to you, I'm
>sure) blame the Dem leaders. Either impeach or don't.
>
>Either hold Barr in contempt, or stop investigating.
>
>Either make every meeting/press even about Trump/Barr, or move
>the fuck on.
>
>
>This trying to half-way investigate Trump, but with no real
>plan to hold him accountable is muddling the message and will
>ultimately piss off everyone.
>
>So, if the Dems are going to impeach...do it.
>
>
>If not, stop the charade because all it is doing is making
>them look indecisive and like they are just holding
>hearings/investigations to ... well harass and put on a show.
>Which is exactly what they are being accused of. Make it
>count or stop.
>
>I know, impeachment takes time. Okay. Then stop giving him
>white house photo ops and cute stories about sharing tic tacs.

If it has to be "impeach now or stop," then you're making the case for doing nothing. You know as well as I do that the Democrats don't have ANY power to remove the President from office.

But what they can do is feed the narrative of a lawless administration. The public is ON OUR SIDE on that point. They are NOT on our side with regard to impeachment.

The world does not behave the way we want it to behave.