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76715, Orange Is The New Black (Kohan) (SPOILERS)
Posted by Melanism, Thu Jun-06-13 01:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nryWkAaWjKg

A white woman navigating a world of kooky minorities with other white people as her lifeline through her adventures

Why, yes, it is from Jenji Kohan, creator of "Weeds"
76716, I couldn't make it through the trailer
Posted by SoulHonky, Thu Jun-06-13 01:56 PM
I can't imagine watching this as a movie, let alone a series.
76717, wow...just wow:(
Posted by DJ007, Thu Jun-06-13 08:04 PM
lol
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76718, Fucking terrible
Posted by JiggysMyDayJob, Thu Jun-06-13 09:09 PM
76719, It's up; let's all get OUTRAGED
Posted by ZooTown74, Thu Jul-11-13 02:04 AM
Reviews have been good

But they're all from white people

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76720, it does have Laura Prepon with a topless lesbian kiss
Posted by RobOne4, Thu Jul-11-13 12:47 PM
http://i.minus.com/ibha57RyUGBg0L.gif
76721, welp. I'm in.
Posted by spades, Thu Jul-11-13 03:29 PM
76722, lol
Posted by spades, Thu Jul-11-13 03:29 PM
>Why, yes, it is from Jenji Kohan, creator of "Weeds"
76723, Nah, I'm good
Posted by kayru99, Thu Jul-11-13 06:04 PM
76724, it's getting glowing reviews though...
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jul-11-13 07:28 PM
WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323899704578583583370691240.html

Indiewire said its the best Netflix series yet
http://www.indiewire.com/article/orange-is-the-new-black-review-netflix

Sepinwall said the same thing
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-womens-prison-show-orange-is-the-new-black-may-be-netflixs-best-original-yet

Variety
http://variety.com/2013/digital/reviews/orange-is-the-new-black-review-netflix-1200504709/
76725, Trailer looked terrible but I'll peep it.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-11-13 08:18 PM
76726, RE: Orange Is The New Black (Kohan)
Posted by The DC Sniper, Thu Jul-11-13 09:55 PM
Damn, those black ladies sound sassy!
76727, Titties!
Posted by BigKato, Thu Jul-11-13 10:55 PM
76728, If you liked Weeds
Posted by jswerve386, Fri Jul-12-13 01:07 AM
you'll like this.
76729, What if you only liked the 1st 3 -4 seasons of Weeds?
Posted by spades, Fri Jul-12-13 12:50 PM
76730, Caught the first three episodes, WAY better than I thought it would be
Posted by Marauder21, Fri Jul-12-13 08:04 AM
I like the flashbacks to the other women in prison so we can see what their lives were like before they got locked up. I feel if we just filtered everything through Piper's lens it would get real old real fast.
76731, Never seen Weeds so not familiar with its criticisms.
Posted by Monkey Genius, Fri Jul-12-13 05:15 PM
This is enjoyable, though.
76732, In short, people loved the seasons with the black folks, and thought
Posted by ZooTown74, Fri Jul-12-13 06:32 PM
the seasons where they weren't there "sucked" and "went away from the show's original premise"

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76733, I ain't gon let you do this, homie.
Posted by spades, Fri Jul-12-13 06:42 PM
Shit became less and less relatable YES because there were fewer black folks but MAINLY because Nancy's cute ass seemed superhuman in her ability to avoid natural consequences for her actions.

The shit started out a relatively realistic depiction of a suburban mom's 'descent' into drug dealing due to VERY real world pressures. It ended up a fantasy about white women empowerment w/little to NO connection to real life.

People had a problem w/that.
76734, not to mention the show jumped the shark repeatedly
Posted by kayru99, Fri Jul-12-13 10:21 PM
And the lead character was profoundly less likable as the show went on.

But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76735, Nah
Posted by ZooTown74, Sat Jul-13-13 01:00 AM
What's weird is I described what, for many, was the big "jump the shark" moment of the show (when she left the black people behind)

But unfortunately, you were so busy trying to take some passive-aggressive/oblique shot at me and "black people and the media" that you apparently missed it

As a result this... whatever you want to call it... that you're putting forth has the distinct smell of bullshit

As usual

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76736, Dog, I've told you before: you think black audiences are dumb
Posted by kayru99, Sat Jul-13-13 10:51 AM
and hypersensitive.

That's bullshit.

There's nothing passive about my opinion on that at all.

As for weeds, the shark jumping moments on that show were too many to mention, and none of them had black people. Marrying mexican drug lord, son becomes a murdering sociopath, sexual tension with her brother in law, etc, etc, etc.

That show started declining, hard and early.

But I'm black, and so any criticism must be invalid becuz Al Sharpton.

76737, k
Posted by ZooTown74, Sat Jul-13-13 11:45 AM
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But kayru99, Django and still mad as fuck, so...
76738, I am so stealing this.
Posted by MiQL, Mon Jul-22-13 11:33 PM

>But I'm black, and so any criticism must be invalid becuz Al
>Sharpton.
>
>
76739, So we tried to rewrite the show according to our "logic." Got it.
Posted by ZooTown74, Sat Jul-13-13 12:43 AM
Yeah, nah, I ain't buyin' it.

Kohan clearly wasn't interested in telling the story of someone who has to pay the price for her many crimes and transgressions, and "YES," the story did have a strong female empowerment angle.

Not sure why that wasn't expected, and/or so problematic, coming from a show created by a woman. It should also be noted that the black female drug dealer on the show (Heylia) didn't suffer for her years of crime, either. Matter of fact, Heylia ended up doing fairly well for herself. Are we gonna be mad about that, too, or "that's different?"

No one had a problem with anything being "relatable" when it came to the many escapes from death that Vic Mackey had. Tony Soprano either. And those examples aren't as "that's different" as you might want to believe.

Nothing in those first three seasons suggested a terrible end for Nancy Botwin, even though she faced multiple situations where she or someone in the family could have been killed, or she could have been caught and faced time. And I guess we all have selective amnesia, because there CERTAINLY were situations where her "cute ass" got bailed out or flat-out lucky during that time.

And make no mistake, Nancy's white privilege is a HUGE component of the story that Jenji told. Not to mention the fact that she's a woman and repeatedly uses that to her advantage. Jenji never shied away from that shit. The problem apparently is that, like Shawn Ryan and his killer white cop, and David Chase and his killer white mobster, she refused to pass the ultimate judgment onto these characters.

Look, the show wasn't perfect and didn't always stick its landings, but it certainly held my interest over its 8 seasons, and not because I wanted to see Nancy get what was allegedly coming to her.

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76740, Fuck all that shit, that show got RE-FUCKING-PETITIVE.
Posted by Lardlad95, Sat Jul-13-13 11:57 AM
How many times did I need to see Andy tell Nancy he was done only to come back, Silas try to lead an independent life only to come back, Shane do some weird creepy shit, and Nancy try to "start her business back up" despite the fact that it always ultimately fails.

That show got boring and redundant, and not because the black people left. It stopped being interesting because Kohan thought the Nancy was the most exciting part of the show. I think a lot of us disagreed. I thought the setting of Agrestic and Nancy being the nexus for all these different people in the town was way more interesting than just seeing Nancy scheme and flee. That shit was dull and the show overstayed its welcome.
76741, See, now to me this is fair criticism of that show.
Posted by ZooTown74, Sat Jul-13-13 12:02 PM
The "it got repetitive" part, not the "Agrestic was the show, not Nancy" part

Nancy was the lead character. The show wasn't about her detailed and wacky plans to sell weed to suburbia; it was ALWAYS about a woman who led a life of privilege who was suddenly forced to fend for herself -- whatever that meant -- and her two kids, and the wacky uncle who completed the new family unit. Like I said, it wasn't always successful, but that was the point.

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76742, Agreed with this
Posted by Marauder21, Mon Jul-15-13 04:04 PM
Also, that shit with them going across country in an RV pretending to bless little people was just too damn crazy.
76743, Piper is already on that same fucn track
Posted by astralblak, Mon Dec-23-13 05:23 PM
if yall can't see that than you're not paying attention to the nuances and actions of her character and what she got away with
76744, like The Wire Season Two, right?
Posted by Mageddon, Fri Jul-12-13 06:44 PM
>the seasons where they weren't there "sucked" and "went away
>from the show's original premise"
>

The Black people on Weeds stopped me from watching the show. Caught a few minutes of it (and them), and was like, 'nope.'
76745, Yeah, I'm in I suppose
Posted by spenzalii, Fri Jul-12-13 06:43 PM
Never saw Weeds for whatever reason, so can't speak on the baggage/criticism/'cism this may have already. But after watching the 1st ep at work, I can see finishing out the run. It's no House of Cards, but I'm not mad if this is the original programming Netflix is gunning for.

And since I'm really slow on the white girl actress (hell, actors and actresses in general these days...) it did take a minute to click on the fact that Laura was in this joint. Entire episode I'm like 'why do I know that broad? Nice tits, too...'. Not until the very last scene did it click. I feel slow...
76746, After the first two episodes, I'm in. Not sure when I'll finish all 13
Posted by ZooTown74, Sat Jul-13-13 05:15 AM
but yeah, shit's intriguing to me.

I agree with the poster who said that they liked how the flashbacks show the lives leading to prison... it's an interesting device.

Sidenote: I thought Red was being played by the character actress Eileen Brennan but I guess not.

The lead is good. I like how she's underplaying the "spoiled suburbanite" angle with Piper. It could have easily descended into some bad C-list Reese Witherspoon portrayal of a spoiled woman who has everything taken away, and her resulting struggles amongst the commoners in prison. But I like how we can see her using her melon as she goes along, instead of moping and acting like she doesn't want to touch anyone. She's good. Biggs is okay but I just don't see him as the young suburban cat who's holding it down. It's also funny to see a couple of the secondary characters from Weeds make appearances on the show.

Speaking of which, I think it would be weird/funny if somehow, some way, Romany "Conrad from the 'good' seasons of Weeds" Malco was to appear on the show as his Facebook alter ego, Tijuana Jackson, who has a bunch of funny/profound sayings and thoughts under the title, "Prison Logic." Maybe he's brought in as a motivational speaker for the ladies...

Now, to dip in the shallow pool. A few of the inmates are pretty hot, including the moms with the heavy-set newbie and the skinnier daughter. Also, maybe it's just me and my white media brainwashing (*glares at camera*), but Laura Prepon is hot as shit, even with brunette hair and no makeup... I didn't even need to see the boobies in the pilot...

Anyway, it's good so far, I'm interested in the stories so far, and am wondering if all of the plates that are starting to spin regarding all of the characters will be juggled throughout the season...

And if that lessens my overall enjoyment of the show. My guess is that it won't. Based on all of our various experiences with and thoughts on Weeds, your mileage may vary.

The bigger question for me is wondering just how long this show can go. It's already got an order for season 2 IIRC, but I don't see this show going 8 seasons like Weeds did, especially since it's only supposed to take place over roughly a year's time... while I'm sure there are many stories that can be spun, I can't see this going longer than 4 or 5 seasons...

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76747, This.
Posted by Walleye, Sat Jul-13-13 02:50 PM
>It's already got an order for season 2 IIRC, but
>I don't see this show going 8 seasons like Weeds did,
>especially since it's only supposed to take place over roughly
>a year's time... while I'm sure there are many stories that
>can be spun, I can't see this going longer than 4 or 5
>seasons...

I'm not at all interested in Piper's life after her 15 months. It's possible that time has been going slower than I initially thought. I'm not particularly good with context clues so the only one I've picked up on is the weather. They started in the fall, based on their clothes when she surrendered, and there was (like episode five or six) a recent reference to the changing leaves. So maybe this season is only going to cover three or four actual months?

But then you have the spinning plates problem that you mentioned. The show succeeds when the characters introduced as kooky/dangerous weirdos start to get some actual dimension, and even though it's plausible because prison is one of the settings for a show where it makes sense for characters to come and go, I'd rather see the show take yet another step with each of the characters it's given real shape to than continue to add, shade, and then walk away.

We'll see. I like it so far. I rather appreciate how ... sensitive (is I guess the word I want) the show is at how the prisoners kind of cobble a weird culture together from the few things they have control over and how that culture then acquires huge stakes. It's not a "look at this craziness" as I thought it'd be, though that risk is never going to go away.
76748, I dig the idea of the prison as a revolving door of sorts
Posted by ZooTown74, Sat Jul-13-13 05:02 PM
I mean, I know that the jumping-off point for the show was Piper's book, but if Netflix and Kohan want to keep going after she's released, I think it would be interesting if they started focusing on another inmate's story as Piper's story faded out... that would actually be very cool...

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76749, So hot.
Posted by spades, Mon Jul-15-13 01:11 PM
>>Now, to dip in the shallow pool. A few of the inmates are
>pretty hot, including the moms with the heavy-set newbie and
>the skinnier daughter. Also, maybe it's just me and my white
>media brainwashing (*glares at camera*), but Laura Prepon is
>hot as shit, even with brunette hair and no makeup... I didn't
>even need to see the boobies in the pilot...
>
I wasn't even feeling her like that before, but right now, she looks better than I've ever seen her, IMO.
76750, 3 episodes in and its not bad
Posted by RobOne4, Sat Jul-13-13 07:00 AM
but its on an episode by episode contract right now.
76751, 3 in. I dig it. It's super fun and watchable.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jul-13-13 12:53 PM
Moments of Weeds, the device of Lost, and some really fun characters. It's no House of Cards, but what is?
76752, finished it -- absolutely terrific, gets better the longer it goes
Posted by celery77, Sun Jul-14-13 02:28 PM
and I only saw the ads on TV, but they do the show a HORRIBLE disservice.

also, the real meat of the show is packed in the back end. it's starts okay then really reveals itself as it goes.
76753, I am done with 6 episodes and it has gotten better
Posted by RobOne4, Sun Jul-14-13 07:03 PM
glad to see it ends well. Netflix is doing a pretty good job with the original programming.
76754, Agreed
Posted by Marauder21, Mon Jul-15-13 10:21 AM
By the end, I was surprised how invested I was in these characters. And not to spoil anything but I REALLY need to see how S2 starts (assuming there's going to be one.)
76755, RE: Agreed (spoilers)
Posted by RobOne4, Tue Jul-16-13 05:43 AM
yes on season 2. Just finished and I was thinking how are they going to keep this going with only a 15 month sentence. I guess that is how.
76756, Agreed. Edgy, funny, heartwarming, sad and VERY good.
Posted by spades, Mon Jul-15-13 11:18 AM
This show gave me EVERYTHING I wanted.

Great follow-up for Kohan - more of this please.
76757, Patti Mayonnaise!
Posted by ricky_BUTLER, Mon Jul-15-13 02:51 PM
76758, OH SHIT!
Posted by okaycomputer, Mon Jul-15-13 07:53 PM
76759, i'm in
Posted by lfresh, Mon Jul-15-13 03:39 PM
not sure when i'll fit this in
gonna try
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You cannot hate people for their own good.
76760, Try hard. You'll like it.
Posted by spades, Mon Jul-15-13 04:51 PM
76761, The scared straight episode holy shit
Posted by RobOne4, Tue Jul-16-13 02:42 AM
I was in tears when they went in on the girl in the wheelchair. Then Piper with the bitches gots ta learn. Then the faith heal. Fuck that was great.
76762, That was a good episode.
Posted by spades, Tue Jul-16-13 10:44 AM
76763, Ya'll think the brunette lesbian mess with black dudes in real life?
Posted by Tw3nty, Tue Jul-16-13 04:22 PM
76764, Dude, she SCREAMS noosebait.
Posted by spades, Wed Jul-17-13 01:34 PM
She def fucks w/bothers.
76765, loved it
Posted by tex, Wed Jul-17-13 06:40 AM
me and the wiz binge watched it over the weekend

didn't expect much (especially after hemlock grove) but we were in deep after the first episode

i've seen ppl bitching about the flashbacks, but i actually kinda dug em. i was mad they didn't do one for crazy-eyes and morello and poussey

and the finale was like damn

can't wait for the next season

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76766, shit is fantastic
Posted by ternary_star, Fri Jul-19-13 11:43 AM
gets a little too "wacky" at times for my taste but overall hilarious. love the low-key style of humor. and the lead actress is god damn perfect for this role.
76767, Lol @ crazy eyes parents
Posted by lfresh, Sat Jul-20-13 08:09 PM

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You cannot hate people for their own good.
76768, that was a fun surprise.
Posted by shockzilla, Sun Oct-06-13 05:07 PM
76769, yes! it nailed it for me
Posted by lfresh, Tue Dec-10-13 05:59 PM
like ok i LIKE this show
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.
76770, It is fantastic. Really enjoyed it
Posted by calminvasion, Sat Jul-20-13 09:21 PM
76771, I felt bad for Piper at the beginning
Posted by The_Red_Ninja_Turtle, Sat Jul-20-13 11:28 PM
But she really is just like all the rest of them and deserves to be there. It was a great show but her character just frustrated me more and more as the season went on.
76772, Piper has 3 modes
Posted by spenzalii, Sun Jul-21-13 08:40 PM
1. Try to make friends and make the best of it
2. Mousey 'Oh no, don't leave me, somebody come to my rescue, I'm so alone...
3. Muthafuck 'em and kill 'em all (usually followed by mode 2 when she realized how much more of a mess she was in)

As the series progressed I found myself much less sorry for her. Doesn't seem remotely like a nice or good person
76773, How hilarious it is...
Posted by princeguy, Sun Jul-21-13 09:10 PM
This is a very entertaining show.

It's propaganda up the wahoo, but hey, the entertainment is THERE and oozing all over the place. I know its probably been sanctioned and funded by the propagandists, but I will not deny the entertainment value.

This show is entertaining, and THE PEOPLE LOVE IT. It's a hit for Netflix, and this will change the game. HBO costs me $10 bux a month. Netflix is $8 bux a month with Much Much more content. This show alone may change the game because for many people who don't have Netflix, they will consider it, because the word of mouth has been BETTER THAN GREAT.










76774, House of Cards was much better and didnt change the game
Posted by RobOne4, Sun Jul-21-13 11:19 PM
calm down aint shit going to happen unless Netflix can do this for a much longer time.
76775, RE: House of Cards was much better and didnt change the game
Posted by princeguy, Mon Jul-22-13 08:40 AM
House of Cards didn't have the same level of word of mouth.

When I say same level, I mean from average viewers, and common folks. I've had so many people who don't follow every action Netflix makes, or really keep up with the industry in general talk about Orange.

House of Cards has a different audience. Orange is becoming cooler talk. House of Cards has a different appeal. And to say House of Cards is better is a matter of opinion.

I'm speaking on mass popularity. And I'm not talking about media hype. With Orange....even the streets are talking about it.





76776, Seen and enjoyed both, and House of Cards was better
Posted by spenzalii, Mon Jul-22-13 09:49 AM
I really enjoyed Orange...but it's not getting any Emmy nods. Better writing and better acting across the board for Cards. That said, this isn't an apples to apples comparison either. One's a political drama, the other is a social dramedy. Orange may have a wider appeal, but that doesn't make it better by any stretch (doesn't mean it's worse either, but you get the point)

As for being a game changer, it is a bit early to say for either. But, House of Cards being the first online show to get an Emmy nod has to count for something. Not necessarily a paradigm shift, but more of a change than Orange, for whatever that's worth
76777, you're the dumbest person I've ever encountered.
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jul-22-13 11:09 AM


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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
76778, The fuck are you talking about.
Posted by PlanetInfinite, Tue Jul-23-13 11:14 AM

i'm out.
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76779, ok done
Posted by lfresh, Mon Jul-22-13 07:16 AM
glad they got around to what a fucked up person she is
saw that shit coming


oh and OH MAN at the ending
i knew she was capable of it
shes wound too tight
glad she defended herself though
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.
76780, Finished it.
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Tue Jul-23-13 07:55 AM
It was OK.
I was more interested in some of the other inmates than Piper.
Like I couldn't help watch Piper and see Nancy Botwin all over again.

And why...WHY didn't they give us a back story on Susanne/Crazy Eyes?
She was the most interesting in my opinion. Loved every scene she was in.
All they did was tease us with that scene w/ her white foster parents.
Her and Tasty were my favorite characters.
76781, RE: Finished it.
Posted by movement, Sun Jul-28-13 09:54 AM
I am assuming they held that for season two... But you're right, the back story on Crazy Eyes/Susan seems the most interesting.
76782, Finished it. Great first season.
Posted by PlanetInfinite, Tue Jul-23-13 11:15 AM
i'm out.
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76783, Finished it...really dug it.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-23-13 12:33 PM
Fantastic characters. I just have to hope it doesn't go too crazy off the rails...

That said - I'm REALLY looking forward to Crazy Eyes, Yoga, and some of the others' backstories. I hope they get more into Ms. Claudette too.
76784, i liked this review
Posted by lfresh, Wed Jul-24-13 10:44 PM
http://dorothysurrenders.blogspot.com/2013/07/orange-is-new-rainbow.html


Orange Is the New Rainbow

I can’t stop thinking about “Orange Is the New Black,” because – duh – it’s awesome. Plus, dude, Laura Prepon. But it’s also because the show is so different from anything on our TV radar right now. And one of those ways is in its brilliant, brilliant diversity.

Some shows feature mostly white casts with one or two tokens thrown in for appearances. Others feature diverse casts, but that diversity is never addressed other than as a pleasant, unspoken rainbow coalition. But “Orange Is the New Black” takes the forced integration of a former NPR-listening, artisanal soap making, Seven Sisters-educated white woman and makes it its guiding principal.

Still this is also so much more than just a fish-out-of-water story. Upper-class white woman who goes to prison faces horrors and hilarity interacting with the diverse prison population. Sure, we see some of that – especially at first. But then Orange peals back the top layer – the stereotypes and the clichés and assumptions – to show us the soft, fragile center of almost everyone underneath. And that, in and of itself, is extraordinary.

Minority characters – and female characters – are far too often a means to an end in storytelling. The sassy best friend. The street-smart co-worker. The hot lust object. They’re not fully realized people, and were never meant to be. “Orange Is the New Black” could have done that with its diverse cast. Miss Claudette is the sage. Taystee is the comic relief. Diaz is the cautionary tale. And while they have those elements to their characters, they’re much more complex than that. It’s that essential humanity that is so often lacking. People of color become a concept, not an actual person. But not here. Here they’re all real and interesting, flawed and so very human.

The key is that these women are the heroes (and villains) of their own stories. They are not just amusing anecdotes meant to add color to the main character’s life. We know this because most of the time Piper isn’t even aware of their histories – how they got there, what’s happening now. Their backstories are just theirs and ours to know and understand. So these women have their own agency, their own agendas, their own struggles, their own triumphs, their own failures. This matters.

I’m so glad we know more about these women. And I want to learn more; I want to learn everything. Think of the character arc of someone like Crazy Eyes, played by the delightful Uzo Aduba. She begins as a joke, a quick scary-lesbians-in-prison punchline complete with unwanted dispersing of bodily fluids. But then, as we get to know her, she develops organically into a Shakespeare-spouting thespian with an unexpected family. So when Piper’s initial descriptions of her as retold by Larry (ugh, Larry) hurts her it hurts us, too. Not just because of the inherent cruelty in her thoughtless words, but because of the ignorance those first impressions convey. We are all more than our first impression, our stereotypes, our preconceived notions of what we should be. We all deserve to be seen as such.

Or take Sophia, glorious Sophia. As played by real-life transgender actress Laverne Cox, she is a powerful reminder that stories, at their best, change how we view the world. You can’t watch Sophia’s story and say you don’t have a better (not complete, by any means, but better) understanding of trans people’s lives and challenges. It’s a performance, among many on the show, Emmy voters would be wise to take note of next summer. Also, I’d love for Sophia to have a relationship next season, preferably with another woman. I mean if we’re asking for favors from the TV gods, why not be thorough?

I’ve found myself thinking about “Orange Is the New Black” long after finishing the series because the series gave me so much to think about. White privilege, racial separatism, cultural elitism. All these issues get thrown into a place they can’t run from each others because literal bars are holding them back. But in the end we don’t feel imprisoned by their experiences, we feel released. Life is so much richer when we’re given stories that treat everyone’s lives as different, important and real.

p.s. Also, fucking hell, are these ladies funny.

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.
76785, good review.
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Thu Jul-25-13 06:16 AM
76786, very on point. thanks
Posted by Mynoriti, Fri Aug-23-13 11:03 PM
76787, Yo, this shit was fantastic and just as entertaining as House of Cards
Posted by ZooTown74, Sun Jul-28-13 03:24 AM
Sly ensemble storytelling with great characters thanks to some superb writing and casting

If this show were eligible for Emmy consideration, I'd nominate Taylor Schilling, Taryn Manning, Kate Mulgrew, Pablo Schreiber, and, yes, Jason Biggs

And as far as the minorities go, I would nominate Vicky Jeudy, Michelle Hurst, and Dascha Polanco (yum)...

Let this be a lesson to everybody, it's not really wise to judge a show based on a half-ass trailer

And there is no "but to be fair" about it, either

_______________________________________________________________________________________
But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76788, i really enjoyed vicky judy's character's growth
Posted by Calico, Sun Jul-28-13 11:57 AM
And like every other woman in there, after seeing her backstory I felt bad for her....

.....damn good show, but I do agree that more ofvthe male characters seem one dimensional, but that's understandable on a show like this....

...can't wait to see what happens in the OTHER main love triangle.....oh and it's great to see "Nick sabotka" on screen again...is he really Liev Shrieber's brother? They don't really look alike at all....
76789, Pablo is Liev's half-brother nm
Posted by ZooTown74, Sun Jul-28-13 12:22 PM
Speaking of Liev, lol @ HBO for initially refusing to re-up dude's contract for doing their Sports voice overs just because he landed the role on Showtime's Ray Donovan

He also appears in the upcoming HBO movie Clear History and apparently will not receive a credit for doing so

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76790, I'm amazed this is getting good responses
Posted by amplifya7, Sun Jul-28-13 11:42 AM
maybe i'll have to check it out

the previews and promo image on netflix make it look horrible
76791, I want to suck on Dashca Polanco's bottom lip.
Posted by MistaGoodBar, Sun Jul-28-13 07:10 PM
76792, i dunno why i find her so attractive
Posted by Calico, Sun Jul-28-13 11:49 PM
...but I do....she ain't the baddest, but she stands out somehow..
76793, 1. She thick. 2. She's adorable. 3. She thick. 4. The eyes. 5. She thick.
Posted by ZooTown74, Mon Jul-29-13 03:21 AM
6. The lips.

7. She thick.

Did I skip anything?




(ladies, my bad if you's offended, but I gotta be honest)

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76794, She's cute as hell.
Posted by PlanetInfinite, Mon Jul-29-13 10:45 AM

i'm out.
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"WHOLESALE REUSABLE GROCERY BAGS!!"
@etfp
76795, Man...
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Mon Jul-29-13 11:19 AM
76796, she looks Aaliyah in the face.
Posted by TRENDone, Mon Jul-29-13 10:54 PM
but the young latina...not flaca...but Maritza my goodness!
76797, yeah , i love Maritza too
Posted by Calico, Tue Jul-30-13 10:33 PM
I hope they show some her backstory next season....it's funny how all the Latinas are fly like that though
76798, ep2, where Diaz confronts her mom in prison
Posted by TRENDone, Wed Jul-31-13 12:48 AM
>I hope they show some her backstory next season....it's funny
>how all the Latinas are fly like that though

is when i got hooked. i wish someone made a .gif of maritza mouthing "puta" to diaz, kinda like this one: http://25.media.tumblr.com/6ec57f028d8e8dc5e25620924df0111f/tumblr_mqd0d3t4V31qzs73so1_400.gif

i also enjoy the series cuz i've worked at a juvie girls facility and some of the characters brought me back.

76799, she ugly in a cute way if that makes sense
Posted by southphillyman, Mon Jan-06-14 01:20 PM
like if she lost 100lbs she probably could have modeled off her "unique" look
76800, Season 2 additions and promotions (swipe) (MILD SPOILER)
Posted by ZooTown74, Mon Jul-29-13 01:39 PM
Even though I hate black people (*glares at camera*), this is excellent...

deadline.com:

>‘Orange Is The New Black’ Adds Lorraine Toussaint, Promotes Danielle Brooks

By NELLIE ANDREEVA | Monday July 29, 2013 @ 11:15am PDT

EXCLUSIVE: Heading into second season, Netflix’s comedic prison drama Orange Is The New Black has added Lorraine Toussaint in a heavily recurring role. Additionally, Danielle Brooks, who recurred on Season 1 as Taystee, has been promoted to regular. She joins fellow newly minted series regular Taryn Manning.

Toussaint, repped by Innovative and manager Craig Dorfman, will play Vee, a long-time street tough who ran her own drug business, recruiting children to serve as runners. She recurs on ABC Family’s The Fosters and starred in Ava Duvernay’s Middle Of Nowhere. Brooks, repped by Innovative, landed the role of carefree Tasha Jefferson aka Taystee fresh out of Julliard.

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76801, Aha!
Posted by lfresh, Mon Jul-29-13 11:12 PM
>Even though I hate black people (*glares at camera*), this is
>excellent...
>



I KNEW it!
Now just say you hate women
Come on
Consider it a purge or a cleanse
Getchu a naked smoothie to top it off
You can do it

*cheese*
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
76802, *smh*
Posted by ZooTown74, Tue Jul-30-13 01:32 AM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1345/1291084395_ab5c141024.jpg?v=0

_________________________________________________________________________________________
But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76803, Awesmoe, Taystee was my fave.
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Thu Aug-01-13 01:25 AM
76804, Netflix is 2 for 2 and both were homeruns
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Tue Jul-30-13 01:48 PM
I actually like this better than HOC

Great show

Dascha's moms is cold as shit
And I always been a fan of Laura prepon
76805, ...Hemlock Grove and Lillyhammer and AD?
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Jul-30-13 01:58 PM

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
76806, I see them as 2-2-1
Posted by spenzalii, Tue Jul-30-13 03:59 PM
Hemlock Grove and Lillyhammer? Fail

House of Cards and Orange? Win

Arrested Development? Undecided. Not nearly the smash everybody wanted or expected, but it was nowhere near as bad as many try to make it seem. I can see how they were trying to use the 'all at once' release format to try telling the story differently, which worked for some and not for others. And even with it's faults (episode runtime among them) it was still plenty funny.
76807, ok i havent seen those yet..
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Thu Aug-01-13 07:05 AM
worth watching?
76808, Lilyhammer was fun.
Posted by Monkey Genius, Thu Aug-01-13 07:14 AM
Not amazing but worth watching. I dunno what old boy ^^^^ talking about calling it a 'fail'.
76809, Exactly, Lillyhammer was good
Posted by JiggysMyDayJob, Thu Aug-08-13 05:24 PM
I'm glad it's getting a second season.
76810, oh I love lillyhammer, I can't wait for s2
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Aug-08-13 07:54 PM


http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
76811, I'm currently binge watching.
Posted by Ghetto Black, Wed Jul-31-13 12:20 AM
The trailer offered no indication of how good this show is.
76812, Just finished it, pretty good. The chick that plays Poussey kills it.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Wed Jul-31-13 08:50 AM
The old Haitian lady kills it too.

They do seem to be having too much fun for prison though.
76813, "This isn't Oz..." - Episode 1
Posted by ZooTown74, Wed Jul-31-13 10:49 AM
Shit got "dangerous" near the end though

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...
76814, Yeah, that's why the end threw me for a loop.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Wed Jul-31-13 11:29 AM
Just before that it seemed like I was saying, "These chicks are having a ball up in jail eating pussy, enjoying snacks, having plays and singing and shit."

76815, they do seem to come and go as they please though
Posted by gumz, Wed Jul-31-13 03:20 PM
just randomly wandering around...home girl on the visit was just left in the bathroom alone with random prisoners...etc.
76816, It seems like camp.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Wed Jul-31-13 04:12 PM
76817, but they sorta spoke to that mins later tho
Posted by Calico, Wed Jul-31-13 05:33 PM
While normally they wouldn't have left ole girl alone and the prisoners know better than to be so "aggressive", they were tryin to scare ole go and it backfired cause they didn't know how far the lil white chick had gone over the edge....they tried to tighten up after that, but most of the guards and inmates have an understanding....:
76818, Is it just me?
Posted by go mack, Wed Jul-31-13 09:27 PM
or does lead chick slightly resemble amy poehler at times

idk if she is famous, think first time I've seen her, goes for most the cast aside from Hot Donna and American Pie guy and girl. That's not looking up tho, maybe some would click if I knew.

3 eps in, enjoying the show. Liked how they packed the nudity in the first 10 minutes of ep1 Made me keep watching lol


76819, i thought she was diane farr's sister at first
Posted by Calico, Wed Jul-31-13 11:57 PM
...when I saw her years ago in that show about nurses...to me they sound and sound a lot alike....
76820, Tiffany Doggett is one of my favorite TV characters ever
Posted by CherNic, Thu Aug-08-13 07:42 AM
- LOVE her crazy ass
- Love Claudette ungh felt so bad for her
- Poussey really grew on me towards the end
- Love Daya too....listening to her misguided ass mama though smdh

and I love how they really let the actresses' talents shine through. Even ole meek/mute was singing at the end in the Christmas play
76821, i really really did
Posted by lfresh, Thu Aug-08-13 09:46 PM

>- Love Claudette ungh felt so bad for her

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
76822, that was an inspired moment.
Posted by shockzilla, Sun Oct-06-13 05:02 PM
> Even ole meek/mute was singing at the end in the
>Christmas play
>
76823, This is already better than Weeds ever was
Posted by Amritsar, Thu Aug-08-13 10:21 AM
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nryWkAaWjKg
>
>A white woman navigating a world of kooky minorities with
>other white people as her lifeline through her adventures
>
>Why, yes, it is from Jenji Kohan, creator of "Weeds"
76824, Uzo Aduba ("Crazy Eyes") Promoted To Series Regular On 'Orange Is The New Black'
Posted by lfresh, Thu Aug-08-13 09:47 PM
http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/uzo-aduba-crazy-eyes-promoted-to-series-regular-on-orange-is-the-new-black


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.
76825, she was so good
Posted by RobOne4, Fri Aug-09-13 04:26 AM
once they fleshed out her character she became one of my favorites. Especially her doing Shakespeare on that scared straight girl.
76826, Crazy Eyes is the most interesting character
Posted by Fructose Soda, Tue Aug-13-13 07:18 AM
I really like her, but she be wylin tho.
Peeing on the floor, straight staring at Piper like "yeah bitch".
76827, That actress is the best thing about this show
Posted by Mgmt, Sat Aug-24-13 12:02 AM
Btw it really nosedives at the end I want to punch blondie and 70s show girl, hard
76828, lmao @ the first replies in here compared to after it came out
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Aug-22-13 07:58 PM
loved this shit. great characterization all around. really dug the balance of comedy and drama
76829, lol, to be fair tho. I think we all had cause to be skeptical.
Posted by spades, Mon Aug-26-13 01:15 PM
but at least we ain't faking the funk and pretending it's bad when it ain't. W/the exception of a few, of course...
76830, yeah. whats funny is i didnt see the trailer until after i watched
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Aug-26-13 04:08 PM
I thought the trailer was fine, but I had already seen the whole series. I still feel like I would have been interested, but its hard to tell for sure
76831, Too, netflix wrong for dumping a season all at once
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Aug-23-13 07:00 PM
First off the show is great. Was so prepared to hate this but was hooked after three episodes.

Couldn't help but think this show would have generated 100x more posts and tweets if this story was told over 13 weeks. we're are the episode by episode analyseses? After the first couple of positive reviews that lead me to check for the show I avoided all articles and discussions until I was done with the whole thing.

I know we live in an on demand age but there is a value to not being allowed to binge and anticipation building each week for an episode.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
76832, *rolls eyes*
Posted by Rjcc, Sat Aug-24-13 03:44 PM

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
76833, So Laura Prepon may be leaving
Posted by go mack, Sat Aug-24-13 05:29 PM
rumors because of her being a Scientologist. Sounds like she will be in a few eps to wrap up her character but that kinda sucks.

76834, :( I LIKED her in this. I usually can't stand her.
Posted by spades, Tue Aug-27-13 10:38 AM
That REALLY sucks.
76835, What would her Scientology have to do with her leaving?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Aug-27-13 10:48 AM
And why is that a problem now?
76836, Scientologists aren't allowed to portray being in prison
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Wed Sep-04-13 07:41 AM
Because Xenu has freed us from the bondage of prison.
76837, $cientology is anti-gay
Posted by THRILLHOUSE, Wed Sep-04-13 09:50 AM
So they could have issues with her playing a lesbian?
76838, I'm fine with this--thought she was the weak link.
Posted by Jayson Willyams, Tue Aug-27-13 11:03 AM
She always read on-screen as "Laura Prepon playing a convict" to me. Her flashbacks with Piper felt right, but for me, nothing with Alex in prison really came together. Or maybe her eyebrows were just too distracting. I don't know. Bye.
76839, lol, I suspect this may have been the real issue.
Posted by spades, Wed Aug-28-13 10:23 AM
> Or maybe her eyebrows were just too distracting.
76840, Or the mannish bass in her voice
Posted by Mgmt, Tue Sep-03-13 07:54 PM
76841, it seems she changed her mind.
Posted by shockzilla, Sun Oct-06-13 05:04 PM
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/10/laura-prepon-talks-orange-is-the-new-black-season-2---is-she-returning.html
76842, the show is entertaining
Posted by LES, Tue Sep-03-13 01:56 PM
but i'm really surprised its getting so much praise. its slightly above average for me. it took about 5 episodes for me to finally get into it. stuck with it though. hopefully as other people have mentioned we see the back stories of Poussey or Crazy Eyes
76843, i gladly stand corrected,surprised by this ,pretty good !
Posted by DJ007, Fri Nov-01-13 09:03 PM
Watching it for the first time ,very good interesting characters and loved the back stories.


The initial trailer didn't do this series justice at all.
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"You can win with certainty with the spirit of "one cut". "Musashi Miyamoto
76844, just finished binge watching, shit was good--
Posted by bloocollar, Sun Nov-03-13 10:24 PM
Piper's fiance is a complete bitch

i mean Alex seemed like she was ready to duff that pussy

lol at all the men on this show being over emotional pussies or complete rapist scumbags

but good acting and good story all around

cant wait for season 2
76845, Loved it
Posted by 13Rose, Tue Dec-10-13 03:13 PM
I had a hard time sleeping without watching one more episode before bed. I hate Piper and love Crazy Eyes. Her facial expressions are pure comedy GOLD! I can't wait for season 2.

My boy said they are actually filming on his block in the upper west side. I guess that's some scene for Piper's fiance.
76846, finally able to concur with everyone who expected trash and got silver
Posted by Nodima, Mon Dec-23-13 03:56 PM
It's not a golden show, like Weeds it treats a subject I have a little experience with (though in both cases not to the degree any of the subjects do) and manages to make it seem a little too freewheeling. It's VERY easy to forget that this is a prison we're experiencing, but I'm sure they found a few that allow their inmates to roam freely from room to room. It just didn't make sense for a roster that seemed to be halfway full with murderers.


But it was GREAT entertainment, it took me something like 2 months to watch the first 4 episodes but a couple days ago I watched the 5th and was all in from there, I really dug how the layers were repeatedly peeled back on each character and that ending...man. So a post above said Manning is definitely coming back? Piper was clobbering the FUCK out of her, I'm surprised they're going to let her live. My prediction? She got pounded so fucking hard that Piper is going to inadvertently give her a new pair of teeth and it'll be all good between them.


Also, when I was a young kid I stumbled across this song called "Wastin' My Time" by Boomkat through the 8 Mile soundtrack and was hooked on it for a long time. When Manning first appeared on screen I knew she looked familiar - she was one of my boyhood crushes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DavHPP49UPU

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_GuIDnZPHs

Amazing job out of her, she's got talent.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas
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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
76847, LOL, this shis is MEDIOCRE at best
Posted by astralblak, Mon Dec-23-13 05:21 PM
its not great by any means

the acting is cool. it can be funny and "heart warming / breaking" at times, but nothing really happened and I have to suspend my belief a lot. i won't mind watching it, especially over most shit on tv nowadays.

it's no where near as great as House of Cards, fuck outta here with that Bullshit, but yeah whatever
76848, two episodes left and i'm beginning to hate piper
Posted by southphillyman, Mon Jan-06-14 01:22 PM
the majority of the rest of the cast is lovable though
76849, you just now starting to hate Piper?
Posted by DVS, Tue Jan-07-14 03:30 PM
you got that slow burn hatred huh?

it was a wrap for that hoe after like 2 episodes max.

D
76850, Actress who plays Miss Claudette is out of coma (swipe)
Posted by Pamalama, Fri Jan-17-14 11:32 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/01/17/orange-is-the-new-black-actress-wakes-up-from-coma/4584217/


Michelle Hurst was in a car accident before the holidays.


Michelle Hurst, known for her role as the tidy, intimidating Miss Claudette on the Netflix original series Orange Is the New Black, woke up from a medically induced coma Thursday morning, according to an online fundraising page.

The website says the actress was in a "bad car accident just before the holidays" and is currently being treated at the ICU at UNC Chapel Hill Hospital in North Carolina.

"She is out of the coma (after 16 days) and has opened her eyes!" the page reports (the person making updates is unclear, but the organizer of the fundraiser is listed as "Orange is the New Black").

All donations — currently at $13,356, way past the stated goal of $5,000 — will go to Hurst's sister "to help pay for her medical expenses & time off of work," according to the page.

Castmates have turned to Twitter to promote the fundraising page:


"Pls send love & good wishes 2 @OITNB Michelle Hurst (Miss Claudette). if u can, help us raise money 4 her recovery," tweeted OITNB star Taylor Schilling, who plays the show's main character, Piper.


"Please give what you can to help Michelle Hurst - the amazing actress who plays Ms. Claudette on OITNB," wrote Natasah Lyonne, who plays Nicky.

The show's official Twitter account, as well as Piper Kerman, whose memoir inspired the series, also tweeted to help Hurst:


"Thanks to our OITNB family for their thoughts and prayers for Michelle Hurst."


"People you are amazing. In less than 2 days you raised double the goal for Michelle Hurst aka 'Miss Claudette.'"