The previous post has been lost, but this is what we know so far:

- This season will revolve around witches and will feature a Romeo and Juliet love story.

- This season's themes will be witchcraft vs. voodoo, witch hunts, and witches

- The American horror story of the first season was infidelity; season two was sanity; this season it will be oppression of race, family and feminism.

- Returning players are : Jessica Lange, Frances Conroy, Tassia Farmiga, Sarah Paulson, Lily Rabe, Denis O' Hare, Alexandra Breckenridge and Evan Peters

- New players are Kathy Bates, Gabourey Sidibe, Angela Bassett, Jaime Brewer, and Emma Roberts

- It will partially take place where true life American horror has taken place (Salem?)

- The season's tone will be lighter with more humor

- Kathy Bates' character is the most evil character she's ever played.

- Jessica Lange is a crazy cat lady who will face off with Bates' character and Conroy's character

- The first three episodes of season 3, recently revealed, are titled "Bitchcraft", "Boy Parts", and "The Replacements."

- More from Ryan Murphy here: http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/ryan-murphy-on-american-horror-story-coven.html

And of course the first creepy teaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWer7A7d-NE

Premiers October 9th

And I'm glad they could get Tassia Farmiga back.

tybg

I'd smash with the quickness!

Please.

This show has plot twist after plot twist, and I know it's hard to watch on a weekly basis. With that said it is more rewarding marathoning this show.

We'll try and do episode by episode because this might be the most epic shit out this season.

We might even do a tv specific show this fall as there promises to be a ton more tv of the horror type than ever before so we'll have you covered.

His episodes are always standouts. He's also been bumped up to and Executive Producer.

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if not, GET ON IT NAUW:

Teaser 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkPwDPt4JOA

Teaser 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4gS8fLA86w


The second one makes it CLEAR this is about voodoo....

I can't WAIT!

This is about to be everything.

>This is about to be everything.


I KNOW!

I'm praying for the following showdowns:

Kathy Bates vs. Jessica Lange

Angela Bassett vs. Kathy Bates

Angela Bassett vs. Jessica Lange

Kathy Bates vs. the rest of the damn cast! LOLOLOL!

I CAN NOT WAIT!

because AHS is going to be GOING THERE...

Here are all the genre shows coming out this fall:

SLEEPY HOLLOW (FOX)
SUPERNATURAL (CW)
DRACULA (NBC)
GRIMM (NBC)
AMERICAN HORROR STORY (F/X)
THE WALKING DEAD (AMC)

I mean, AHS and TWD are pretty much neck and neck for getting coverage on the podcast period.

GRIMM would be third.

I'm checking out Sleepy Hollow because of Nicole Behaire and because this is a show from Orci and Kurtzman (Hawaii 5-0, Fringe, Alias, etc.) and they usually produce some solid hits.

Dracula because NBC is going HOARD with this and I think paired with Grimm, this may very well become part of the solution NBC needs *TO START WINNING*.

Seriously.

Supernatural: smh, they're running on weak fumes and even if they cast Tehmoh Penikett in a recurring role, I know I personally won't be pressed for this.

but AHS? where they are going and who's on the cast? HELLS YES!

either way...IDK about TWD. I have to see. Grimm...I'm so behind on.

But I love this fall line up since October is right around the corner. LOL. its like they planned it that way.

instead of through recaps
i'm not afraid of voodoo
crazy ppl and gimp suits and frankenbabies? that's another story.

i love this show.
i think i need to
revisit the first 2

http://collider.com/american-horror-story-coven-kathy-bates-angela-bassett-interview/

American Horror Story: Coven is the upcoming third season of the popular and critically acclaimed FX horror anthology series, starring Jessica Lange. Set in both modern day and the 1830s, this new season centers on a coven of witches that relocated from Salem, Massachusetts to New Orleans, Louisiana before the Salem Witch Trials. Kathy Bates will be portraying infamous serial killer Madame LaLaurie, while Angela Bassett is voodoo practitioner Marie Laveau.

During the FX portion of the TCA Press Tour, co-stars Kathy Bates and Angela Bassett talked about how much Jessica Lange influenced their decision to join the show, who the women are that they’re portraying, what made them want to do television, and what it’s like to work with such talented people. Check out what they had to say after the jump.

Question: How much was Jessica Lange’s run with this series and the variety she’s been able to have with it an influence for you to come on board now?

ANGELA BASSETT: It was a tremendous influence for me. I’m a big fan of her work. She’s incredible. Watching the first two seasons, the work of all the actors, in addition to Jessica, was just an actor’s dream.

KATHY BATES: Same here. And seeing Sarah Paulson’s work, especially last season, you just get like a little kid. You just want to play, too.

What can you say about your character, this season?

BASSETT: Well, I play Marie Laveau. It’s been interesting, being in New Orleans, because there’s such a regard and respect for who she was. She lived to about 80 years old, and she was a very influential person in the city. My character is based loosely on her.

BATES: My Southern accent has come roaring back. Now that that cat is out of the bag, one of the things I enjoyed reading about Madame LaLaurie is that my great-great-grandfather came from Dublin to New Orleans in the 1830s, and he became personal physician to Andrew Jackson. And I read in the book on LaLaurie that his plantation was next door to theirs. So, I was very curious to know whether my grandfather ever met her because I think he would have been there just before she left. I thought that was interesting.

Angela, did you do research into Marie Laveau? How close is this incarnation to the real woman?

BASSETT: I read a fictional novel by Tallant, called The Voodoo Queen. I’ve read two books about her, one that’s more historical and one that’s her life, but put into novel form. It’s just very interesting. We’ve been filming in the French Quarter. But, I don’t know exactly where it’s going, so I’m remaining open and just picking up little things. Her father was French Creole, and he gave her gold earrings. Spain occupied Louisiana longer than the French did. I’m also talking to folks from there and just getting a take on how they see her or what they feel about her, to get a sense of who she was and her power in the 1800s, as this black Creole woman.

Kathy, your last series experience, with Harry’s Law, had its ups and downs. What did it take to make you want to do a series again?

BATES: I don’t want to give them any airtime. I think they treated us like shit. They kicked us to the curb. I think they disrespected us, and our seven to 11 million viewers, every week. And I think they’re getting what they deserve. Thank you. On a positive note, I went out for a drink with my friend, Jessica, after seeing the first season. And I said, “You’ve got to get me on that show.” I thought it would be maybe a couple of episodes. So, I went in and sat down with Ryan , and when he pitched this show to me, this little kid that lives inside all of us just started jumping up and down and running around. I said, “I want to do it!” It just got me so excited that it washed most of the crap away. Clearly, there’s some residue. But, it’s delightful to be among such a glorious group of actors and have such magnificent material to play. I’m going on the record to say that we’re going to knock your socks off.

Angela, what got you to return to TV again? Was it just this show, in particular?

BASSETT: This was just perfect. I just got a call to come in and meet Ryan. I watched every single episode, but to hear him talk about it, and knowing who would be joining the cast, and that it would be shot in New Orleans, which is one of my favorite cities – for the music, the food, the character and their love of death – and people from different strata live within 10 to 15 minutes of each other, it’s just very unique. There is such a history of that town, with free people of color, slaves, whites and Haitians. That I would be able to be in a city that I love, working with artists that I love, that obviously write for women, and to be able also to come home and not neglect my family for six months straight, it had everything going for it, as far as I was concerned.

How is it to be able to work with such a group of people, at this level of talent?

BATES: It really raises your game. It’s something almost unconscious that, when you get out there, you know who you are going to be with, even if you are not in the same scene with somebody, and you just want to bring your triple-A game and work at the highest level that you can do. You want to push yourself. And we have a wonderful director who is going to be down there all season, Alfonso Gomez-Rejon. He’s a magnificent director, and he’s got such an amazing eye. That’s what I loved about some of what I saw last season. It’s just something that you don’t see on television. He likes high, wide shots. He really has that artist’s eye to create a painting. I can’t wait to see it.

American Horror Story: Coven premieres on FX in October.

seriously, I do.

Can't October come, like, RIGHT NAUW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

if y'all never read up on madame lalaurie, you really really should. And Marie Leveau. GREAT setting.

I didn't love everything about last season (though I appreciate the campiness a great deal), but it was interesting and compelling enough to keep me entertained regarding a new season. Especially since everyone and their mother signs on to do these things.

Plus, last year's teasers were really great. I'd hope this year's are similar.

>I didn't love everything about last season (though I
>appreciate the campiness a great deal), but it was interesting
>and compelling enough to keep me entertained regarding a new
>season. Especially since everyone and their mother signs on to
>do these things.
>
>Plus, last year's teasers were really great. I'd hope this
>year's are similar.

the only teasers up are the ones I posted last week...

I can't wait. The fact that Murphy got Bassett, Bates, Lange, Lupone, Sidibe, in addition to everyone else who's coming back from Season 2?!

And they're shooting on location in New Orleans?

I'm more than willing hop on the camp train that is AHS and go along for the ride...

http://youtu.be/fNNcB2eG8vY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a0n6vT0zIQ

http://www.horror-asylum.com/news/article.asp?item=10547


Finally we have some more to go on for the latest season of horror offerings from FX's hit genre show 'American Horror Story: Coven'. In the past the show has entwined numerous sub-genres in each of its previous seasons and we already know, at least, the upcoming third season will revolve around New Orleans witches. Now a new official synopsis for the season has arrived spilling some more welcome deets about the mysterious third entry. Jessica Lange, Kathy Bates, Sarah Paulson, Angela Bassett, Alexandra Breckenridge, Evan Peters ('Kick-Ass'), Frances Conroy, Taissa Farmiga (below), Denis O'Hare, Lily Rabe, Gabourey Sidibe, Jamie Brewer, Emma Roberts ('Scream 4') and Patti Lupone all star in the new season. Check out the full plot breakdown below.

"'Coven' tells the secret history of witches and witchcraft in America. Over 300 years have passed since the turbulent days of the Salem witch trials and those who managed to escape are now facing extinction. Mysterious attacks have been escalating against their kind and young girls are being sent away to a special school in New Orleans to learn how to protect themselves. Wrapped up in the turmoil is new arrival, Zoe (Farmiga), who is harboring a terrifying secret of her own. Alarmed by the recent aggression, Fiona (Lange), the long-absent Supreme, sweeps back into town, determined to protect the Coven and hell-bent on decimating anyone who gets in her way."

'American Horror Story: Coven' premieres on FX on 9 October.

...ala Bloody Face from Season 2 and Rubber Man from Season 1. The monster will be female this year.

LMAO @ Willmore's funny commentary on the poster at Indiewire: http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/the-poster-for-american-horror-story-coven-is-creepy-sexual-and-vaguely-biblical

i just found out about angela

i might have to not be a chicken for her
i'm such a chicken though
but i love my sleep and hate nightmares
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Worse than her character in Misery? I think shes lying..lol

1. This is Ryan Murphy, so anything's possible

and

2. Her character is based on serial killer

I thinks it's safe to say, that that might be true.

http://youtu.be/Q9NegKAqmGs

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/american-horror-story-taps-danny-624081

FX's American Horror Story continues to add star power to Coven.

Showrunner Ryan Murphy took to his Twitter page Sunday to announce that Magic City alum Danny Huston has joined the ranks of the third season of the anthology series.

Coven stars Jessica Lange as a witch named Fiona; Kathy Bates plays historical personage Madame LaLurie, a Louisiana-born socialite and serial killer who kept slaves bound in her home; and Angela Bassett portrays voodoo expert/cult leader Marie Laveau. Coven tells the secret history of witches and witchcraft in America. More than 300 years have passed since the turbulent days of the Salem witch trials, and those who managed to escape are now facing extinction. Mysterious attacks have been escalating against their kind, and young girls are being sent away to a special school in New Orleans to learn how to protect themselves.

Wrapped up in the turmoil is new arrival, Zoe (Taissa Farmiga), who is harboring a terrifying secret of her own. Alarmed by the recent aggression, Fiona (Lange), the long-absent Supreme, sweeps back into town, determined to protect the Coven and hell-bent on decimating anyone who gets in her way.

AHS co-creator Murphy noted that Huston will play the boyfriend to Lange's Fiona and described him as both "sexy" and "dangerous."

For Huston, the AHS role comes a month after Starz canceled period drama Magic City after two low-rated seasons. Repped by ICM Partners, Huston's credits also include X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Children of Men and 21 Grams.

Huston joins a female-heavy cast that also includes Sarah Paulson, Denis O'Hare, Evan Peters, Lily Rabe, Patti LuPone, Emma Roberts and Gabourey Sidibe. Coven premieres Oct. 9 on FX.

http://youtu.be/iluXlTLQdLM

This latest trailer is fantastic.

Lol, that really gave me everything I needed and more.

Angela Basset is giving face! Can't wait

and I was in love with it. I kept staring at it.

Nm

http://collider.com/american-horror-story-coven-images-synopsis/#more-282278

The third season of the anthology series American Horror Story, subtitled Coven, is slated to premiere on FX next month, and now the first images and some revealing plot and character details have landed online. American Horror Story: Coven puts the focus on witches and witchcraft and takes place mainly in New Orleans. We’ve known for some time that Kathy Bates will be playing historical figure Madame Delphine LaLaurie, who was infamous for the brutal torture of her slaves, and we get a good look at her in these first look images along with a peek at Angela Bassett’s voodoo witch character.

Hit the jump to check out the images and for much more information on what the plot for AHS: Coven entails. The series premieres on FX October 9th at 10pm.

Jessica Lange returns for her third go-around with the AHS crew, and this time EW reports that in the contemporary-set portion of the show she plays a woman named Fiona, who is described as the Wicked Witch of the West. She is labeled “supreme” for her magical abilities and is witch royalty, descended from Salem casters. When a young Salem witch near New Orleans is murdered, Fiona is inspired to leave L.A. and return home. Sarah Paulson plays Fiona’s estranged daughter Cordelia, and she acts as headmistress of the witch school Miss Robichaux’s Academy for Exceptional Young Ladies.

The world of Coven is inhabited by not one but two witch clans, and they are both mortal adversaries: Fiona’s Salem witches and the voodoo witches. When the school is threatened by the voodoo clan, Fiona and Cordelia must figure out the best course of action, be it fighting or attempting peace. Emma Roberts, Gabourey Sidibe, Taissa Farmiga, and Jamie Brewer all play young students at the school, and Coven will involve a number of different time periods, including the 1970s when the Academy’s enrollment was booming and the 1830s, which is where Bates’ LaLaurie and Bassett’s Marie Laveau come into play.

Head over to EW for more on American Horror Story: Coven, and check out the images below.

these trailer are incredible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L76klk2sWmQ

damn, can't October 10th come like NAUW?!?!?!?!?!?! LOLOL

which has drawn my attention to make me want to watch this and see wtf this is about and how they're treating someone else's religion/culture.

I might have to figure out a way to see it while I'm there...and/or hopefully it will be on itunes and I can buy it for my ride home. That's how PRESSED i am .

>I might have to figure out a way to see it while I'm
>there...and/or hopefully it will be on itunes and I can buy it
>for my ride home. That's how PRESSED i am .


lol you better figure it out!

but chile though?!

awesome!

have fun! :)

http://collider.com/american-horror-story-coven-posters/

NNNNNIIIIIIIIGGGGGGAAAAAA!!!!!

Ryan Murphy is that dude. I really hope he delivers on this season.

Initiation (Extended): http://youtu.be/hQtsmGg6q7Y
Burn (actual clips from the season): http://youtu.be/WAMVB0OaVDw
WitchWalk: http://youtu.be/PEpkIetSMVQ

Voodoo: http://youtu.be/KUwTNxaqS6s
Laveau: http://youtu.be/48WhSiOMrvQ

man can October 10th come NOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmRXT7w2C1s

These credits get creepier and scarier ever year.

the credits are creepy.

I assume Angela, Jaime Brewer and Gaborey will pop up in the credits in the episodes they're in...

but I thought they were series regulars this season?

odd.

>the credits are creepy.
>
>I assume Angela, Jaime Brewer and Gaborey will pop up in the
>credits in the episodes they're in...
>
>but I thought they were series regulars this season?
>
>odd.

Especially since Angela has been prominent in the promotions.

>>the credits are creepy.
>>
>>I assume Angela, Jaime Brewer and Gaborey will pop up in the
>>credits in the episodes they're in...
>>
>>but I thought they were series regulars this season?
>>
>>odd.
>
>Especially since Angela has been prominent in the promotions.


Right. I don't know either. That's odd as hell.

anyone have an explanation before my
C.O.N. spiracy detector goes off?
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>anyone have an explanation before my
>C.O.N. spiracy detector goes off?


Right?! AKA before we go in and SNATCH a white bald headed TV showrunning man's head and read him for FILTH?

yea let us know what's going on SOON....

OK?! lolol

they only list the MAIN cast in the opening sequence and the reoccurring cast is listed at the end.

I don't think it's odd at all.

I peeped that earlier, and I was hesitant to post it cause I thought it might be fake or something...but it looks real.

Don't know why you'd think that'd be fake. NO ONE can fake something that good. I mean look at the production value.

In all honesty tho, I didn't click the link above...I saw it late last night on Facebook and it was from another account.

Lol, t-2 weeks (and a few days).

Voodoo Queen: http://youtu.be/cYJiAo73N7Y
Study Hall: http://youtu.be/Zx_j-F-kJwA
Hair Don't: http://youtu.be/arsZGkb2heg

http://youtu.be/VQ5uE44A3xk

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

If not, SLITHER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NujUtwTpXc0&list=TLwZW26mJIjh3disuB1z1DwFUcN_Wv5GK0

YES! YES GOD!!!!!

that they've made SO many teasers that it's hard to keep track of all of them. I wonder how many more are gonna come out in the next week? T-1 week!!!!!

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http://youtu.be/NGCaivJ4Us4

As promised, this worked for the House of Cards post so let's try it here

Mainly because it wasn't so jumbled and bugged out as the first two.

With that said I thought this season was supposed to be "light".

I mean holy shit at the rape!!! And then the bus flip!

I why did Fiona dig that bitch up?!

I can't wait to see how this shit plays out. I'm really into the characters and it has been only one episode.

>I why did Fiona dig that bitch up?!

she wants the secret to her immortality.

i'm not exactly sure but i'm guessing nan could hear the lady of the house bc she was still alive. if she was dead she wouldn't have been able to hear her.

I gotta watch it again

when those dudes took off running...i'm like she gonna kill yall
literally

yall in so much trouble you assholes

aaaaaaaaannnd there it is



and then he lived
and then the hospital scene!!!!!!



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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>and then the hospital scene!!!!!!

00

That shit was like, ....

On SO MANY different levels I just DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON.

wowsers.

GREAT start so far.

>>and then the hospital scene!!!!!!
>
>00
>
>That shit was like, ....
>
>On SO MANY different levels I just DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
>FUCK IS GOING ON.



of taking a quick break to the kitchen and came back to
yoooo is she
welp dude
i have no sympathy

but daaaaaymn ole girl is ruthless
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

You don't need to understand any more than that.

I needed those frat rapists to die, cause that was some super foul shit.

It seems like every season there's gonna be an OD rape. The first season's and the this season were hard to watch.

Last season I didn't care about the character that much so it wasn't as bad. With that said, no one deserves to go through that shit at all.

ohshitohshitohshit
its coming its coming





BAM!

damn yall shouldnt have messed with that
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

I'm really looking forward to what's going on here. They kept it historically real. It's graphic and disturbing just like we're used to, but the story seems a little smoother from the jump, and again, I love the 'theatre troop' vibe this show gives off. Lastly, WTF are they doing to Jessica Lange, man? They are REALLY good at making her look anywhere from late 30's to her actual age.

The make-up/lighting people on this show deserve BIG props. It ALWAYS comes across SO natural.

smash ASAP shit. I should not be tripping over someone who could be my great grandma, but cotdamn.

I hope my wife/significant other looks that good when she gets that old. I'll be buying Viagra till I croak.

GOT DAMN...

so MUCH went on last night...

the cast is on fire (especially Emma Roberts, who really isn't that great of an actress, is PERFECTLY CAST as Madison)

The location, the storylines...

i'll have to watch again because I was CONSTANTLY yelling *WHAT THE FUCK?!* the entire time...

and the Fiona Supreme vs. LaLurie vs. Laveau: man this battle all season is going to be EPIC...

i'm putting my early money on Laveau. Given who she is in New Orleans lore and history, YOU DO NOT WANT TO FUCK WITH HER AT ALL.

I don't think Fiona is ready for this one...and LaLurie, given what she did to Laveau's man? SHEEIT...LaLurie better watch her back.

And the fact that Ryan Murphy said Fiona is hell bent on finding out who the new Supreme will be and she kills one of them? WOW...

I think Madison's a goner, ya'll.

And I bet Zoe is the new Supreme...or it's Cordelia and she's coming into her powers LATE (though I'm hearing Cordelia isn't ANYWHERE as WEAK as this first episode is portraying her to be).

But American Horror Story: Coven gets a damn TEN out of TEN stars from me.

I mean, *THIS* is how you do a genre show. The showrunners of SUPERNATURAL should be watching this show and taking NOTES. *THIS* is how you do a damn show with a "free flowing storyline and concept"...


American Horror Story is doing SO MUCH MORE AND DOING IT SO DAMN WELL in barely 25+ eps that SUPERNATURAL has done in NINE FUCKING YEARS

My god...can we crown AHS THE genre show of the Fall? can we?

followed by Season 1 and then Asylum.

see I'd put Asylum before Season 1 but that's just me.

one was damn good

they threw too much in it.

>My god...can we crown AHS THE genre show of the Fall? can we?
>

NO ONE is operating on this level.
Supernatural? Negro please.
The Following? lol, no.
The Walking Dead? too uneven.
Sleepy Hollow? Love it, but no
Grimm? *side eye*

AHS Is the undisputed heavy weight champ in this bish.

>>My god...can we crown AHS THE genre show of the Fall? can
>we?
>>
>
>NO ONE is operating on this level.
>Supernatural? Negro please.
>The Following? lol, no.
>The Walking Dead? too uneven.
>Sleepy Hollow? Love it, but no
>Grimm? *side eye*
>
>AHS Is the undisputed heavy weight champ in this bish.


but yet your ass STANS for Supernatural when you were TOLD AHS reigned supreme...you late, but you FINALLY got to the party lol

but yea...AHS is on some other level of outstanding wildness.

Like, i'm glad it's only 13 episodes because I think I'd lose my fucking mind if this show was 22+ lolol

but you're right with the other shows you named...

Sleepy Hollow won't come close to it, but I'd put Hollow right underneath it and *WAY* above the other ones...

Hannibal would be slipped right between AHS and Hollow though.

You ain't never heard me say it's current run is ANYTHING to crow about.

but I digress...

I'm sleeping on Hannibal, y'all keep telling me about it, but I ain't seen it yet. Is it on Netflix, yet?

I agree, Sleepy is is definitely 2nd to AHS, if a distant 2nd.

>You ain't never heard me say it's current run is ANYTHING to
>crow about.


nigga shut up because you defended thee ENTIRE fuck out of it last season and we TOLD you it wasn't shit, CRITICS told you it wasn't shit...don't move them goal posts now. smh

>but I digress...
>
>I'm sleeping on Hannibal, y'all keep telling me about it, but
>I ain't seen it yet. Is it on Netflix, yet?

i'm sure it is. nigga you got a computer go look for it. I swear lolol

>
>I agree, Sleepy is is definitely 2nd to AHS, if a distant
>2nd.

nah, sleepy hollow is right behind it..not right up on it but very close.

BOTH shows are featuring quality writing, a SERIOUS commitment to the worlds and narrative they created for the show, and strong, fully fleshed out characters (specifically the women on the show).

it would go for me:

1. AHS
1. Hannibal
3. Sleepy Hollow
4. Grimm
5. Dracula (strong pilot but don't know how it looks visually)
Supernatural isn't even TOUCHING my list....

I mean, as someone who likes watching actresses ham relentlessly and toss bitchy one-liners at one another, I have no problem with that. The horror didn't really affect me too much... but we did get Jessica Lange snorting coke to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, Gabourey Sidibe stabbing her own hand smugly, Tess Farmiglia fucking a boy until his head explodes from the inside, and Kathy Bates rubbing blood all over her face before "creating a Minotaur." Which is all pretty hilarious and fun.

So I'll keep tuning in to giggle at the campy lunacy-- Murphy's desire to push the limits of good taste on TV with a straight face is pretty admirable (he does it on Glee too).

Season 1 was on some ole campy schlocky pulpy goodness. Season 2, still camp, but less so and it DEFINITELY had it's serious moments. So far, I don't see much camp at all. WAIT WAIT WAIT, the antebellum New Orleans scenes were VERY camp.

lol

So I guess I can see where you're coming from. I guess we shall see where it goes...

... is if we introduce some drag queens into the mix.

The first episode was literally called "Bitchcraft." LMAO.

I don't mean "camp" as a slur btw. I enjoy some campy goodness. The show is ostentatious and gratuitously shocking and full of super-artificial camera distortion and catty bitches being catty in big hats and high heels. My bread and butter. I just don't find horror especially unsettling when it's surrounded by this style.

My favorite scenes are not going to be the ones where they're trying to scare us. They're going to be the scenes where Lange and Bassett are wearing vampy outfits, sneering about making people pay as music swells and a fish-eye lens zooms in on their excessive posturing.

I might have to concede it was campy in content. HOWEVER, I felt the tone and the issues they were dealing with were serious. Anyway, I ain't gonna go back & forth w/you. You kinda acknowledge that the 'campy' moments take the edge of the 'scary' moments and that's the balance I think they need. There's OBVIOUSLY room for adjustment tho.

>I might have to concede it was campy in content. HOWEVER, I
>felt the tone and the issues they were dealing with were
>serious. Anyway, I ain't gonna go back & forth w/you. You
>kinda acknowledge that the 'campy' moments take the edge of
>the 'scary' moments and that's the balance I think they need.
>There's OBVIOUSLY room for adjustment tho.

No one has ever accused Glee or Nip/Tuck of gritty realism, lol. If I wanted that, I simply wouldn't watch.

I like audaciousness. It's the same reason I like Lee Daniels. Even when I think it's a hot mess, there's an inherent boldness where most shows would ease off the accelerator.

It's the same reason I like Lee Daniels.
- He's now one of my favorite directors. I was converted after watching The Paperboy, The Butler solidified his position...loved that one.

.

in no way is it campier than last years first 3 episodes.

That shit was OFF THE CHARTS!!

lol, I know last year had the spankings and Sevigny's loony character to start us out, but this one feels campier to me as I can see that the entire foundation of the season is in powerful women (in awesome hats) being bitchy to one another in hopes of reigning supreme. John Waters is sprouting a boner somewhere.

DUDE. It's not that this season isn't campy. It's that last season was SOOOO campy.

>lol, I know last year had the spankings and Sevigny's loony
>character to start us out, but this one feels campier to me as
>I can see that the entire foundation of the season is in
>powerful women (in awesome hats) being bitchy to one another
>in hopes of reigning supreme. John Waters is sprouting a boner
>somewhere.
>
>

you should probably just stop now. no one's letting you off the hook with your camp darts...

just stop lolol

>you should probably just stop now. no one's letting you off
>the hook with your camp darts...
>
>just stop lolol

it feels more like shade
and ALOT more like
oh i cant take this as serious as the last two because those were more serious episodes


again...why?

oh yeah more women centered and witches
of COURSE its camp NOW


because haunted houses and asylums are less campy naturally
of course
um...
no frank
you got some 'splainin to do
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How can those be darts?

The last two seasons were both incredibly campy. Upping the ante and trying to add as much shock as possible-- a huge element of camp-- is precisely what Murphy tries to do each time he steps up to the plate with this show, is it not? Doesn't he WANT each new season to out-"holy shit" the last one?

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH CAMP. For the last time. lol. I'm just consistently amazed that something so campy is so incredibly mainstream, especially this particular style. Generally, camp of this manner ends up with cult followings, not covers of EW.

And yes, Murphy continues to outdo himself, in my opinion. It's not because it's women-centered that the show is more campy this season imo, because last season was nearly exclusively women-centered as well. The fact is women being bitchy to one another is, again, a huge element in camp. It's not "shade on a woman-centric show" to call it campy when I'd argue that's both what Murphy is going for and what he's founded every show in his career on.

It's just my opinion. I found my jaw dropping-- something I WANT MY CAMP TO MAKE ME DO-- more in this premiere than in the early episodes of last season. Personally.

I'm not trying to piss people that I like off in this post though. So if y'all think that calling it camp is some sort of slur or you don't want to talk about it, I can just leave and talk about it with non-OKPs. I think it's a super noteworthy and enjoyable part of the show.

>How can those be darts?
>
>The last two seasons were both incredibly campy. Upping the
>ante and trying to add as much shock as possible-- a huge
>element of camp-- is precisely what Murphy tries to do each
>time he steps up to the plate with this show, is it not?
>Doesn't he WANT each new season to out-"holy shit" the last
>one?
>
>THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH CAMP. For the last time. lol. I'm
>just consistently amazed that something so campy is so
>incredibly mainstream, especially this particular style.
>Generally, camp of this manner ends up with cult followings,
>not covers of EW.
>
>And yes, Murphy continues to outdo himself, in my opinion.
>It's not because it's women-centered that the show is more
>campy this season imo, because last season was nearly
>exclusively women-centered as well. The fact is women being
>bitchy to one another is, again, a huge element in camp. It's
>not "shade on a woman-centric show" to call it campy when I'd
>argue that's both what Murphy is going for and what he's
>founded every show in his career on.
>
>It's just my opinion. I found my jaw dropping-- something I
>WANT MY CAMP TO MAKE ME DO-- more in this premiere than in the
>early episodes of last season. Personally.
>
>I'm not trying to piss people that I like off in this post
>though. So if y'all think that calling it camp is some sort of
>slur or you don't want to talk about it, I can just leave and
>talk about it with non-OKPs. I think it's a super noteworthy
>and enjoyable part of the show.


yet *NONE* of this is camp. Nothing in the interviews Murphy has had about this season describes camp. Yea, the tone will be a bit more comedic. But, not campy at all.

Sorry, but he's framing this season around New Orleans voodoo, witches *AND* a character who is based off a real woman who murdered and tortured slaves?

yea i struggle to see the camp in this.

and yea, i'm with lfresh you are reaching. And that's okay.

And I still find it odd that you're even watching given that this is a HORROR show and we all know your stance on horror....

but yea you can have the "camp"...just don't expect me or anyone to give you a pass when you call this show camp.

SyFy's BEING HUMAN is camp; the shittier seasons of SUPERNATURAL are camp, even aspects of BATES MOTEL are camp...

AHS this season..sorry, i'm trying to see the camp in this one and I don't. At all.

Y'all enjoy the show in your way and I will in mine. I just didn't mean any disrespect to your opinion nor was I trying to shit on the show (nor be misogynistic-- first time I, the person who's usually the first to accuse film/TV of being misogynistic, have been accused of being anti-woman on this board). Hope y'all know that. Peace.

>Y'all enjoy the show in your way and I will in mine. I just
>didn't mean any disrespect to your opinion nor was I trying to
>shit on the show (nor be misogynistic-- first time I, the
>person who's usually the first to accuse film/TV of being
>misogynistic, have been accused of being anti-woman on this
>board). Hope y'all know that. Peace.

I do frank
Spoke with a coworker
She definitely agreed it was campy
*sigh*
=)

Sorry sankofall I see both sides now and I'm really not a horror watcher I figure if I can tolerate this then this isn't the average horror and I can see how the campy moments takes the edge off enough for me to watch

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=)
*hugs*
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>>Y'all enjoy the show in your way and I will in mine. I just
>>didn't mean any disrespect to your opinion nor was I trying
>to
>>shit on the show (nor be misogynistic-- first time I, the
>>person who's usually the first to accuse film/TV of being
>>misogynistic, have been accused of being anti-woman on this
>>board). Hope y'all know that. Peace.
>
>I do frank
>Spoke with a coworker
>She definitely agreed it was campy
>*sigh*
>=)
>
>Sorry sankofall I see both sides now and I'm really not a
>horror watcher I figure if I can tolerate this then this isn't
>the average horror and I can see how the campy moments takes
>the edge off enough for me to watch
>


that's obvious, but none of this season is camp and if you think that well that's on you.

but you haven't even watched a full season of the show yet.

those two seasons were camp.

this season...not even close.

but y'all have that...i'm fine with where I stand on this.

>but you haven't even watched a full season of the show yet.
>
>those two seasons were camp.
>
>this season...not even close.
>
>but y'all have that...i'm fine with where I stand on this.


realized that talking to my coworker
i'm really really not a horror person

evil dead and pin head is pretty much it for me
note evil dead (the original) was camp
i'm going to have to suspect my tastes on this one
jebus hellraiser was too no?
dang it

lemme go sit in the back
under the covers
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This season is extra campy, but for the other posters I don't think they're applying "camp" quite right to the horror genre.

Evil Nazi scientists in hiding isn't camp. The Supreme telling her charges to "wear black" then they come out in pointy hats *is* camp.

"Camp" is a tongue-in-cheek, highly self-aware notion of poking fun at itself. It does not necessarily apply to absurd elements that takes itself seriously (especially in the horror genre).

Camp is especially effective in horror because the tropes in horror are so well-defined. For real horror fans, camp is why movies like Scream, Evil Dead and Cabin in the Woods are held in such high regard.

And I LOVE Ryan Murphy's constant and consistent of application of camp for AHS... but trying to "quantify" one season more than another would be very, very difficult to do.

>This season is extra campy, but for the other posters I don't
>think they're applying "camp" quite right to the horror
>genre.
>
>Evil Nazi scientists in hiding isn't camp. The Supreme
>telling her charges to "wear black" then they come out in
>pointy hats *is* camp.
>
>"Camp" is a tongue-in-cheek, highly self-aware notion of
>poking fun at itself. It does not necessarily apply to absurd
>elements that takes itself seriously (especially in the horror
>genre).
>
>Camp is especially effective in horror because the tropes in
>horror are so well-defined. For real horror fans, camp is why
>movies like Scream, Evil Dead and Cabin in the Woods are held
>in such high regard.
>
>And I LOVE Ryan Murphy's constant and consistent of
>application of camp for AHS... but trying to "quantify" one
>season more than another would be very, very difficult to do.
>

i did catch that reference and the hogwarts
had me dying
yep
i'm firmly in the back seat on this
i really prefer camp horror
sheesh
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The show IS incredibly campy. Anyone saying anything different ain't paying attening. *I'm* saying, given all that happened in last season NO WAY is it MORE campy, at least not yet.

This is an error of magnitude, not a complete error.

>The show IS incredibly campy. Anyone saying anything
>different ain't paying attening. *I'm* saying, given all that
>happened in last season NO WAY is it MORE campy, at least not
>yet.
>
>This is an error of magnitude, not a complete error.

the first two seasons were campy as hell (because I laughed more than I was scared)

but this season....nah. i'm not seeing the camp.

you may get one liners but i struggle to see how you can camp this up given the historical figures that are IN the show, where they are shooting and what's being featured (voodoo)

but y'all go ahead and swear its camp to appease certain folk in this post.

do you.

.

>I mean, as someone who likes watching actresses ham
>relentlessly and toss bitchy one-liners at one another, I have
>no problem with that. The horror didn't really affect me too
>much... but we did get Jessica Lange snorting coke to
>In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, Gabourey Sidibe stabbing her own hand
>smugly, Tess Farmiglia fucking a boy until his head explodes
>from the inside, and Kathy Bates rubbing blood all over her
>face before "creating a Minotaur." Which is all pretty
>hilarious and fun.
>
>So I'll keep tuning in to giggle at the campy lunacy--
>Murphy's desire to push the limits of good taste on TV with a
>straight face is pretty admirable (he does it on Glee too).

um no.

the show isn't even remotely campy as compared to the other two seasons...

in fact, it's way LESS campy than the other two in a lot of respects..

with slaves blood/organ harvesting, sewing mouths shut with feces inside, human/animal experiments, and dozens of other outlandish unspeakable acts, is all true



or as true as what could be discovered and discerned when the house and torture attic was found.


im sure the vileness coming up this season is only eclipsed by the actual stuff that went on but was never discovered

sooo.... not much camp there imo.


now the hospital retaliation rape and catclaw one liners... yea pretty giggly stuff

>I mean, as someone who likes watching actresses ham
>relentlessly and toss bitchy one-liners at one another, I have
>no problem with that. The horror didn't really affect me too
>much... but we did get Jessica Lange snorting coke to
>In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, Gabourey Sidibe stabbing her own hand
>smugly, Tess Farmiglia fucking a boy until his head explodes
>from the inside, and Kathy Bates rubbing blood all over her
>face before "creating a Minotaur." Which is all pretty
>hilarious and fun.
>
>So I'll keep tuning in to giggle at the campy lunacy--
>Murphy's desire to push the limits of good taste on TV with a
>straight face is pretty admirable (he does it on Glee too).

mother and daughter last night. Don't know if it was just the hair/makeup, but I never really noticed the similarities before.

And I can't WAIT until Lily Rabe's character comes back (I assume she is, since she's a necromancer and you're not going to use her for one minute in one episode.)

That whole opening sequence was almost too much, though.

.

That opening scene. Wow. Compared to the last two seasons openings, this had the strongest impact. Pretty gruesome. I hope the minataur returns in some capacity a'la Rubberman/Bloodyface, maybe with the help of some voodoo. Kathy Bates is obviously having a lot of fun chewing the scenery.

That said, I can already tell that the tone of this season is going to be a little campier and less serious than last, which I'm okay with as long as I'm able at some point to develop an emotional connection with one of the characters like I was able to w/ Jude, Lana and Kit last season.

Bummed that my girl Lily Rabe got less than a minute of screen time before they killed her off, though her character does seem instrumental in bringing Jessica Lange's character back to the boarding school. Really hope she gets resurrected, too, or at least gets more flashbacks. Seems like a waste to announce her return only to give her a bit part.

Alfonso Gomez-Rejon did his thing with the directing and cinematography. This show has better production value and shot composition than most horror films that are released theatrically these days. Anybody else notice that staircases always play a prominent role on this show?

Emma Roberts is the only one I'm not feeling as of now. Her presence is very...I dunno. It's acting like that which makes me not like most TV drama. Hope Frances Conroy's role increases, her scenes with Jessica in the last two seasons have been some of the most memorable moments on the show. Oh...and Angela Basset's introduction gave me the chills. Very much looking forward to next week.

fiona throwing madison into the wall had me cackling
precious voodoo-dolling madison did too.
now that i think about it madison had my top moments of the show.
zoe's got a hell of a power. its weird to watch because i like that chick.
curious how lily rabe and evan peters will play out over the rest of the season.
sarah paulson looks great as a blonde.

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it was done smoooth too

violation
bus flip

next
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I actually did find it scary.

Not even the Black Dahlia stuff? Or most of the scenes involving Jessica Lange? Or GHOST CHRISTMAS?

job of getting me emotionally invested in that family and how it was gonna play out.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/american-horror-storys-ryan-murphy-645415

FX unleashes the third season in Ryan Murphy and Brad Falchuk's American Horror Story anthology on Wednesday with Coven, a witchy-themed season that stands in stark contrast to last season's deeply twisted Asylum.

This year, Jessica Lange goes head to head with Kathy Bates -- and Angela Bassett -- as Fiona, the long-absent Supreme who returns to oversee her coven of young witches studying at Miss Robichaux's Academy for Exceptional Young Ladies, that coincidentally is run by her daughter Myrtle (Sarah Paulson). The present-day story again weaves in flashbacks to reveal the witches' heydays and those who wanted them burned at the stake. Among the key players is Bates' Madama LaLurie, based on the historical (and horrible) woman who used the blood of slaves in a bid to fight the aging process, among other twisted ventures. (Murphy describes Bates' LaLurie as "eight times worse than Misery" if that gives you any indication of the horrors to come in Coven.)

"It's a meditation on race relations in this country. It really is an allegory for any minority group living in our country," Murphy told reporters following a recent screening of Coven.

In addition to the central adult story featuring Lange, Paulson, Bates and Bassett, Coven will also explore the next generation of witches -- played by Taissa Farmiga (Zoe, who has the ability to "f--- someone to death"), Emma Roberts (Madison, who has Carrie-like abilities), Gabourey Sidibe (Queenie, a human voodoo doll) and Jamie Brewer (Nan, clairvoyance), each of whom have their own unique abilities with one likely to be crowned the next Supreme (much to Fiona's chagrin).

"I love the formula of the youth story with the veteran actress story," Murphy notes, singling out Coven as his favorite yet of all three stand-alone stories. "We researched a lot about the Salem witches and the girls back then. … We have a lot of Salem flashbacks throughout the year where these girls, who are students, learn about their ancestors, and we deal with that. And more people come in to the show -- other witches -- to that house, and they have very specific powers."

"The great mystery of the season is which of the people you have met is the Supreme," Murphy says. "Who is going take Jessica Lange's throne? The show also has a really great thriller aspect to it this year -- you really don't find out until episode 12 who that is."

This year also marks the first that AHS will move from its typical home on the Paramount soundstages in Hollywood to location shoots in New Orleans, with Murphy giving Lange credit for helping to make the city a character in Coven.

"I knew we wanted to do witches, and that they were from Salem, but I didn't want to do it in Salem. Jessica kept saying she wanted to do it in New Orleans, so I had to make that work," Murphy explains. "It made sense to me that the true witches were smart enough to escape and had fled."

At that point, the co-creator began researching myths from New Orleans and came across horror legends including Madame LaLurie, Marie LaVeau (played by Bassett), as well as the Axeman serial killer. Not to be outdone, Coven -- like season one's Black Dahlia and Asylum's Anne Frank -- will feature other historical figures weaved into the story.

Also returning this year is season one breakout Farmiga, whose young witch will be paired with Evan Peters' Kyle in what's likely to be a tragic romance given Zoe's abilities.

"I wanted to write something for them, a love story, but I wanted it to be different," Murphy says of his young muse. "She finished season one and went off to make the Sofia Coppola movie, and there was really no part for her last season. After Jessica and Sarah, she's the one I called in first. love working together and Evan's girlfriend is also working on the show, but I made that work. love story in some weird way is reincarnated in the myth of the show."

Following a heavy Asylum season in which Paulson's Lana Winters' aspiring reporter was raped and forced to undergo aversion conversion therapy and electroshock therapy, Paulson's Cordelia Fox starts the season very prim and proper as the head of the young school for witches. Murphy compares her Coven character to Bewitched's Samantha -- at least at the start of the season.

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"I was always fascinated by the dynamic of the show Bewitched and thought, 'What would really happen if Samantha listened to Endora and just went bat-shit dark crazy,'" Murphy says. "There's something that happens to her character around episode five that forces her to realize that her mother may be right . They're an odd mother-daughter relationship, and they really don't like each other. Where Sarah starts and where Sarah ends up is completely the opposite of who she's playing in that first episode."

As for the future of AHS, Murphy sees the series running for a long time with self-containing seasons -- but is open to the idea of Coven spinning off.

" John Landgraf and I have always spoken about how this is a show that is ripe to spin something off, to do something different," he says. "I already know what next season is. It's not witches, but maybe something will happen. We're talking about it. I have the next season of Horror Story already plotted, and it's quite different and fun."

Meanwhile, plans for an AHS companion series, in the same vein as AMC's The Walking Dead talk show The Talking Dead, are not likely to move forward.

"They asked me to do that and I said no," Murphy says. "With a show like this, sometimes I even debate doing this kind of stuff because I feel like I have a tendency to open my mouth too much and give too many spoilers away. I think I would just be ad nauseam. Maybe someday. This show, particularly, has a lot of secrets and things that kick in around episode five and after that I won't be talking."

While it's anyone's guess what the likely fourth season of AHS will look like, Murphy will continue to plant the seed for the show's future in one of the final episodes of the year -- and possibly more. "I thought it would be really cool with this show -- and I might do it this year -- that the finale airs and then I announce what next year's show is by using some sort of visual thing," he says. "I think we're going to try that this year because people would really love it. I loved last year laying in those clues. The last image of the season will be, 'This is what you're getting next year' and we'll announce the title."

I love that he already has next season thought out.

nm

Or will he return?

They seemed to imply that they're going to bring him back as some kind of Frankenstein monster.

>They seemed to imply that they're going to bring him back as
>some kind of Frankenstein monster.

AKA ZOE BOUT TO GET HER SOME FRANKENDICK!!!!!!

So since he's already dead, will her powers "HURT" him?

- I do not see the camp in this, but maybe we're all working off of different definitions of camp. If you're viewing it as humorous because of its ridiculousness then yea i get that, but if you view it as serious consequences set in a real sort of way then camp doesn't apply. Either way, we're all enjoying it.

-Emma Roberts is REALLY good, as we've all mentioned that Bus scene was fantastic. Great way to introduce her powers.

- This season seems to be darker already with the introduction of everyone's powers, Gabby being the human voodoo doll was very impressive. I'm a fan of the way this is written and the way it plays out.

- Jessica Lange will once again be up or an award, but I must say this is Sistah Jude all over again without the Mass accent. I'm all good with that as she was excellent, but that's what we're in for.

- The slave aspect makes this so dark and real, not nearly as wild and splotchy as last season with human skin face dude. I think that portion will give us the tension with Angela Bassett and Bates. I'm very excited to see where this goes.

I have a feeling we're going to have a strong conversation about this on sunday evening.

Jessica Lange is that bitch. She knows how to own a role. I appreciate that each season she brings it with her character.

Especially considering Mary Todd was married to the man who ended slavery. LaLaurie probably would've taken offense if she had known who Lincoln was.

Damn, son.
NUFF SADI.

And "camp" doesn't mean "absurd", people.

A wholly traditional story arc can be extra campy, or a completely ridiculous story with disparate elements can have no camp whatsoever.

"Camp" is an aesthetic tone, not (necessarily) the inclusion of absurd elements.

i had no idea

what you mentioned about the self referential self aware element clicked

i had no idea what to call it before
i would just tell people i didn't like horror
but i actually like camp horror
something about the self awareness creates a barrier for me as an audience and makes me comfortable
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It's the X-Men as witches. Paulson and Lange are Xavier and Magneto. Jean Grey is there, Rogue, Storm, Apocalypse, etc.

Seriously though, the cast is simply amazing, will be fun to see them play off each other for an entire season.

I said WTF in the first 5 minutes, and I knew I was in for a wild ride.

I'm kinda mad that negro pulled that shit out his ass, tho.

I need to digest this show before I talk about it but I enjoyed it. Jessica Lange is everything, she's killing the Fiona role.

And minotaur dude is still *alive* ?!? WHAT


this show is campy as hell. I ain't even gonna lie but I love it.

But why couldn't she take the bullhead off the dude? I heard of accepting someone as they are, but damn.

That shot at the end of Fiona walking done the street made me forget how old Jessica Lange really is. She makes 64 look pretty damn good

she couldn't take his head off?

I still don't get why they decided to resurrect Kyle.
Didnt' realize Cordellia was married...I'm assuming that wasn't a flashback because I thought it was a flashback to her and her husband trying to get pregnant?

Because magic

Unless they sewed the head on behind the scenes, I don't understand why his girlfriend, the voodoo queen, who managed to live over 100 years without aging , wouldn't just take the head off.

For all the from-left-field elements that's a hallmark of AHS, I've been pretty pleased in general at the tight ship that Murphy runs. Things often don't make sense initially, but I rarely (if ever.. I'm struggling to think of an example) notice any significant plot holes.

Lily Rabe owned this episode. Her character is gonna be dope once the season progresses.

These bitches are ruthless. The only one I really sympathize with is Tassia Farmiga (They are making her look extra smashable this season. Lord have mercy).

The insults Precocious was hurling were hysterical. Sabrina the Teenage Cracker had me dying. Fuck that shit was funny.

she stole food from in the movie?

*not my joke but i laughed*

But when she said "I will eat you." I was like LAWD ALL OF THE CAMPYINESS" (sp)

I have to admit I was shocked at the use of the n-word.

But yo that fried chicken flashback had me DYING of laughter.

That had me rolling too. Bassett and Lange trading some fire-ass one-liners.

And obviously Lily Rabe strolling outta the swamp to Fleetwood Mac, looking exactly like Stevie Nicks. Also hilarious and awesome.

On a more serious note, I love the witch with Down syndrome and the way her character is handled. I know Farmiga is supposed to be the protagonist, but the witch with DS is treated so tenderly and is so grounded that I can't help but watch her in every scene and want to follow every move she makes. I thought Murphy got way too heavyhanded on Glee with his Down characters, but here, early on, I think he's realizing a vision that I really adore: a character with Down syndrome who isn't used as a symbol for kids with disabilities and their issues (which ended up happening too often on Glee), but is simply a human character that happens to have Down syndrome.

>That had me rolling too. Bassett and Lange trading some
>fire-ass one-liners.

Damn, now that I think about it, that shit was racist.

Damn...

But Kathy Bates calling Precious a slave was type funny too.

>And obviously Lily Rabe strolling outta the swamp to Fleetwood
>Mac, looking exactly like Stevie Nicks. Also hilarious and
>awesome.
>
>On a more serious note, I love the witch with Down syndrome
>and the way her character is handled. I know Farmiga is
>supposed to be the protagonist, but the witch with DS is
>treated so tenderly and is so grounded that I can't help but
>watch her in every scene and want to follow every move she
>makes. I thought Murphy got way too heavyhanded on Glee with
>his Down characters, but here, early on, I think he's
>realizing a vision that I really adore: a character with Down
>syndrome who isn't used as a symbol for kids with disabilities
>and their issues (which ended up happening too often on Glee),
>but is simply a human character that happens to have Down
>syndrome.

Yea, I like that character a lot.

your thoughts
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the first season, you can see an improvement with her acting. Not that she was bad before but she's much more fluid and comfortable now. she's great with non verbal communication (her facial expressions, her movements). i wonder if she got a coach.

I love how no one states the obvious with her, but they point out everyone else's flaws (physical or otherwise). But she is commanding right now...when she kicked lalaurie out i died laughing.

I FUCKING LOST IT!

i laugh a bit too hard


but i was wondering wtf aint you a decades/centiries old witch...why you there


they'll explain i know but i'm all ?
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I also thought that Murphy did a great job handling a character with DS (same actress). She played Jessica Lange's daughter in that one, and Lange and the writers did a great job conveying the delicate balance between genuinely loving her daughter and... "disappointment" that she had DS.

I definitely agree with you though that his handling of Becky in Glee can be downright cringeworthy. That show in general is a trainwreck now though, and has been for a few seasons. Nothing.. fucking.. makes.. sense.

Incidentally, I'm glad AHS is done anthology style, because I think Murphy is scraping the bottom of the barrel for Glee. I'm only familiar with Glee and AHS, but it seems like he's at his creative best when he's constantly given entirely fresh material to work with.

He obviously is still the figurehead, but it definitely seems to be arbitrary in everything it does nowadays, like "yep, another paycheck, whatevs."

I dunno what it was, but those tow up in each other's face was hotter than a motherfucker.

Sad to see my homegirl hangin' by her neck from a porch, but it was cool that she even got to be in two episodes. Good for her.

My nigga!!!

http://collider.com/alfonso-gomez-rejon-american-horror-story-interview/

From co-creators Ryan Murphy and Brad Falchuk, the FX series American Horror Story uses a unique and compelling approach to television, with a different setting, different characters and a rotating cast of actors for each season. For Season 3, American Horror Story: Coven tells the secret history of witches and witchcraft in America, with a cast of powerhouse actresses that includes Jessica Lange, Kathy Bates, Angela Bassett, Patti LuPone, Sarah Paulson and Frances Conroy.

During this recent exclusive interview with Collider, executive producer/director Alfonso Gomez-Rejon talked about his path to becoming a director, how he came to be working with Ryan Murphy, the natural progression of his career, from episodic director to producing director to feature director, how much more involved he is with American Horror Story this season, how The Town That Dreaded Sundown became his first feature directing job, his unique visual style, and that he’d like to maintain a balance of television and film projects. Check out what he had to say after the jump.

Collider: You started off doing episodes for Glee, and then moved on to American Horror Story. How did you start working with Ryan Murphy?

ALFONSO GOMEZ-REJON: I’m really grateful to Ryan Murphy for so much because he’s fearless. He’s so confident. He has a very unusual and unique way of seeing the world sometimes, and he’s somehow able to translate that into entertainment for the masses, at the right time in pop culture. I think when he recognizes talent, whether arguably I have it or not, he has a way of just nurturing it. The Ryan Murphy television world has assistants who have become producers and writers and. If he trusts you and you have a unique way of seeing his world, he nurtures you. I can’t say enough about him. He just gives new people a shot, and it takes a lot of confidence and generosity to do that.

How did you initially make the step into directing?

GOMEZ-REJON: I’ve been clawing my way to directing since I was a kid. I started in the P.A. world and craft service and storyboard artist, with the eye on the prize of directing. When I was directing second unit on Babel, I ended up casting most of the unknown parts. In these weird circles, I was this guy who found these kids on the streets. I got introduced to Ryan because he was having trouble casting the Balinese section of Eat Pray Love because he wanted real people and wasn’t getting it, and he heard about me because I was that guy.

So, I got a call and I met with him for five minutes. I went out to Bali, and I cast all of these supporting roles. I love that stuff. I just love actors. And then, he asked me to direct second unit for him on Eat Pray Love. I was already booked on something else, but I joined them later. And then, I wrote him a thank you email and I got no response. I was like, “Okay, that’s it.” We didn’t interact much on set either. I was doing my thing. He didn’t even know me, but he was very specific about what he wanted and I would interpret what he said. I didn’t get a reply, but then, all of a sudden, I got an email out of the blue that said, “Do you want to direct an episode of Glee?” I guess it took time for him to see my footage cut together.

So, he sent me the script. TV is all new to me because I came from features. We sat down and I had my first tone meeting. At that point, I had storyboarded every framed and I had a book of boards, which is the feature side of me. It was all very structured. But, he didn’t even want to look at them. He said, “I trust you. Do whatever you want. If anyone tells you that you can’t do something, just tell them that I want it.” He basically said to lie to them, but I never had to use the line. And I don’t think he showed up on set once. That was my first “directed by” credit that wasn’t second unit or an assistant to someone else, and it takes a lot for someone to do that, and have faith in you and follow through with it. So, that episode worked out and I’ve been a part of his family ever since.

Has it felt like a natural progression to go from Glee to American Horror Story, and then becoming a producing director for Coven, and even doing a feature film with together, with The Town That Dreaded Sundown?

GOMEZ-REJON: It does, but I try not to think about it too much. On some kind of unspoken, deep, deep level, I think we have an aesthetic that we both understand or connect to. It’s not that we see the world in the same way because we have very different points of view, but we’re both visual stylists. He has an aesthetic that I really appreciate, and I think he appreciates mine. I was attracted to Glee and thought I could do it because it was an unusual TV show for me, as a viewer. I love visual stylists like Bob Fosse and Vincente Minnelli and Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger with The Red Shoes and The Tales of Hoffman, and I thought I could bring that to it.

Musicals and horror films can be very non-verbal and very pure cinema with movement. The camera is justified in being a character. It can really move and tell a story, and literally direct you to look here or there. I’m a fan of musicals from those great masters, and I was able to have an opportunity to express myself in musical numbers with Glee, in addition to the dramatic side of it. And horror allowed me to quickly switch gears.

american-horror-story-coven-posterThe material is so good and the writing is so strong that that’s why someone like Scorsese can make something like Kundun in Tibet. It’s just about what you connect to emotionally, and if there’s some kind of truth to the characters and to the moments that you can understand. That’s all you need. The fact that it allows you to make the camera a character is secondary, but it’s exciting, as a filmmaker. You really have to push it, and you’re given the freedom to do that. You get to interpret it and see how you’re going to make it your own. There’s something to be said about that, and it’s very unusual for me.

How has being a producing director on American Horror Story: Coven changed things for you, this season? Does it give you more creative freedom?

GOMEZ-REJON: That’s what the first episode is all about. At the same time, you’re allowing other directors come in and push it, and I learn from that as well. I have more of a dialogue with Ryan, because it’s ongoing for every episode and not just the ones you’re shooting. Naturally, because of how we met, I’m more involved with casting than I was before, which is a total treat and very much a director’s job. The fact that a showrunner is bringing me into that part of it, as much as he has been, is great. Also, we’ll talk about a lot of the decisions together. Having that dialogue with him, to me, means a lot because I always get something out of it.

American Horror Story has the look of a film, but you’re doing it on a TV budget. Did that help, when you actually had to do a horror film on a limited budget?

GOMEZ-REJON: Yeah, we shoot on 35 mm. Sure, that absolutely helps. Also, who your cinematography is, if they have a TV background, then they’re quite nimble and able to adjust quickly, like someone who’s maybe just pure film. It’s a great asset to you, on your first film, to bring some people with you from the television world because they understand the speed that you have to work with to get your grand ideas down. If someone already knows you from being in the trenches with you on this TV schedules, and then you have a little bit more time, it’s a treat for them, as well, because they can give you more. The transition to making a low-budget film was certainly easier because I’m further in my career, so I can own my title a little better, and then I had a support system that knows me and that I was able to bring along, as well. That was invaluable.

After having tried for so long to get into directing, why The Town That Dreaded Sundown for your first feature?

GOMEZ-REJON: Well, I’ve been developing things, and they’re still out there in different stages. Film moves very slowly. There are certainly a couple other interesting projects out there. But, I sat down with Ryan and we talked about the material, what I liked about it, and how I saw it, and Ryan makes things real. At some point, you have an opportunity to not be a first-time filmmaker anymore. You can embrace the genre and show the world how you can tell stories on a bigger scale. It was an opportunity that I couldn’t pass up because it was with him and it was a wonderful screenplay. I had these ideas that I wanted to get out that were deeply personal, oddly enough, that I buried in there. It was also the fact that it was actually going to happen, and not be developed for three years or 10 years. It was going to be shot, and he was going to have my back, throughout the whole process. That’s a luxury.

If you were going to do a remake, was it important to you to be able to have your own vision and take on the story?

GOMEZ-REJON: Yeah, but it’s not a remake. It’s a reinterpretation of that film. It’s a meta-movie, if you want to call it that. The original movie is a character. Yeah, if there isn’t anything you can offer, then what’s the point? I would hate the day when I’m just taking a job because I need it. Hopefully, you have a point of view, every time you get a chance to express yourself.

Has all of the experience you’ve had now helped to give you the confidence for some of the more unusual or different shots that you’ve done on the shows that you’ve worked on?

GOMEZ-REJON: I don’t set out to make something unusual or different. It’s just how I see it. The fun of directing for me, other than working with the actors, is trying to extract those ideas that you have in your head and make them real. There are sequences that you see a certain way when you read the script, and then you doodle drawings or storyboard them, and the fun is how you make it real. It becomes an extension of your imagination to make something tangible and concrete. It changes and evolves. I don’t set out to do something weird, but if you see something a certain way and it’s a little left of center, and you can realize it, that’s a real thrill. Ryan is open to seeing things in context, and that’s the freedom that he creates and the freedom that you then allow yourself on set to explore something a little unusual. Certainly, a scene can work without it, but he’s fearless that way. He just takes chances.

Are you looking to keep a balance between working on television and doing film? Do you want to stay in both worlds?

GOMEZ-REJON: Yeah. If you had asked me a few years ago, I probably would have said I only want to do movies because each story that you can communicate to the world is quite personal, and TV is a different kind of machine. But, being exposed to the Ryan Murphy machine, it is very much a personal extension of him. So, if I can learn from that and tell longer stories that are quite personal, and balance that out with features, then that would be the ultimate dream.

American Horror Story: Coven airs on Wednesday nights on FX.

and clocked her upside the head.

the getback for that is gonna be fiya.

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yeah I laughed.

Fucking LOVE the pacing on this show... going from one jaw-dropping moment to another is the norm, not the exception.

And this is way too early for speculation, but I'm already wondering who the heck the new Supreme is. I can see great arguments for each of the witches... I would trip out if Queenie was the Supreme and she switched sides to Levaux's crew.

And Lange should do this show forever because she is so great at portraying characters you root for but are characterized by sinister motivations.

I don't know if anthology-style AHS could ever crack my "favorites shows of all time" but it's easily one of my fun-nest (if not the MOST fun) hour of television every week.

Man.

She's never been allowed to go this far into the hambone realm before. That includes Rat Race.

She literally HISSES her lines.

Magical.

damn having a baby is not that serious.

Like I was so unprepared for the myriad of events

* the incest between the mom and son
* Gabby trying to get freaky with the minotaur
* Fiona killing the teen witch

I MEAN...come on. I really didn't expect that to be the incest story line. I was wondering why she kept looking at him like wow but she been molesting her son. Didn't she find it odd his body was different? didn't stop her though. Trifling.

Now fiona has killed at least two witches (we know she killed more) so i can't wait to see what the Council says. At the same time, she's the Supreme.

This was really good. Like i was in the house in shock and awe at this episode.

That's also the name of my one man show.

But yeah, Madison getting killed was far more shocking than either the minotaur or the mom molesting her dead Frankenstein son. Also, I kind of assumed they were setting Zoe up to be the new supreme.

... they showed first episode when they killed two of the main players who popped back up nearly immediately that the main folks are gonna stay dying and coming back, lol.

When they were playing pool, and Jessica Lange saw someone else for a second, I was like, "yup, either Emma's dying or Lange's gonna use that ol' face-suck to try to get dat youth."

Precious reaching up into her folds was by far the most shocking event of the season. I expect rape/incest/fucked-up sex to come in pretty often on this show... but I was BLIND SIDED by that, lmao.

so far.
This nigga Ryan Murphy seriously gives no amount of fucks and I give him major props for it. Fiona is gunning to be one of the GOAT TV characters ever.

Jessica Lange is really gunning for that Emmy. She's over due for that shit.

It may be recency effect talking, but at this pace this season is shaping up to be my favorite of the three so far

omg that incest had me SO uncomfortable
and the minotaur part...good grief!

her son i was like "wait..." then she was like your body is different but YOLO and I'm like WAIT. and the look on his face was so heart breaking like he still had that zombie but i'm sad look going on. I was like NAW

i KNEW he was gonna kill his mom. she had to go talking about "they can't do you like momma..." momma need to get her life and die.

AND YOU KNOW the butler is gonna have his way with the body.

his sadness was heartbreaking :(

i thought my momma was gonna walk in and say "girl what you got on this tv"

i was so happy he killed her tho.

Why Gabby had to fuck a bullman? a bull BLACK man? As in "bull"/"buck"/SLAVERY bull black man? CISM CISM CISM.

Why? Just cause she big and black? Do they KNOW what state they are in? She can get play in LA! White people recklessly writing for white people, yet again.

Ugh

Shocked they got rid of Emma Roberts so quick tho.

so the butler
how old is he?

y'all know btwn necromancer misty in the swamp and voodoo queen almighty marie laveau nobody's gonna stay dead

>y'all know btwn necromancer misty in the swamp and voodoo
>queen almighty marie laveau nobody's gonna stay dead

btu i was still like


thats was fast
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We see the ol' Brian DePalma hand-juts-out-from-the-grave shot.

we've had a black president, Supreme Court justices, Secretary of State, and EVEN POET LAUREATE.

Like, "No, not poet laureate. That's the last bastion of white power in America! What's next, a black mayor of Shreveport?"

Seeing Bates teared up at the innaugural speech for all the wrong reasons had me weak.

my bed yo

like, this. is. perfection.

kate bates is hamming this role up


i need Gabourey to study up
i want to like her but up against Kathy its clear she has alot to learn acting wise
she HAS to come with her A game for this
cause Kathy is brangin it
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This season is like a master class on actresses chewing on their scenery and being amazing at it.

i'm on edge whenever one of those three come on screen

i get in ITS ABOUT TO BE ON mode
yall ready for this:
http://youtu.be/DJ6CcEOmlYU


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After, of course, Precious rubbing one out in front of the minotaur.

of her taking LaLaurie's blood? was it to attract the minotaur because i feel like he would have followed her anyway.

>of her taking LaLaurie's blood? was it to attract the
>minotaur because i feel like he would have followed her
>anyway.


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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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remember when they are talking about sex and Nan says she gets it all the time?

well...

"Anna Lee told Fiona that a talented witch can display four or five powers, but until she performs the 7 wonders, she has not proven herself to be the Supreme.

One of the talents a witch can possess is the ability to enchant men (what Fiona refers to in her opening V.O. as "the dance"). Madison, being a talented witch, demonstrates several talents. But what really convinces Fiona that Madison is the Supreme is when she watches all the men swooning over her in the bar and Fiona sees her younger self in Madison. However, what Fiona is seeing isn't really the dance, it's just a bunch of horny guys going after a hot starlet.

The real manifestation of the dance is when Madison and Nan go next door and the boy completely ignores Madison because he can't take his eyes off of Nan. He's enchanted. She got the power of the dance, and as time goes on we're going to see that she has even more powers than that.

Nan is the Supreme."

Kinda hope something comes out of this

Nan and Madison getting jealous over it. this makes sense.

Didn't even catch that though. It was just a hunch really.

And Lange's gonna straight up overlook it because of Nan's Down syndrome.

I hope Nan fucks up ALL these bitches, lol.

not putting it together like that
but the casual way she wields her powers
i'm like its her
i betchu its her
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actually when that scene happened i was like why is he all up in Nan's face. let me find out he got a fetish but having it explained that way makes the most sense. so now I'm like YEAH that's it. and i hope no one suspects her and she destroys them all. lol.

because out of all of them, Nan is the only one who is most at ease and most in control of her powers...

but yea, i'm praying for Angela Bassett to kill both Fiona and LaLurie...

If I don't get that, then I need Nan to kill Fiona.

On top of that Fiona told Nan in the first episode: "You're the most powerful one here"

... and yet she totally discounts her because of Down's.

I didn't think they'd reveal the Supreme just yet, but I'm glad they got it out of the way early so we see more of the power struggle.

Another reason why AHS is the shit: very aware of all the common horror tropes, yet more than willing to break all of 'em to tell a fucking story

that's that GOOD camp, LOL

Gotta pass the time on the throne somehow I guess

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however, i dont' think that took away from the episode I quiet enjoyed it.

However I think the husband cheating and being a killer was predictable (I figured it out early, but i mean as soon as he said "me...i was a monster" i was like OH THIS DUDE GONNA KILL HER). so now it's two things...either he's a serial killer or a warlock. I think this murder being on Halloween is a sacrifice of sorts. Who knows. I wasn't shocked.

Nan calling the council. I called that too but that was interesting. Finding out that Madison had the heart condition just verified what I think a lot of us believed anyway about her not being the Supreme (although it seems to me everyone on twitter still thinks that she was...) Still think it's Nan. Time will tell.

Marie calling up LaLaurie's daughters and her old staff was hilarious. (I assume it's the old ppl who worked on the house. it was like they got called to go home).

I was shocked at Cordelia getting the acid in her face. And losing Kyle. Man. I am not shocked at Kyle not being himself. We all saw Pet Sematary. We all know how it goes.

1- I couldn't watch the husband part. I knew but
I got scared and turned the channel lol

2- I didn't even realize that was her daughter's lol!
Hilarious

3- who do you think was behind the acid?

4- do you think that ol boy is doing the dead. Body?

the dead body but i wouldn't be surprised...but he's in love with Fiona, he's her servant. I hope they reveal more about him as the season goes on.

And thus, no answer to the question of whether he had a human dick or a bull dick.

goonies never say die!


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that was the red headed witch right?


i had to look her up because she was so familiar
6 ft under mom
but her eye
woah


but anyways
i know shes on the counsel
but maybe its my assumption that it was her
but i dont think the laveau group would hide that it was them
but shes not in the least afraid of her mom?
that witch is NOT going to be happy about this no matter how she treats her daughter
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I don't know if it's the red head witch (I doubt it...she was small, I'd wager more than it was Zoe's character). OR maybe even the other witch who lives in the woods. either way, she was clearly white. so there's that.

>I don't know if it's the red head witch (I doubt it...she was
>small, I'd wager more than it was Zoe's character). OR maybe
>even the other witch who lives in the woods. either way, she
>was clearly white. so there's that.


nah, it couldn't have been Marie Laveau...she doesn't have an issue with Cordelia.

Marie's beef is with Fiona specifically and like you said, they clearly wouldn't have qualms about letting fiona know they did it.

I don't think it was Zoe...she ain't got no beef with Cordelia.

I still suspect it was Myrtle though. or one of the council folks.

but who is Fiona burning at the stake in next week's episode?

and watch we find out that Cordelia can heal herself or some ish like that.

but im like Myrtle


you are clearly afraid of Fiona


WTF would you mess with her daughter????
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Lol @ them bringing the chick that played the maid back just for a moment...I was wondering when she was gonna pop up tho. Francis Conroy (like Lange, Bassett, and Bates) is EVERYTHING! The only things that truly surprised me this ep were the acid in the eyes, and how heavy the opening scene was...also, that music/noise that plays whilst Marie is casting spells creeps me the fuck out.

Oh yea, I love how they made the butler all in love w/ Fiona (again).

That bitch is fine as fuck.

With that said holy shit at the opening scene and holy shit at the tongue cutting and holy shit at the cross dressing and holy shit at the acid in the eyes.

Really enjoyed the flashbacks in this episode. Can't wait to see how this plays out next week.

man I hope they let Angela Bassett's chsrscter win in the end because she is killing it with this role- PUN intended !!...lol
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...her and Fiona go at it. Cordelia steps in and kills Fiona when she finds out Fi killed Madison. They restart the truce, and Cordelia gets her baby.

>...her and Fiona go at it. Cordelia steps in and kills Fiona
>when she finds out Fi killed Madison. They restart the truce,
>and Cordelia gets her baby.


i could see this happening...

I still would not be surprised if Cordelia somehow ends up being the Supreme.

Though I'm banking on it being Nan...

or Zoe, since she gets new powers of her own in the next episode.

>I still would not be surprised if Cordelia somehow ends up
>being the Supreme.
>
>Though I'm banking on it being Nan...
>
>or Zoe, since she gets new powers of her own in the next
>episode.

That could also be something that could bring a truce with Marie's crew.

does this season even have a clear, *clear* villain? In both prior seasons, the show used the cold open to establish the early villain: S1 had the house and Rubberman, S2 had Bloody Face (then later Nazi Doctor), but in S3... who? Racists? But they got got already...

I know it's still super early, but no one sticks out quite yet as an obvious villain. Leveaux's clan has had numerous injustices committed against them, LaLaurie seemingly has no power, and Fiona's the lovable, yet flawed, protoganist. Who's left? ... Kyle? The Council? Crazy religious lady next door?

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Ol' Myrtle EXPLODING when her gambit got called out. Frances Conroy has been so elegant and refined in all her roles in this show so it's great to see her lose her shit (bonus points for the ridiculous frizzy hair).

And seeing all the talk above though... I figured Nan was set on the Supreme (which they seemed to emphasize with the neighbor) but what happens when the situation shifts? Is the Supreme centered on a generation or on a person? In other words, if Nan (or whoever the Supreme is) gets snuffed, does it shift to someone else or does it skip the current generation? Can someone "destined" to be a Supreme fail to meet her destiny if she fails those tests? Could multiple girls exhibit Supreme-like abilities and enter a "competition" to be said Supreme??!?

Seriously... consistently the most fun show on television for me, week in and week out.

lol

She's obviously been gunning for Fiona for a LONG time.

I too and starting to think perhaps Cordelia is the new Supreme.

I would definitely appreciate more adolescent flashbacks showcasing EXACTLY how much they've hated each other over the years, hah

down syndrome, which is an interesting point. Cordelia did say that the supreme would have perfect health...DS comes with its own set of health issues and problems (along with the fact that DS is a medical condition itself).

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Then again, that statement could have been planted for the convenient okie doke.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/connie-britton-wants-back-on-american-horror-story-20131031

Many American Horror Story people have come back to the show. Any chance you'll join them?

I hope so. I've actually have been talking to them this season, because they're down in New Orleans and I'm in Nashville. I'm said, "Okay, let's see if we can try to figure this out."

i'd feel like a dumb ass leaving this show for Nashville (and i watch Nashville to bath in Hayden's image in the brightest sexual landscapes of my warped mind)

Bassett is gorge... jeeez... that's all

>Bassett is gorge... jeeez... that's all

folk are clearly going to stan for Lange in these parts...

But Bassett...GAT DAMN. she ain't aged not a bit in the 55 years she's been on this Earth.

Google her...and see pics of her when she was a teenager to now. SHE LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME! NOT A WRINKLE!

Damn...I'd give up my gay card for Angela. Dead ass LOLOL

i told my lady while watching the episodes, you know she in her 50s right? she was like no way... i hit imbd... and we both just shook our heads in amazement. her and prince do not age

>i told my lady while watching the episodes, you know she in
>her 50s right? she was like no way... i hit imbd... and we
>both just shook our heads in amazement. her and prince do not
>age


i would! lol!

but yea it's a HOST of them that aren't aging and are pushing mid 40s and beyond:

Sanaa Lathan
Nia Long
Thandie Newton
Jennifer Beals
Angela Bassett
Nicole Ari Parker
Alfre Woodard (she's 60 years old and fine as hell)
Diahann Carroll (good fucking lord! 70s?! DAMN)
N'bushe Wright: she actually popped up in the news earlier this year for an LA theatre event...she looks just like she did when she appeared in Zebrahead...but with locs.

like said, Black woman in hollywood and Black women in general done tapped into that good fountain of youth.

While their White counterparts look ragged as fuck and sliced, diced and SNATCHED with Botox and plastic surgery smh

i damn near had to reevaluate my life decisions and why i hadn't put myself in a place to hollar at that women, lol

and shit Thandie too. I dont give a fuck if "typical" dudes think she's too skinny, she been a fav of mine for years and yup she still fine too

and you went and brought up that grown women crack of Beal's shieeet... i almost can't breathe thinking of how fine those women are in the 40s

Nicole Ari does show some age now tho IMO, kinda like Jada, but they also stomp all over their white actress counterparts

and she is beautiful. that doesn't negate Angela Bassett's abilities or beauty. Lange is a central figure in the AHS series, so yes it's constant talk of her because she has owned every role she has done since the series inception.

My only grip with Angela is her accent. She is acting, wonderfully. And yes she is beautiful but she won't get nominated for this role.

>and she is beautiful. that doesn't negate Angela Bassett's
>abilities or beauty. Lange is a central figure in the AHS
>series, so yes it's constant talk of her because she has owned
>every role she has done since the series inception.


you stan for Lange because she can act her ass off as I do.

What I was referring to was the fact that certain folk in here stan for her ass because she's white to the detriment of other folk on the show who aren't. that's where I was coming from.

Lange is the shit. She's been a master study in acting excellence for year. she keeps AHS grounded and running really.

>
>My only grip with Angela is her accent. She is acting,
>wonderfully. And yes she is beautiful but she won't get
>nominated for this role.



her accent *IS* off at times. so that could just be the difficulty with maintaining an accent (it's why so few actors DON'T do it that often)....

she won't but shes' still amazing.

>
>What I was referring to was the fact that certain folk in here
>stan for her ass because she's white to the detriment of other
>folk on the show who aren't. that's where I was coming from.
>

never was.

but it is for some of y'all...

I need Alfonso Gomez-Rejon to come back quickly.

Zoe was MVP this episode though.
wonder how Misty will play into all of this.

also i think Queenie should go to the voodoo team since she's a fucking voodoo doll.

She fine staying on the witch side.

she is the villain everyone loves. I got to be honest it did not once cross my mind that Fiona would have set up Myrtle in that manner. now i missed a few glimpses when Fiona was high and zoned out in the hospital (that was nice of her to bring back the dead baby), so maybe i missed something?

did Myrtle do it or not? she didn't seem to deny it when they confronted her she just kept saying Fiona needs to go...and of course, here comes Witchie Nicks to raise her back from the dead.

I need Spaulding to get rid of that body.

And I appreciate the flashbacks before the show starts.

I don't think of Fiona as a hero more than an anti-hero like Sister Jude last year.

I'm just glad Jessica Lange IS the center of the show this year. Last year she started off that way then got pushed to the background.

she really turns me on and steals damn near every scene shes in

Jessica Lange and Kathy Bates went the fuck in!!!

Not a dull moment in this episode. And it also moved the plot forward.

I'm guessing Zoe is the new supreme. Whatever she did was awesome. And got Leavru shook. The chainsaw reminded of Evil Dead in a good way.

Fiona is nothing to fuck wit at all. Master manipulator.

And fuck Lily Rabe for bringing back Myrtle.

Really interested in seeing where the storyline with the husband goes now that Sarah Paulson "saw" what he did.

Why no preview for next week's episode?

and her ability to see what he did...is this just manifesting now that she's blind OR did she always have this power, but hid it because she doesn't really want to use her powers in this way...i mean, we never really knew what Cordellia's powers were.

i do wonder about cordelia too
like what was her powers
and did the red haired witch really do it?
who did it?!

sleeve which hopefully gets revealed sooner than later.

because we really need to see what happens with her very soon

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

I almost felt sorry for LaLaurie. Almost.

like i couldn't watch more than 30 seconds at a time
but im a punk so....

How much fun was that?

.

Such a nice touch.

We already knew this was coming but this is early for FX. But, still great news nonethless.

FX REALLY needs to just green light back to back seasons for real.

http://www.deadline.com/2013/11/fxs-american-horror-story-renewed-for-fourth-cycle/

Four episodes into American Horror Story: Coven run, FX has picked up a fourth season of the horror franchise. Star Jessica Lange, who has been the center of the show since first cycle, is set to return as her current contract is through Season 4. She recently suggested publicly that she would likely depart after that. Because of the show’s format, featuring different stories and characters each season, it is unclear yet who else will come back but co-creator Ryan Murphy tends to find new characters for his core group of actors every year. “Put simply, Ryan Murphy is a master television producer,” FX Networks CEO John Landgraf said. “Every year, they create a riveting and brilliant new miniseries. AHS: Coven is the best yet, and I have no doubt that the next installment will be even better.” Four episodes in, Coven has far surpassed the ratings of both of its AHS predecessors, Murder House (2011) and Asylum (2012). Season-to date, AHS: Coven is averaging 7.74 million Total Viewers, 5.46 million Adults 18-49 and 3.14 million Adults 18-34. That is up +77% in Total Viewers, +67% in 18-49 and +60% in 18-34 over Murder House. Coven is outpacing Asylum by +83% in Total Viewers, +71% in 18-49, and +68% in 18-34. Remarkably, Coven, toplined by mature actress Lange, Kathy Bates and Angela Bassett, is easily on pace to set a record as the highest-rated adults 18-34 program in FX history. Episode 5 airs tonight.

Since its inception, the American Horror Story franchise, created by Murphy and Brad Falchuk, has amassed a total of 34 Emmy Award nominations. AHS: Murder House tied for the most nominations of any program in 2011 with 17, and AHS: Asylum received the most nominations of any program in 2012, also with 17. Coven’s cast includes Jessica Lange, Kathy Bates, Angela Bassett, Sarah Paulson, Evan Peters, Taissa Farmiga, Emma Roberts, Gabourey Sidibe, Frances Conroy, Lily Rabe, Denis O’Hare, Jamie Brewer, Alexander Dreymon, Josh Hamilton, Patti LuPone, and Danny Huston. Ryan Murphy, Brad Falchuk, Dante Di Loreto, Tim Minear, James Wong, Jennifer Salt, and Brad Buecker executive produce for 20th Century Fox TV.

...Ryan Murphy said he only want to do 7 seasons. And since we're moving to season 4 what's the harm of greenlighting three more seasons?

I mean shit they gave Sons a season 5 and 6 renewal during season 4. But like I said why not just go ahead and greenlight the last season while they're at it?

WHOOT! WHOOT! WHOOT! WHOOT!

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/11/07/american-horror-story-kathy-bates-angela-bassett-season-4/

This season of American Horror Story has seen the delicious additions of Kathy Bates and Angela Bassett to the cast, playing immortal archenemies Madame LaLaurie and Marie Laveaux, respectively. Now it looks like Coven might not be the last time we see the pair on the FX franchise: Series co-creator Ryan Murphy tells EW exclusively that he wants both stars to return for season 4, which was just announced.

“I have approached them and they wanna do it,” says Murphy. He adds, “That’s very exciting when you can work with A.) actresses you’ve always idolized and B.) those two are loving this season. They love what they get to do. Kathy Bates sent the writers a basket of plush toys all in the shapes of disemboweled organs. It doesn’t get better than when an Oscar winner sends you a grab bag of stuffed pancreas to say ‘Thank you and job well done.’”

Maybe they'll take over the show since Lange is leaving after next season. That's a hell of a trade off I'll gladly take.

i am excited!

This is a really special show in a time where most shows like this couldn't exist.

I'm really excited about this

>This is a really special show in a time where most shows like
>this couldn't exist.
>
>I'm really excited about this

agreed.

and AHS is paving the way for other horror based shows to pop up because a few years ago, ain't no way Witches of East End, ABC Family's Final Girl Pilot, ABC Family's Ravenswood, NBC's Hannibal (yea Bryan Fuller behind it but, a few years ago, even IF Fuller was attached, NBC wouldn't have touched it, etc. beacuse of who was running the network then)

im glad AHS is getting more seasons, i'm glad FX is backing it and i'm glad AHS is, quietly, the horror tv show that, whether directly or indirectly, gave other networks the license to do their own shows like this or similar in tone (horror) to this...

BUT THEY GON LEARN!!!!

smh

She ain't know, I know, but still....

>smh
>
>She ain't know, I know, but still....

she's fine. the show is an anthology and at the close of Season 1 she wasn't given any indication she'd be on the show secon season.

plus, she wanted her own show and got it with NASHVILLE. Plus if i'm not mistaked, NASHVILLE was written with her in mind by Callie Khouri (Thelma and Louise screenwriter), so she's fine.

And Connie already said she'd find a way to come back to AHS and already told the Nashville showrunners *AND* the networks to find a way to make it work if and when she does.

Mama is good. She's singing country (which she wanted to do/do a musical drama), she's carrying a show, she's getting low to mid 6 figures per episode...and she got her a nappy headed ass nigga child.

Mama is RIGHT. Don't hate.

And I am really, really happy Myrtle Snow is back.

Fiona vs Myrtle could be a feud for the ages.

Also, I'm getting the feeling now that the tease of the Supreme is gonna move around all season. Just this episode we saw potential for both Zoe and Queenie, and I'm not quite convinced Nan is out of the running either.

That just doesn't work.

It's alright...it's okay...there's something to live for... Jesus told me so!

They calling the shot before they make 'em. I LOVE what this show is doing.

http://www.parade.com/228713/scottneumyer/gabourey-sidibe-talks-american-horror-story-minotaur-kink-season-four-being-unconcerned-with-fitting-in/

By SCOTT NEUMYER@scottneumyer

Gabourey Sidibe has only been acting for four years, but she’s already accomplished more than many actors twice her age. Nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actress for her work in the 2009 film Precious, Sidibe brings the strength and confidence of a veteran actor to her performances, and that’s never been more evident than it is in her captivating run as Queenie, the “Human Voodoo Doll” witch on the FX series American Horror Story: Coven. Parade sat down with Sidibe to discuss this season of the hit show, being unconcerned with fitting in, racially charged storylines, and “taking the Minotaur by the horns.”

How did you get involved with American Horror Story: Coven?

American Horror Story has been my favorite show since it first aired and, somehow, I ended up on it! I can only speculate that I did something nice for someone once and so my prayers were answered.

What was your first thought when you found out about Queenie’s powers?

My first reaction, as it always is, was to freak out! I worked very hard to keep myself from screaming my joy into Ryan Murphy’s ear. I’ve fantasized about being a witch my entire life, and being a “Human Voodoo Doll” is just about the coolest power ever because it’s totally useful. Plus, I knew I’d get to do a lot of fun special-effects makeup and stunts like stabbing myself. I was really excited to learn how makeup artists use makeup (and I think just general, everyday magic) to fool the audience into believing I’m hurting myself or someone else.

Did Ryan Murphy give you any indication of just how absolutely crazy this season was going to get, or did you already expect that because it’s AHS?

As a fan of the previous seasons, I had a feeling about how crazy it could get. Ryan only spoke to me about my character. He was very secretive about the entire story. I assume it’s because he didn’t think I could be trusted yet. He was right. I was way too excited.

You couldn’t have imagined you’d be getting kinky with a Minotaur though, right?

Nope! Didn’t see it going there at all! Because of the extreme cool factor that comes along with the Ryan Murphy name, I just said, “Yes!” I knew I’d be challenged in a certain way and I knew that I needed to just go for it without knowing what would be asked of me because the reward would be greater than the risk. I knew to say yes and to step out with faith and trust in Ryan and his entire production team. I took the Minotaur by the horns.

What was your reaction when you read that scene in the script?

I wasn’t sure that I was actually reading what I was reading. I kept saying, “Wait… What? What’s happening? No, Queenie! No!” But I couldn’t stop laughing. Then I couldn’t stop feeling sad for both Queenie and the Minotaur. The sadness that brings them together is very powerful. I saw it as a very human moment for each character and it really moved me. I wanted to do that moment justice.

How do you think you’ve changed personally, and as an actor, in the four years you’ve been acting?

Personally, I’m much more introverted than I used to be. I’m less likely to talk to strangers or have loud or emotional conversations in public. I don’t make friends as willingly as I did before, so I hold on to my actual friends very dearly. I’m a very careful person now. As an actor, I’m much more willing to embarrass myself if it will serve the story. I hunger for strange and daring stories. I’m less and less afraid of dark material and that’s really saying something, as my first role was an illiterate sexual-abuse victim with HIV. I’m also less and less concerned with fitting in. I was born to stand out. I don’t care whether or not people will find me attractive on screen. That’s not why I became an actor. I know that more and more with each new role.

You and Angela Bassett are really the only two main cast members that are African-American and the show is dealing with some really racially charged subjects this season. Do you think those stories resonate deeper with you guys because of that connection?

I can’t speak for her, even though we have talked to each other about the racial aspect of this season. I will say this: During the first episode, there is a scene in Madame LaLaurie’s torture chamber, where she imprisoned her slaves. I went to see the set because I heard that it was really cool. I stepped in and saw those actors in cages and tattered clothes and saw the special effects scars on their bodies. I lost my breath and started having a minor panic attack and, after only a few seconds, I had to leave. I didn’t see actors playing on a set. I saw reality. I saw history. My history. My mother, my father, my entire family and everyone I know. I later threw up. I can’t say that it resonates deeper with me because I’m black. It resonates deeply with me because I’m black and because I’m a human being who has love for my fellow human beings. But I can’t say it’s deeper than anyone else just because I’m black, only because I know that it also resonated deeply with Kathy Bates as a southern-born, white woman.

You’ve gotten to work more closely with Kathy Bates than anyone other than Jessica Lange. Have you learned a lot from working with her?

Working with Kathy is so dope! I have a lot of scenes with her and I cherish them! I do learn from her. I mostly learn how to be able to really deliver a knockdown scene but to still have humor and light within you. Kathy means business emotionally, but she still gives me a smile and a warm hug at the beginning and end of each scene. I learn, like I do with all of these wonderful ladies, that your scene partner is as important to you as the words you say.

I spoke with Taissa Farmiga about a week ago and she said, “Gabby’s my homegirl.” How did you guys end up being such fast BFFs?

TeeTee is, honestly, my baby. She can do no wrong. Maybe it’s because we’re both from the East Coast or maybe it’s because we’re two of the coolest people in the universe and our awesomeness has attracted us to one another. I don’t know. I’m not a scientist. What I do know is that I love her and she’s just as much my homegirl as I am hers.

Without going into spoiler territory what can you tell us, however small, about what’s to come for Queenie the rest of this season?

This is tough. You can definitely expect more of this budding relationship between Queenie and Madame LaLaurie… but then you should expect the unexpected.

Word hit the Internet last week that AHS is coming back for season four. Are you coming back as well?

There will be a season four, for sure. As far as who’s coming back for it, I don’t know. I’m picking up every lucky penny that I can find.

Every year seems to add some really interesting actors to the mix. Is there anyone out there that you’d love to see added to the cast next year?

Maybe Neve Campbell in a throwback Scream Queen sort of way. Giancarlo Esposito because he’s an amazing actor. Also Kerry Washington. She’s got such a strong presence.

Do you have a favorite memory or moment, on screen or off, from your work on American Horror Story so far?

My favorite on-screen moment was the Minotaur. The director was Alfonso Gomez-Rejon, who is the show’s co-executive producer. Clearly it was a very sensitive scene, and it took a lot of emotion and preparation. Alfonso started preparing me for it weeks in advance and made me feel really comfortable with what I was doing and what my limits might be. I felt like I was doing something important to the story and that, in turn, I was being taken care of emotionally. I felt like a real actor with real talent and that I was being trusted with this story and this scene because of that talent. I was very proud of myself and thankful to Alfonso and Ryan Murphy for their trust in me. All of my favorite off-screen moments center around the friends I’ve made on this show. Swamp trips with the cast and Saturday night movies are my favorite!

American Horror Story: Coven airs on FX on Wednesdays at 10 PM EST.

but i don't care at all...

this interview proves how secure and how comfortable she is with herself and how intelligent and aware she is of her image and how people view her and how she just doesn't give a fuck.

I respect that.

And, she's been fantastic as Queenie.

she doesn't really get A LOT to do but she owns what she does get...

but unfortunately her skills dont pair up with the three heavies on the show
and it really shows

but the it shows for all the girls
those women are showing them how its done

seems like a great place for those girls to improve their chops
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

It would be dope to have Giancarlo Esposito on the show.
Like Jeffrey Wright, he is an underrated actor.
He's in heavy demand right now!
From Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" and "School Daze"
to "Breaking Bad" "Revolution" "Once Upon a Time" to
Will Smith's daddy in "Ali", it's his time!

Fucking releasing the Axeman?! C'mon son!!!

Fucking Leavru and Kyle teaming up to kill all the witches.

Cotdamn can't wait to see what happens next week.

.
>
>Cotdamn can't wait to see what happens next week.


did you see that she went to angela bassett?!
and angela said "i was wondering when you would come here"

yeah next week fitting to be good!

i was wondering when that was gonna go down.

>.
>>
>>Cotdamn can't wait to see what happens next week.
>
>
>did you see that she went to angela bassett?!
>and angela said "i was wondering when you would come here"
>
>yeah next week fitting to be good!

And I was like NNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next week is gonna be crazy.

>.
>>
>>Cotdamn can't wait to see what happens next week.
>
>
>did you see that she went to angela bassett?!
>and angela said "i was wondering when you would come here"
>
>yeah next week fitting to be good!


This^^^^

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

I disliked her in the first season too...there is a way to make a character inquisitive, conniving, without making her stupid and unlikeable. Look at Fiona. She just continuously makes the bad decisions time and time again, and essentially it's suppose to come all together in the end (the ends justify the means?) but the way it's presented its like she just wants to do what she wants to do.

ok you brought back one dead person and it ended up horribly, so let's bring back another?

you bring back the Axeman...after everyone said it's a bad idea.

Just bad decision after bad decision.

>I disliked her in the first season too...there is a way to
>make a character inquisitive, conniving, without making her
>stupid and unlikeable. Look at Fiona. She just continuously
>makes the bad decisions time and time again, and essentially
>it's suppose to come all together in the end (the ends justify
>the means?) but the way it's presented its like she just wants
>to do what she wants to do.
>
>ok you brought back one dead person and it ended up horribly,
>so let's bring back another?
>
>you bring back the Axeman...after everyone said it's a bad
>idea.
>
>Just bad decision after bad decision.

*daps* I co-sign all of this. All of this.

i dont know why
but i am

The story of the Axeman, the using of the letter he really wrote, the witches killing him...the way it was shot and directed...my favorite opening sequence of the series.

This was a really good episode despite Zoe's attempts to fuck it up. Finding out Cordelia's husband is a witch hunter made me stand up and yell! I knew he was some type of killer, but now to see that he did it that way (no remorse, no enjoyment, just killed her for the sake of killing her) explains a lot. I wonder how he really feels about Cordelia though. I wonder if she can't get pregnant because of LaVeau. I love that she has this new power and wonder how long it will be until she finds out the truth about Fiona and her husband. Quite clever how Zoe pointed out that the witches are dying and a few scenes later you find out that it's because there is a witch hunter.

The Axeman...oh my god YES LORD. i love how he really came back and wasn't set free to move on to the next world. I can't wait to see his interaction with Fiona. I am wondering if he knows she's a witch and now his sights are set on eliminating the witches.

This was a really good episode that drew me in and really had me wanting to know what will happen next. The previews for next week look interesting too.

They are going HAM

didnt care about the axeman


the witch killer was a zinger


but this seemed to be a filler episode
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

but this was definitely not a filler episode.

Setting up Axeman with Fiona, the revelation of the witch hunter, both Fiona and Zoe discovering new powers... a lot happened here.

I'd argue though that solely because of the pace of the show, there really *aren't* filler episodes in a season.

But I'm a homer though.

There wasn't a lot of action, but boy was there a lot of revelations. Don't know how you can call this a "filler" episode.

Cordelia being distraught over "Auntie Myrtle" being burned at the stake... apparently she plays a bigger role than just being on The Council.

There's a civil war brewing...

hmm that does sound crazy/ strang
oh myrtle was more than some other witch

overshadow her love for the coven and Cordelia. (During the council scene) and it was also alluded too that when Fiona left, Myrtle was the one who watched over Cordelia and the two had a strong relationship. so I thought her calling her aunt is just some respect type title.

>but this was definitely not a filler episode.


it felt extraneous and filler
very "lets give foina something to do"
same with this episode

hes a distraction for her and us

>Setting up Axeman with Fiona, the revelation of the witch
>hunter, both Fiona and Zoe discovering new powers... a lot
>happened here.
>
>I'd argue though that solely because of the pace of the show,
>there really *aren't* filler episodes in a season.
>
>But I'm a homer though.

the witch hunter was the only revelation
not alot happened
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

The Rubber Man to Bloody Face and now The Axeman.

I think it would be safe to say that he'll be far more than a "distraction"


... and we obviously saw that in tonight's episode, since he may know Fiona more than she knows herself.

So if you don't like the character, that's fine, but to dismiss him as "extraneous and filler" and "something for fiona to do" means you're missing the point

a Supreme.

extraneous/filler


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

1. Fiona never had real love, and he brings that to her. melts her cold heart. she needs someone while she's dying.

2. he watched over her for her whole life. with his help she became the supreme

his relevance will become even more apparent soon.

filler is the threesome story line.

>1. Fiona never had real love, and he brings that to her.
>melts her cold heart. she needs someone while she's dying.

that isnt love

>2. he watched over her for her whole life. with his help she
>became the supreme

dubious

>his relevance will become even more apparent soon.

doubtful


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

and the only prominent character that is not associated with the witches nor with voodoo... you seem awfully confident that the Axeman will have little to no bearing on the show.


Nevermind the fact that the Axeman is a direct parallel of both the Rubberman in S1 and Bloody Face in S2... both important characters in those seasons, so it's not exactly a leap of faith to think the Axeman will factor heavily in this season as well.

they have a design that it goes by each season...I notice that despite different stories. The Axeman is not insignificant at all and they are showing this to you...this is telegraphed. a lot of the things she thought she did, the Axeman had a hand in...he watched over, protected, and helped her...all that lead to her being the supreme. he's significant.

>and the only prominent character that is not associated with
>the witches nor with voodoo... you seem awfully confident that
>the Axeman will have little to no bearing on the show.


we are now two episodes later


looking more and more like filler
they use these odd maguffins like this?

kinda makes it worse
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

doesn't that make you *less* qualified to predict how the show will play out?

But whatevers, since you're so insistent on predicting the mechanics of a show which you haven't actually been following from the beginning, let's just hear from Ryan Murphy himself:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/american-horror-story-coven_n_4045759.html

This season's "big bad":
"There's two. The two big arch-villains this season are probably the Minotaur, which you see in the cold open , and then there's the Axeman. Those are the two sort of mythological creatures this season."

And from EW:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/04/american-horror-story-ryan-murphy-coven/

This year, the two big mythological arch villains – à la Rubber Man and Bloody Face — are The Minotaur (born, it seems, from LaLaurie’s treatment of her slaves) and “The Axeman” — which is apparently a reference to this serial killer.


Like I said before, it's fine if you don't like The Axeman. Doesn't matter to me. But his presence is IMPORTANT, per Ryan Murphy. No matter how much you try to argue to the contrary.

And if you haven't seen the first two seasons and have no idea how the show progresses, then how will you know what is (and more importantly, what ISN'T) filler?

>doesn't that make you *less* qualified to predict how the
>show will play out?
>
>But whatevers, since you're so insistent on predicting the
>mechanics of a show which you haven't actually been following
>from the beginning, let's just hear from Ryan Murphy himself:
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/american-horror-story-coven_n_4045759.html
>
>This season's "big bad":
>"There's two. The two big arch-villains this season are
>probably the Minotaur, which you see in the cold open >pilot], and then there's the Axeman. Those are the two sort of
>mythological creatures this season."
>
>And from EW:
>
>http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/04/american-horror-story-ryan-murphy-coven/
>
> This year, the two big mythological arch villains – à la
>Rubber Man and Bloody Face — are The Minotaur (born, it seems,
>from LaLaurie’s treatment of her slaves) and “The Axeman” —
>which is apparently a reference to this serial killer.
>
>
>Like I said before, it's fine if you don't like The Axeman.
>Doesn't matter to me. But his presence is IMPORTANT, per Ryan
>Murphy. No matter how much you try to argue to the contrary.
>
>And if you haven't seen the first two seasons and have no idea
>how the show progresses, then how will you know what is (and
>more importantly, what ISN'T) filler?


she admitted to being in love
but in the same episode shown to have no soul
my point stands she doesn't know what love is
but you point regarding his importance to her is valid


but note

how many episodes and he showed up for 5 secs in this episode

again macguffins is their standard??
again not good


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i was scurred :(

was there meaning in that?

Maybe she was looking directly at LaLaurie whilst applying?

If so... DAMN

Now this was a filler episode. Only a few major events:

-The threeway between FrankenKyle, FrankenMadison, and Zoe.

-Everyone pretty much plotting to kill Fiona

-And Queenie's betrayal of Madam LaLaurie

Other than that shit was hella boring today.

But why do we have to wait 2 weeks for 2 new episodes and then wait till January to finish off the season?

Remember during Season 1 when they ran this shit through Thanksgiving and Christmas?

They need to start doing that again...

and i see why they did the break here for the next week, because now it's no build up like i have to see what happens next, they are setting the stage for a big show in two weeks.

i liked Madison's soliloquy during the beginning.
I don't like Zoe. Period. I hated that she killed Spaulding.
I actually enjoyed the Axeman and Fiona's interaction and relationship. the fact that he had helped her for years leads me to believe that she may not have been the true Supreme (granted, we know she "cheated" in her own way but now we know she had additional help). that story line was interesting to me.
What's up with Witchie Nicks and Myrtle tho.
And Queenie setting up Lalaurie!! For an instance i thought maybe she'd be like nah...but once she heard that story about the baby she was like...HELL NO. got em.

Made her a lot more interesting to me, actually.

i'm ready for him to go

glad an older actress got a sex scene though
it was different



now was Laveau
being funny?
prepping for war?
staying young?


all three?

anyone else distrust her?
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Dude is just boring.

Does Murda Muff only kill during intercourse, or does any contact with her vagina kill you? I guess we're not going to find out, but this is going to bug me.

Anyone else think Queenie was going to swerve and attack Marie to save LaLaurie? I'm glad she didn't, but it seemed like it was setting up for that.

i missed the first episode
what's wrong with zoe?

>i missed the first episode
>what's wrong with zoe?

give them strokes

why?
not said
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lol

You fuck her and suffer the worst brain hemorrhage in history. Add to that before you die you bleed out your eyes and ears and everything else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzT_BMB5ZRM

NSFW (music)

Zing!

Nan, maybe? Or Swampie Nicks? Other than those two, everyone else just started acting hella evil as fuck! lol

I kinda feel like in the end, Fi an' Marie are gonna both get got, and Zoe and Queenie are gonna run the witches and the voodoo crew respectively. Probably usher in a new era where they work together since the numbers have dwindled in the coven.

I'm on board with this prediction

-the revelation about Spalding

-The religious mom and the son being taken out by Hank

-The plot to kill Fiona

-The big "Seven" moment at the end

-Kyle learning to talk and saying I love you to Zoe with Madison listening in. Bad news for those two

-Misty and Myrtle joining the coven

Poor Nan. She can't catch a break.

Queenie allows herself to be manipulated too easily.

Delphine should've know to keep her racist mouth shut.

could really be the supreme. Remember Fiona had the same difficulties, she could find a man but never love until the AxeMan. I hope the son didn't die...

Why they brought back the mom though?God Fiona just wanting to see something.

Queenie is a mess but LaLaurie is slick...I wonder if she's playing Queenie or Laveau...or is Queenie the "exception" to her racist beliefs?

That unholy threesome had to end somehow...it was a hot mess anyway. Why did Zoe ever agree?

Funny they tried to kill Fiona only to really need her in the end. She's the antagonist you love to hate but Cordelias attitude now is just so terrible. SO TERRIBLE.

>
>Delphine should've know to keep her racist mouth shut.

i'm like you of all people should know how people can be tortured and still live?
you this dumb?
really?
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so did myrtle not do it
since she didnt sense anything
when she hugged her?

what did the mom do to the son?

i think cordelia is the supreme

oh hank gonna get it

something tells me that queenie
isnt as stupid as we think

the mum gave the son an enema? I'm pretty sure that's what that was.

ain't no way i stayed for that

Ugh!

hoping maybe she was just gonna pour it on his back gash :(

meaning she's undead. Cordelia can't feel those who are dead. My observation (or guess)

i don't think she felt anything with myrtle bc myrtle didn't do anything

I did notice she didn't feel Myrtle but chalked it up to death. Hmmm...I wonder now.

i'll have to watch again but i'm pretty sure cordelia flashed quickly to myrtle burning on the stake

Yeah, Cordelia knew about Auntie Myrtle through Fiona, not Myrtle herself.

I hope this is intended and not a (relatively big) oversight.

Myrtle experienced...so i don't think it's a mistake. she saw Myrtle getting burned. her emotions that came from that stem from the fact that she lost her aunt and wasn't told.

>meaning she's undead. Cordelia can't feel those who are dead.
>My observation (or guess)

She can feel those who are dead. When she touched Madison that is how she learned that Fiona had killed her.

@rob_starrk

she saw it

ryan murphy. sir. SIR. im just about done w/ you.

Delphine is batshit cray in her flashback scenes obviously, but any scene of her current day she may be the funniest character on TV in a long while

With all the love going to the 4 older actresses rightfully so, Sarah Paulsen getting forgotten, she is killing it big time since she's lost her sight... her character is scary and amazing at the same time... hope she ultimately "wins" at the end, not sure what winning would be





@rob_starrk

>With all the love going to the 4 older actresses rightfully
>so, Sarah Paulsen getting forgotten, she is killing it big
>time since she's lost her sight... her character is scary and
>amazing at the same time... hope she ultimately "wins" at the
>end, not sure what winning would be



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"oh yeaaaaaaah!" - kool-aid man

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/04/american-horror-story-coven-lance-reddick/

The supernatural world of American Horror Story: Coven just got a little more crowded: EW has learned that Fringe‘s Lance Reddick will be joining the FX show as Papa Legba when the horror anthology returns in January. The character, described as Coven‘s version of “voodoo Satan,” plays a pivotal role in the life of Marie Laveau (Angela Bassett) and will be an important figure in the series’ remaining four episodes. Show co-creator Ryan Murphy teased Legba’s involvement in our recent EW AHS: Coven cover story: “You find out that’s how come Marie Laveau looks so good — because she sold her soul!”

in New Orleans history. This should be good!

>"oh yeaaaaaaah!" - kool-aid man
>
>http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/04/american-horror-story-coven-lance-reddick/
>
>The supernatural world of American Horror Story: Coven just
>got a little more crowded: EW has learned that Fringe‘s Lance
>Reddick will be joining the FX show as Papa Legba when the
>horror anthology returns in January. The character, described
>as Coven‘s version of “voodoo Satan,” plays a pivotal role in
>the life of Marie Laveau (Angela Bassett) and will be an
>important figure in the series’ remaining four episodes. Show
>co-creator Ryan Murphy teased Legba’s involvement in our
>recent EW AHS: Coven cover story: “You find out that’s how
>come Marie Laveau looks so good — because she sold her soul!”

this is exciting
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ante up on selling her soul to Papa Legba.

I *KNEW* there was a catch to her being alive for so long.

Now, Marie got to deal with Fiona, LaLurie, the mess she started with Hank (witch assassin) *AND* Papa Legba.

ooh, this shit gon be SO GOOD these last four eps.

But damn only four episodes left? This felt like a quick season.

I don't even know where to begin...

so there's a whole organization whose purpose is to wipe out witches and Hank...trying to prove something to his dad...decides he wants to be a killer instead of informant...welp. the reveal of who blinded his wife was surprising.

and finding the neighbor killer her husband and THEN she smothers her son at the end LORD

but let us NOT forget the last 10 min which was amazing...Hank coming through killing ALL the black people while Oh Freedom played...that was moving television. for a second i was confused on why Queenie offed herself like that then realized...OH.

so what's gonna happen to Lalaurie's head now?

I grinned just like Fiona did when Marie rolled thru at the end.

my hands were covering my mouth and i was like WHAT NEXT LAWD? WHAT NEXT?!?!!

You think Queenie really dead, will she be brought back to life?

my friend said she thinks fiona used mind control on hank. i don't think that...i think he realized he loved cordelia and didn't want to be in allegiance with laveau anymore.

damn hank smh

like ALL too much
i cant believe queenie is gone :(
i liked her

but wait
why would lavaeu go to the witches when she
wanted hank to to kill them?
that is so weird to me

i KNEW that the mom was gonna kill the son
how did he think that wasnt gonna happen
that mom was CRAZY

note:
i dont like how they portrayed christians in this movie

she wants to tell the witches, this is who hank is and his plan, and she will probably fake like he came to me for help but i said no. that's my theory.

Another fucking fire episode.

I don't know how RM is gonna top this season. I just don't know how...

I think Myrtle may be one of my fave characters ever. I was totally caught off guard when she scoped out those eyes. I was so !!! @ the last 10 minutes that I woke up this morning and rewatched the whole ep, lol. I'm pretty sure Queenie is done too, I mean those bullets dude used are specifically made to kill witches, and she blew her brains right the fuck out, so I think putting her back together may be out of the question...stranger things have happened on this show tho, so who knows. I'm kinda pissed we don't get any new eps until next year.

myrtle...the eyes OMG

the crazy mom...smh

queenie....awww damn

like


damn!

daymn

aw damn =(
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not my Queenie. I ain't want her to go out like that. :(

she went out like a G though



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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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I'm guessing there's a decent shot we'll get another resurrection scene... gotta get the band back together right?

But yeah lotta swerves this episode... I think I liked the conflict better when it was Voodoo vs Witches, but let's see what The Corporation brings to the table.

- Myrtle is suddenly REAL sketchy... Corporation insider? Blinding Cordelia was authorized but it was never clear WHO did it. And maybe removing her "visions" (and not restoring her vision) was the point of the exercise all along... (bonus points for awesome revenge scene)

- What role does LaLaurie play in this? She's headless so she really can't do anything, but the presumption is that she's going to sacrifice *something* for Queenie, right?

- Luke's death is gonna hit Nan HARD. Someone's head is gonna blow up when she gets mad.

- I'm thinking Cordelia or Zoe will end up being the Supreme. Zoe's role isn't as clearly defined as the others, and she's the only one aware of the expansion of her powers.

that's interesting that she'd restore her sight to remove her visions..I mean I think we all kinda figured that...if she got her sight back, the visions would leave.

but yeah i do wonder who the insider is...because it's not Hank.

Oh i want to add Hank dying and the scene with his dad seeing the pictures...how did he get the pictures so fast? surveillance? if not, who took those pictures and sent them to him?

so far except for the two from the counsel

no one has truly died on the damn show

and Myrtle made sure they arent coming back lol
so...have hope
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killer line!
http://instagram.com/chi_soul
http://cdn.hiphopdx.com//images/audio/6-Sean_Price_304x304.jpg

It just got put up on Netflix and was finally able to finish the season. I came straight here to comment on it and it was in the archives:(

Doesn't it make sense to leave shows out of archives since folks will be discovering them at different times on Netflixs?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

I agree I just saw season 1 on netflix and I want to discuss that. It was good but it has several plot holes.

The first 4 or 5 epiodes had me thinking this was the best season yet. but over the last 5-6 episodes, I've started to get a little indifferent on this show.

The Axe man storyline was incredibly boring imo.

This last episode before the break was the best one in weeks so I'm definitely riding the season out, but I just expected more from this season when it started so strong.

Nice return, best episode in a while. Loved that we got some more backstory on Leveau.

RIP Nan, though. What a way to go out.

How do you recover from being told you do not have a soul? To the point where no one wants anything you have? Damn!

Am I the only one who thought of Rapunzel with Papa Legba, Laveau and the baby? Especially with all the hair Laveau has on her head.

And how about Fiona blaming her daughter more than Laveau? She slapped the shit out of her.

>
>And how about Fiona blaming her daughter more than Laveau?
>She slapped the shit out of her.

Nah, I understood that.... She needed to be a LOT more careful about who she let in her house. It took, what? 30mins of googling to find dude posted up w/his big chief witchhunter daddy? You EXPECT your enemy to come for your head - you expect those close to you to protect ya neck - Lavreaux played her role, Cordelia didn't.

>>
>>And how about Fiona blaming her daughter more than Laveau?
>>She slapped the shit out of her.
>
>Nah, I understood that.... She needed to be a LOT more careful
>about who she let in her house. It took, what? 30mins of
>googling to find dude posted up w/his big chief witchhunter
>daddy? You EXPECT your enemy to come for your head - you
>expect those close to you to protect ya neck - Lavreaux played
>her role, Cordelia didn't.

i didn't like it
but damn girl you stupid
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That consumed their souls and had them committing atrocities for power. He only stood at the doorway.

thats first and foremost.

See Nan was really coming into her powers, and I wonder how Laveau and Fiona managed to get her in the bathroom and kill her without her fighting...like she reads minds, she didn't know...

I don't think Witchie Nicks is the next surpreme. Madison is still a bitch that we all hate now...The witch hunters losing everything...that was interesting.

i was glad the axeman came back! i was missing him. oooh and papa legba shutting fiona down at first. YES.

i think this was a good set up for the finale...what do we have 3 more shows? it's all culminating to the end now. i'm loving it.

i think this is my fav season so far.

did she really kill her?
because witchie nicks said that she knows how to
revive herself

i still hate madison.

she just hit her on the head and had her buried in the grave. I think she was just buried alive, which sucks.

>she just hit her on the head and had her buried in the grave.
>I think she was just buried alive, which sucks.

one o them is gonna get her out
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She is one of my favorite characters this season.

Straight makin video game noises from ghosts and goblins and shit

myrtle was so funny last night
she told cordelia to make salad dressing or become a cruise ship director :D

you can bottle it up and sell it. OH THE SHADE.

>myrtle was so funny last night
>she told cordelia to make salad dressing or become a cruise
>ship director :D
>

it was hilarious
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that and Lange bugging on her daughter were the two highlights to me of an otherwise boring episode

@rob_starrk

it was odd i expected more flair


the singing was great though
and i still love her



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man i know disney/fox crossover when i see it

http://lostinreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/frogvillain.jpg

*****SPOILER ALERT*****

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/01/09/american-horror-story-coven-ryan-murphy-stevie-nicks/

The “White Witch” finally made her much-anticipated debut last night on American Horror Story: Coven. Yes, the one and only Stevie Nicks popped up as a pal of Fiona’s and gave the Miss Robichaux ladies a little private concert. Elsewhere, Nan, Joan and (maybe?) Misty perished. Plus, Marie did an awesome thing her tongue. EW talked to co-creator Ryan Murphy about all this and more, like which witches are gone for good.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Let’s talk about Stevie first. Did she have a blast? How did she feel about the experience?

RYAN MURPHY: She did have a blast. She was nervous because she’s never acted. But it’s one of those weird things where you mythologize somebody for months and months and months in the scripts and then you tell the actors “Oh by the way, that person is coming.” So the anticipation for her on the set with the cast and the crew was great and everybody wanted to meet her and take pictures with her and talk to her. She’s one of those ladies that’s so gracious. She’s just an amazing soul and kind. I love that she did those songs. She just had a ball. She was also very interested in the acting part of it so she spent a lot of time on set watching them and really getting into it. Everybody couldn’t say enough good things about Stevie Nicks nor could I. She’s a great person.

EW: How did you come up with which songs she sings?

RM: I chose “Rhiannon.” At the end, I definitely knew I wanted her to do “Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You” which is one of my favorite songs. I thought it oddly applied to the Jessica Lange character where Fiona has had all these great opportunities and squandered them and is just looking for some peace after her horrific acts. So that was great and Stevie loved that idea. And “Rhiannon,” we put that in the script months ago and at that point I hadn’t even imagined Stevie could do the show. That song is very witchy and fun.

EW: Now, everyone at home can learn to twirl like Stevie Nicks.

RM: I’ve seen her in concert and Stevie Nicks is famous for her twirling and her shawl changes. I said to the writers, “Do you think Stevie would have a sense of humor about this?” Knowing her I thought I think she’ll go for it and she did. Nobody twirls like Stevie Nicks.

EW: Lily is a pretty good twirler.

RM: All the girls watched Stevie Nicks on repeat to get that twirl down, believe you me.

EW: And she’ll be back still?

RM: Yes, she’s the complete cold opening of the last episode.

EW: Can you say if she sings?

RM: Oh yes! Yes! It’s a Stevie Nicks music video extravagaaaaanza!

EW: Misty sort of had the best day and the worst day. She met Stevie and then was buried alive by Madison. Is that the last we’ve seen of her?

RM: Well there’s two things going on with Misty Day. How does one get out of a tomb? Can she get out of it or is she buried alive? We’ll revisit her torment as the clock is ticking.

I think that might have been one of our favorite scenes we’ve ever done with Lily and Emma. I love how Emma twirls away. It was great fun!

EW: Speaking of people dying, is Joan really dead? Also, I love that you got Patti LuPone to drink bleach. Only you, Ryan Murphy!

RM: I know. God bless Patti LuPone. Yes that is the end of Patti LuPone’s character this season.

EW: Have you talked to her about coming back for season four?

RM: You know there’s always a place for Patti on the show. I wanted her to do more episodes. The thing about Patti is she has such an extensive life as a concert vocalist and she travels all over the country. We were just lucky to get her for the number of episodes we did. Everybody knows she’s a great singer but I thought her acting was incredible. I thought she took a very big character and made it very real and relatable and not insane. I think she’s fantastic.

EW: What about Nan? Is she definitely dead?

RM: Nan is sadly gone for good. I can confirm that Nan is no more.

EW: So Marie gives Papa Legba a baby each year to maintain immortality? Does he like eat that baby? What does he do with them?

RM: It’s not always a baby—it’s an innocent soul. I just think he takes them, he collects them. That’s based on a long myth of that character. I like that there’s a voodoo version of the devil.

EW: His look was great. He was sorta like a scarier Rob Zombie.

RM: We worked on his look. He’s a very fascinating character. There’s a lot of pictures of different versions of what he looked like. So we looked a lot of them and took a bit from this and a bit from that but he does have sort of a great Rob Zombie style.

EW: He’s back for more episodes, too, right?

RM: Oh yeah. Papa is back.

EW: One of my favorite moments all season is Angela Bassett sticking out her tongue rapidly and screaming in the opening sequence. Who came up with that?

RM: Alfonso is such a great director. I think that’s something that he and Angela came up with together. She’s come up with her own Marie Laveau vernacular and we’re glad she has!

EW: Will the truce between Marie and Fiona hold?

RM: Well we have been building towards a truce and I think the viewers want there to be. If you’re watching the show, you’re very invested in these two powerful women joining forces because then they would be unstoppable. But Fiona is not to be trusted and neither is Marie. Is it real? Do they have an agenda and what is that agenda? We explore that in the next couple of episodes.

EW: We didn’t see LaLaurie in this episode. Will she be back next week?

RM: Yes. Next week is Kathy’s heaviest episode that we’ve ever done with her on the show. It’s a great episode for her. It’s really upsetting because a lot of it is about the origin story for Madame LaLaurie. We read a lot about her and the question I always had is How does this woman who’s a cultured socialite and someone educated become such a brutal serial killer monster? Where does that come from? What was the first moment where she did what she did? We see that, we explore that. It’s a great Kathy Bates gets her revenge moment.

EW: We didn’t see Queenie either. Is there a chance we’ll see her again?

RM: Yes Queenie is in the next episode. We find out what happens to her.

EW: It seems to be building to a battle between the witch hunters and the covens. Will that happen sooner rather than later?

RM: That’s next week’s episode which is called “Protect the Coven” so all the stories in that are about different people having their own agendas about having to protect that sect of witchdom. There’s a great, great scene that is a big stand-off that we do in there that I give Jessica Lange complete credit for.

EW: Cordelia had such a bummer episode. Will she figure out her place?

RM: I don’t know that she’s so much lost as she doesn’t have a belief in her powers. The question is Can she come into her own? Will she come into her own?

EW: So will things get better for her?

RM: It gets much worse before it gets better, in typical fashion. The next episode Sarah had to do one of the most upsetting things she’s ever had to do on the show but it’s great. She’s really desperate to get that power back and what lengths will she go to do it?

EW: What was Myrtle playing?!

RM: A theremin. If you’re a fan of science fiction films of the ‘50s, it’s connected to horror/outer space movies usually. It’s just a very odd instrument that’s very specific to the sci-fi horror genre. I just thought Myrtle would definitely play and instrument and it had to be the theremin.

EW: One of my favorite images—and this is what the spin-off should be—is Myrtle’s suggestion that Cordelia become a cruise director.

RM: Right? I love that. Poor Myrtle. I thought that was really funny. Myrtle means well but her advice is terrible.

yooo spades read this
good news!



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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

and kate is rabid!


i think folks who were mad about kates character being inexplicably docile
should be happy now
man that woman
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/01/15/american-horror-story-season-4-year/

American Horror Story: Coven is beginning to wrap up its phenomenal season (tonight’s episode is a doozy) but co-creator Ryan Murphy has already begun plotting and planning his fourth installment of the FX franchise…as well as peppering the final episodes with tiny hints as to next year’s plot. “It’s set in 1950,” Murphy reveals exclusively to EW. “If you look historically what happened in the year 1950, there’s some more clues in that year. It’s a period piece. We try and do the opposite of what we’ve done before. Jessica Lange has already started practicing her German accent so I’m very excited!”

Hmmm. 1950. German accent. Start guessing, AHS fans!!!

lmao.

SPOILER
*WHY was it a good idea for the Witch Hunters to meet with the Coven? How did they think it was going to end? It was the witches or the hunters...and the hunters weren't on their own turf.
I am tired of Madison.
And Myrtle's ass is being so sneaky and I can't pinpoint why yet. What is her angle other than disliking Fiona? Its something else.
I think watching those videos made LaLaurie even worse.

Axeman was enjoying himself, lol.

Did I see a shout-out to 'The Help' in the shit eating scene?

Nan shole would've been a welcome site in this episode. James didn't have to get tortured like that.

I hollered when I saw those magic 'Benadryl' tablets! But I didn't make the connection that he was going after the baby. Poor thing.

So much was going on in this episode. I'm tired, lol.

i wont be able to take it if he does

i think he might be inclined to kill the baby so the baby stays a baby forever.

that's a theme in this series too...babies.
I'm just catching it but each season, TWO babies were introduced some way some how. Will another baby pop up? Cordellia ending up pregnant by the dead witch hunter.

on their own


*looks at camera*


LOL
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Laughing.

So much went down in this episode cotdamn.

i mean really?
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I don't get the stubbornness. It's fine if you don't like the character, but to continue to try to argue that the character is "insignificant" is being willfully foolish.

Nevermind the fact that The Axeman is continuing a major recurring theme through three seasons now.

As for the whole "well, the witches could do it themselves" argument? They alluded to that in the discussions, about how they could "keep their guns". They weren't expecting an ambush from the help, and were lulled into a false sense of security. By the time they realized it, it was too late.

Last I checked, witches can still die by guns.

>I don't get the stubbornness. It's fine if you don't like
>the character, but to continue to try to argue that the
>character is "insignificant" is being willfully foolish.


so are you saying if that character wasnt there
they wouldnt have tried to kill those men?


>Nevermind the fact that The Axeman is continuing a major
>recurring theme through three seasons now.


again i didn't watch the first two
and i'm having less and less interest in doing so

>As for the whole "well, the witches could do it themselves"
>argument? They alluded to that in the discussions, about how
>they could "keep their guns". They weren't expecting an
>ambush from the help, and were lulled into a false sense of
>security. By the time they realized it, it was too late.
>
>Last I checked, witches can still die by guns.

and come back to life
like most of the other witches on the show
again
not very important
and looking less and less so by the keystroke
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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that the creator is making mistakes on his own show?

Based on your less-than-one-season's worth of viewing experience?

Think about that for a second.

>that the creator is making mistakes on his own show?
>
>Based on your less-than-one-season's worth of viewing
>experience?
>
>Think about that for a second.

because yes the axeman is looking real extra at the moment
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***W/ SLIGHT SPOILAGE***

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/01/16/american-horror-story-ryan-murphy-protect-the-coven/

On the latest American Horror Story: Coven, we learned what makes Madame LaLaurie tick, and it wasn’t pretty. Meanwhile, Spalding introduced her to the magical powers of antihistamines, and Fiona got all ax-happy on the witch hunters. EW talked to co-creator Ryan Murphy about the latest Coven as well as the easter eggs for season 4 he’s begun hiding in these episodes.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Tonight we learned that LaLaurie’s gruesome torturing of slaves was inspired by her interest in people’s biology. Was that something you all invented? Or was that inspired by the real LaLaurie?

RYAN MURPHY: That was based on stuff where we read about her fascination with peeling people’s faces off. She was fascinated with anatomy and she was fascinated with how things worked. So with that research in mind, we did make that conclusion that’s probably why she did it. But also historically with a lot of crazy deranged serial killers, a lot of that behavior starts with a desensitization that starts when you are 10-14 and you see something die and you cut it open. Dahmer started that way. There are a lot of male serial killers that had that fascination with killing little pets and birds. So we applied that stuff that we know now to the LaLaurie psychology. Nothing that we did with her could we prove 100 percent. We just tried to get inside her head and figure out like “My God, what a monster, and how could anybody do that?”

EW: She was starting to get a little likable for a while, and now she is definitely not.

RM: I never thought that. People said that, but I think she’s likable only because Kathy Bates is so charming. When I saw Misery, I loved that character. Kathy is a real genius at getting to the heart and humor of someone and that goes a long way. We got a lot of comments about that.
We also got a lot of comments about people really misunderstanding Kathy Bates’ head crying . She was not crying because she was moved; she was crying for another reason that she reveals in the next two episodes. I always thought she was one of the most dastardly people we’ve ever attempted.

EW: I do enjoy that LaLaurie and Spalding are like a duo now.

RM: My favorite part of that is the magical elixir known as Benadryl. The Benadryl people were really cool about it. We could show the box, but we couldn’t say the word. I was like, “Okay, we’ll take that.”

EW: I don’t think Jessica Lange has ever done something so gruesome in her AHS run than taking an ax to someone’s head.

RM: Well, that’s a good story, because we originally wrote that a completely different way. I’ve always been very conscious of the fact that two-time Oscar winner Jessica Lange sometimes does not enjoy the gore of the show. So we wrote that scene originally with Angela and Jessica on Skype and that they refused to show up. The entire scene was going to be them on this big TV screen, watching the guys being massacred and thus being protected. Jessica read it and said, “Well why does The Axeman get to have all the fun? I want to be in that room.” So we rewrote it, and I think she was right.

EW: I love that Marie Laveau requests a Diet Sprite. She’s immortal but watching her figure.

RM: Didn’t you love that?

EW: So Marie has been knocked unconscious. What can you say about what will happen to her?

RM: Basically what she was going to do to Kathy Bates, which she did — Marie cut Delphine into many, many parts and threatened to scatter her around the city — Kathy does that same thing to Marie. Marie is still alive, but her body parts are scattered all over the city, perhaps never to be united again. The question in the next episode: Who can put this very glamorous Humpty Dumpty back together again?

EW: So will we see Angela Bassett as just a head?

RM: No. You’ll see Angela Bassett again in the next episode, but that’s the question. It was always going to be Marie against Delphine. The next episode addresses what will become of this rivalry and who will win, ultimately. That’s really what it’s about.

EW: Will Fiona and The Axeman get a happy ending? Those don’t really happen on American Horror Story.

RM: Well, the entire episode is really about, What is Fiona going to do? She said her plan: She’s going to identify the Supreme. Kill that Supreme. Guarantee herself another run of life and run away with The Axeman. So the next episode is about that, about Fiona and The Axeman and their deadly plan to kill everyone.

EW: Speaking of running away, Zoe and Kyle seemed to leave town. Are they gone for good?

RM: They are in the next episode. We see what happens when they go to Epcot. They’re going to Epcot. I’m absolutely obsessed with Myrtle giving them her jar of jewelry.

EW: That entire scene of Myrtle’s explanation of her jewelry and her past made me think you were responsible for that, like the Lee Radziwill and Diane Von Furstenberg mentions.

RM: You are correct! I love all that stuff. I was like, “Let’s write a monologue and I can put all my obsessions in.” It’s always so fun to give Franny any monologue. Franny never breaks character. Sarah Paulson, for example, has an incredibly difficult time keeping it together and always bursts out laughing.

EW: You had told me last week that Cordelia does something terrible, and holy hell. How did you guys even shoot that? Were those CG scissors?

RM: You have the eye poker-outer device, and basically you cut it in half. So Sarah’s holding the base. Then, in post, you add the long part that touches the eye. That was an incredibly brutal scene to do, but Sarah likes that stuff. Perhaps of all the actresses on the show, Sarah likes stuff that’s really out there, because she likes to go for it, she likes to try it. I like to see how far, how willing Cordelia is to go to, as the title suggests, protect the coven. She will go as far as to blind herself. In many ways for me, she is the most heroic character of the whole season. She’s the only one we’ve established from day one who puts her interests second. The coven is more important to her than herself.

EW: We never saw the aftermath. Will she get the second sight back?

RM: The whole next episode is Cordelia realizing her mother’s plan, which is to kill everyone and leave with The Axeman. Cordelia is obviously Fiona’s daughter in many ways other than she’s got some of that sass and smarts. So can she save the day? Or will she herself perish?

EW: It seems like there’s more and more potential Supremes. Will it become more clear?

RM: No, I think it becomes more clear. There’s an interesting thing we said early and repeat again that in times of crisis, witches’ power rise. So the next two episodes are really about: Who is the Supreme? But then again, Fiona could kill them all and the entire last episode could just be about Fiona shopping in Paris with The Axeman, so you have to watch.

EW: We didn’t see Misty this episode. Will we see her again?

RM: Well, time’s running out for Misty. She’s trapped in that tomb. And there’s not a lot of oxygen in those tombs, and people usually die of dehydration after three days. We we do address what happens or happened to her, yes.

EW: You had told me before that you would start putting in teases for season 4 in the final episodes. Is there one in this episode?

RM: Yes. There has been in the last episode actually, looking back at it. The easter eggs are there.

EW: Can you give us an idea of what we should be looking for?

RM: Never!

i am loving me some ryan murphy

yay the serial killer...killed


it just wasnt impactful like i saw them trying so hard to set up

angela killing impactful
lange everytime she kills also impact

that dude was eh meh
it didn't get interesting until langes part

fine hes her mojo but its some sad mojo
she was killing just fine before dude came along
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

but Fiona and Marie were never intended to be a part of that meeting (it was originally written to be conducted through Skype).

So yes, The Axeman was always going to be impactful, regardless of your dwindling reasons on why he shouldn't be.

And you still don't understand his character after this episode? Trying to relegate him to Fiona's "sad mojo" means you never understood her character from the very beginning.

Her decision to seek a "normal" life is VERY symbolic, considering she's never once experienced anything close to that. Serial killer or not, the Axeman represents a material shift in Fiona's priorities, whether you like it or not.

>but Fiona and Marie were never intended to be a part of that
>meeting (it was originally written to be conducted through
>Skype).


nope missed that


>So yes, The Axeman was always going to be impactful,
>regardless of your dwindling reasons on why he shouldn't be.

they are actually still the same
the rationale given is still very weak
you must admit

>And you still don't understand his character after this
>episode? Trying to relegate him to Fiona's "sad mojo" means
>you never understood her character from the very beginning.

um she wants to be powerful and stay alive


>Her decision to seek a "normal" life is VERY symbolic,
>considering she's never once experienced anything close to
>that. Serial killer or not, the Axeman represents a material
>shift in Fiona's priorities, whether you like it or not.

she wants to die and not have power?
what is the "significant" shift?

those other women shouldnt worry that she would kill them?
is she seeking to be a truly good witch now?
she is going to run off with dude and never kill again? those witches are now safe?
(you really believe that? REALLY??)
again
what shift?
what SIGNIFICANT shift?

she has a tool to aid her in what are still the exact same motives
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

You need to stop trying to use your opinion as fact. Especially since you're the only one here that carries that opinion.

Fact is, there is a recurring theme of "serial killer" in a series called American Horror Story... not exactly a stretch. That theme continues with The Axeman, reiterated in multiple places by Ryan Murphy. Again, it's fine if you dislike the character, but to discount his significance in either the series or this season is factually WRONG.

> nope missed that

Great, just another piece of mounds of evidence killing your argument. You can argue all you want about "oh the witches would have killed them anyways" or "they didn't need him there" but the original script had The Axeman killing the witch hunters. This is fact. The only reason for the revision was because Jessica Lange uncharacteristically wanted to join in on the violent fun, so Murphy rewrote the scene for her sake.

> they are actually still the same
> the rationale given is still very weak
> you must admit

Admit what? Are you daft?

Every single argument of mine is backed up by the show and RYAN MURPHY HIMSELF. And other posters on this board. And every article that's been written on the show and/or The Axeman. You're the only trying to carry on this silly argument with increasingly weak (or non-existent) reasoning.

> um she wants to be powerful and stay alive

> she wants to die and not have power?
> what is the "significant" shift?

> she wants to die and not have power?
> what is the "significant" shift?

She wants to be a 'farm wife'. If that doesn't signify a "signficant shift" in her priorities, then I can't help you.

Lfresh already admitted she didn't see the first two seasons so she is at a disadvantage when it comes to the layout/set up of the show. All of the serial killer arch-types have had a significant role in the show that might not be revealed until the end (remember the Rubber Man? it wasn't until the last few episodes we learn 1. who he is and 2. the pregnancy). all relevant to that season.

Bloody Face in Season 2...who is the serial killer but not the focus of the series. We learn who he is later and his significance.

Same with Axeman...
I think the re-write is a bit crazy because to be HONEST if the witches wanted to kill the men, they COULD have done it without them meeting. That was unnecessary (and to me, a bit silly. I wish it would have stayed the way it should have been). The Axeman has served as Fiona's love interest, he loved her from the beginning...he helped her. a lot of her accomplishments in her youth can be attributed to others. she's powerful but she had a lot of help. significant considering she's the supreme. I think more will be revealed about him in the next episode. I'm waiting for the big reveal about him.

But again to write him off is silly...we see the significance because we KNOW the series. You know whose irrelevant...the next door neighbors. That was filler. but the axeman? nah.

dial this back

you still haven't come forth on the significant thing(s) he has done so far

again we have a serial killer that...killed
for a character
more than willing to kill
two in fact

you say there will be more of this type of significance
i'm saying so far she has stayed true to character
so yes i'm failing to see what kind of significance he could be
again up to now
its been meh
eh
why is dude here?

but i'm to wait for more...significance?
oookay

this is some miracle on 34th street shit right now wally
f'real
here is where i'm at with it
http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1879121

this end game better be good dammnit
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Miss me with this "I'm waiting for MORE significance" crap

Nevermind the fact that you still haven't addressed the fact that the creator of the damn show expressly stated the significance of the character

Until then you're just a dog that keeps running into traffic, not learning a cot damn thing

>Until then you're just a dog that keeps running into traffic,
>not learning a cot damn thing

keep posting crappy movies though
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And most of the movies I "pushed" have been generally well received. So point to some evidence of movies, I pushed that were truly shitty. Keep in mind, I made posts of movies I was looking forward too, and THEN I SAID we're horrible upon seeing them.

I'll wait...

by a first time director?

yeah
no



>And most of the movies I "pushed" have been generally well
>received. So point to some evidence of movies, I pushed that
>were truly shitty. Keep in mind, I made posts of movies I was
>looking forward too, and THEN I SAID we're horrible upon
>seeing them.
>
>I'll wait...

why are you acting like your name and the movie attached generally do not suck?
its not news

you have awful taste in films
a simple search by author name is easy

dont be mad at me because i'm not a bandwagon type
its your lane
*shrug*
enjoy it
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>by a first time director?
>
>yeah
>no
>

Just because it got into Sundance doesn't automatically make it good.


>
>>And most of the movies I "pushed" have been generally well
>>received. So point to some evidence of movies, I pushed that
>>were truly shitty. Keep in mind, I made posts of movies I
>was
>>looking forward too, and THEN I SAID we're horrible upon
>>seeing them.
>>
>>I'll wait...
>
>why are you acting like your name and the movie attached
>generally do not suck?
>its not news
>
>you have awful taste in films
>a simple search by author name is easy
>
>dont be mad at me because i'm not a bandwagon type
>its your lane
>*shrug*
>enjoy it
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.


Okay. So list some. Like I said most movies with my name attached have been generally well received. Whereas movies attached to your name have not been. Your TV show selection has been solid, but not your films.

Again, I'll wait...

(BTW you're never gonna win this)

>>by a first time director?
>>
>>yeah
>>no
>>
>
>Just because it got into Sundance doesn't automatically make
>it good.



it shows promise
major promise
promise that you and others tried very hard to stamp out
on a damn pitch reel no less
on the flimsy-est of reasons



>Okay. So list some. Like I said most movies with my name
>attached have been generally well received. Whereas movies
>attached to your name have not been. Your TV show selection
>has been solid, but not your films.
>
>Again, I'll wait...
>
>(BTW you're never gonna win this)


ive done enough explaining in here actually
like i said click list by author
its enough
next!


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

>>>by a first time director?
>>>
>>>yeah
>>>no
>>>
>>
>>Just because it got into Sundance doesn't automatically make
>>it good.
>
>
>
>it shows promise
>major promise
>promise that you and others tried very hard to stamp out
>on a damn pitch reel no less
>on the flimsy-est of reasons

Showed promise to the people who run Sundance and how many movies from Sundance in recent years go on to have major staying power. A handful at best.

>
>>Okay. So list some. Like I said most movies with my name
>>attached have been generally well received. Whereas movies
>>attached to your name have not been. Your TV show selection
>>has been solid, but not your films.
>>
>>Again, I'll wait...
>>
>>(BTW you're never gonna win this)
>
>
>ive done enough explaining in here actually
>like i said click list by author
>its enough
>next!
>
>
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.

You are not good at arguing with proof. Every time you post you fail to bring up good points and/or proof on why you're right. And the points you constantly make are flimsy at best.

Like I said most movies I hyped go on to be well recvieved so your point is moot.

And seeing as your callow reasons on watching something is if someone is hot or not is proof enough that you're vapid and have the mind of a 15 year old girl.

how?
you have work going to sundance?

you want to belittle someone elses work
which you should know without studio support is extremely hard to do

and you continue to do so

>Showed promise to the people who run Sundance and how many
>movies from Sundance in recent years go on to have major
>staying power. A handful at best.



and you want the fact that you work for a major studio to be held in some significance
let alone ad good work?
for YOU specifically???


man sit down



>And seeing as your callow reasons on watching something is if
>someone is hot or not is proof enough that you're vapid and
>have the mind of a 15 year old girl.

ah your feelings got hurt

note your made similar statements
the difference between mine and yours
the power differential os who runs the studios and the crap
you and your studios want to deem and "good" or "important"
are you ding anythng about it
no

vs me actually making a social comment
and putting it out there in the damn world that there is an alternative viewpoint to the constant and consistent
and boring
straight white male gaze


yeah
you're so deep studio dude
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

>how?
>you have work going to sundance?
>
>you want to belittle someone elses work
>which you should know without studio support is extremely hard
>to do
>
>and you continue to do so
>
>>Showed promise to the people who run Sundance and how many
>>movies from Sundance in recent years go on to have major
>>staying power. A handful at best.
>
>
>
>and you want the fact that you work for a major studio to be
>held in some significance
>let alone ad good work?
>for YOU specifically???
>
>
>man sit down
>
>


Oh, I know first hand. But you coming at me about not getting far was a poor shot in the dark, when you really know nothing about me. Just as I know nothing about you.

That seemed like a poor, petty attempt to further push that film. Sorry, try again.


>
>>And seeing as your callow reasons on watching something is
>if
>>someone is hot or not is proof enough that you're vapid and
>>have the mind of a 15 year old girl.
>
>ah your feelings got hurt
>
>note your made similar statements
>the difference between mine and yours
>the power differential os who runs the studios and the crap
>you and your studios want to deem and "good" or "important"
>are you ding anythng about it
>no
>
>vs me actually making a social comment
>and putting it out there in the damn world that there is an
>alternative viewpoint to the constant and consistent
>and boring
>straight white male gaze
>
>
>yeah
>you're so deep studio dude
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.

Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm pointing out how you make baseless statements and judgements. How the fuck that constitutes as hurt feeling is beyond me. Obviously, you seem hurt.

You rarely make a social comment about anything. Again, just because you're pushing a movie that's trying to make a social statement doesn't make you smart at all.

I mean really nigga please...

And your puffed up "I work at a major studio"

But note
I'm not ya nigga
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

I'm at, just like your precious movie worked hard and got into Sundance. Bully for those niggas. You make dumbass assumptions all the time.

- I dont think hes a significant character

a dozen and one failed explanations of why you guys think he is

1 semi plausible explanation regarding love admitted on the show but still pretty weak


you cant follow that?

O
ok


- oh and its ANY significance
forget "more" significance
you cant come up with ANY
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

You gonna say you're more knowledgeable about the show with your less-than-one seasons' worth of viewing than the guy that wrote the whole thing now?

So add "delusional" to "foolish" and "stubborn" then.

But ok, I'll humor you:

"I dont think hes a significant character"

Great, that's an opinion. So why isn't he a significant character again? You know, besides eliminating the witch hunters and being the motivation for the Supreme to change her entire lifestyle.

But I want to hear YOUR reasons though.

"a dozen and one failed explanations of why you guys think he is"

What failed explanations? Please explicitly point out every single one of my "failed" explanations for why he is.

No avoiding this question now... I want to see direct quotes and post numbers of "failed explanations".

"1 semi plausible explanation regarding love admitted on the show but still pretty weak"

One "semi-plausible" explanation regarding love? Oh, you mean the true love that's actually eluded Fiona for her entire existence? Remember that episode when cancer was catching up to her and she was in despair because she saw all the other patients with loved ones and she was alone? Yeah. That set the stage for The Axeman's *significance*.

So... you want to provide concrete counterexamples from the show for why the "love" explanation is weak? Please use specific scenes and/or dialogue please... using your opinion as "evidence" will not suffice.

> - oh and its ANY significance
> forget "more" significance
> you cant come up with ANY

But if I can't come up with "any"... yet in your own words above I've also provided a "dozen and one failed explanations"... which is it? That I can't come up with any or I've provided a "dozen and one"?

Contradicting yourself this quickly now?

But let's keep this on topic.... to sum up, please provide:

- Your reasons for why The Axeman is not a significant character

- The "dozen and one" explanations that supposedly "failed"... please give direct quotes and which posts they resided in

- Counterexamples of scenes for why the "love" explanation is weak


I'm really looking forward to your answers. Actual evidence please, vague statements of opinion as "fact" will not suffice.

>You gonna say you're more knowledgeable about the show with
>your less-than-one seasons' worth of viewing than the guy that
>wrote the whole thing now?


i didnt say any of that
i said what i'll keep saying

the character hasnt shown any significance

>So add "delusional" to "foolish" and "stubborn" then.

again whats the significance?

>But ok, I'll humor you:
>
>"I dont think hes a significant character"
>
>Great, that's an opinion. So why isn't he a significant
>character again? You know, besides eliminating the witch
>hunters and being the motivation for the Supreme to change her
>entire lifestyle.

again because two major characters could not
or would not have done that on their own?
one more 'gain
this is your basis for his significance??

didn't want to cop to that before

>But I want to hear YOUR reasons though.

for a character who pops up now and then
and doesn't really do much??
reasons for...

no wonder you can't follow your own damn reasoning

>"a dozen and one failed explanations of why you guys think he
>is"
>
>What failed explanations? Please explicitly point out every
>single one of my "failed" explanations for why he is.


read above read the entire damn post
again
svereal times even
because apparently you cant keep this straight


>No avoiding this question now... I want to see direct quotes
>and post numbers of "failed explanations".

read above
go
i'm not stopping you

go ahead!

>"1 semi plausible explanation regarding love admitted on the
>show but still pretty weak"
>
>One "semi-plausible" explanation regarding love? Oh, you mean
>the true love that's actually eluded Fiona for her entire
>existence? Remember that episode when cancer was catching up
>to her and she was in despair because she saw all the other
>patients with loved ones and she was alone? Yeah. That set
>the stage for The Axeman's *significance*.

ah true love from a serial killer?

the character of "significance" who has killed before
and killed...again
for...someone who already kills


>So... you want to provide concrete counterexamples from the
>show for why the "love" explanation is weak? Please use
>specific scenes and/or dialogue please... using your opinion
>as "evidence" will not suffice.

see above

>> - oh and its ANY significance
>> forget "more" significance
>> you cant come up with ANY
>
>But if I can't come up with "any"... yet in your own words
>above I've also provided a "dozen and one failed
>explanations"... which is it? That I can't come up with any
>or I've provided a "dozen and one"?
>
>Contradicting yourself this quickly now?

i know you seem to get lost fairly easily
dont blame me

>But let's keep this on topic.... to sum up, please provide:
>
>- Your reasons for why The Axeman is not a significant
>character

>- The "dozen and one" explanations that supposedly "failed"...
>please give direct quotes and which posts they resided in
>
>- Counterexamples of scenes for why the "love" explanation is
>weak

>I'm really looking forward to your answers. Actual evidence
>please, vague statements of opinion as "fact" will not
>suffice.

LOL
hilarious
you first kid

cliff notes:
when you get confused again
read above

when in doubt
know you havent shown how that character is still of any significance

reasons (because yes i've followed and youve failed)
-"love"
-the director said so
ie: oh wait and see

i said i'll wait
and you still got mad
talking about now you're confused

*shrugs*
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that nothing in your reply mentions any actual scene(s) from the show?

Again, you're the only one claiming the character is insignificant.

Your opinion is the contrarian position; the burden of proof is on YOU to support that position.

um... you realize
its basic writing composition
but you became easily confused
and now want an explanation for something that seems to be pretty basic to most folks...

fine here you go

stories have plots
plots have characters that carry out those plots
characters are broken down into primary, secondary and tertiary characters
and /or major or minor characters

you have a side character (that you guys want so badly to be primary and of importance ie major) that is clearly secondary(if not tertiary if you group the witches themselves) and minor

indicators of a minor vs major character

- he shows up long after the show has begun
so long that its the 6th episode of 13 episodes
its practically halfway through

- the main characters have long been established
their motives also long since established
internal and external conflicts ...established

- his screen time comparatively even for an ensemble is small

- he can easily be removed from the plot and the plot can continue
while its nice to have a killer handy in any story the fact of the matter is the story is filled to the brim with killers
reluctant and not so reluctant
frankly his killing was mainly for a character fully willing and able to kill and will very possibly kill again



with that

i'm sorry that you couldnt understand this on your own
and you missed any classes in writing composition
and even worse you are getting this from a person who has made a career of visual work
that this is so damn basic that even i have to break this down for you

so in case you get further confused...you now have it spelled out

and once again
i will continue to wait for the apparent significance and importance of what is clearly a minor character
into what sounds suspiciously like a macguffin
thats has been used before
and a sign of...
bad writing (since its leaned on so heavily and many damn times)

=(

this is making me sad for the show actually



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Not that I needed a refresher, but it was good to see you put in some actual effort. We're getting somewhere!

However, your reasoning is flimsy and still isn't based on anything from the show. After Generic Definitions 101, the only things you've actively tied to The Axeman's role is:

"killed for people who have killed before"

Great, I've acknowledged that already. The meeting was an ambush and the witch hunters were lulled into a false sense of security. Guns can kill witches. Yes, the witches had the power to kill, but why put themselves at unnecessary risk? Care to address that?

"he can easily be removed from the plot and the plot can continue"

Uh, no he can't, seeing as how he's basically Fiona's only ally right now, let alone love interest.

And as we've seen in the previews for tonight's episode,


***SPOILERS***

it looks like he's gonna run amok in the house too. You want to continue this discussion after tonight? If he's really as "insignificant" as you say, then he can easily be lifted from the show right now and nothing will change, right?


Because I will bet you $100 right now his role will expand *even more* in these final episodes. I got no issues paying up if I'm wrong.

FAIL to realize the writing composition and plot of this series. I don't know if you missed my post above, but I specifically laid out the other two similar characters in previous seasons and how they were relevant and significant but the watcher doesn't realize it until the end of the series.

I'll be the first to admit, the Rubber Man seemed insignificant and held no place. I learned I was wrong...but I knew what I thought was an opinion and not a fact that I'd argue back and forth especially when I'm (YOU) the one blind to the actual PLOT and WRITING COMPOSITION of the series.

You are being contrary for the sake of being contrary. if you don't like the show, then just don't like it...but if 15 ppl are telling you the sky is blue, then maybe you need to clean off your glasses and look at the sky again or admit you're color blind, and move onto another area. Everything won't be laid out, thats' the beauty of this series...while it's a bit telegraphed at times, they won't hold your hand and explain relevance at each turn...you're looking for answers to questions that no one asks...everything is already explained if you pay attention to details and the show.

Again, you haven't watched the previous seasons so you wouldn't know that...but you are really just being contrary and you aren't bring substance, facts, links, or anything to the convo. Just that your opinion is right and you think it carries more weight and in your world perhaps. but take this to IMDB and you will see the same thing. Everyone else can't be wrong.

Very well stated and put.

if you admit that the "rubber man" failed to be of import
until the very end

and its not the end

and thus far
(which is where you guys are really not admitting)
he has no import to date


then YES i'm STILL waiting
i'm not predicting anything
i'm not the one being stubborn here
in waiting
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And that's stupid. Yea, it's love. They built up the relationship in a believable way done in a manner that fits the show's genre.

I mean who are you to say they aren't in love?

>
>I mean who are you to say they aren't in love?

but i see the light regarding the axeman now
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I do believe she loved him when she was dying.

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Don't take that as a good thing or a bad thing, it's simply a characteristic of yours.


As for Fiona, yes, it was clear the show was leading us on this long road to believe that she loved The Axeman. And, like bwood, I also believed she loved him (or whatever she feels "love" meant) at one point, which she intimated to in that last scene.

Credit to the writers for keeping us all on our toes though.

>FAIL to realize the writing composition and plot of this
>series. I don't know if you missed my post above, but I
>specifically laid out the other two similar characters in
>previous seasons and how they were relevant and significant
>but the watcher doesn't realize it until the end of the
>series.
>
>I'll be the first to admit, the Rubber Man seemed
>insignificant and held no place. I learned I was wrong...but I
>knew what I thought was an opinion and not a fact that I'd
>argue back and forth especially when I'm (YOU) the one blind
>to the actual PLOT and WRITING COMPOSITION of the series.
>
>You are being contrary for the sake of being contrary. if you
>don't like the show, then just don't like it...but if 15 ppl
>are telling you the sky is blue, then maybe you need to clean
>off your glasses and look at the sky again or admit you're
>color blind, and move onto another area. Everything won't be
>laid out, thats' the beauty of this series...while it's a bit
>telegraphed at times, they won't hold your hand and explain
>relevance at each turn...you're looking for answers to
>questions that no one asks...everything is already explained
>if you pay attention to details and the show.
>
>Again, you haven't watched the previous seasons so you
>wouldn't know that...but you are really just being contrary
>and you aren't bring substance, facts, links, or anything to
>the convo. Just that your opinion is right and you think it
>carries more weight and in your world perhaps. but take this
>to IMDB and you will see the same thing. Everyone else can't
>be wrong.

So at this point the only characters to not kill people are Cordelia and Misty. Misty will most likely off Madison before it's all over. That will be a glorious moment. Almost as good as it will be when Geoffrey gets it in GoT.

I been waiting for Cordelia to make herself blind for a while now. It was predictable that she would do that to regain her power. I hate how easy it was for them to kill the witch hunters. The way the Axeman is revealed in this scene is masterful as they do show him real quick for a second then only keep him in the background. I wish they put up a fight. I was hoping Cordelia's father in law would transform into some Van Helsing type mofo but he took it like a Beesh.

Why is Spalding more bothered by LaVeau than Zoe who actually killed him?

Team Queenie all the way. That cemetery entrance should have been scored with Mozart's Lacrimosa in slow motion with pigeon flying away a la John Woo. I also love how she kept it real with Cordelia, later.

Zoe is the character I care about the least in the show. I hope they surprise us and kill her first. Preferably by Madison.That will make me happy.

La Laurie made this episode. Every time Kathy bates was on screen I was stuck on her. I love how she can get to adorable to completely vile in a minute. What's with her and feet? A little wink wink to Misery there.I 'm not too fond on the lack of explanation as to why she doesn't have any mars after being put back together by Queenie. Where did Queenie learn that skill?

Lange and Basset look like they're having so much fun on this set together. It's a pleasure to watch. This show is doing all the right things that True Love and Once Upon a Time failed to produce.

She's got some shit planned for sure... And I really wanted to see the scene between Fiona and Cordelia but it's obvious they kept it behind closed doors for a reason.

so while we knew that Axeman was gonna black out...the fact that he killed Fiona was a shocker. I am sure Cordelia planned it that way though, she knew if she told him that he wouldn't let that slide. She had to have known.

But for Fiona to plan to kill everyone and just leave the love of her life...my goodness.

The way they swarmed over him too when they killed him...I just...I don't know. Everyone is dead. They always are.

No clue who the new Supreme is going to be. I want it to be Queenie though...she has really been coming into her own lately. They all have but Queenie is the one.

>so while we knew that Axeman was gonna black out...the fact
>that he killed Fiona was a shocker. I am sure Cordelia planned
>it that way though, she knew if she told him that he wouldn't
>let that slide. She had to have known.
>
>But for Fiona to plan to kill everyone and just leave the love
>of her life...my goodness.
>
>The way they swarmed over him too when they killed him...I
>just...I don't know. Everyone is dead. They always are.
>
>No clue who the new Supreme is going to be. I want it to be
>Queenie though...she has really been coming into her own
>lately. They all have but Queenie is the one.

or if it's not Queenie, then she needs to take Marie Laveau's place.

Like, I totally could see Zoe being the new supreme and Queenie being the Queen of Voodoo and the two of them keeping peace between the "covens" so to speak.

Though i'm not ruling Cordelia out. Or Misty.

I'll be pissed as all shit if it's Madison though.

>so while we knew that Axeman was gonna black out...the fact
>that he killed Fiona was a shocker. I am sure Cordelia planned
>it that way though, she knew if she told him that he wouldn't
>let that slide. She had to have known.
>
>But for Fiona to plan to kill everyone and just leave the love
>of her life...my goodness.

I think Fiona comes back and finishes what she started. In stories and shows past, everyone who has a vision of a horrible future tries to change it and the original result comes to fruition anyway. I hope I'm wrong though.


>The way they swarmed over him too when they killed him...I
>just...I don't know. Everyone is dead. They always are.
>

He was killed the same way he was killed all those years ago.

myrtle just been suppressing it

i cant NOT believe not s single one of those witches was willing to take out Fiona

not a damn ONE

this is what the axeman was here for
only he could and would do it

i cant believe their shock

THAT WOMAN WAS TRYING TO KILL YALL WTF

but they took him out with glee
lol
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My girl had some hands on her!

I was conflicted about Laveau. To have her condemned to spend the rest of the afterlife with LaLaurie was harsh, but she did take the babies for her benefit. Not to mention Nan. And I am always surprised at how LaLaurie is howling about her misery (no pun intended), when she was the evilest bitch out there.

Ya'll already know how I feel about Myrtle, so I won't speak too much about her (loves her). The way she incorporates fashion into her speeches is so hilarious.

I'm looking forward to the season finale. It'll be bittersweet though because I'm not ready for the season to end.

>My girl had some hands on her!
>
That scene had a brother BEAMING.


good shit.

That's the one thing that doesn't make ANY sense to me. Why would Queenie sacrifice the Voodoo queen JUST to make ole girl pay. She could of located the pieces of her through witchcraft put her back together. Teamed up to take homegirl out and exact their own revenge on her.

She just lost a REALLY poweful ally.

Also, I wanted her to LIVE!

Man, this is some bullshit.

a baby a year for over 100 years?

come on dude
aint that much good doing in the world
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and fun to watch
and FOINE!

I am NOT pleased.

>and fun to watch
>and FOINE!
>
>I am NOT pleased.

i wasnt too happy about it either
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i need to rewatch but that's what i wanna know

I think Queenie wanted to kill LaLaurie, and used Laveau as leverage or something.

She convinced him to revoke Laveau's deal, given her present status all to male Lalaurie vulnerable enough to kill.

smh

Bad deal IMO. She SHOULD have just found Laveau and THEN had HER exact her revenge on Lalaurie - that would have been punishment enough.

Bringing back Laveau back first wouldn't have given her a chance to do so.

But yeah I was surprised at that whole sequence too... helluva way (no pun intended) for both Lalaurie and Laveux to go out

WPOTGIT?

:/

had him relook at "the contracts"


on some "you realize..."
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I hated it, but she WAS a bit of a cunt...like most of the characters, lol.

...starring credits over Denis O' Hare and Lily Rabe.

With that said cotdamn Misty can scrap. Madison had it coming for a while now. So glad she got an ass whooping.

Misty straight roadhoused that chick and left her laying the ground leaking.

I was happy

I was cheering too when I saw it.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I think Queenie taking over Madam's role and Zoe taking over as Supreme would really set up nicely.

Either Madison falls in line or Misty just keeps bodying her whenver she gets outta line.

I'm telling you, when she threw that ass up against the pillar and Madison went scurrying away I almost lost it.

Man Emma roberts can evoke some hatred.

Question though, so was it Madison's witch powers that allowed her face to not look like dog meat after that beating?

Yea, Misty got in that ass. But you right she should look tore up.


I gotta believe Queenie wins. I gotta believe.

Misty put it on her.

Awesome season despite some shortcuts here and there. Last night episode was pretty satisfying. Queenie is officially the smartest Black woman on TV (Booh you @Olivia Pope) after what she pulled with Papa Legba to take out the immortals.As fun as they were to watch, both Laveau and Lalaurie deserve their fate. Lalaurie the most. Laveau actually helped people in need as a Voodoo queen which is arguably redeemable. Lalaurie killed people for pleasure.Screw her.

Anyone else believes that Fiona knew that at one point the Axeman was gonna kill her?After she reveals that she was not able to love him the way he would have hoped, she turned her back to him the whole time she was talking shit. Who does that in presence of a pissed off serial killer? Something tells me she pulled a Whoodini. Make everyone believe she's dead;get rid of the Axeman who would predictably go back to the house to get dispatch by team witch, thus gaining the element of surprise to come Murk the new supreme. I really love the Fiona Character, I hope they won't get rid of her so easily.I need more Jessica Lange before this is all over.

Misty whooping Madison's ass was one of the highlights of my long TV watching lifetime experience. The only thing that would have made it perfect is strategic, "accidental" nip slips . I'm sure my foot instinctively kicked the air as to help Misty administrate the well deserved beating.

Zoe coming back is a convenient short cut.She could have realized she was the next supreme long before her little trip with Frankenstein monster Jr, but I guess for the sake of the story line we'll let that slide. I still maintain that she's the most uninteresting character in the show as she makes Olivia Pope-like decision that never amount to anything.

Only Myrtle could get away wearing that green and yellow outfit and look good.Those gloves though... Is there any significance to the flowers she was setting up when Fiona started to bleed or is that a coincidence? She's also working with flowers when talking to Madison before Zoe's uncomfortable return.

All in all a great hour of TV.A lot happening. Story line moving forward, no fillers. Slowly tying everything down before the finale.
One this show is done, my Wednesday night will suck.

Didn't even think there could be more significance, but I'm guessing they'll come back into play (somehow) next episode... wasn't that item she gave Zoe to "hock" related to flowers too? Or maybe she's a crackpot and just loves her damn flowers...


But yeah... Myrtle and Kyle are interesting wildcards. They're the only ones whose roles aren't clearly defined yet. I doubt Kyle's arc will end as "the coven's guard dog".

So i'm not sure what that was supposed to mean.

I'm sad the show is ending soon. I love how all these predictions always fall flat on their face and there's always an "oh shit" moment around the corner. Just the fact that it's felt like all the girls have felt like legitimate Supreme contenders up until the very end (except Nan, bless her soul) is a testament to the writing.

And I was rooting for Queenie early on, but I've since started rooting for Cordelia. That girl has not had one break go her way this entire season and had to self-mutilate just to have some semblance of contribution to the group.

Also, much has been made this season of Fiona's lack of dedication to the coven so it feels only right to have a proper steward for this generation. Although with the way this episode ended it felt like Cordelia was going to be the test proctor and not a participant.

Sidenote: I'm convinced that if Madame Lalaurie had lived, she would eventually have gotten her own show on Fox News. Damn that personification was perfect, lol

>I'm sad the show is ending soon. I love how all these
>predictions always fall flat on their face and there's always
>Sidenote: I'm convinced that if Madame Lalaurie had lived,
>she would eventually have gotten her own show on Fox News.
>Damn that personification was perfect, lol

you prolly right.

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because i was all set for it to ne anticlimatic but
i spoke to a coworker

remember i dont really have the rythm of this and figured he most shows have been doing the wrap up or set up for the next season and the big bang persay
is the second to last episode



he was like
what is
Fiona isnt dead
this is still a set up to get their guards down and eliminate them still


i started getting hype again cause they have trouble putting these women down

then theeeen
http://www.tv.com/shows/american-horror-story/community/post/american-horror-story-coven-who-is-the-supreme-139085000711/

and then he was like
remember the baby



i'm like
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


cordelia was pregantn
is swear she was pregnant
so i'm on board with this because this would be the wildest shit if that baby which i truly forgot about
is the supreme
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wouldn't it be some shit if Fiona wasn't dead and THAT was the set up...that what Cordelia saw was the truth and reality of the situation. My coworker said she didn't think Fiona was really dead either...

...this doesn't spoil the show for me.

But remember I think I said above...there is always a baby who is the charm.

ALWAYS.

>wouldn't it be some shit if Fiona wasn't dead and THAT was
>the set up...that what Cordelia saw was the truth and reality
>of the situation. My coworker said she didn't think Fiona was
>really dead either...
>
>...this doesn't spoil the show for me.

yeah i thought since it was just a theory

but since i fucked up the title
bwood might have a heartattack
lets bring it down below

>But remember I think I said above...there is always a baby who
>is the charm.
>
>ALWAYS.

oh

OH
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that being babies

Each season ended with someone having a baby (within the last two or three episodes). Actually if I am not mistaken, it's two babies each season.

Season 1: she had twins
Season 2: Tate (i forget his name on Asylum) gets two women pregnant, and has two little girls
Season 3: ...One baby would be breaking that cycle. Could Queenie be pregnant too? Could Zoe? There has to be a second baby...


I am identifying more and more themes that pop up each season. Hmmm....two babies.

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lol

=D
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It's been fun y'all see ya in October for Season 4!!!

http://www.tv.com/shows/american-horror-story/community/post/american-horror-story-coven-who-is-the-supreme-139085000711/




then *spoiler*...for a theory (didnt realize this was neccessary)






















coworker theory
-Fiona aint dead
-Cordelia is pregnant and that is the supreme


lovelyone said this above




i'm now hype for tonight
brang it
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Couldn't stop laughing at the opening Stevie Nicks montage. Liked seeing Queenie with the picture of Nan.

Happy that Cordy became Supreme she suffered the most this season. Glad Queenie and Zoe made it out okay.

Perfectly fine with Misty biting the dust and I'm SUPER happy FrankenKyle choked out Madison.

Shout out Alfonso for directing the fuck outta this episode. Cotdamn.

All loose ends were tied up in dope, dope way.

Gabby should've gotten the opening credits slot over Dennis O'Hare.

(spoilers)



we're really supposed to believe that madison couldn't have used any of the 6 superpowers she has to get that herculean frankenstein dude offa her?

she couldn't have teleported outside? telekenisised his ass away or get a lamp to bash him over the head with? mind controlled him to stop choking her? hell taken a short vacation to hell?

that shit was just so unbelievable. don't even try to argue he's extra strong, they've showed madison using her powers in more dire situations before, that was just a lame way for her to go out. should've had zoe taken her out.

she died old and infirm and in her powerful daughters arms


i swore that woman was still pregnant
guess they just forgot or dropped that aspect
mistake? hrm

Fiona was never in love
if her personal hell is being stuck with dude...welp

why did misty have to die?

so damn glad madison died
she had to go

not so happy with the going public aspect
ngccot

they didn't throw gabby under the bus cool
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i also was waiting for her to stab her, kill her
SOMETHING


i did NOT trust that hug


i'm like WHY IS YOU HUGGING THAT WOMAN

i mean yeah thats your mother
THAT IS BESIDES THE POINT
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remember she went to Laveau for help and she was like oh your mom can't help out your raggedy womb?

she went to the bathroom she was throwing up
because she was pregnant

when she got acid thrown in her face

she also did her own ritual
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lmao

i caught sarah paulson on z100 this morning. ppl were mad bc she spoiled the ending during the interview and she told them to suck it. hahahaha.

nice ending
but i wanna know the fate of that little black baby

n/m

I don't like the fact that all year the build up was voodoo vs witches, witch hunters vs witches, kathy bates vs bassett (white vs black), and in the end we are stuck with just the young girls figuring out who is the supreme, this felt like it should have been done earlier in season with some of the bigger threats being the finale...

I do like that Cordelia was the supreme and that we see everyones hell, even though it sucks that Misty gets stuck...

I don't know, I enjoyed the season as a whole, but I thought it lost steam towards the end and could have ended a lot better

There was a lot I enjoyed, but this season was so uneven.

i liked this one

I'm a lil' upset that the Voodoo (black) clan was COMPLETELY eliminated. Also, as mentioned above it's a lil' absurd that w/all her power, Madison couldn't shake FrankenKyle (shout out to bwood).

Other than that - I think it's nice that Fiona didn't even try to kill Cordelia. Seems like she was the only thing she ever loved besides herself. That was a nice touch.

I wouldn't have minded Fiona actually succeeding tho. A lil' LIFE ain't fair ending would have suited my cynical ass quite well.

>I'm a lil' upset that the Voodoo (black) clan was COMPLETELY
>eliminated. Also, as mentioned above it's a lil' absurd that
>w/all her power, Madison couldn't shake FrankenKyle (shout out
>to bwood).


but Madison was weak as hell though when it came to him. As powerful and evil as she was, she really wasn't about that life of killing him. SHe still wanted him. So she wasn't going to do shit to him.


>Other than that - I think it's nice that Fiona didn't even try
>to kill Cordelia. Seems like she was the only thing she ever
>loved besides herself. That was a nice touch.


Meh...I would have loved to have seen Fiona vs. Cordelia that would have been a battle for the ages...

>I wouldn't have minded Fiona actually succeeding tho. A lil'
>LIFE ain't fair ending would have suited my cynical ass quite
>well.


nah. Fiona was a hateful, selfish, self-serving motherfucker who didn't give a damn about ANYONE BUT HERSELF.

Fiona didn't deserve anything but what she was given in the end...really she didn't.

killed cordelia

i dont think that madison
wanted to kill kyle

>killed cordelia
>
>i dont think that madison
>wanted to kill kyle
>


see I thought that too. BUT, if Cordelia was the Supreme all along, I would think she'd be as powerful as Fiona and the two would have had an outstanding fight to the death.

Hell no, Mads didn't want to kill Kyle at all...

>>
>but Madison was weak as hell though when it came to him. As
>powerful and evil as she was, she really wasn't about that
>life of killing him. SHe still wanted him. So she wasn't going
>to do shit to him.

Yeah, I figured that would be the explanation. I can live w/it.
>
>
>>Other than that - I think it's nice that Fiona didn't even
>try
>>to kill Cordelia. Seems like she was the only thing she ever
>>loved besides herself. That was a nice touch.
>
>
>Meh...I would have loved to have seen Fiona vs. Cordelia that
>would have been a battle for the ages...

I feel you - but you saw her - realistically, what more could she have done? She didn't seem to have any power left.
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>
>nah. Fiona was a hateful, selfish, self-serving motherfucker
>who didn't give a damn about ANYONE BUT HERSELF.
>
>Fiona didn't deserve anything but what she was given in the
>end...really she didn't.


LMAO -Yo, you really brought that shit up from your soul! lol

>>nah. Fiona was a hateful, selfish, self-serving motherfucker
>>who didn't give a damn about ANYONE BUT HERSELF.
>>
>>Fiona didn't deserve anything but what she was given in the
>>end...really she didn't.
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>
>LMAO -Yo, you really brought that shit up from your soul! lol

No. but you keep believing that.

Fiona admitted she was a shitty mother to Cordelia and was honest about it.

why you think Fiona deserved some lesser fate, when it was pretty clear she deserved to be punished with a viciousness for how she treated Cordelia, how she treated the coven and just her actions this season only to get what she got in the last episode, is odd to me.

As stated above, I also by and large enjoyed the season's start and groundwork, but about four out of the last five episodes just did nothing for me. I felt nothing for these characters at the end of the day, and the overall story was mediocre at best.

And how much more corny could they have gotten with that ridiculous Stevie Nicks opener for the finale?

Bottom line, though, is I was very disappointed with this season. Very.

Hate to say it, but I'm with you on this one. I did like certain elements in Coven, but it felt as though the writers didn't know how to intertwine everything in a satisfying way this season. Surprising, because last season had A LOT more going on, and it worked way more for me when it was all said and done.

Overall, this season still had some stand-out performances (Bates, Conroy, Rabe, Lange, Bassett), but also the weakest in my opinion as well (sorry....just can't get onboard the Gabby train - girl can't really act).

Coven started strong, but fell apart.....I honestly didn't care who the Supreme was because I didn't end up really caring about the characters in the end.



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thus the only one with decent writing. the first two started off scary as hell and great... then by then eend i was just pissed. weren't scary any more and didn't answer any of the questions i had when it started.

And that's what I liked about Freak Show is that it wrapped everything up neatly despite it being boring as fuck with shit characters.

At least this season was visually interesting and had characters that I gave a shit about.

I wanted to love it. I just ended up liking it.
This shows fails to establish the idea that your story is just as good as your villain. Madison was the villain for most of this season;she's the character they made us hate the most; for a show with so much drama her demise was so drama-less.Madison dying the way she died is akin to Geoffrey from GoT dying from the common flu, instead than in the bloody mess we know he deserves. I wanted her to go with a bang. Taking out a couple of good guys in the process.Instead Young Igor gets to choke a bitch with total impunity while Myrtle gets the stake for killing assholes no one cared about.

Misty died heroically, to save Kermitt. smh ( Typical white girl)

Spalding. For me the loose end of this show. He gets to stay unbothered? Dude gets the baby and Madison's corpse? There's no resolution there.The only good thing Zoe ever done was off him. I would have loved second death for him.

I also agree that the voodoo element shouldn't have died with Marie Laveau's death.

I called the whoodini from Fiona.There's no way the axeman would have killed her just like that. I like that she made (some kinda)peace with Cordelia before kicking it.

They could have ended with a lil' more panache with the going public thing. No threat? They're just accepted by the public? In the South?

All and all, it was a fun season.It made my Midweek exciting. It's gonna be a long wait 'til next season.

fingersnap and the witchhunter conglomerate/stock value collapses?
witchhunter exec board hacked up by one old dude, no magic?

angela bassett storyline got wrapped up like she had to run off and film what else love still got to do with it

ghost butler that dont exist but ok only exists after deaths but ok ok does exist if u need to carry babies or dollbabies or knockout sticks

pointless couple runaway just to come back by next commercial break

neat hollywood ending wit bland milquetoast being the supreme, and manifesting mad new powers after she got the mr miyagi speech

overall meh