Trailer

http://youtu.be/_5yY7MOUKIs

She's back!

i see my post didn't make it through the black out

i c yall
'cism

*clicks*
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I can't wait looks awesome!

Return of Alice and a new love interest - that's what's up!

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..no expectations

i appreciate that they put together a solid trailer without tippin' their hand about anything significant for the comin' season.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

Now i'm good, i'm pretty sure she's only in it for a minute, but I love that character and she's such an integral part of the show.

I'm happy.

I hope they corrected that and Alice is going to figure somehow into this season...

Alice is yang to Luther's ying...she really is.

*and let's be real, Season 2 was hot doo doo balls because she was barely in it*

hopefully they get back on with Alice this year.

its really painful to look at those red duck lips

she can be gone
i'll be fine
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She understands John better than really anyone else.

Their play off of eachother was the best part of season 1.

she was ok

its definitely time to move on
the last season was refreshing with less alice

she can play a small side role
shes played out
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>she was ok
>
>its definitely time to move on
>the last season was refreshing with less alice

and folk complained that season 2 was all over the map and *NOT* as good because Alice wasn't in Luther's crosshairs.

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>she can play a small side role
>shes played out
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is she played out or is it just the fact that you don't like how she looks?

be honest.

>>she was ok
>>
>>its definitely time to move on
>>the last season was refreshing with less alice
>
>and folk complained that season 2 was all over the map and
>*NOT* as good because Alice wasn't in Luther's crosshairs.

that would not be me

>>she can play a small side role
>>shes played out
>>~~~~
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>is she played out or is it just the fact that you don't like
>how she looks?
>
>be honest.


shes played out
she had a schtick and its done dude


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>>>she was ok
>>>
>>>its definitely time to move on
>>>the last season was refreshing with less alice
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>>and folk complained that season 2 was all over the map and
>>*NOT* as good because Alice wasn't in Luther's crosshairs.
>
>that would not be me

its not you. but, it's actually many people. Personally, I dug series 2 but the lack of an actual "villain" persay and the more "procedural" take the second season had left me cold and I wasn't interested.

I'll have to rewatch the first two seasons again before S3 and see if my opinions have changed much.

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>>>she can play a small side role
>>>shes played out
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>>is she played out or is it just the fact that you don't like
>>how she looks?
>>
>>be honest.
>
>
>shes played out
>she had a schtick and its done dude
>

but what's her "schtick" though? please explain.

because her "schtick" is clearly coming from what she is given by Neil Cross.

I'm generally curious how you think she's played out and why she's played out.

If she's "played" out persay, why is her character even popping up in Series 3? for a "played" out character, I doubt Cross would have put her in this series. But, he did...and Cross has been quite clear he loves writing for Alice so...yea.

just curious why you think she's played out and it's done when it seems clear she's not on the show....

>I'm generally curious how you think she's played out and why
>she's played out.
>
>If she's "played" out persay, why is her character even
>popping up in Series 3? for a "played" out character, I doubt
>Cross would have put her in this series. But, he did...and
>Cross has been quite clear he loves writing for Alice
>so...yea.
>
>just curious why you think she's played out and it's done when
>it seems clear she's not on the show....

you just said it seems clear shes not on the show
shes a guest
she played
her story line is over and done and its being dragged out
ie played out
shes only good for a brief guest appearance
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..not a nemesis

while most people are truly smitten by the chemistry created between luther & alice, she's not his ultimate adversary.

honestly, one of the greatest things about this series is that its different from anything else on tv. the approach, the premise, the discipline. its contrary to almost everything that's come before it.

one of the best things about learning john luther is the discovery of small pieces of his character along the way that reveal an incredibly courageous, yet fragile individual. yes, the bravado, the calm, the fury... its all there. still, deep down inside, everyone around him knows that something's not quite right.

we know it.

HE knows it.

as they continue to peel back the layers, alice's role will decrease. while i doubt that he'll ever be rid of her, her character is strong enough to survive a reduced role in the series. she's firmly entrenched, but powerful enough that you don't need to see much of her to feel her presence in his life.

this is why alice fits so comfortably in his world, without distraction. she fills a void for us (and him). she's there to remind him (and everyone else) who he truly is:

a fractured man, struggling to make sense of the world around him, who uses his job to distract him from the truth.

truth is, luther's greatest adversary is... luther


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

>truth is, luther's greatest adversary is... luther


hence i'm good on alice

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>
>you just said it seems clear shes not on the show
>shes a guest
>she played
>her story line is over and done and its being dragged out
>ie played out
>shes only good for a brief guest appearance


i simply asked why you don't like her. it does seem like she's an accessory but all i saw was a trailer and she was in it.

i like her but if i know season 2 was a mess and one of the reasons pointed to the lack of Alice in it and Neil Cross admits he loves writing for her but she wasn't there, then clearly, she's will potentially be a part of series 3...who knows?

shit mama might get a bullet between the eyes in the police station in the scene she apparently is in.

i don't know...but as much as I like the show, I did feel that season 2 suffered when it went to a more recognizable procedural show than what it was season 1.

and i did notice that and feel (me personally) that alice lack of a presence made the show inconsistency more apparent...

but i don't care i'm still watching.


and girl why is you comin for me? i just asked a question, daaaang?

DON'T TASE ME, FRESH! I JUST ASKED A QUESTION!

*ducks and runs for cover*

watch no more red duck lips and like it!




lalalalalalalalalalalalalala
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>watch no more red duck lips and like it!
>
>
>
>
>lalalalalalalalalalalalalala
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leave her alone! LOLOLOL!

they owe it to the fans.

not really, but I'd love to see it.

I loved both season equally. I can't wait for whatever madness awaits us in Season 3.

Does anyone know if it's true whether or not this is the last season and that it's gonna be followed by a movie.

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I do not like the fact the movie is gonna be an origin story.

http://collider.com/luther-movie-news-idris-elba/

Star Idris Elba and creator Neil Cross have been talking about a possible feature film adaptation of their BBC drama series Luther for quite some time now. On the heels of the premiere of crime drama’s third series, Elba has now dropped a few details regarding how that potential Luther movie will play out. Should the film get the go ahead, Elba says it would pull heavily from Cross’ prequel novel Luther: The Calling and would delve into the origins of Elba’s detective inspector John Luther. Moreover, it has been officially announced that the four-episode third series will premiere on BBC One this coming July 2nd.

Hit the jump to see what else Elba had to say about the Luther movie.

During a BAFTA screening yesterday evening, Elba talked a bit about the proposed Luther film (via Digital Spy):

“If we do decide to make this film, the spine of the film will probably come from The Calling - which is the book – and that starts at the beginning of who Luther is and where he’s come from.”

Elba went on to say that he hopes the film will bring in a new audience for the show/character, but he and Cross also want to please the diehard fans. However, Elba was quick to point out that the Luther movie is certainly not a guarantee:

“ a goal, it’s a goal for Neil and I, for sure – we’ve talked about it at length,” he said. “We haven’t got into any sort of deal stage or anything like that, but it’s certainly a goal. We did six episodes , then we did four, then we waited a year and a half and then we did another four. That’s training our fans to gear up towards what could be either a film or maybe a television special and then a film.”

So it sounds like the plan for Luther going forward doesn’t involve any more full series, but instead will possibly include a TV special and the film. Be sure to catch the third season premiere on BBC One July 2nd.

And if you somehow get links, whether it's live or torrent, PLEASE DON'T POST THEM HERE

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Get it how you live it

Damn, they done turned Ripley, y'all, though I must have missed what would happen to Ripley had he not agreed to go along with the plan

Can't wait for the moment when John puts two and two together

Though he might have already done so

Also, I like the new girl, I hope she's in every scene for the rest of the season just to piss lfresh off

I'm diggin' it

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>Damn, they done turned Ripley, y'all, though I must have
>missed what would happen to Ripley had he not agreed to go
>along with the plan


I was happy that he was back
Sheeit He's cute

>Can't wait for the moment when John puts two and two together
>
>Though he might have already done so
>
>Also, I like the new girl, I hope she's in every scene for the
>rest of the season just to piss lfresh off
>


How so?
It's not duck lips


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Ripley's been wishy washy before. That's kind of his whole thing, to me, but he always ends up having Luther's back late. If they have to end the show it'd make sense to me he'd finally just be fed up with Luther's wild ways.


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I mean, he got so mad at Luther not taking the bait with all of his inquiries and shit that he got fed up and tried to fight him? Then as a result of that fight, he decided to go tell ol' boy that he was right and needed to be taken down? Just didn't add up to me.

I'm looking forward to the twist where we go back to the fight and we see, as they tussle, Luther and Ripley talking to each other like two wrestlers calling spots, and we see and hear that Ripley's warning Luther that someone's after him, and Luther tells Ripley to go with it until the time is right to squash it

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Justin is his ace, he'll always have his back in the end. So I don't see how all of a sudden a little brown puss and talk of conviction just gone get him to turn, wait on the other hand.......

> a little brown puss

I've seen n*ggas flip for less

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DS Gray is problematic for me. Actually a lot of stuff is.

In Season 2 she saw Luther do these two things:
1)Save a van full of school children with only seconds to spare from being suffocated, stuffed into tubes and disappeared forever..

and

2)Douse himself with gasoline, get into a the back of a rig with a psychopath who has a suicide bomb vest and somehow.

So Luther using a computer behind her back, or saying "confiscate the phones" is what pushes her to the point of allowing someone to choke on Ripley?

And I guess Frank Hodge's allegations against Luther hold more with her than the dead body of his gangster employer being found in his trunk??

Maybe she'll just turn out to be dirty now that she had a single dressing down from a superior.

why is Gray such a BITCH....I've hated her since last season. and who is the guy she's working with?

that blender shit was awful...he's crazy as hell. But was Justin suggesting John protected Barnaby by calling him? If so, why would he do that?

in the prior scene?

>If
>so, why would he do that?

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>why is Gray such a BITCH....I've hated her since last season.


Which means she's good at her job



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..start to the season

picking up right where they left off from the end of season 2, dci luther & ds ripley close out one case with more cases mounting. such is the life of a detective in the uk.

ripley is allowin' himself to be played in the worst way possible for a detective, and john is always on top of his game. even when he's reckless, he's driven with purpose.

wtf @ barnaby

lol @ dani lane watchin' her husband murdered, only to run into the closet WITHOUT callin' the police.

i'm all in


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

she trying to call the po-po when she was hearing cat sounds but her husband gets murked, then gets his head put THROUGH THE CEILING & she ain't thought nathan bout a phone or the police



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Its time to call the coppers!!!!

But instead you gone hide in the closet like he don't know you're in the crib since you just screamed you ass off!!!

BITCH GET OUT THE ROOM!

..watching the husband lean in to get a better look at what he THINKS is another manikin (like an idiot) or the look of horror on his wife's face as she watched his head plunge through the ceiling.

this is gonna be fun.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

Hardest piledriver ever.

i'm out.
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...when dude popped out from under the bed. like, i knew it was coming, but it was SO well done. and then later when he was in the attic.

Ahh! this was the scariest horror movie of the year.

Barnaby: Did anyone else get a Gus Fring vibe from him. Not just the subtle resemblance, but the calm mannerisms and demeanour and utter madness within? I hope we get to see that guy again.


I fucking love this show. and I like the new girl.

Crazy.

This shit dark as hell.

That whole car accident date shit seems lame, but we'll see how that goes.

>That whole car accident date shit seems lame, but we'll see
>how that goes.

i agree. still, i have faith in these writers. hopefully they continue to be clever.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

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it was weak
but suspiciously so


something is up
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in his own house...damn...lol - stupid ass wife...lol

great opener
Ripley's his boy- he ain't flippin on john
Gray - go sit down somewhere,Ripley did her a solid and she's still trippin

Did you guys catch the next episode preview in the end credits?
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lol @ him staring at dude in the attic before getting pile drived through the ceiling though

I wouldn't be surprised if the blonde chick (who just so happened to run into his car) is somehow working for that ex-cop who's trying to nail Luther

she could also be connected to that psycho Toby guy from season 2 and his mom
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but I'm going to assume you are referring to him breaking up the investigation in that last scene. Gotta say, I'm sorry to see that stalker killer go so quickly. Dude was a perfect vilian and was creepy every second he was on the screen. I thought it was weird dude took the length to wear a wig, yet used his real name to sign in that old folks home. Guess I just have to hope the next set of criminals will be up to snuff.

No, I'm actually referring to when he stepped to Justin after he busted up the "Secret Squirrel" operation, gave dude the *smh* then exited

That shit was PERFECT

And the scene in the car when he realized Justin didn't sell him out was great as well

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That was perfect

I'm not sure how this would play out over a full 22 episode season and still maintain it's awesomeness. these first two episodes makes me think that it's gonna lead into an epic Alice/DCI Gray altercation.




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ripley you stay true!
the bromance is back on!


oh and awesome catch luther
numb nuts throwing himself out the window and still living
smh*
awesome middle finger to old numbnuts as well
heh
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>ripley you stay true!
>the bromance is back on!

fuck that. ripley crossed the line with a MAJOR violation of the code of conduct among partners. as much as gray & stark want to paint john as a corrupt cop, ripley knows better. ripley eventually steps up and sets the record straight, but not before playing right into their reindeer games. while i fully recognize that luther's more than capable of putting this infraction behind them, you better believe he has a LONG memory.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

it was all ruse
it must have been
to convince them he was angry
argh grr
at that crazy luther

ripleys true blue

(.. )
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..yes, he usually pulls through in the end, but the truth is:

he's the weak link

granted, he provides a bit of balance, but only when luther is truly overboard. as far as timing goes, ripley sucks.

luther's a challenge to anyone around him because he's private. his voluntary seclusion leaves insecure individuals lost. perception is a heavy tool. with john luther, you either trust him or get the fuck outta his way.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

Luther is quite imbalanced
and its Ripley's job to be the litmus test of sanity

sometimes the right or sane thing to do isnt always right
so he slips up
not a weak link but the closest Luther will have to someone understanding him
duck lips doesn't count having a psychotic understand you isnt healthy
a sane balanced person performing regular checks and balances on the other hand
consider it a dr's check up
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>Luther is quite imbalanced
>and its Ripley's job to be the litmus test of sanity

nah, their relationship is more along the lines of color commentary & straight man. they hold different principles in life. still, trust is essential. this is ripley's weakness.

i give rip credit for bringing balance to the professional approach of their job, not personalities. he's incredibly green for a detective (ie: his comments during the initial convo with barnaby & his wife). he still doesn't realize that in order to catch a clever criminal, you have to be able to think & act as they do.

>sometimes the right or sane thing to do isnt always right
>so he slips up
>not a weak link but the closest Luther will have to someone
>understanding him

i disagree completely. rip didn't slip, he JUMPED over the line. if you have cause to question your partner, you question them directly. instead, this fool wore a wire. lol. he broke the bond of trust and he's fortunate to still have a partner.

*luther is extremely solitary, and for good reason. often misunderstood, the shroud of mystery present an incredible challenge to anyone within arms reach. problem is, they think he's being coy, when he's simply choosing seclusion. he prefers to avoid explanation. his words are concise, but his actions are emphatic.

the only person on this series that truly gets luther is dsu shenk. he doesn't always agree or understand him, but he trusts him. more importantly, he knows to simply stay out of his way and let him do what he does best.

>duck lips doesn't count having a psychotic understand you isnt
>healthy
>a sane balanced person performing regular checks and balances
>on the other hand
>consider it a dr's check up

a balanced person recognizes that we're all a little crazy.

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*skatin' the rings of saturn*

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

trust is an ever evolving thing

Luther need to clue Ripley in a bit more as a partner frankly
or the rhythm goes one way and starts to stagger
like it did

Ripley definitely understands that Luther walks the crazy line
thats why hes his partner
but walking tha line Luther is very susceptible to slipping across
and 'trust me' doesnt cut it for an going partnership
'trust e' doesn't also teach Justin what he needs to know from John
for when John isnt going to be there anymore
and trust...his clock is ticking
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>trust is an ever evolving thing
>
>Luther need to clue Ripley in a bit more as a partner frankly
>or the rhythm goes one way and starts to stagger
>like it did

while trust evolves, this isn't standard fare. luther is the sr officer with more experience. ripley spends too much time questioning john's motives, instead of actually paying attention to the entire picture. everyone has quirky methods along the way. regardless, you NEVER sell out your partner. if you don't agree with something, you state that upfront, in an appropriate & professional manner.

>Ripley definitely understands that Luther walks the crazy
>line
>thats why hes his partner

no, they're partners because ripley's a relatively new addition to the scene, and dsu knows john's the best detective he has in the dept. rip's job is to assist, watch, learn, & execute.

>but walking tha line Luther is very susceptible to slipping
>across
>and 'trust me' doesnt cut it for an going partnership
>'trust e' doesn't also teach Justin what he needs to know from
>John
>for when John isnt going to be there anymore
>and trust...his clock is ticking

methinks you're misjudging john. while he's certainly leads a complicated life, he's not confused about his purpose. he started this series on the brink of losin' it, in the wake of a messy separation from his wife. he's not a bad corrupt cop, he's just willing to do what it takes to solve the case. you have to be a little crazy to catch a killer and luther's just the right kind of crazy you want on the job.


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*skatin' the rings of saturn*

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

>while trust evolves, this isn't standard fare. luther is the
>sr officer with more experience. ripley spends too much time
>questioning john's motives, instead of actually paying
>attention to the entire picture. everyone has quirky methods
>along the way. regardless, you NEVER sell out your partner. if
>you don't agree with something, you state that upfront, in an
>appropriate & professional manner.

ripley barely asks and mostly does as john asks
but when he does it's a key moments
which is when Luther goes awol
not good
and he didn't sell out his partner
=p

note though
hard to be upfront with someone that isnt upfront with you and goes awol regularly

>>Ripley definitely understands that Luther walks the crazy
>>line
>>thats why hes his partner
>
>no, they're partners because ripley's a relatively new
>addition to the scene, and dsu knows john's the best detective
>he has in the dept. rip's job is to assist, watch, learn, &
>execute.

rips trying to do his job
he isnt that new anymore and more questions are requisite for clarity
john has a tendency to just get murkier
great for tv watching
horrible for a partner

>>but walking tha line Luther is very susceptible to slipping
>>across
>>and 'trust me' doesnt cut it for an going partnership
>>'trust e' doesn't also teach Justin what he needs to know
>from
>>John
>>for when John isnt going to be there anymore
>>and trust...his clock is ticking
>
>methinks you're misjudging john. while he's certainly leads a
>complicated life, he's not confused about his purpose. he
>started this series on the brink of losin' it, in the wake of
>a messy separation from his wife. he's not a bad corrupt cop,
>he's just willing to do what it takes to solve the case. you
>have to be a little crazy to catch a killer and luther's just
>the right kind of crazy you want on the job.



you arent understanding what his clock is ticking for
no one said he was corrupt

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...

he's not doing this job forever
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I agree with Cyren, Ripley's emotions are his flaw. Ripley acted on his frustration with John and in the heat of that moment decided he would go agree to help Stark and Gray try to take Luther down.

But in doing the actual police work -- after John repeatedly gave him the cold shoulder and told him to do so -- he came to realize that Luther's (somewhat) clean and decided to tell the truth after he covered his own ass by asking for a deal...

John's right when he told Gray that Ripley's "good police" (not those words) and was also right to chastise her for using Ripley's emotions against him in order to try to get to John... Ripley almost fell for it but fell back, did the work, and did the right thing in the end...

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..that shit made me want to throw out my own toothbrush and replace it immediately lol

paul ellis served this series well, even if his tenure was brief. the look on his face as luther explained that he used the 3rd roommate to bait him was hilarious. the scuffle that ensued showed just how pathetic ellis truly was, as he was easily put down by john.

*there's something very refreshing about watching john track down leads & take down perps without the typical badge & bullet routine used in modern television.

to top things off, john waltzed right into the honeycomb hideout to confront gray, starks, and ripley.

don't fuck with john luther.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

i also realized i had all the lights off in the apt
i turned a few on and looked under the bed
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

Car accident girl romantic sub-plot is still lame.

..i agree that the introduction was weak, but this jawn is already proving to be a little crazy (lol)

FUN!!!

when she ambushed him with the "where have you been?" bullshit (with a quick retraction, guised as a joke), she let the crazy out. john was keen on that shit, but we all know he likes his women a little crazy.

still, the previews for the next ep show gray & stark using her (and any other means) to get to luther.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

a VAST improvement over Season 2.

I'm loving this season so much.

Idris better find more space on his mantle cause he is *SO* getting some wards for this season....

No spoilers, but all I'll say for now about episode 3 is that I can imagine more than a few complaints about "tying up all the loose ends" with the fourth and final episode...

Also... there's... nah...

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it was a great one to me but ...

all I can say is wow



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was a bit telegraphed with two instances in the episode, but it was sad nonetheless.


SPOILER, but when the guy stole John's phone, couldn't they just track John's phone to locate the dude? Nitpicking, but good episode all the same. And just to clarify, guns are totally illegal for citizens in England, correct?

>was a bit telegraphed with two instances in the episode, but
>it was sad nonetheless.
>
>
>SPOILER,

*SPOLIER*





That "I love him". Was awkward as shit, just can't see him saying that, especially as an intro. I believe it, just don't see him saying it

like huh?
why?
O!

>>was a bit telegraphed with two instances in the episode,
>but
>>it was sad nonetheless.
>>
>>
>>SPOILER,
>
>*SPOLIER*
>
>
>
>
>
>That "I love him". Was awkward as shit, just can't see him
>saying that, especially as an intro. I believe it, just don't
>see him saying it

That didn't just come from out of nowhere, it was earned, especially the way Luther reacted after he had aural evidence of Ripley going to bat for him against Stark and Gray

Not to mention the buildup to that moment, where they fought, then Luther gave Ripley the cold shoulder -- while encouraging him to continue the investigation -- and the fact that Ripley never really interfered with the way Luther worked. Ripley may have said a "Come on, John" or two, but he never stopped him or snitched.

Truth is, hard exterior be damned, Luther really did respect the guy.

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...

With Mary right there. As an intro. He most certainly loves him, verbalizing it though...

Fuck man

See what y'all did.








*sobs*
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

..#mylaugh

**SPOILER ALERT**














i'd like to point out the fact that i've been SPOT ON about this series.

anyone who didn't see the demise of ripley coming a mile away should rewatch this entire series from the beginning. this ep gave you 3 foreboding moments:

- john's comment during his introduction to mary "..this is my mate... i love 'em..."
- john's encouragement in rip pursuing higher ranking
- rip's convo with gray

while i certainly understand luther's vote of confidence in rip, i stand by my original sentiment: he wasn't a very good detective. he had all the tools, but couldn't put them together in the field. ultimately, that's what got him killed. luther & rip faced the same scenario with an armed assailant. the difference?

john knows he can't help anyone if he's dead.

rip refused to give a proper assessment of the situation and lost his life because he couldn't back down. his character spent most of his time rushing into the moment, never patient enough to see beyond the muddle. he couldn't separate logic from emotion.

that bein' said, the door is now open for the return of alice.

*HUGE grin*

while most people misjudged the relationship between john & alice to be something of a bizarre romantic notion, the truth is well beyond that. for alice, john is the knight she heralds & respects because of his conviction. for john, alice is the one person who truly understands his quest for solitude and privacy. she recognizes the fine line he walks, and even though she may not agree, she respects his position. their intimate dance is fragile, but necessary.

vigilantes like tom myerwood might've earned the cheers and support of thousands of fans on the streets of the UK, but he's never known the wrath of a true predator.

he will... very soon.






*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

watch the two scenes where both Luther and Ripley have the shotgun pointed at them, because I honestly can't recall much difference between them... the only thing I can vaguely remember is Luther telling Tom that they're "not on the same side." But didn't Ripley tell Tom the same thing?

But aside from demeanor, I think the scenes parallel each other more than we realize, aside from the fact that Luther has "more experience," but again, I didn't see any noticeable difference between his demeanor and Ripley's... in fact, it was almost as if Ripley was imitating Luther in that moment... again, my memory is foggy, so I need to watch the episode again, but I can't recall much difference between the two scenes...

And one of the episode recaps elsewhere also mentioned that Ripley's death mirrors Luther's estranged wife's killing back in season 1, including having Luther lay down next to the body... I thought that was interesting...

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..myerwood was angry

frustrated that luther & ripley thwarted his efforts to exact a live execution. this is a man no longer on a mission of vengeance. he's drunk on power/perception. this is why they kept showing the social media aspect of the response to his actions.

a true vigilante could easily act in silence, without the need for an audience.

he allowed luther to live because he mistook him for an ally. once he realized he was dealin' with a true adversary, he raised the stakes. he offered rip the same deal, and when he wouldn't back down... well

now he views john as a mere obstacle. killing ripley was a mistake, but targeting mary will ultimately be his undoing. he was already on borrowed time.

alice is a patient and cunning woman. however, she doesn't sit well with anyone attacking her herald.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

spiral out of control with no one to balance him out

yay alice? definitely zero balance there


only on more episode
luther is definitely on his way to cracking up
yet again
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

>spiral out of control with no one to balance him out
>
>yay alice? definitely zero balance there

ripley was never enough of a peer to balance luther. the only person capable of doing that is john himself. *his encouragement of rip to pursue higher ranking was both respect for his potential AND a warning:

don't aspire to be like me, be BETTER than me.

he recognized his own faults & limitations.

what's ironic is that it was alice that finally made john realize this. he holds all the cards to his own fate. we all do.

his fall into despair was triggered by tragedy, but fueled by frustration. john likes control. what frustrates him the most is not being able to protect the people closest to him. he wasn't distraught at the mere thought of losing his wife. its HOW he lost her.

for quite some time, he blamed her for walking away. even when he tried to rekindle their relationship, the frustration returned because he wasn't in the driver's seat. as long as he was in control, he believed he would ultimately succeed. what he never recognized was that his control issues (and his solitude) are what drove her away. when she was murdered, he blamed himself for not having the fortitude to humble himself and relinquish the control that he covets.

alice tried to warn him (several times).

everyone's a li'le bit crazy.

li'le monsters... the lot of us.





*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

>alice tried to warn him (several times).
>
>everyone's a li'le bit crazy.
>
>li'le monsters... the lot of us.


and hes about to begin that downward spiral again
starting with the return of alice


oh and
and peer or not ripley was helping john hold it together
his pure elation to realize how much ripley is in his corner
with that my mate bit?
john isnt ready to be without ripley
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

..but its the other way © marlo

>and hes about to begin that downward spiral again
>starting with the return of alice
>
>
>oh and
>and peer or not ripley was helping john hold it together
>his pure elation to realize how much ripley is in his corner
>with that my mate bit?
>john isnt ready to be without ripley

ripley was luther's partner. their interaction starts & ends with their work. they don't hang out, share a drink at the pub, or even talk about their personal lives. ripley isn't helping john "hold anything together." john is solitary by design. he deals with his personal life completely separate from anything and anyone else. the reaction you saw from luther once he heard rip's recorded statement wasn't elation, it was surprise. he assumed that rip was working with gray & north (with good reason), only to find out that rip changed his story.

luther might use his job as a crutch to avoid certain aspects of his personal life, but even his interactions on the job are based on his ability to move freely without question or hesitation. he reports his assignments to ONE person: his boss.

that's it.

as a matter of fact, john didn't want to invite ripley in to meet mary. he only did so after ripley pushed for inclusion, stating that john never invites him in or over for convo. if you want to be technical about all of this, john realized that his solitude often leaves people to question his motives. to curb that, he simply gave into to a simple request (which is why he was so awkward about it). yes, luther cares about rip. he always has. he admits that. still, that doesn't change the dynamic of their relationship.

ripley's death:

while john was understandably upset, i don't believe that this was him grieving the loss of a dear friend. this was him upset at the fact that yet another person involved with his life was murdered because he allowed them to get too close (even at that estranged perimeter he chooses to place the people in his life, business or personal). even further, i'd wager that john could deal with the murder of rip (because he knew the risk of the job) vs his ability to reconcile anything that happens to mary because of his actions (or failure to keep her at a distance).

with or without ripley, john has always done his job.


>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

guess luther collapsed to the ground and cried over
their non relationship partnership


smh*


frankly though you can take all of that and apply it to alice
yall seem to want more out of that particular loon
than there really is
much like she does

set the nutjob straight Luther
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

..esp if they felt partially responsible for their death

this has been luther's undoing from the beginning

he believes there's a dark cloud looming over his life, and its one of the reasons he keeps his distance from most people.

*for the record, i'm tickled by alice's psychosomatic nuances, but its merely for entertainment with me. i know better than to believe the romantic spin she puts on her life & her ambitions. john's flattered. yes, there's a strange chemistry, but that doesn't mean he encourages her. at the same time, he feels like he owes her.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

What's that I hear?
Luther?
What you...what...lllllloooovvvved him?
Mmhmmm
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

..because you argued the merits of a point that was never debated

your words:

>" hence we will also see "
>In response to Reply # 91
>
>spiral out of control with no one to balance him out
>
>yay alice? definitely zero balance there
>
>
>only on more episode
>luther is definitely on his way to cracking up
>yet again

yet, NONE of that happened.

lol

see, john's grown from the start of the series. even in his current turmoil, he realized that he can't keep punishing himself for the mistakes of others. he can only accept his own responsibility and move forward. luther IS the balance.

luther loved ripley. that they cared for each other was never contested. however, the nature of their relationship was far from the picture you painted. rip wasn't his balance. john eventually saw him as a chance to redeem himself, by helping someone else become a better detective. a better man... than he ever was.

his "pup." © alice

that doesn't change the fact that rip wasn't a great detective (yet). as a matter of fact, he played himself in the end.

"..'cause i'm a copper... you're just like me... we're on the same side..."

BANG!

guess not.

then again, john already knew that.

peace.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

No message

..but its the other way © marlo




LMAO


you tried to downplay their relationship and ripleys importance so damn hard
nope
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

..you know, the part where i quoted your words?

the part where you said luther was certainly headed for a breakdown, spiraling out of control, because his partner was NO LONGER THERE TO PROVIDE BALANCE????

really?

walk through ANY of my replies. i never claimed luther didn't care about rip. i said he cared, but that the nature of their partnership was nowhere NEAR what you described.

rip's character is very simple: he's there to show you how someone MIGHT perceive john's actions (from the outside). this is done because the show is presented from luther's perspective. he provides balance for the audience, NOT luther.

enjoy your crow.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

ducking and dodging like a mofo

> but that the nature of their partnership was nowhere NEAR what you described.


he said he loved him
he cried flat out to the damn floor
but
ok
keep ducking and dodging

and enjoy that duck peking
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

..i challenge you to point out an instance where i said luther didn't care about rip

i made it very clear that john cared for his partner. i also said you romanticized that notion x100. they were partners. not best friends. partners. its reasonable to understand he would care for his partner and mourn his death.

all that other shit you spewed about rip being the balance in john's life and his death being the catalyst to his final breakdown was bullshit.

you just refuse to admit it.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

dems fightin words
just read over what you wroteand admit
you attempted to down play their relationship
and i didn't


its dat simple
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

..lol

i didn't downplay anything. i didn't exaggerate it either. i gave the facts.

JUST THE FACTS, MA'AM!

you, however, assumed rip's death would be the catalyst of some evil, wicked, spiraling descent into darkness with no one to check luther.

BWAhahahaahahahahahahahhaaaaa

nice try, though


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

thats all right the real facts is luthers reaction to ripileys loss

deal with that false gawd
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

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"You can win with certainty with the spirit of "one cut". "Musashi Miyamoto

my man Justin.

Alice bout to come out this jount swinging.

I can't wait to see what happens next week.

..we all knew it


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/alice-tells-luther-the-real-reason-she-came-back-in-new-clip-from-season-3-of-luther

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k5BJEfzhqpA


tell her man
tell her
the show is called LUTHER
not ALICE nor LUTHER AND ALICE
definitely not ALICE AND LUTHER


meanwhile
yes mary is a bore
ugh
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

I can't wait for the last episode!
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"You can win with certainty with the spirit of "one cut". "Musashi Miyamoto

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...

*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y

*GLSC*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

Season one

Then attempt to give me chopped liver after
It does not work
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

*throws a tantrum*





nooot alliiiiiccccccceeeeee





uuugggghhhhhhh
ewwwwwwwwww
mommy
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

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Alice is such a delicious character

Yep, I said it, DELICIOUS

Neil Cross needs to get to work on her spinoff post-haste

Plot contrivances aside, I thought this was the best episode of the 4

More season 1 echoes ahead...

And... well... yeah, that's all I'll say for now

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>Plot contrivances aside, I thought this was the best episode
>of the 4

Yeah, there were about 2 or 3 that brought the episode down a notch, but good episode nonetheless.

SPOILER Warning

But I rewound the scene with the head Internal Affairs dude getting shotgun banged about 3 or so times. It was Taken-esque in terms of levels of fun gratuitous violence.

the US airing of the show in September

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Just *cringe* that she almost kissed him with those unfortunately shaped flat lips


Mary the damn martyr

I really don't get how that "Luther is the killer" leap happened with those keystone cops



~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

not only how they could have jumped to that conclusion but more importantly how Old Cop let that shit roll. i pretty much gave up at that point. then i double gave up when old boy didn't just clip Alice and Luther. Give this show good writing and you'd really have something because everything else is good to great

>not only how they could have jumped to that conclusion but
>more importantly how Old Cop let that shit roll. i pretty
>much gave up at that point. then i double gave up when old
>boy didn't just clip Alice and Luther. Give this show good
>writing and you'd really have something because everything
>else is good to great


I wasn't surprised the Internal Affairs people went that route because they were gun-ho about getting at Luther from the start. And it's possible Luther's boss doesn't have any authority with the Internal Affairs department since they in theory are supposed to be free from any meddling or influence from any and all police.

If anybody had a problem with that alleged "Luther is the killer" buy, then chances are they weren't "buying" anything from the start of the season... also known as when they started gathering evidence to build the case against John Luther.

To quibble about the actual charge at this point is... yeah...

The only counter one could really make, and have a valid point, is that the whole "We're gonna bring Luther down cuz people die around him!" idea was nothing but false jeopardy off-break...

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...

esp since Luther nipped that shit in the bud

esp since they clearly had a killer on the loose
and not a smart one at that


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

But does Luther throwing the coat away mean he's done being a copper? I can't imagine him dating Alice and still going back to wearing the badge. Interesting that Alice got Luther away from the force when that's the same objective the Internal Affairs people wanted as well.

**edit**

Also, Mary could get arrested for making a false statement since her flipping on Luther proved to be a lie, right? I don't know if British law works like it does here in the States.

>Also, Mary could get arrested for making a false statement
>since her flipping on Luther proved to be a lie, right? I
>don't know if British law works like it does here in the
>States.

she didn't flip on Luther, that DCU dude gave her that crap about how people Luther loves always end up dead and scared her into thinking he wanted to harm her. when they was going to the safe house the first thing she said was 'do yall really think John would hurt me?'



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It is just a coat right?

Lol

..this was always going to be his last case, no matter the outcome

he was always torn between doing what was right as a detective and what he knew in his heart was right for humanity. somewhere along the way, he realized that he couldn't have it both ways.

so he made a choice...

it wasn't about a case. it wasn't about a woman. it was john.

granted, he had some help along the way:

his wife
rip
alice

unlike most detectives who have a hard time leaving their work @ the office, john's career refused to give him a moment's peace. the situation with mary made him realize he would never have a an opportunity to start fresh with anything or anyone as long as he was dci luther.

so he made a choice... to LIVE.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

and now I see how you are able to draw some many conclusions on Luther's intentions; the book is very descriptive in how all the characters think at react internally to things, much much more so than the TV show. I'd love for the writer to continue writing Luther novels parallel to the TV show so I could get further insight to the other characters, in particular Ripley since he's given the sidekick role for the most part. But if Neill Cross doesn't, I can fully understand since dude is the sole writer for the show and I'm certain he wants to avoid getting burnt out.

..and walked away with the grand prize.

bwahahahahahahahaha!!

they telegraphed just about everything that mattered this season, and you know what?

i STILL loved it.

mostly because even the weakest moments of this script was shot well. the dialogue remained true to form, and everyone held their own.

watching north get his due was well worth the wait. i still feel like they let gray off easy (hesitation/reconsideration, be damned), but ehh.

and alice...

ohhhh, my my my © slick rick.

..she was everything you wanted her to be. everything you NEEDED her to be. and she does it with such style. almost effortless. cunning, seductive, witty, charming. all those things, but don't ever cross her.

'cause she'll kill you... and she'll enjoy it.

*special note to anyone clamoring for more (eps, movies, etc.):

FOH!

stop bein' greedy.

in a world filled with writers & shows that never know when to say "when," this needs to be the moment where we break the cycle. john luther has earned his retirement. enjoy the spin-off starring alice and be done with it.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

hope yall are happy now

i probably wont be watching for fear of a

*shutter*

love scene


fuuuuuck no
thats nasty

and apparently you lied about not wanting them together
mmmhmmmm


and there is supposed to be a movie after this
nope!
wont be watching
ew


http://youtu.be/d7tHN3fcpr4
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

>and apparently you lied about not wanting them together
>mmmhmmmm

..where did i say any of that?

i never said i did or didn't want them together. i have no investment in such matters. i never gave my opinion, i simply stated the facts that pertained to the series.

JUST THE FACTS, MA'AM!

as far as their relationship, it may appear to be charming or romantic, but its tragic at best. both characters enjoy a great challenge. both characters are eager to pursue life on their own terms, independent of rule or governing by the fragile flaws of another person. the very same things they admire about each other would eventually tear them apart.

their dance is simply a dance.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>as far as their relationship, it may appear to be charming or
>romantic, but its tragic at best. both characters enjoy a
>great challenge. both characters are eager to pursue life on
>their own terms, independent of rule or governing by the
>fragile flaws of another person. the very same things they
>admire about each other would eventually tear them apart.
>
>their dance is simply a dance.



and put luther on a downward spiral
that ending didn't signal a good thing to me
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

>and put luther on a downward spiral
>that ending didn't signal a good thing to me

what spiral are you speaking of?

it never happened.

what we saw was luther finally allowing the ONE person who truly gets him to give the help he's always deserved. even his BOSS recognized that extreme circumstances often call for extreme solutions.

*what i find interesting is that throughout this ENTIRE series, alice has been talking about his coat. that "lucky coat" represents the cloud he so proudly wore every ep. while it was comfortable and served him well when necessary, it was past its prime in his life. he was holding onto something for sentimental reasons that honestly held no true value in his life. its a habit, and old habits are hard to break.

the memories are his forever. for the 1st time in a LONG time, he decided to try something else.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

his partner shot and killed*
new love had to bid farewell to or he'd get her killed
quitting instead of retiring from his job
finally
walking off with the nutjob


yeah ok












*who he clearly had more of a connection with than you are willing to admit
lalalalalalalalalalalalala
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

>his partner shot and killed*

not his fault. rip was an idiot for refusing to stand down, while starring down the barrel of a gun.

>new love had to bid farewell to or he'd get her killed

this was inevitable. as long as he was dci luther, that relationship was doomed (even without rip's death).

>quitting instead of retiring from his job

i don't recall anything that would ever suggest that he wouldn't qualify for retirement?

anyone?

BUELLER?.. BUELLER?..

>finally
>walking off with the nutjob

..the whole world's crazy (some, more than others). the only people in danger are those that continue to ignore it.


>*who he clearly had more of a connection with than you are
>willing to admit
>lalalalalalalalalalalalala

i gave a perfect synopsis of the dynamic between john & alice (which YOU cosigned). i've never really pushed for anything more than what was presented. i don't take sides on characters written for entertainment. i simply watch & discuss. not only did i NOT dispute it, i enjoyed it.

admittedly, knowing your disdain for alice made the final scene on the bridge THAT much more delightful.

thank you for that.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>admittedly, knowing your disdain for alice made the final
>scene on the bridge THAT much more delightful.
>
>thank you for that.


its supposed to be entertaining
sheesh whats the point of watching if not

either way
downward spiral
(.. )
poor luther
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm84Pvek49Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7tHN3fcpr4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y5_Kuw1tXM
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

I'm sorry, but you know, there are programs you can watch where you can see two pretty people, who are both to your liking, kissing, making out, and/or fucking

They're called porn

Or, if you want to be safe, soap operas

Luther and Alice have a symbiotic relationship. And like it or not, Idris Elba and Ruth Wilson have chemistry that is superb enough to sell that symbiosis.

Their relationship goes beyond any physical, superficial "ZOMG she's ugly and he deserves someone who looks better" bullshit. I don't recall them kissing one time. What they have goes beyond that.

And I'm glad that Neil Cross brought this particular actress back and touched on that relationship one final time in order to bring it full circle and close out the series, even if one could successfully argue that Alice is nothing more than a deus ex machina brought in at the very last minute to save John. Doesn't matter, shit was appropriate and pretty much perfect.

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...

yall want it to be more though

yall can have it

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

I believe you're spot on about all of this.

Alice is my favorite ride or die chick, and the short hair is super good for her.

..ruth wilson is a superb thespian

the eyes and that smirk when she KNOWS she's gonna get her way eventually.

GOLDEN.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I would love to see an Alice get a spin off.

SLAY ME BITCH! SLAY ME! Got damn I love this show. It left me smiling. I love the writing, the acting. Damn I wish this was 6 eps but the 4 were great. Bra-fuckin-vo

if the movie does happen will it take place before this while John is still on the force, or will it be an "Adventures of John & Alice" type flick..... Either way Im on board.

..based on the book (Luther: the calling)

the basic premise is to show you his past and the case that eventually led to the destruction of his personal life & his career.

if that doesn't involve idris elba and ruth wilson, it isn't worth it.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

http://www.amazon.com/Luther-Calling-Neil-Cross/dp/B00CC6FS2K/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374677414&sr=1-1&keywords=Luther

If so how was it?

..gives a nice bit of insight & detail in regards to his thoughts, mannerism, and what lead him to his current position in life


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

And its very descriptive, much more than the show is. He even gets into the mindstate of the teriary characters so you get a full scope of what their motivations are. Neill Cross in an excellent writer.

It's pretty dark . The killers in the books are much more fleshed out than in the show.

that was a dope finale...i like how it ended on the bridge with Luther and Alice just like the scene in season 1. the line Alice said about the choice he made being clever kind of went over my head though. was it because he said "alice!" then "shoot alice!" and made it vague? that scene was crazy. i'm gonna miss this show. i hope the movie does happen.

>that was a dope finale...i like how it ended on the bridge
>with Luther and Alice just like the scene in season 1. the
>line Alice said about the choice he made being clever kind of
>went over my head though. was it because he said "alice!" then
>"shoot alice!" and made it vague? that scene was crazy. i'm
>gonna miss this show. i hope the movie does happen.

once he realized he couldn't reason with tom myerwood, luther knew that the only way they'd survive the roof is if they overpowered him. during all the shouting, alice gave him the nod. from there, all they needed was opportunity.

*and let's be honest: if for some reason tom actually killed alice, john could live with that. alice wasnt innocent, and knew the risk. mary had nothing to do with any of it.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

and her nod was throwing me off because it almost felt like she was giving him a pass to choose her too.

Why does it always take so long for the cavalry to arrive on this show?

How many times is Luther going to tell the cops where to be, get there first by a stretch, deal with the killer/criminal individually (or with his partner while they are still alive), the whole interaction ends AND THEN all the cops so up?

And even though he's been right about 100 times no one will take him seriously.

hoping Neil cross can get everything jumped off.But if not- Neil and idris still gave us a great character and very interesting journey.
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