shit looks tight.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/26/first-look-at-dr-lecter-from-nbcs-hannibal

The first images of actor Mads Mikkelsen (Casino Royale) as the iconic/sadistic Dr. Hannibal Lecter are now online, over at EW.com. Their gallery has a bunch of new photos from Bryan Fuller's (Pushing Daisies) new NBC series, Hannibal, based on the famous characters from Thomas Harris' novels Red Dragon and The Silence of the Lambs.

Hannibal revolves around the partnership formed between FBI profiler Will Graham and "consultant" Lecter; solving serial murder cases together while Lecter's own proclivity for, ahem, eating human flesh remains a secret. Actor Hugh Dancy portrays Graham (played by Edward Norton in Red Dragon) and Laurence Fishburne plays Agent Jack Crawford (played by Scott Glenn in The Silence of the Lambs).

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Just a bit worried of how interesting they can make it out to be and not to turn it into a cliché procedural drama. Hope for the best.

on network TV.....Hbo or something, I would be all in

on NBC - not going to work
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I'm in.

so I give it til Easter before it's cancelled.

SMH

NBC sucks as a network. And Hannibal *COULD* be that prestige show that brings them back for real.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/12/12/hannibal-gillian-anderson/

I need to remember to set my DVR when I get home.

to succeed on NBC:

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/news/21774/tv-review-nbc-s-hannibal-is-smart-creepy-adult-thriller

I can't wait...Hell, I'm even going to try and slip out of work early to get home in time to watch it....

:)

Forgot to DVR it like I knew I would.

about Mads being Hannibal. Probably because i'm so use to Hopkins being Hannibal. The accents are different, he's less charismatic.

However, its' very interesting.
I got a headache so i can't give a great review but it was good.

>about Mads being Hannibal. Probably because i'm so use to
>Hopkins being Hannibal. The accents are different, he's less
>charismatic.
>

Yea, I have to get used to Mads. But, then I realize that this is Fuller's interpretation of Hannibal and he clearly wants hannibal to be more along the lines of being cool, calm, detached and all that...

this is happening before lechter gets caught, etc. so this is supposed to be occurring at a point in which Hannibal is younger, etc. (though the narrative is taking place in present day)...

So, Hannibal should be less on the puns and more on the getting to know Will, etc. since it seems like Lechter is intrigued by Will and wants to get know him...

we all know what happened to Will, so i assume the show will explore what led up to that in it's own way.

But, shout out to Bryan Fuller...he was giving Grand Guginol type horror dream sequences...exactly what I need right now.

I know folk are put off by the dream sequences but I love them.

It was a solid ep, but Laurence Fishburne kinda hammed it up...i hear he gets better in later eps...

>However, its' very interesting.
>I got a headache so i can't give a great review but it was
>good.


NBC better not FUCK THIS UP...this is *THEIR* prestige show. it really is.

I hope folk tuned in, but NBC y'all got a damn good gem on your hands...treat them like you've treated parenthood-a critical darling not getting high ratings but you keep it because it gives the network *THAT* amount of prestige since mostly everything else you have on is a fucking joke....

I think he's bringing a lot to the character...but I'm wondering on the progression on what we see now and the Will we see in the movie

>I think he's bringing a lot to the character...but I'm
>wondering on the progression on what we see now and the Will
>we see in the movie

or IF we see it at all...

or how he gets to that progression...i suspect Fuller will do it in his own way...

Critics keep saying it's his interpretation of the character and the books so who knows?

But, right now, I'm along for the ride. And it seems like most critics are too...

>>about Mads being Hannibal. Probably because i'm so use to
>>Hopkins being Hannibal. The accents are different, he's less
>>charismatic.
>>
>
>Yea, I have to get used to Mads. But, then I realize that this
>is Fuller's interpretation of Hannibal and he clearly wants
>hannibal to be more along the lines of being cool, calm,
>detached and all that...
>
>this is happening before lechter gets caught, etc. so this is
>supposed to be occurring at a point in which Hannibal is
>younger, etc. (though the narrative is taking place in present
>day)...
>
>So, Hannibal should be less on the puns and more on the
>getting to know Will, etc. since it seems like Lechter is
>intrigued by Will and wants to get know him...
>
>we all know what happened to Will, so i assume the show will
>explore what led up to that in it's own way.
>
>But, shout out to Bryan Fuller...he was giving Grand Guginol
>type horror dream sequences...exactly what I need right now.
>
>I know folk are put off by the dream sequences but I love
>them.
>
>It was a solid ep, but Laurence Fishburne kinda hammed it
>up...i hear he gets better in later eps...
>
>>However, its' very interesting.
>>I got a headache so i can't give a great review but it was
>>good.
>
>
>NBC better not FUCK THIS UP...this is *THEIR* prestige show.
>it really is.
>
>I hope folk tuned in, but NBC y'all got a damn good gem on
>your hands...treat them like you've treated parenthood-a
>critical darling not getting high ratings but you keep it
>because it gives the network *THAT* amount of prestige since
>mostly everything else you have on is a fucking joke....

I almost agree about everything you sad except for Mad's Hannibal, I know most people think Hopkins when you mention the name Lecter but I enjoyed this cool and calmer Lecter. I shows him more calculated and less of this charming socialite killer.

NBC needs this show cause everything else they have is a bit of crap.

Now on to my favorite part: The dream sequences they were just beautiful to look at and made me feel like I was actually in a dream. My girl even had to start watching once she saw the first one.

I'm in Mads is that dude and I'm loving everyone on the show and I do hope Fish gets better as the series progresses.

...I'm really tired of shows with asperger-esque leads that are so much smarter than everyone around them, but are quirky and weird. Can't they just be really good at their job and normal?

>...I'm really tired of shows with asperger-esque leads that
>are so much smarter than everyone around them, but are quirky
>and weird. Can't they just be really good at their job and
>normal?

I agree. I guess this is the new main character archetype for tv thrillers and dramas:

asperger-esque/mentally ill characters who are also brilliant as fuck (Carrie from Homeland, Will Graham on this show, hell I read SEVERAL in contention pilots for shows at all networks where the leads were quirky and it was because of their high levels of intelligence...and they had quirks too)...

that's great but i'm with you: can't a lead character in one of these shows just be smart as hell and not come with aspergers (sp?), etc. and that's fine if it's part of the character's framework, then let me push and get my intellectual twerk on with them go along for the ride...

but it does seem kinda like this is becoming a new character, etc.

in the case of Will Graham, it's been a while since I read the books, but i don't remember him being like he is in the tv show, i just remember him being brilliant as hell and that's it.

i could be wrong though.

but i love the show and will keep watching it...quirks and all.

The case itself became an afterthought because they spent scene after scene telling us how Hugh Dancy's character was nutty and could go off the rails.

There was no reason to introduce the female character in this pilot. Those two scenes offered next to nothing; we could have just met her next week.

And I agree on Mads's approach needing some time to get used to. Even Brian Cox's Hannibal was more charming than this.

It was a solid pilot but I'm not sure where they go with it. My fear is that it becomes a little too Dexter-ish.

Otherwise it's an excellent show. It might be the most avant garde show NBC has ever aired. And what is up with that nigga's tie knot?

>Otherwise it's an excellent show. It might be the most avant
>garde show NBC has ever aired. And what is up with that
>nigga's tie knot?

LOL @ tie knot!

I hear Fish gets better as the eps progress. Apparently, the eps he has with Gina Torres (who's playing his wife on the show) are quite good...

but yea, that mofo was CRINGEWORTHY. that scene in the bathroom (THE SHINING REFERENCE! FIYAH!) where he yelled at the guy going in to take a piss? I think my soul winced at how bad that was...

glad it didn't go unnoticed by others :)
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I knew I was in for an interesting show when I read interviews of Bryan Fuller (show creator and show runner) that he had been trying to figure out ways of recreating that bathroom from the shining...and he did!

I like Fuller even more than I did before...

Though I hope his alabaster ass STAYS with the show PAST season 2 (if it gets a season two which I will cautiously assume it will) since he has a habit of LEAVING shows after 2 seasons...

their was enough in the pilot to definitely interest me , yes there were some minor issues but I think the actors can definitely overcome them with time:)
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mainly by stretching it to 24 episodes next season. there's no way this show can support that. if this turns into will and hannibal solving crimes every week, it's gonna suck.

nbc should take a lesson from cable and make shows like this 13 or so episodes per season. that should be their new brand. instead of the 24-episode paint-by-numbers drama that airs fall and spring with reruns in the summer (the kind CBS has a lock on), nbc should have three in-depth 13-episode dramas-- fall, spring, summer. gives the writers more time, results in better stories, gives us new content year-round. hannibal's a good start toward this. they'll mess it up though.

Its gonna turn into that, NBC doesnt give a shit about quality TV as you can tell by the goddamn ad for Ready for Love that was plastered on the screen the whole premiere.

To generate those dollars, because as NBC has proven if they stretch shit it tends to suck. So why not change the game, go with the Cable model and only have 13 eps of really strong scripts and writing?

They're already getting killed in the ratings, why not switch it up and make something better out of what has been handed to you?

>To generate those dollars, because as NBC has proven if they
>stretch shit it tends to suck. So why not change the game, go
>with the Cable model and only have 13 eps of really strong
>scripts and writing?
>
>They're already getting killed in the ratings, why not switch
>it up and make something better out of what has been handed to
>you?

I just dont trust NBC to do an outside the box idea that would most likely work. Network is a fucking joke, which is why I have little faith that this show will work out. I hope it does tho.

dunno about this


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>dunno about this
>

oh you better find ANOTHER reason to tune in because so far, Fishburne has been real off.

he's either overplaying/overacting or underacting. he's all over the place.

I hear he gets better but still...

Keep watching the show...it gets better.

I won't deny the show moves at a somewhat slow pace...but like I said on twitter, if you're a fan of Dexter, CSI, etc...you will like this show.

learning more about Graham is interesting. I can't wait for them to delve into Hannibal.

I'm still here.

But listen...that whole human mushroom garden thing...JESUS CHRIST.

I've seen in a minute.

But yea the writing is top notch and I'm all in.

Still don't love the female shrink and think they could tone down Will's craziness a bit but it's an entertaining show and the mushroom thing was crazy.

I kind of wish they'd cut the female shrink out and give the cases more scenes. First two were solved pretty damn quickly.

>Still don't love the female shrink and think they could tone
>down Will's craziness a bit but it's an entertaining show and
>the mushroom thing was crazy.

I would like to see more of the cases, but the female shrink is a dime piece so na yo.

>I kind of wish they'd cut the female shrink out and give the
>cases more scenes. First two were solved pretty damn quickly.

I totally missed that they talked about Lounds in the first episode, until I watched that shit again.

>Still don't love the female shrink and think they could tone
>down Will's craziness a bit but it's an entertaining show and
>the mushroom thing was crazy.


the mushroom garden had me dry heaving like a mofo on some "OH EWWWW! HE WENT THERE?!?!?!" as i'm struggling to keep my dinner down yikes!

but still the writing is great...and i'm on board.

>
>I kind of wish they'd cut the female shrink out and give the
>cases more scenes. First two were solved pretty damn quickly.


I like Alana Bloom (well, Alan in the books). I suspect that she's going to become part of Hannibal's plan to get Will...and I think if they follow aspects of the books, but I think the shrink will end up being one of Hannibal's victims...I don't know.

But I agree with the case issue and Will's cray crayness. we get it...he's dealing with serious personality disorders. Ok, MOVE ON.

But, I dig how Hugh Dancy is playing him...

really solid and really good show that I feel is getting better as the eps progress.

And it got to the first reveal of the garden and I was like, "I better put this sandwich down." Then that body grabbing will and gasping it's last breath and I almost lost everything I had just ate.

That was easily the most fucked up image I have ever seen on a network TV show.

Him and Atticus Ross need to get on this shit.

>Him and Atticus Ross need to get on this shit.


RIGHT?! But NBC ain't got Trent and Atticus money.

though, they should FIND that money and pay them...they would be perfect for scoring this show.

This shit needs to be on HBO stat...

>This shit needs to be on HBO stat...


and NBC yet AGAIN fuck up a quality show that they dropped from their network because it was too "dark" for them (SOUTHLAND, anyone?)

and give HBO yet *ANOTHER* win?

smh please...NBC will keep this. I doubt they'd be stupid to drop it...

oh wait, it's NBC. THEY WOULD BE STUPID.

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you know that for sure?

yea, we think they will. But, given NBC's past with tv shows, I'm not saying it's for sure going to pick it up UNTIL NBC renews the show for another season...

so we don't know. *WE* all know it's a winner but does NBC *KNOW* it's a winner?

if Hannibal stays steady with it's ratings and goes UP, even if it's slightly, every ep this season, then they'll proabaly keep it.

if it slips, really even once, then worry.

>

but you aren't getting it...

FX wouldn't pick it up if it got canceled because THEY didn't develop the property AT ALL...

I don't see FX or any other network taking Hannibal on if it was canceled.

what made southland different was that John Wells had a prodution deal with Warner Bros TV, who does shows with TNT and NBC if i'm not mistaken.

Wells was able to shop Southland to Warner Bros because of his deal and the fact that TNT wanted to keep doing business with him.

Bryan Fuller doesn't have such a deal with FX or 20th Century Fox for that matter...

NBC has paid Fuller VERY WELL to create content for the network. NBCV would keep him before letting him go somehwere else...

is FX really next level? because AMC, HBO, Showtime, and every other cable channel with an edgy, gritty and dark as show would say they're next level also...

this week's episode was super intense

was debating on this or Bates Motel for another show to watch

Skimming a few posts here, this looks like its the one, correct?

So in my opinion easier to get with.

I have to be honest, I enjoy this show but it's slow moving. And I wonder if part of that is because we already know how the story ends. A prequel for a movie series is actually quite odd now that I think about it.

So now there is a bunch of anticipation about what Hannibal is going to do. When will we see him bug out.

The woman journalist got on my nerves to know end...she has the biggest agenda and didn't realize she's doing way more harm than good.

Anyway...with that said, next week looks like it will be more my speed. Let's get into more crimes. LOL.

>The woman journalist got on my nerves to know end

They've written her so fucking shrill that I find myself full of rage whenever she's on screen. And not in a good way. She is WAY too manipulative, and they would've thrown her ass in jail for hindering their investigation for half of the shit she's pulled.

Also, I ain't buying that she'd still be so fucking gung ho after watching that cop get shot right in front of her own face last week.

gonna have to watch it online i guess. this is weak as hell tho.

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After several particularly violent months in America, NBC has decided to pull episode four of frosh drama “Hannibal” from its lineup due to the disturbing content involving children murdering other children.

Fourth episode of the grisly serial killer drama featured Molly Shannon’s character brainwashing kids, leading them to kill other children.

Episode four was slated to air next week. Peacock will instead move directly to episode five. While the drama is serialized, NBC claims there will be no continuity issues, noting that TV critics have seen episodes three and five, and not four.

Decision arose after series creator Bryan Fuller phoned NBC and told the net that, “given the cultural climate right now in the U.S., I think we shouldn’t air the episode in its entirety.”

“I didn’t want to have anyone come to the show and have a negative experience,” Fuller told Variety. “Whenever you a story and look at the sensational aspects of storytelling, you think, ‘This is interesting metaphorically, and this is interesting as social commentary.’ With this episode, it wasn’t about the graphic imagery or violence. It was the associations that came with the subject matter that I felt would inhibit the enjoyment of the overall episode. … It was my own sensitivity.”

Fuller cited the Sandy Hook shooting in December and this week’s Boston Marathon bombings as the root of this sensitivity issue. “Hannibal,” from Gaumont Intl., was filmed before the events in Newtown, Conn., had transpired.

By pulling episode four from the lineup, NBC has effectively bumped the frosh season of “Hannibal” up a week. The season finale for “Hannibal,” originally slated for June 27, will now be on June 20.

Incident is just another example of TV execs and creatives pulling content in the wake of violent events over the last few months. This week, ABC pushed an episode of “Castle” where Detective Kate Beckett steps on a pressure-sensitive bomb to April 29, though Alphabet may push the episode even further if it is still deemed too insensitive given recent events.

What’s more, after the Sandy Hook shooting, Syfy yanked an episode of “Haven,” which featured a school violence storyline. TLC delayed one-off “Best Funeral Ever” and Fox pulled episodes of its Sunday night toon skeins “Family Guy” and “American Dad” that execs felt were inappropriate given what had occurred in Connecticut days earlier.

Fans of “Hannibal” will still be able to see clips from episode four, however. NBC is making a package of clips from the yanked episode available on NBC.com next week. It focuses on character development and not the procedural element featured in episode four of “Hannibal.” Package will feature Fuller offering voice over and discussing the series.

“This is also a great opportunity to provide another platform for the show that can draw audiences to social media and give them original content that’s not just a behind-the-scenes special, but a webisode featuring the primary cast, which is a rare thing to get on the net,” Fuller explained.

But, mostly, Fuller said, “We want to be respectful of the social climate we’re in right now.”

Peacock notes that the fourth episode will run overseas, but not in the States.

They can't afford negative pushback with what could be their anchor show.

thanks.

It's in 6 parts as a webseries, entitled Ceuf. They extracted all the stuff related to the case of the week.

if nothing else i feel it should be available on the hannibal website.

either way...why is NBC still showing commericals for this episode if it won't air.

I'll go check imdb. i know someone on their got it somehow.

Episode 5, that is. The killer making folks into angels. This episode hit the internet yesterday, btw.

Never saw previews for the pulled episode (episode 4).

So now I'm actually happy. Lol.

I think some station called AXN India is airing it tonight

so hopefully a webrip will surface in the next couple days...I'm holding off on watching the "CEUF Webisodes" to see if the whole thing goes up soon

>if nothing else i feel it should be available on the hannibal
>website.
>
>either way...why is NBC still showing commericals for this
>episode if it won't air.
>
>I'll go check imdb. i know someone on their got it somehow.

like multiple times...lol Probably not as graphic as the hannibal episode but still...wtf
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atmosphere works for Hannibal.

>atmosphere works for Hannibal.


it does. and on the low, the writing is on fucking fire and on point.

Bryan Fuller is, quietly, one of the best writer/showrunners around.

really, he is.

>>atmosphere works for Hannibal.
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>
>it does. and on the low, the writing is on fucking fire and on
>point.
>
>Bryan Fuller is, quietly, one of the best writer/showrunners
>around.
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>really, he is.

daps nigga.

Son, after Heroes fell off the bandwagon he wrote the only other episode, that came back to Season One level which was Cold Snap. Classic episode. Too bad it's surrounded by shit as it's like the 15th or 17th episode of Season 3.

>>>atmosphere works for Hannibal.
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>>it does. and on the low, the writing is on fucking fire and
>on
>>point.
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>>Bryan Fuller is, quietly, one of the best writer/showrunners
>>around.
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>>really, he is.
>
>daps nigga.
>
>Son, after Heroes fell off the bandwagon he wrote the only
>other episode, that came back to Season One level which was
>Cold Snap. Classic episode. Too bad it's surrounded by shit as
>it's like the 15th or 17th episode of Season 3.

yup.

Fuller is a great writer. And, i'm glad that he's getting the chance to write and bring his vision to television...

and i'm *GLAD* he FINALLY brought a horror based tv show on the air...

Those fuckers in corporate don't give two fucks about "the sensitive nature of current events." If they did, they'd pull the show for a week. Not just pick another episode. It all seems like a publicity ploy to me.

Anyone find the real full episode of four yet?

been up since last night. has hardcoded korean subs, but its fine.

its a cool show NBC got one I hope they don't fugg it up

And that wasn't anything they couldn't have shown. Like I said above, fuck NBC for this.

it's the best thing on that network now

It's gotta be expensive to produce and the ratings have plummeted. Unless they think Brian Fuller has a plan to boost the ratings (and I'm not sure if bringing in David Bowie, while an awesome idea, is going to really bring in the key 18 - 34 demo), this one is probably going to get cancelled.

something about the way it's produced or something.
read that on another forum of tv nerds.

The cast alone seems expensive, there's a lot of makeup/effects, and Fuller even built a bathroom for a Shining reference, something he said he couldn't do on Pushing Daises because of budget restrictions.

Maybe the locations help because they are in a lot of empty fields and vacant warehouses and a lot of scenes are in Hannibal's office.

it's co-financed with overseas production companies, so if you're just looking at NBC's buy-in, it's cheap.

It's OK but I feel like the investigations continue to almost be an afterthought (even though the cases have all been striking). Will's usefulness is almost entirely based on his gift/curse and I still feel like his character has been made into too crazy. If he was a good agent who was slowly seeing the effects, it would be better.
Similarly, the personal stuff is also too big. I'd rather have seen Will's issues in his personal life slowly grow rather than just see very little of his home life until we see him sleepwalking. The show itself feels like a slow burn but the story is actually pretty rushed. Let me meet and hear more about Fishburne's wife before dropping her into an episode and giving her cancer.

I'd have liked to see HBO or FX get their hands on this. Kudos to NBC for trying something different but this is out of their wheelhouse and it shows.

>It's OK but I feel like the investigations continue to almost
>be an afterthought (even though the cases have all been
>striking).

....that the investigations are all I care about on this show. The actual storylines, not so much.

But I still love this show, skinny legs and all. The only thing that is really starting to bother me is how uncharismatic Mads Mikkelsen is. Great actor. Definitely gives the right kind of creepy vibe. But he lacks the charm that Lechter needs to have (to me at least).

I mean, would ANYBODY be surprised if he turned out to be a killer? Hannibal is supposed to be this larger than life, charismatic guy and Mads is playing him as creepy and fairly cold.

But it's been cool catching up tonight, via OnDemand. Thanks to a shitty babysitter, SotL was my first R movie.

I actually prefer this to the movie series.

which isn't hard to do since i really only like SOTL.

>I actually prefer this to the movie series.

another solid ep...

Man, I need that fat patient of Hannibal's TO DIE...damn. like he just wasn't getting it at all...

i loved how they had the flashback of Hannibal being in his patient's place when he was trying to do the same thing to Dr. Du Maurier (Scully...i guess white don't crack because she looked amazing) and she read his ass for psychiatrist filth which was hilarious.

but it was a really good ep.

and the promo for this week?! Dude gon Sydney Bristow Hannibal and that reveal?! damn...

I hope NBC brins this back for season 2.

I get the impression they are slowly portraying him less reserved and cold, and more into the Hannibal we're familiar with. The charm, the dramatic flair, etc. My guess is that is to coincide with him eventually being found out, and he gets to really be himself.

When Lecter was in that ambulance rubbing on that dudes kidney, Will had that look on his face like, "Your on the list not MoFo."



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And then his follow up about him working as a surgeon.... he got that number.

per Deadline

i feel like NBC had to despite the ratings. this show has potential to find an audience.

for the coming season look to be skewing *darker* in theory...

Hannibal *MIGHT* have a home after all...

and last night's ep was simply outstanding.

it really is.

:)

i tried my best to hate on it, but it's incredibly watchable. i'm not hooked yet. like, if i never saw another episode, i wouldn't march on washington to get it picked up by TNT. but if i'm watching TV thursday night at 10, it's hannibal.

it's way too graphic and dark to ever do real numbers, but it'll do NBC one better than that-- it'll help them rebuild their brand. way more important for them than the viewership right now. NBC just needs to get (and keep) some good television on the air, if only to prove they still can.

>i tried my best to hate on it, but it's incredibly watchable.
> i'm not hooked yet. like, if i never saw another episode, i
>wouldn't march on washington to get it picked up by TNT. but
>if i'm watching TV thursday night at 10, it's hannibal.
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>it's way too graphic and dark to ever do real numbers, but
>it'll do NBC one better than that-- it'll help them rebuild
>their brand. way more important for them than the viewership
>right now. NBC just needs to get (and keep) some good
>television on the air, if only to prove they still can.


basically. NBC needs to rebuild itself and figure out WHO they want to be and realize that they need to focus on being a DISTINCTIVE network, rather than one that's trying to compete with others that are way more established and settled (ABC, CBS)

focus on building their brand and moving forward.

NBC needs to accept that, for the most part, for the time being, they will be a low performing network with shows averaging 3M-10M at most...

They might need to rethink greenlighting EVENT dramas as 20+ episode series and instead doing midseason and/or summer runs of those shows as 13-18 eps and call it a day, cause real talk, REVOLUTION has *NOT* worked in it's current format. Give it a smaller order and watch it do better numbers...

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>They might need to rethink greenlighting EVENT dramas as 20+
>episode series and instead doing midseason and/or summer runs
>of those shows as 13-18 eps and call it a day, cause real
>talk, REVOLUTION has *NOT* worked in it's current format. Give
>it a smaller order and watch it do better numbers...
>

it was still incredibly dumb, but way less cliched and predictable. and at least it wasn't boring like the first half was. i know the suits intervened on that point because there's a huge difference in the show in the second half.

hopefully they figure out how to make it entertaining AND smart in the offseason. but i'll settle for it continuing to be entertaining.

the suits need to let them act too. i've heard where Charlie's actress told her she needed to be more bland basically. wtf?

I am a fan of Hettienne Park.

>I am a fan of Hettienne Park.


she's fantastic on the show. I could care less for two dudes on the team because they're kinda playing the same character (though Scott Thompson from Kids In The Hall fame on this show? I am loving that and he gets more an edge from me than Aron Abrams (sp?))

it's an interesting read about violence on the show...

http://www.indiewire.com/article/how-hannibal-earns-its-violence?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#

There are shows on the air with higher body counts, from the constant string of corpses being shuffled through "C.S.I." to the frequent offings in "The Following" and the hack-and-slashery of "Game of Thrones," but for my dollars, there's no small screen violence more disturbing than that of "Hannibal," the excellent "Silence of the Lambs" prequel series created by Bryan Fuller. It's not the amount of gore in the show so much as the imagination that goes into it -- that Dr. Hannibal Lecter (Mads Mikkelsen) frequently cooks up human offal into fussy, exquisite-looking dishes he serves to his unknowing guests is really the least of it.

People have had the skin on their back flayed and suspended on hooks like wings, have been buried alive to serve as mushroom beds, have had their throats cut open and their vocal chords treated so that they could be played like a cello. One particularly haunting scene had the child of a killer realizing her father had been using all of the parts of his victims like an efficient outdoorsman, and cutting open a throw pillow to find it filled with human hair. In last night's episode, "Buffet Froid," the victim had her face slashed in a fashion known as a Chelsea smile, her jaw gaping unnaturally wide in death.

READ MORE: NBC Renews Bryan Fuller's Serial Killer Drama 'Hannibal' for a Second Season

The intensity of these scenes has caused some mild fuss about the show -- the fourth episode, about brainwashed, killer children, was pulled at Fuller's request, with the character development sequences snipped out and released online. Salt Lake City's NBC affiliate station KSL-TV pulled the show after four episodes due to viewer complaints.

But for the most part, even the unsettlingly gruesome disfigurings "Hannibal" has come to specialize in have gone uncommented on, so inured are we to onscreen violence these days. But "Hannibal" is unusual, and commendable, really, in that part of the point of the show is the fallout of watching such things, is whether the main character, the increasingly distraught FBI special investigator Will Graham (Hugh Dancy), will someone be changed into a killer himself by all the things he's seen and absorbed.

The link between observing violence and causing it is brought up every time a new tragedy becomes news -- what video games did this shooter play, what movies did he like? There's no real evidence of causality, but the topic gets brought up again and again. It's a convenient way to turn the conversation away from issues like gun control, certainly, but it's also an idea that haunts us in a way that has nothing to do with reason -- that people somehow become numb to the realities of violence after seeing too much of it, real or faked, that it can contaminate them. "Hannibal" is a kind of dramatization of that fear by way of a protagonist who's particularly porous, who has very little grounding and no shield between himself and the things he sees.

We watch the same violence Will does, though he exists in the world of the show in which it's real instead of comfortably on the other side of the screen. He's still fundamentally an observer, one who arrives to commune with the crime scene when it's as fresh and undisturbed as possible. His dilemma is an interesting one -- he's the theoretical problem viewer in the otherwise fine mass audience, the one who can't separate himself from what he's seeing.

That's also his superpower, what makes him such a brilliant profiler -- he has an "empathy disorder" that allows him to put himself in the place of the killers, to understand where they're coming from and why they did what they did, an ability the show displays by having Will there, committing the murders himself. He's able to lose himself in the story implied by the evidence, and as the show's progressed, he's become more and more worried he can't get back out.

"There's a grandiosity to the violence I imagined that feels more real than what I know is true," he said in "Buffet Froid" -- he's making it more cinematic, more grand, more screen-worthy. More enjoyable, or so he worries. And while the episode also made us aware of how Will's splintering sanity isn't just due to psychological stress, it also set up the external forces that are pulling him in two. Hannibal wants him to go from observer to doer, to give in to the killer he believes is within as his sense of reality continues to blur, while Special Agent-in-Charge Jack Crawford (Laurence Fishburne) needs him to be able to keep looking and then shaking it off, to use the fact that he's saving lives as an anchor ("Is it me, or is it becoming easier for you to look?").

And Will keeps slipping between reality and the world in his head, such that he's terrified he'll kill someone and not even know it. It's a fascinating treatment of very familiar subject matter -- serial killers, who deserve their own TV genre -- that manages to give it a new kind of weight and impact beyond being just lurid, something that's helped by how secondary the episode-by-episode cases are compared to the slowly developing relationships between the main characters. It's not a procedural about finding killers -- it's a drama about the battle for Will's soul.

they blur the lines between reality & illusion so much on this show that i'm always wondering wtf is going on.

i wonder how much further Hannibal is going to let Will go.

http://eattherude.blogspot.com/search/label/Annotations

A lot of little easter eggs that I missed.

Also.... I hear we're getting Mason Verger next season. Can't wait.

>http://eattherude.blogspot.com/search/label/Annotations
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>A lot of little easter eggs that I missed.
>
>Also.... I hear we're getting Mason Verger next season. Can't
>wait.

yes...I found this site last week. This is great! And that would be fantastic if Mason Verger pops up...I wonder who they'll get to play him?

> that
>would be fantastic if Mason Verger pops up...I wonder who
>they'll get to play him?


*fingers crossed*

oh *THAT'S* going to be ill....

I don't even care if he is Verger, he's on the show next season? got damn...can April 2014 come quickly enough?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.list.co.uk/article/50599-david-tennant-to-play-killer-in-hannibal/

But as crazy as that is, how awesome would THIS be?: http://divinevarod.com/2013/04/27/could-david-bowie-join-david-tennant-in-hannibal/

>http://www.list.co.uk/article/50599-david-tennant-to-play-killer-in-hannibal/
>
>But as crazy as that is, how awesome would THIS be?:
>http://divinevarod.com/2013/04/27/could-david-bowie-join-david-tennant-in-hannibal/


GOT DAMN! #broomhildafaints

#EatTheEmmys
#EatTheRude

He's in a goddamn hospital and they can't diagnose it!? C'mon.

I was just saying to someone how shocked I am that they are spinning the wheels as fast as they are on the overarching story. This season's gotta end with Hannibal on the run, right?

>He's in a goddamn hospital and they can't diagnose it!?
>C'mon.
>
>I was just saying to someone how shocked I am that they are
>spinning the wheels as fast as they are on the overarching
>story. This season's gotta end with Hannibal on the run,
>right?

yes. this encephalitis thread is weak.

My dad texted me last night on some: "wait, so hannibal can slip into the hospital, drop ol girl a comb into her oxygen chamber that he knows will cause static electricity, kill her and slip away unnoticed? that shit is just as bad as Graham being in a hospital and Doctors being UNABLE to address his encephalitis and *KNOW* the shit is being aggravated by food he ate later that day".

I mean, I get it. But, not like this.

And, yes, it seems like they're just pushing this shit along to get us to I assume, the Lecter-Graham fight where Lecter fucks Will up, thereby getting us to Manhunter/Red Dragon I assume?


great up but these lagging storyline narrative threads are meh.

why does it say there are 129 total replies when only 120 are being shown? weird

>why does it say there are 129 total replies when only 120 are
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>>why does it say there are 129 total replies when only 120
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yea i figured as much after I posted this (and couldn't go back in and edit it on some "oh shit, y'all! My bad it's cause of the board falling apart the other day! *fingerguns into a body roll*)

Last two episodes were awesome. Season 2 will be very interesting.

Damn son.

Hannibal is a cold blooded motherfucker. And yo his psychiatrist know about it too?!?!

I can't wait for next season. I'm on pins and needles to see how Will is gonna get out of the mental institution. And how are they gonna build up to "Red Dragon" if it starts in Season 4? BF needs to start that shit in Season 3 B.

Also, I know he wants to end the show with "Silence of Lambs" and this show is only 7 seasons, so how does get all that if "RD" starts in Season 4?

The DVR numbers are great but I don't know how they think a costly show getting a 1.9 rating is going to last that long.

I'm not even sure if can be Southlanded unless Showtime or HBO picks it up because it's an expensive show to make and it'll only get pricier if the cast needs to re-up their deals.

..."This is bullshit America! Save Hannibal"

http://collider.com/hannibal-season-2-news-bryan-fuller-red-dragon/

While it’s been a pretty regular occurrence over the past few years that the television shows on cable are far superior in nearly every way to those on network TV, one new show this past season renewed my faith that a compelling drama can still exist on one of the Big Four networks. Pushing Daises creator Bryan Fuller tackled familiar source material for the NBC series Hannibal, but the show progressed in such a way that it quickly became my most anticipated program to watch each week. Fuller and principal director David Slade crafted a wildly engrossing and moody take on the Hannibal Lecter/Will Graham relationship from Thomas Harris’ books, buoyed by masterful performances from Mads Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy.

While the series wrapped up its 12-episode first season last night with a stellar finale, fans are now eagerly looking forward to how the story progresses in season two. Fuller recently spoke quite frankly about where things will go in season two and beyond, even revealing at which point the Red Dragon storyline will kick in and his hopes to eventually tackle Silence of the Lambs. Hit the jump to read on.

While Hannibal struggled quite a bit in the ratings in its first season, NBC thankfully decided to renew the show for season two. Speaking in an extensive interview with HitFix’s Alan Sepinwall, Fuller revealed that he had the final shot of the season in his mind before he had even written a page of the series, and added that season two will indeed involve a trial for Will and will also find Laurence Fishburne’s Jack Crawford facing repercussions of his own:

“What’s exciting for me is that you’ve seen the finale, and now what would happen in that situation to someone in Jack Crawford’s position has to happen. I think he would be brought before a review board. I think his leadership would be questioned. It’s exciting to keep the story honest: that Crawford just doesn’t get to have a trainee pulled out of a classroom and brutally murdered by the most-wanted serial killer, under his watch, and then also lose another special agent that he pulls into his purview to investigate these crimes and that he’d be surprised at, ‘Holy crap, this guy murdered these people, as well.’ I think Jack Crawford is going to have a lot of soul-searching for himself and for his superiors at the FBI in season 2.”

In an interview with IGN, Fuller noted that we will see a different Will Graham in the second season now that the tables have turned and the nature of his relationship with Hannibal has changed significantly:

“I think that’s the new dynamic… until it changes. What I love is that we see Will Graham has hit rock bottom and can be much more of a threat than he would have been in the first season, because he had no idea what was happening to him. Now that he has a better idea, he’s going to be a much scrappier version of Will Graham.”

Going further down the road, Fuller elaborated a bit when speaking with HitFix about exactly which Harris characters they have the rights to and who might be popping up in season two:

“We are able to use any character that originated in Red Dragon. We have access to characters in the book Hannibal. There are a few characters from that book like Mason and Margot Verger that we want to use in the second season of Hannibal, and we’re negotiating right now character rights to use them. We would have to pay a fee per episode. The Silence of the Lambs characters are owned by MGM. That’s where it gets more tricky. “

Speaking of Silence, Fuller added that he would love to eventually tackle that story and provided a timeline of events season-by-season for the show going forward:

“Season 4 would be Red Dragon. We have this first season, which was the meet cute of Hannibal Lecter and Will Graham — or ‘eat cute,’ I should say. For me, the idea of doing the definitive Hannibal Lecter adaptation was really attractive to me. Silence of the Lambs would be season 5 of the timeline. My secret dream is that MGM sees the show, says, ‘Ohmigod, we love this show. Why don’t we collaborate on this season?’ But that may be a pipe dream. If they never agree to play ball with us in terms of letting us use some of those characters, then the plan would be to do the events of ‘Silence of the Lambs,’ but slightly different. So instead of Buffalo Bill, we would come up with another killer that arcs over the season. Instead of Clarice Starling, we would have Flarice Karling, that tells a bit of that story without interrupting the canon that audiences are expecting. That’s fortunately four years away. So hopefully there’s inspiration and hopefully collaboration that could make that more fulfilling for me as a Thomas Harris buff, and for audiences who also love those characters and want to see them in this world, and to see what Clarice Starling would be like sitting across from Mads Mikkelsen as Hannibal Lecter.”

I’m incredibly excited about the idea of seeing Fuller fulfill his definitive Hannibal Lecter story arc, but it would be interesting to see if they drop the Will Graham character altogether should they get the opportunity to delve into Silence of the Lambs territory. For now, though, I can’t wait to see how the Hannibal story progresses next season. If you’re also enticed by the prospect of seeing the above storylines come to fruition, tell your friends! Hopefully the show can deliver some solid ratings next season, which would ensure its future moving forward.

Way better than I expected especially for it being its first season.

And it still wont be great (and or on) because of NBC.

I can't wait for this show to come back. Easily one of my favorites on air currently.

I liked the ending. Mostly because they cleared up that stupid encephalitis storyline. But Scully knowin' what Hannibal is was the defining moment of the episode for me.

that and word of mouth would increase ratings for next season i am sure. I enjoyed this season a lot.

some great acting all around and it doesn't mind taking its time with things and letting stuff bubble under the surface for a while....nice tension creepyness....i LOVE that about it. for me, hannibals murders themselves werent the main thing, for most engaging part of the show is the rotating relationships between the characters and trying to determine each of their motivations, levels of suspicion and breaking points....

well done....