I had intended to start this jount before Sunday's episode in order to give us a nice clean break for the final four, but I was incapacitated

And by "incapacitated" I mean I was at a friend's house getting drunk while being surrounded by a gang of Cowboys fans

Also, because everyone who calls themselves a fan of this show really needs to see this, I'm kicking this shit off with this incredibly clever and funny tribute to the show cooked up by the "unfunny" (© OKP) Jimmy Fallon... look for a couple three cameos by the cast and a special appearance by The Roots

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>Eh just chalk it up to some Roots ass kissing

Not that it was pretty clever and funny or any creative shit like that

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was not expecting it to be that well done and clever

Just posted at a bad part of the day
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but it's funny.

and fitting.

They'd still go plat

And we're also not having a discussion on why some shows got episode posts and some didn't.

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>And we're also not having a discussion on why some shows got
>episode posts and some didn't.
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when no one's thinking about said topic anymore. only thing that bothers me is my shoddy internet connection that makes loading a 500+ reply post an exercise in patience or futility.

sometimes there's insight in old posts that need further discussion,
we can police ourselves. just have both posts unlocked.

>I mean I get it, Jesse is Walt's weakness but given how smart
>Walt he is...and under the circumstances of being monitored by
>Hank (and possibly the rest of the DEA) wouldn't Walt know not
>to talk business, murder plots and confessions and what have
>you on the phone?

>>At this crisis point, Walt's not in the state of mind to be thinking about incriminating >>confessions.

Yes, that I can see this despite the fact that Walt has always been cool under pressure. He was off his ass and felt like his world was crumbling so I could understand a major slip up in driving out to the desert in a rage. But I didn't love the throw-in triple murder confessional...it felt a bit forced but whatever.

But I wasn't only referencing that specific boiling point in the episode. Walt's been doing a lot of talking on the phone since he knew Hank was on to him. Ie., he put the hit out on Jesse over the phone.

All of this was so out of character for Walt that the writers made a point of showing him ignoring warnings from Saul and Jack that Jesse was a rat. It's like the writers were pre-emptively answering the viewer's cries of 'How could shrewd Walt become so stupid?" They were definitely trying to get across the idea that Walt was blinded by his feelings for Jesse.


>In the desert when Walt was on the phone with Jack and told
>him to call his posse off...I interpreted that more as Walt
>saving their ass from jail and not necessarily saving the
>lives of Hank and Gomez.

>>This... no. What reason does he have to save Jack and the crew?

Professional courtesy? lol. Walt hasn't shown to be the type to fuck someone over just because he can. Jack has been a helpful ally to Walt. There would be no reason to send him into a DEA birds nest (Walt not knowing that it was only Hank and Gomez at the time). There is also the possibility that Jack and his crew could kill Walt's family if he decided to do them dirty. Not that Walt had the time to contemplate all of this...but just saying. Honestly, at that moment I thought Walt just felt an incredible level of embarrassment that he walked right into the trap and was outsmarted by Hank and Jesse.

>And I'm pretty sure that part of him still believes that he can get Jesse to "flip" back to "his >side" again, a thought that literally gets spit back in his face by Jesse.

I think once Walt put the hit out on Jesse he crossed a point of no return. Walt showed up in the desert with gun in hand and was ready to take Jesse's life. And this was all BEFORE he found out that Jesse served his head on a platter to Hank and then spat in his face. How could seeing such betrayal/disrespect have changed Walt's stance on Jesse?

>And I've seen this mentioned more than a few times...can
>someone explain to me why Walt or the Aryans have any interest
>in keeping Jesse alive? Walt ordered a hit Jesse. The Aryans
>showed up to do a hit on Jesse. Now they know Jesse is a rat,
>hellbent on destroying them in any way possible. They don't
>need Jesse to cook. What has changed to make either of the
>parties want to keep Jesse around? When the smoke clears you
>really don't think Walt is going to change the order for that
>"quick and painless" death to slow torture? The kid is
>straight fucked unless he manages to bail out of the desert.

>>Where are you getting the idea that the Nazis want to keep Jesse alive?

Not my idea. But it was mentioned a few times on the previous thread as a possible "final reunion cook" or whatever so that's what I brought it up cause it made no sense to me.


>>I also think you're also assuming that they know that Jesse's there with Hank and Gomez >>and Walt in the desert.

I was indeed assuming this. When Walt called Jack and gave him the coordinates...didn't he tell Jack that he had Jesse in the desert or made some sort of implication that he had his target? I deleted the episode so I can't go back and check. Jesse was really the only guy on Walt's radar at the time.


>And Walt wants to keep Jesse alive, not because he's being "weak and emotional," although >that's a part of it, but again, it's also because a small part of Walt still believes that Jesse can >be "flipped" again so he can do Walt's bidding.

See above. We may have to agree to disagree on this (or wait until Sunday when it probably gets resolved) but Walt wants Jesse dead. There's not much bidding to be done for Walt anyway...other than keeping quiet and moving to Africa.

>I'm now thinking of a scenario next week (which I'm sure will be called "easy and not really >original" by certain readers here) where Hank and Gomey bite it, and the Nazis grab Walt but >also discover Jesse, and right when they're about to kill him, Walt tells them to spare his life >so he can help Walt with this "last cook," saying that he will keep up his end of the deal that >he made with them but only if they don't kill Jesse...

This scenario makes sense (and seems probable to me) but your proposed ending doesn't. Jessie is dead weight to all. He's a loose end and an unstable addict. He has incriminating info on everyone and is a proven rat who almost sunk Walt and the Aryan operation. He is witness to the murdering of federal agents.

If for some weird reason Walt does a 180 on his current feelings for Jesse (Walt would've chewed through those shackles and ripped Jesse's face off if he could have) the Aryans will overrule Walt's pleas. The balance of power has shifted to the Aryan's. Jesse is of no use to them. Walt doesn't need Jesse to cook. And truthfully, after Walt's final cook...he's not of much use to the Aryan's either.

although i can't help but feel like if they knew they were DEA agents they would care. it's one thing duking it out with local police but the feds?

>although i can't help but feel like if they knew they were
>DEA agents they would care.

you can't exactly reach for something in your jacket at that point

... the Nazis knew they were going to kill those guys anyway. If yelling "we're DEA" didn't deter them, what good would badges have possibly done?

>If yelling "we're DEA" didn't deter them

cause you could easily say you're DEA when you're not DEA...hence why Jack asked them to prove it to know what they were up against.

I've seen people hold a gun with one hand so it wasn't physically impossible to show ID.

Again, probably a moot point but I thought they lingered a bit on that aspect, enough so that it could have meant something.

Then what? Handshakes, some awkward laughter and everyone goes their separate ways?

Hank knew right away what he was dealing with. Took Walt (and me) a little longer to get a read on the situation

It's not even that complex, yo.

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>I was indeed assuming this. When Walt called Jack and gave him
>the coordinates...didn't he tell Jack that he had Jesse in the
>desert or made some sort of implication that he had his
>target? I deleted the episode so I can't go back and check.
>Jesse was really the only guy on Walt's radar at the time.

Walt told Jack that Jesse was "after him" in the desert and also mentioned that "he might have backup"... but when he sees Jesse with Hank and Gomey, he nearly breaks down then tells Jack to "forget it... do not come," but never tells Jack why he shouldn't come or describe what he sees when Jack asks him...

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> There is also the possibility that
>Jack and his crew could kill Walt's family if he decided to do
>them dirty.

shit is a headache with no wi-fi on great smart phones

people recycle or ignore ideas and usually two or three fucktards waste one-fifth of the thread trading unnecessary jabs at each other

i really wished yall had done every two episode, so there would've been a clean 4, but i'm pleased there is at least a part two

........... Tread Lightly (c) Walt!!

That was an opening. All the beats played perfectly.

.

Just to see how this weirdo spends his day

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Killing that guy for Tyra really fucked with his head. After fighting off a guilt-induced psychotic break for a couple weeks, he killed his family, dressed them up like dolls at a tea party, and headed west for ABQ under an assumed name.

Marie helped deliver drama into the episode tonight but involving Walt Jr. into the situation.

On her way out of the car wash

last week, why hate him now?

Hank dies, his wife cuts him, his son calls the cops on him, his baby is giving him the cold shoulder... All the lines he thought he'd never cross, all the reasons he thinks he's been doing this shit, it all blew up in his face. I think for the first time in a long time, we're about to see him cut the bullshit and ego, and actually do something for the sole purpose of making sure his family's straight

Walt's empire is gone, along with most of his other delusions as well.

The only "wins" he's potentially got left are avenging Hank, getting the money to his family, and/or ridding the world of his own miserable existence. Depending on how things go he might even wind up freeing Jesse in the process.

I can clap to any of those outcomes, really.

>Depending on how things go he
>might even wind up freeing Jesse in the process.

to the ridiculous hope that Walt will choose to spare Jesse.

After he's ordered him to death. Twice.

>The only "wins" he's potentially got left are avenging Hank,
>getting the money to his family, and/or ridding the world of
>his own miserable existence. Depending on how things go he
>might even wind up freeing Jesse in the process.
>
>I can clap to any of those outcomes, really.

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cuz i've never seen anything better.

Red Wedding.

no.

as a whole episode this had you on edge the entire time. you can't say the same for that GoT ep.

>Red Wedding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitecaps_(The_Sopranos)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edie_Falco

Still the single greatest performance I've ever seen on television.

And the episode still holds up.

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now that Hank is out the picture? Minor point, but still.

tell him to bounce or get him to leave the room in one way or another.

Do they just leave it out a there a few feet next to the buried bodies?

Maybe they go back for it later. I just don't remember seeing in the shot again after the burial.

Never was disclosed, but definitely. Not left behind.

The Nazis towed it away, I thought.

Thing was chained and towed.

I bet he comes back.

Walt literally dug Hank's grave.

All I could do after was sit and cry, something no other hour of TV has ever made me do

FUCK SKYLER, FUCK JESSE and MARIE, YOURE A BITCH

and stop pretending you know me

if it was Todd alone that beat the shit out of Jesse. Hmmm.

Dude is a freakshow

to think of keeping Jesse alive amid all the chaos of last night's episode though. Quick immoral critical thinking just like when he killed the dirt bike kid after the methlamine heist.

.

with that king of the world shit eating smile on her face like she won something.

whatever her real name is should start blogging about why people dislike her tv character, lol. cause yeah, i really hate her character.

but gotdamn that episode was CHAOS

I dont know how much of Walt's phone call was him straight up losing his shit or being manipulative. I liked shrewd, manipulating Walt. This guy now though, I dunno...kidnapping Holly seemed to be a straight up dumb ego booster.

also, not sure how skylar is going to explain to the cops who walt is without incriminating herself in the process.

...was for show to clear Skyler

>...was for show to clear Skyler

but yeah, i guess that was the intention. as well as kinda sorta taking the blame for hanks disappearance. makes sense. but there did exist some simpler and more direct ways to cop to the whole thing if that's what walt wanted.

and no hard evidence exists to incriminate him so why even take that step...

Now him grabbing Holly in the first place was pure desperation, but when he has that change of heart I think he finally gave up on his delusions of having a 'family' – He knows he can only cause them pain at this point, so he just goes full Heisenberg on Skyler to both hurt and exonerate her. There's no coming back from any of that shit.

I don't think he'll make another attempt to make amends or even contact his family again. But I do think his final mission will have something to do with seeing to it that they get his meth money before he pops a ricin.

>I dont know how much of Walt's phone call was him straight up
>losing his shit or being manipulative. I liked shrewd,
>manipulating Walt.

and he played it accordingly. putting the blame on himself. threatening her as if she had no other choice. the "you don't know anything anyways" line kinda drove home the point.

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is that walt wasn't in a position where he had to clear himself or skylar

the case died with hank

unless I'm missing something major here which is certainly possible

>is that walt wasn't in a position where he had to clear
>himself or skylar
>
>the case died with hank
>
>unless I'm missing something major here which is certainly
>possible

Walt Jr. called the police on him and it was clear to him that Skyler was going to turn against him as well since she was willing to slash him with the knife in anger for ***DEA agent*** and brother-in-law Hank's death. Plus he knew Marie told Skyler about Hank cornering him in the desert, so I'm guessing he knew Marie would be involved as well.

He was full aware of what was going on.

>Walt Jr. called the police on him

for a domestic dispute...meanwhile Walt is the one with the knife wound.

>Skyler was going to turn against him as well since

She'd have to incriminate herself to do that (which granted she might've been willing to do at that point)

But beyond that, how is Skylar turning on Walt any different than Jesse turning on Walt? They said there wasn't enough evidence to corroborate Jesse's testimony (hence the GPS plot scheme which got those fools killed). Seems like testimony from Skylar would pose the same roadblocks. And even more so because she didn't have half as much dirt on Walt as Jesse did.


>willing to slash him with the knife in anger for ***DEA
>agent*** and brother-in-law Hank's death. Plus he knew Marie
>told Skyler about Hank cornering him in the desert, so I'm
>guessing he knew Marie would be involved as well.

Walt didn't kill Hank.

I don't know that Marie's account of a phone call would be considered hard evidence of anything.

And then there's the whole issue of the CD Walt made (have all of them actually been destroyed?), Walt's payments of Hank's medical bills, etc. There's a reason why Hank kept this from the rest of the DEA.

Skyler was in the dark about the majority of Walt's actions, but she was fully aware of the money laundering involved to operate the car cash, which she should go down hard for since it was her idea to get involved with that side of the operation. I think him taking to heat for the downfall was his way of provding for his family since it was clear to him he couldn't have any involvment with them at all, at least on the initial terms he wanted.

>I don't know that Marie's account of a phone call would be
>considered hard evidence of anything.

probably just killed someone."

on the phone while walt steals holly.

>probably just killed someone."

especially since walt definitely did not just kill someone.

the kid doesn't know shit other than what he's witnessed in the house

convicting him would be one thing, but there's more than enough to arrest him based on Marie's statement alone.

>convicting him would be one thing

isn't a conviction the only thing?

>but there's more than
>enough to arrest him based on Marie's statement alone.

arrest Walt for a murder he didn't commit?

they can bring Walt in on suspicion but eventually they'll have to let him go.

remember Hank was working outside the DEA on this one and had shit to hide.

Hank's call to Marie before getting killed. i thought he was going to hold her for ransom in order to get Skyler and Jr to do his bidding or run away with him or get back at her.

>kidnapping
>Holly seemed to be a straight up dumb ego booster.

I'm gonna be thinking about that one for a long time. Well, at least until next week, I'm sure.

I feel like the way the opening played out re: Hank's death was much more powerful than if he'd gotten filled with bullets at the end of last week's episode. Every time we doubt these writers...

>I feel like the way the opening played out re: Hank's death
>was much more powerful than if he'd gotten filled with bullets
>at the end of last week's episode. Every time we doubt these
>writers...
>

Not only that, but I doubted the episode would get better from such a climatic action. Remarkable how wrong I was.

b/c the opening credits appeared halfway through after all that went down. maybe they squeezed in the flashback when they were doing the time math and saw that it would end in medias res. if they deliberately perfectly timed it that way for affectation that would be remarkable though.

>I feel like the way the opening played out re: Hank's death
>was much more powerful than if he'd gotten filled with bullets
>at the end of last week's episode. Every time we doubt these
>writers...

It was Rian Johnson's idea and the show had to go to the DGA to get a waiver to do it

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>I feel like the way the opening played out re: Hank's death
>was much more powerful than if he'd gotten filled with bullets
>at the end of last week's episode. Every time we doubt these
>writers...
>

... those dissolves were nothing short of shocking.

I still can't believe what we all just experienced

I eagerly await Vince and company's discussion on the podcast

Only minor thing was I was bothered how Rian Johnson directed the fight between Walt and Skyler

Just seemed a bit extra

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money's getting scarce..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14PejsN99ng

jesus christ.

yeah there's a screenshot of it somewhere, pretty sure it is

Because it was like, 'how the hell am I laughing at this shit after what just transpired?'

She reminded me of that baby from Dinosaurs talkin about "NOT THE MOMMA!!!"

smh @ Walt thinking he'd found the one person left on earth that didn't hate his guts.

"Can you say da-da?"

"Naw, bruh"

A lot to process but mostly feeling sadness right now. Obviously there's Hank & Gomey, but there's also Walt severing ties with everyone he knows and loves. He deserved what he got for getting WAY over his head, but you still feel sorry for him...I did anyway. And then there's him & Jesse. Safe to say their relationship is beyond reparable...

I'm predicting Lydia to save Jesse, and Todd to do something insane and dumb　when he finds out.

notice Gus had more of an independent characterization. no family, no significant other, and all business. it makes him look more cold like a super villain able to destroy cities w/one strike. Walt hasn't quite got that down yet.

>He deserved what he got
>for getting WAY over his head, but you still feel sorry for
>him.

and becomes a straight up idiot the last half season. And got progressively dumber to the point where he ends up giving 70 million dollars to his weakest foes, those dirty idiot Nazi's.

But I guess it's like little Kenard shooting Omar at the corner store.

The pattern was:

Walt gets placed in a near impossible position where anyone else would die/get caught.
He works a plan, a logical longshot, that has a 10% chance of actually working.
Through blind luck and hard work he pulls it off.

This half of the season has been different because he's never really been put in that impossible position; he's literally at the top of the world and that's the first for the show. The thing that put him in the most danger, Hank finding out, was already handled by all that tainted money and threatening to make him a scapegoat (which really wasn't that hard a plan to think of).

Jessie was a problem solved easily by a 'trip to belize' and it was his fault for choosing a half measure and he was forced to call a hit anyway.

So really it's been his hubris that's been his downfall in Season 5, and they gave plenty of clues to that along the way...he thinks he can talk his way out of anything and why not? It's worked 100% of the time so far. Him bargaining with the nazi's was dumb, but from his perspective why not? Desperate lying Walt has always worked in the past.

Hell, outside of him babbling about the 80 grand in a pathetic attempt to save Hank's* life you could argue he even won the previous episode episode (cornered and caught literally red handed, he's able to make a phone call that could erase all the evidence in one big knot except he isn't willing to kill Hank)

He never should've gotten involved with crazy Nazis which means he never should've put out the hits on those folks in jail which means he never should've killed Gus which means he never should've tried looking for better distribution, etc.

It's a classic model for sewing the seeds of your own demise.

He's been able to negotiate/buy his way out of just about everything to this point, why not this?

Hank saw it, though. There was NOTHING he could do.

for Walt to Break Good and reverse all the evil he's sown. Plus like the dude from SNL said last night on Talking Bad, a lot of Walt's decisions in recent episodes are based on emotional reactions rather than him thinking things through, which I think is partly why he's catching L's as of late.

>And got
>progressively dumber to the point where he ends up giving 70
>million dollars to his weakest foes, those dirty idiot Nazi's.

Walt also could have offered up the money without telling them where it was buried but anyway...

>Walt also could have offered up the money without telling them
>where it was buried but anyway...
>
They just logically figured it out; remember the scene where the head Nazi was like, "You know, we get calls to meet us at the corner off, near the highway exit of. But this is the first time we ever got something like this" *holds up palm with coordinates written on them*

After the bullets settled he kept on asking why they were out there in the middle of nowhere, once Walt said he had 80 mil to give them he gave em a clue. Nazi dude isn't a dummy, looks like nobody in that crew is which is going to be interesting since the show feels like we aren't done with them yet.

could be wrong about that

He told them for sure.

the whole thing was a bit silly cause obviously Jack wasn't letting Hank go

"Thanks. Uncle Jack was a genius for recognizing they were standing on it the whole thing was a bit silly cause obviously Jack wasn't
letting Hank go"

and this makes sense

> once Walt said he had 80 mil to give them he gave em a clue

When he was trying to negotiate, I was expecting Walt to threaten not to cook with them. That would have directly affected their golden nest egg without giving up the cash. And the coordinates could have still be explained by the remote location.

Considering the extremity of the situation though, I can understand why he would jump straight to 80 mill.

Throughout the series he's had a habit of drawing a hard line in the sand, only to dive right over it soon after. Ultimately this had the same outcome but it wasn't as direct. He was actually ready to give it all up to save his family.

But I'm sure his next thought would've been 'now how can I scheme this money back'

Just like the nazis were obviously prepared to just kidnap a muthafucka and make him cook.

No way this was going to end well. It's some shady dudes on this program, yo.

I mean both he and Walt entered this shit together... Walt got out and tied up his loose ends but Jesse was the wild card. Had he just taken his money and went on with his life Hank would still be alive and none of this shit would have happened. Yeah it's cold but you gonna be about that life then be about that life.
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If anything's changed for me during this series it's that I really don't give a shit about Jesse anymore. Yeah maybe I'm a cold muther fucker but I was actually rooting for dude to pull that trigger... I'm just sick of dude's whining and crying.
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Circumstances would be different obviously, but Hank still would've found Walt to be Heisenberg, and Lydia/the Nazis still would've needed either Walt or Jesse to come cook for them, one way or another.

Maybe if Walt hadn't kept that Walt Whitman book, I would believe that Walt effectively tied up his loose ends... but too much of Walt's past is still floating around out there to believe that nothing Walt did would've ever come back to bite him.

Really, the "what if?" game could be played with any of these characters. "If someone did this, then this wouldn't have happened" etc. But when Walt got involved with Lydia/Nazis in the first place and left that Whitman book out for Hank to see, it's impossible to say "if Jesse had just stayed quiet, none of this would've come to pass."

>Maybe if Walt hadn't kept that Walt Whitman book, I would
>believe that Walt effectively tied up his loose ends...

That's totally on Walt. But still Hank had nothing without Jesse. Yeah the family dynamic wouldn't have been the same but it's hard to see another scenario that would have lead to Hank's death and a struggle over a knife in front of his kids. Of course Walt has done all kinds of fucked up shit and in real life I really wouldn't give two shits about that dude... but as it relates to a show about a teacher and his ex student cooking meth, Jesse has to wear this one.

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... he gave Jesse the money. The money Jesse launched everywhere.

Jesse seemed fine cooling out with Brock and what's-her-name without the millions of blood money and Walt in his life. Walt making an appearance after all that time apart on his front door with bags of money set Jesse off on his guilt trip. If Walt simply leaves Jesse alone, none of this happens.

Or if Saul had simply let Jesse get high before the vacuum salesman picked him up. Jesse may have simply vanished. Saul fucked that up.

Or if Hank had not tailed Jesse to Walt's house that day. Hank talked Jesse into going with him during Jesse's meth bender. Jesse didn't roll up to Hank's house as a volunteer.

Or if Walt had not poisoned Brock, and found some other plan... because he must have known that if Jesse found out that Walt fucked with a kid, Jesse's numero uno pet peeve, that anything, and I mean ANYTHING, could happen.

Or if Walt had simply not called those Nazis to meet him in the desert. Hank would still be alive then. Why couldn't Walt be man enough to try to finish Jesse off himself?

Or if or if or if, etc.

It simply can't be laid at Jesse's feet.

trying to rationalize everything Walt has done. you can root for him if you want but don't make excuses for him...all this shit is his fault and there's really no way around it. he is the cancer in all of these people's lives.

With that said I still cant to see what he does with that assault rifle...i'm convinced the ricin is for him though.

>trying to rationalize everything Walt has done. you can root
>for him if you want but don't make excuses for him...

I would file the blaming of Walt for Jesse throwing his share of the money into the street as a textbook rationalization.

he was going to leave town to clean that up and it would have been a dead end but what brought him back? realizing that Walt poisoned Brock...it all points back to Walt.

See this is Jesse's problem... dude goes off half cocked without thinking about the consequences.
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and Walt could have stopped fucking with him ages ago but he kept pulling him back in at every turn

Jesse walked away then shortly after Walt shows up and gives him his cut.. at that point the ball was fully in Jesse's court.
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Cats were talking about what an ass Walt was for not giving him his share now it's his fault he gave Jesse HIS money and sent him over the edge *smh*.

>It simply can't be laid at Jesse's feet.

Actually it can... because everything you laid out up there (save the Brock thing) has Jesse has the catalyst. Truth is had Walt been as fully evil as even the show runners are trying to sell us he is Jesse would have been put down and Walt would still have 80 mil, a living albeit estranged brother in law and at the very least a sliver of his life in tact. Walt has had many problems but his biggest has always been Jesse Pinkman. This season has made that as clear as ever.
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Wasn't he cool and leaving Walt alone post-tied-up-loose-ends until Walt strolled back into the picture of his own accord?

>Cats were talking about what an ass Walt was for not giving
>him his share now it's his fault he gave Jesse HIS money and
>sent him over the edge *smh*.


>Actually it can... because everything you laid out up there
>(save the Brock thing) has Jesse has the catalyst.

That's a big fucking thing!!! Hahaha.

>Wasn't he cool and leaving Walt alone post-tied-up-loose-ends
>until Walt strolled back into the picture of his own accord?

At this point Walt was just trying to do right by Jesse. But with the state that kid was in it's a pretty big stretch to say it was Walt giving him his money that set him off. The truth is he was ready to crack and it could have been any number of things that set him off.

>>Actually it can... because everything you laid out up there
>>(save the Brock thing) has Jesse has the catalyst.
>
>That's a big fucking thing!!! Hahaha.

Not in the context of this show it ain't.
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>>Wasn't he cool and leaving Walt alone
>post-tied-up-loose-ends
>>until Walt strolled back into the picture of his own accord?
>
>At this point Walt was just trying to do right by Jesse.

He was flagrantly trying to manipulate Jesse and it backfired.

>>>Actually it can... because everything you laid out up there
>>>(save the Brock thing) has Jesse has the catalyst.
>>
>>That's a big fucking thing!!! Hahaha.
>
>Not in the context of this show it ain't.

If you don't see how Walt hurting a child after knowing Jesse's explosive history with hurting children has a massive impact on how Jesse responded, I'm not sure what to tell you.

calling jesse the catalyst is acting like these characters are just along for the ride. hank made up his mind the second he closed the garage door that he was gonna try to take walt down no matter who got hurt, and that was gomey and himself. skyler made up her mind a long time ago that they should do whatever to protect the lie, and she got hank killed instead of jesse. listing the things walt has done to get to this point would go on forever, but the point is shit was going to go down and all of them were bound to be involved. this is the story about a guy building his empire and then watching it crumble. there are about a thousand ways that could've happened, and they've had so many close calls it's absurd. their good luck just ran out.

>Cats were talking about what an ass Walt was for not giving
>him his share now it's his fault he gave Jesse HIS money and
>sent him over the edge *smh*.

i wouldn't say that, but you saw what he did when he got there. he was working him, just like he always does. saul called walt, but walt could have easily said "get one of your guys to do it. i've moved on and that's what i pay you for." jesse goes on thinking walt probably killed mike, but would he act on that? can't say for certain, but i don't think so. it's not until he figures out the brock thing that he's hellbent on vengeance.

'but the point is shit was going to go down and all of them were bound to be involved'

And of course it's his show so it's dumb to expect it to be anything else. But again that's why I think this is the greatest show in TV history.. there are other angles and plays that I'm not sure even the writers expected to impact the viewers the way it has.
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>The money Jesse launched
>everywhere.

Oh come on, it's Walt's fault that Jesse's crazy/high ass threw that $$ into the middle of the street?

>>The money Jesse launched
>>everywhere.
>
>Oh come on, it's Walt's fault that Jesse's crazy/high ass
>threw that $$ into the middle of the street?
>

He was using that as a comparison to the terrible interpretation of events causing people to be blaming jesse for Hank's death and Walt's family meltdown

>He was using that as a comparison to the terrible
>interpretation of events causing people to be blaming jesse
>for Hank's death and Walt's family meltdown

The scene with Jesse turning down the van just happened to be a defining moment in the show. He had his out, he chose not to take it and the ramifications have been huge.

The problem with these discussions is that everything is so black and white. Two people are allowed to be wrong. Saying that Jesse is a shithead doesn't make Walt any less of a shithead. This show is comprised of like 98% shitheads.

and let him get out of the game right then maybe he would have been out of the loop and not realized about Mike's guys thereby not knowing about Mike...the point is who knows? you can point back and further back to other things that caused the chain reaction....it all ends up pointing back to Walt though

and walt is a dick if he doesn't give him the money

If Walt was so hellbent on destroying Jesse then why not kill him way back when? That was the easiest option.

about how Gale "didn't look like he was Heisenberg- just a rote copier."

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It's a chain of events, not isolated branches. Every action impacts the later actions.

after he found out the truth

yall can spin this any way you want (I mean it's all fiction any way) but that moment between hank and Walt means nothings without the book. That was the second biggest mistake Walt has made in this series.. the first being not killing Jesse sooner.
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and by extension, Mike

who's guys Walt hired the same Nazi crew to take out

and a a bunch of shit in-between

If Jesse hadn't decided to kill Gus' other dealers for killing the 11-year-old, and let Gus handle it, Walt doesn't have to run them over with his car, and everything doesn't go sour with Gus, which eventually puts them all on this road.

The point is that Jesse fucked up a whole lot to get to them to this point. And now he's serving his penace. He's trapped in his version of Hell, forced to cook Blue Meth for Todd and the nazis, under threat of death of the only people left that he cares about. And it appears he'll be stuck doing that until at least Walt shows up with his machine gun, if I were to hazard a guess. It's also why I think he'll make it out of this show alive, 'cause he's really "paid" for his actions.

I mean it's a TV show so there really is no right and wrong with how you want this all to go down
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It's clear watching interviews with Vince Gilligan he's doing a morality play here... Jesse has been set up as a victim just like Sky. They are doing their penitence so they have a good chance at making it out alive.
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All this talk about how the series will end "the right way" could have taken something away from it for me. But the greatness of this show is the characters are so deep and rich that even the creator and writers of the show haven't been able to full manipulate how we all see this. When I watch a series or movie I take a perceptive based on the type of story being told and the actions of the characters.. here we started from a position of a mild mannered teacher and his ex student going into the meth business. I mean if we were going to get high handed and place real world morals on these fictitious people then I'd have had no use for any of them from jump.
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It could be nothing, but during the "Let's cook" scene with Jesse, they show Todd in the full hazmat suit/gas mask get up, and Jesse without one. If indeed they do say Jesse has to cook without the proper safety precautions, six to nine months of inhaling meth fumes will seriously fuck up his body.

Again, maybe it's nothing/not the case, but it would be a "poetic" ending for the character, in that Walt's presence really did end up being a cancer.

>If indeed they do say Jesse has to cook
>without the proper safety precautions, six to nine months of
>inhaling meth fumes will seriously fuck up his body.

...the Meth to be blue. Jesse's gonna be there for the long haul.

>If Jesse hadn't decided to kill Gus' other dealers for
>killing the 11-year-old, and let Gus handle it, Walt doesn't
>have to run them over with his car, and everything doesn't
>go sour with Gus, which eventually puts them all on this
>road.

If Walt had simply agreed with Gus and not advocated for Jesse to get into the business in the first place.

Jesse fucked up, but Walt went out of his way to keep that fuck up around, to the point where he irrevocably fucked up that fuck up's life. If that makes sense.

Walt has tried to help Jesse as much if not more so than manipulating him. At least it's clear that's how Walt squares it in his own mind. So yeah I agree he should have listened to Gus but a big part of the reason he didn't was because he cared about what would happen to the kid. It's really not all that different from some parents.. some do a lot of shit under the pretense of knowing whats best.
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"If he did this then that would happen, therefore blah, blah,
blah..."

This is clearly about human emotionality and relationships
ultimately superseding any prior scheme that had been initially
conjured up through Walt's logical processes. What Walt is
paying for right now, is his stubborn belief that some logical
combinations of words, treating relationships like a math
equation, would be enough to get him everything he wants. In
reality, every single one of these manipulations have finally
caught up to him. Ultimately, with Hank's death, we see Walt
as someone who has emotional limits as well. Watching Hank's
life in the balance in the desert, killed any sense of logical
brilliance Walt has ever displayed because family is his
emotional trigger.

So, this isn't about Jesse being a whiney rat. It's really
about the threshold of peoples' emotional values given a certain
set of circumstances. I hate when this show is reduced to "a
chemistry teacher who gets cancer and cooks meth." Just like those
Nazi's rolling Hank into Walt's money pit, Walt has symbolically
been digging graves for everyone around him.

There is actually a lot more humanity and insight into relationships
than most other show about crime and drugs. This is why The Wire was so great too.

But you have to start from its basic premise to have perspective on everything that happens after. All these things are coming back on Walt because that's how they've chosen to write it. Still doesn't change the fact there are other perfectly logical scenarios in which Walt 'wins'.. and most of those involve removing Jesse earlier. That's not where Vince and them wanted to go and it's their show so cool... but let's not act like Walt had to lose everything like this because that's what happens to people who do bad things. There are plenty that do, get away with it and live happily ever after.
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...nor are they simply for entertainment/story telling purposes.
Gilligan and company are writing a cautionary tale about human
relationships and the consequences of our decisions. Yeah, some
people get away with all sorts of shit, but the underlying point
of how this story is written is not about that aspect of what
Walt and Jesse have done.

Quick thoughts:

Walt Jr. pulled a daddy move on the phone with the cops. Didn’t realize it till later, my original impression was that he was flustered and only willing to say half-truths, but he knew what he was doing when he lied about “my dad pulled a knife on my mom”. He learned from the best – get on record first. Though I still think he didn’t want to say the words “he killed my uncle Hank”

Great television in setting up Holly, the knife, and the differences in who these people are – all from that opening scene before the title. A scene ostensibly about nothing conveyed so much for the rest of the episode.

Walt’s pants! Ozymandias “two trunkless legs…” HA!

I really thought that old man was going to make a “I don’t want your money, white man, stand”. HA! Again.

“I watched Jane die” –– that right there removes any blame or anger I might have for Jesse. He’s been manipulated, used, and mistreated by Walter from the beginning. You can blame Jesse for this no more than you can blame Holly. He’s a casualty of Walt’s myopic destruction of anyone and anything in the name of providing for his family.

>Great television in setting up Holly, the knife, and the
>differences in who these people are – all from that opening
>scene before the title. A scene ostensibly about nothing
>conveyed so much for the rest of the episode.

damn...you're totally right. i need to rewatch this ep

>You can blame Jesse
>for this no more than you can blame Holly. He’s a casualty of
>Walt’s myopic destruction of anyone and anything in the name
>of providing for his family.
>

Jesse is an active participant so he does get some blame. He's not innocent at all, and cant be compared to a baby who just happened to be born...but i agree that Walt is the catalyst to all this shit.

... That was a major source of speculation in between seasons—"Will Jesse find out that Walt watched Jane die?"—and for Walt to just casually drop that bomb, just to break Jesse's spirit even more... I found that one of the more chilling moments in an episode full of them.

Since Jesse would have been strung out and or dead long ago
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>Great television in setting up Holly, the knife, and the
>differences in who these people are

The way they showed the different possible tragic outcomes was like a TV version of Dragon's Lair.. stick down Sky gets it, stick up Flynn gets one to the belly
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thinking "How will this end?"

I can't get on the "it's all Jesse's fault" train either. He's pulled too many amateur jerk-off moves to be blameless, but this kid has wanted out of the game on so many occasions, and Walt was never having it. He was even willing to say fuck the money, and was content with getting high and playing video games. I don't really get how people can see everything that's happened to this kid, and not only *not* feel any kind of empathy for him, but then say EVERYTHING is his fault. shit's kinda dumbfounding.

>“I watched Jane die” –– that right there removes any blame or
>anger I might have for Jesse. He’s been manipulated, used, and
>mistreated by Walter from the beginning. You can blame Jesse
>for this no more than you can blame Holly. He’s a casualty of
>Walt’s myopic destruction of anyone and anything in the name
>of providing for his family.
>

'He was even willing to say fuck the money, and was content with getting high and playing video games'


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>I don't really get how people can see everything that's
>happened to this kid, and not only *not* feel any kind of
>empathy for him, but then say EVERYTHING is his fault. shit's
>kinda dumbfounding.

the team jesse crowd is arguing that EVERYTHING is walt's fault. that's equally as dumbfounding.

most of the characters in this show have played a very active role in their own demise.

and I think that's fuckin with some folks
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>and I think that's fuckin with some folks


I think The Wire is up there as well in terms of nuanced characters as well, which is why I don't get too deep with the "Duck Season/Wabbit Season" character talk that I see in this thread. Outside of Freamon, I didn't get too personally invested with how characters ended up on that show; I was invested in how the story played out. That's been my mindset with Breaking Bad from the get go.

but i'd still say in the end Walt's ego >>>> Jesse's emotions/jerk-off tendencies

I mean, he could have just let his old partner pay for his medical bills.

And get nowhere























That said fuck Walt tho

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The last one being Hank out there in the desert like the Lone Ranger with his Tonto. Jesse filled in a lot of blanks so dude goes out there knowing he offed Gus and orchestrated as mass prison hit.. The fact he never even considered the idea Walt would bring backup was sloppy as hell.
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>The fact he never even considered the idea Walt
>would bring backup was sloppy as hell.

Todd see's it as the perfect opportunity. He's got a slaveboy to cook that blue, and he can pass it off as his own to impress her

will have him kill Meth Damon some how in that lab

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His eyes and mouth just looked like complete voids in that shot. Soul-dead.

>His eyes and mouth just looked like complete voids in that
>shot. Soul-dead.


http://www.theater-masks.com/i/masks/tragedy-mask-wearable.jpg

But you pulled it off

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I think they've already done Cranston, Dean Norris, and Aaron Paul, with Giancarlo Esposito coming up

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That his former chemistry teacher has been playing him like a fiddle and poisoned what might as well be his adopted son? The fuck is wrong with you nigga?

If Walt hadn't been in the picture dude would just be that skeezy white dude at the liquor store reeking of meth smoke and depression.

Dude was never Walt's partner, he was a pawn, and I don't see how you blame him for wanting revenge. Walt is a selfish piece of shit, point blank and period. Excellent character, but I hope Jesse puts a Bullet in his head, and then salts his fucking grave so nothing will ever grow there.

this isn't going to be a happy ending flick for anybody in the show.

you're confusing lack of empathy for his character with something else.

rationalize it however you want, jesse is a shithead.

i dont feel like typing

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Walt laying down like:
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Hank's "10 minutes ago line" reminiscent of:
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Remember the explosion in the RV with Krazy 8? If Walt did tell Jesse about or he was there, maybe Jesse will use this explosion to get the key from Todd and the gas will kill him once Jesse escapes? Would be a good tie in to the Pilot if so.

I just cant remember if Jesse was in the RV or if Walt explained it after it all went down?

>I just cant remember if Jesse was in the RV or if Walt
>explained it after it all went down?

He had to explain it afterwards. Jesse knocked himself out when ne slipped and hit a rock trying to run away from the dealers when they brandished their guns. Walt put a gas mask on Jesse and put him in the front seat of the RV next to him while he was still knocked out.

.

ive watched em all. Sopranos, Six feet under, The Wire, Game of Thrones, Mad Men, all of em.

The Wire was always my favourite. Six Feet Under was always my hearth-wrenching-est. But this has taken all that I love of all those shows, to the utmost level.

I cannot *believe* the transformation this show has taken since I watched the pilot back in 2008. I watched the first season and thought "well, the acting is superb...and that explosion scene at Tuco's was fucking awesome...but we'll see if Season 2 takes it to another level." Oh, how far we've come.

This is the most compelling season of television i've ever seen. From Hank getting off the toilet at the beginning of the shortened season, to confronting walt in his garage, to jesse losing all grip on reality, to the restaurant guacamole scene, to the nazis showing up, to the shootout, to hanks "im asac schraeder. go fuck yourself," to walt admitting jane's death, to Flynn holing the fort of his shaken mother on the ground, to walt trying to save face by taking the blame on the phone with the police in the brilliant ploy, to poor little holly...my god. What a season. What a series.

I'm floored.

Anyone think the ricin is for Uncle Jack in a cigarette somehow?

I would almost bet money that the ricin is for himself.

No one else at this point is gonna wanna get close enough to him for a ricin sneak attack, right?

>I would almost bet money that the ricin is for himself.

He wouldn't need to come all the way and get the ricin tab just to kill himself. My biggest WTF is that he has to know his neighbor went and called the cops after he said Hi to her. He's not making it back out of that house right? or am I remembering it wrong? Did he say hi to her after he already left the house?

I don't see him popping it before he was *sure* he was gonna pull off whatever stunt he plans on attempting... But he damn sure isn't gonna go to jail, either. So if he could manage to take that sucker before he's apprehended (best case scenario for him at this point?) it would allow him to go out on his own terms more or less.

That's my prediction. And, not to brag, but my Breaking Bad predictions have been right almost .0000000000000003% of the time.

i have no clue how the final showdown or what it even will be but i feel like he's going to use the ricin on himself. hell, we're all assuming he's going to shoot it out with the aryans but he could just set up some staged maniac shoot out so that none of the criminal charges land on the fam. it could be anything really...i'm happy to just watch it all go down but i can't see the ricin being for anyone other than himself. that's the one thing that seems obvious at this point.

He's gotta know a painless way, right? At least something less...gruesome. Ricin is something to conceal, I'd think. If he was planning on going out on his terms, seems he could essentially do that at any time.

it's not for suicide.

it's probably for that rat, Flynn.

But I wonder how that would play out, it's not like Uncle Jack is just going to randomly take a cig from Walt. He can't just slip it in a pack either, but I do feel like it does come into play with the finale and the Nazis

theyve made a point to show how specific she is with her tea and such. walt puts that dose on her and it aint a problem.

but then lydia made herself indispensable by telling walt about the other buyers. if i remember correctly.

Because she'd be the only one still remotely fucking with him at this point based on the purity of his product. He could front like he's back in the game and sprinkle something in her tea, sure. I guess it would achieve, what exactly? Killing off everyone with any connection to Heisenberg whatsoever? And again: Why not just shoot her? Plus, it's not like she's just kicking her louboutins up at the aryan compound every day, so it seems like a hit of that nature would require some recon work that I can't see Walt having the opportunity to do.

But it's an interesting thought

Now that its all out there? Even though the DEA hasn't become hip yet, it appears they do at some point given the reaction of Walt's neighbor. Unless he's supposedly dead and she thinks shes seeing a ghost?

I think they've brought up the fact that he drives too fast a few times, and the reminder to buckle his seatbelt in this episode just begs for him to be lost in a car crash. They've gotta be setting that up.

gotta be a combination of that with some form of harm coming from jesse

from a storytelling perspective there's no other way it could go

http://i.imgur.com/4O9rgxA.gif

Unless he does some sudden big soul searching, why would he change that thought process?

This wasn't a trick up his sleeve because if it wasn't for Todd, Jesse would be dead right then

Gus Fing
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Jesse Pinkman
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continuing wiht the series exploration that people aren't good or bad, but both, and when the bad is revealed its fucn ugly, painful, and at time deadly

I don't think it was $10 million.
But it would've have been perfectly ironic if Walt was left with just enough to disappear and nothing more

because Saul wanted half a mil for Walt and family the first time (when Sky had given their money to Ted)

he has a lot of customers.

Figuring out who to blame is for the fans, but that whole family is FUBAR.

Walt might get some closure with his ricin and ak, but the damage is done now. He left his family with nothing after all this.
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Same as it ever was!

"Walter White is a bigger monster than anyone in Westeros."

per his blog.

made up his mind 10 minutes ago"

you supposedly don't get a second chance with the vacuum cleaner, and walt already used his. it could just be that he offered him more money, but a guy in his line of work doesn't sound negotiable.

aka JESSE FAULT AGAIN

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He got the number, but after he found out Skyler gave the money to Ted, he was too busy cackling in the crawl space to call the dude.

>He got the number, but after he found out Skyler gave the
>money to Ted, he was too busy cackling in the crawl space to
>call the dude.


hmmmm, i had assumed that it was once saul made the arrangements then it was official.

From what I remember all he has to do is make the call and tells them who he's picking up.

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Walt doesn't exactly have a history of Rambo'ing his way through problems. Is a Scarface moment simply inevitable at this point, or are we being red herring'd

I think the big gun will allow whoever he's going after to think he's disarmed once he's relieved of it.
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>I think the big gun will allow whoever he's going after to
>think he's disarmed once he's relieved of it.

yep, this makes more sense.

things as is now--i don't see him M-60'ing them down just to get back the $70 mil back.

but skyler, walt jr & holly still have another episode and a half to survive through (and any of them not surviving would get him there).

Speramus in Gilligan

Nazi's have no reason to go after Walt's family, as far as they are concerned, their business is done, and they got the better end of it.

He did promise a cook for them in exchange for Jess, right? But I assume having Jesse as their slave cook cancels out the need for that, not to mention they probably let that wash away once they got out with $70M.

>Nazi's have no reason to go after Walt's family, as far as
>they are concerned, their business is done, and they got the
>better end of it.

and they're certainly going to dig into Hanks dissapeance/death

not sure what info Skylar would have on the nazi's but that whole angle isn't going away so it's really all I can think of

definitely makes me think it's misdirection of some sort. i can't imagine there suddenly being a massive shootout. i'm kinda thinking he does something to make himself the super villain to the cops and clear the fam...the ricin's himself. if he just disappears they will always have his family under surveillance until he turns up. if he does something that appears drastic, with a big gun, then offs himself he could potentially leave them the money and they could be set for life.

previously set up

In other words, the gun is going to pay off, but (perhaps) just not in the way we might expect

Like, (bad pitch) having Walt, who has taken the ricin himself at the Denny's, somehow lure Jack and company outside of town and right into a trap which features the jerry-rigged M-60 firing automatically

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The hell I will





It's really not that serious, guys

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dream with me here guys

What if it's a large super soaker of some sort? Or perhaps it contains a large flag that reads "BANG"?

TIME MACHINE?!?!?!?!!!!

Thank you for the laughter you elicited there, sir.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUTuy3cCMAAxEBx.jpg:large

We did have that ridiculus plane crash season finale, after all.

A "bullshit" plane crash that was set up and hinted at throughout the season

But yo, fuck all that story bullshit. Fuck Vince Gilligan and shit yo.

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>In other words, the gun is going to pay off, but (perhaps)
>just not in the way we might expect

i can't even count how many times this has happened. the ricin and gun will pay off, but i won't even bother predicting how. i'm just gonna be wrong.

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IT WAS ALL A DREAM.

..gilligan!

..episode was great, can't wait to see what happens next...

LOL..i can't even read all this speculation anymore tho

a near 100 millionaire to a less than 10 mill warrants going from stealth batman black to beat up run down paint falling off the truck.

....in the last two episodes....same is shown with the cars and the choices he's had to make the last 2 eps....

I'm a cynical ass, so I'll take it with a grain of salt, but it certainly movie magic if it went down like that.

Here's the link:

http://www.nbcnews.com/entertainment/breaking-bad-producer-i-didnt-script-baby-saying-mama-8C11169986

And here's the pertinent quote:

You mentioned Baby Holly. She broke a lot of hearts and there's a campaign to get the actress nominated for an Emmy next year. We heard her first words, we saw her fear. How did you get her to do that?

You never know what you’re going to get with a tiny little person because beautiful little actresses of their age don’t really know what’s happening. And we have two baby Hollys and their moms are always right there. There are enormous restrictions when working with children that are appropriate in terms of you only get them for 20 minute increments. This is really emotional stuff. We really just kind of got lucky that the baby Hollys were giving us what we needed within a scene. Certainly, seeing Skyler pounding on the window of a pickup truck was really scary. But in the restroom scene with Bryan, her mommy was just three feet away. And I didn’t script the baby saying “Mama.” I scripted that Walter would come to it himself as he stood Baby Holly up and looked in her face and realized he was doing the wrong thing by her. And then, when he stood her up, and she looked over his shoulder at her 'Mama' and started asking for her, Bryan the consummate actor rolled with it. We just got some movie magic. It was just incredible. It was more than I could have hoped for — it was like the moment that I wrote on meth.

Why would you actually write out a line with the expectation of an infant reciting it

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her mouth looked a little weird when she was speaking.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/breaking-bad-final-episodes-will-be-extra-long-20130918

'Breaking Bad' Final Episodes Will Be 'Extra Long'
By RYAN REED
SEPTEMBER 18, 2013 5:35 PM ET
Breaking Bad fans, it's time to retool those DVRs. According to a recent tweet from writer-producer Peter Gould, the series' final two episodes will be "extra long," running past their standard hour length. (TV Guide has the episodes clocking in at 75 minutes.)

Gould tweeted the info in response to a question about the length of the final episode. The news should be a pleasant surprise for Breaking Bad diehards, many of whom are still reeling from the emotional onslaught of Sunday's brutal episode, "Ozymandias."

The penultimate episode, "Granite State," was written and directed by Gould. It airs this Sunday at 9 p.m. EST on AMC.
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I remember that sinking feeling I had when I finished the last episode of the Wire, knowing this brilliant series is fucking OVER. Good to see that these last two will be "extra long"

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1176389_176128752575403_1933222214_n.jpg.

V.

neither is the scarface shit

but just with the oranges and the way in which Walter fell to the floor and we got a mute scream, reminded me of Al in Godfather 3 doin sumthn similar. in an otherwise ok film, dude really nailed that inaudible wail, with only his mouth agape in pure horror as any indicator of a scream. felt like they made the same creative decision on BB when Walt had his 'moment'. but its real loose cos i havent noticed any overall Godfather parallels til these last few eps.

V.

bananas, kiwis, and pomegranates don't have quite the same samurai kick. an apple could work but wouldn't be as smooth and free flowing. oranges make more sense to me in physics or physical properties than a sociological symbolic cultural meaning or whatever.

V.

>http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1176389_176128752575403_1933222214_n.jpg.
>
>V.

oranges symbolize death/violence in a bunch of stuff.

holy shit, hahahh

don't let friends that haven't seen breaking bad yet read this

http://deadspin.com/screw-your-completist-ism-a-guide-to-bandwagoning-brea-1341449917?

I couldn't stand it. I was sitting through the lightning delay during Sunday Night Football and so many people were tweeting and salivating over Breaking Bad that I began to feel sick to my stomach over never having watched it. Jesus could have appeared in the flesh and it wouldn't have generated such an enthusiastic response from the masses. Sure, He's the son of God, BUT HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE WHAT WALT DID THIS TIME I'LL NEVER GET OVER IT! The fervor is so strong that TV critic Alan Sepinwall had his appendix removed on Sunday and still felt obligated to watch the show AND write a recap that night. People want desperately to believe they are watching something momentous—that they didn't waste their time on anything less than the greatest show ever devised. And so they're willing to go to extreme measures to be part of that phenomenon.

This isn't like the lovefest over The Wire, a show that struggled in the ratings and was discovered by the majority of its fanbase after its initial run had ended. The Breaking Bad lunacy is unfolding in real time. One day, Netflix will take over everything and viewing habits will become so staggered that people won't be able to live-tweet quality TV en masse. But for now, shows like this still air at set times, allowing fans to obsess over it simultaneously and make the rest of us feel like fucking losers.

It's not like I didn't WANT to start watching Breaking Bad. But sometimes, you just fall behind on certain things because life gets in the way and you can't find an open window to catch up. I have to deal with kids and a wife who hates violent television and work and all that nonsense. I barely managed to get away with doing all of The Wire (it took a full year), and I did so years after most other people did (IT'S GREAT AND YOU SHOULD WATCH IT AND I TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT YOU!). I knew Breaking Bad was a brilliant show. I knew I would love it. But I had fallen so far behind that I had no prayer of catching up in time for the end. And yet, it's clear now that we all MUST be there for the end.

We live in a completist TV culture now. For Hall of Fame shows like Breaking Bad, you are expected to watch all of it, in order. And you really should avoid spoilers (impossible) to make the viewing experience optimal. No skipping episodes. No jumping in midstream. Shows that can be watched in a more casual way are inferior and pointless. Either you watch all 62 episodes, or you watch nothing. This wasn't the case IN MY DAY*. In my day, if you missed the beginning of a show, you just hopped aboard whenever you could and figured it out. And you didn't feel like an ass about it.


Well, I couldn't sit back and let these TV-watching GLORY BOYS celebrate the end of this show without me. The idea of waiting years to experience the emotional payoff of Breaking Bad, and the prospect of spending all my time on the Internet vigilantly avoiding spoilers, was too much to take. So I committed the ultimate modern TV viewing sin: I watched a recording of last Sunday's episode of Breaking Bad (entitled "Ozymandias"; sounds like it'll end well!) cold, without having seen any of the previous episodes or seasons, save a 10-minute snippet here and there. I also watched the one episode over two nights, just to do it REALLY wrong. IMDB rated this the single greatest episode of TV ever, just to make you feel extra terrible for missing it. Well, screw you people, I'm bandwagoning onto that shit, Lakers-fan style.

After all, how hard could it be to figure it out? I knew the gist of it: cancer-stricken chemistry teacher decides to start homebrewing meth, and then HILARITY ENSUES. Besides, they're nice enough to give you the whole "Previously on..." montage. I bet anyone with half a brain could figure out what's going on. Here now are the results of my bandwagoning experiment (WARNING: THERE ARE MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW THAT YOU WILL TRY TO AVOID BUT THEN LOOK AT BECAUSE YOU KINDA CAN'T HELP YOURSELF AND THEN YOU'LL BE SUPER PISSED THAT ANY SPOILERS WERE POSTED AT ALL)...

These are not happy people!

Whether by accident or design, creator Vince Gilligan and his writing staff were shockingly accommodating in this episode to anyone who's just tuning in now. Right off the bat, there's a flashback to happier times, just Walt and Jesse in the trailer, cookin' up methshine back in the good ol' days! MEMORIES.

I also know right away that Hank is Walt's brother-in-law. Or was. Walt seems really broken up about the whole "neo-Nazi shooting Hank to death" thing, which is odd because if he REALLY liked his brother-in-law, he probably wouldn't have put him in a spot where a neo-Nazi could shoot him to death. No one is ever really THAT close to their brother-in-law. He's just grieving to be nice.

But I'm glad I tuned in just in time to see Hank die. This shit is getting good!

Kudos to Walt for recovering from his grief quickly enough to smoke out his meth-making colleague Jesse and then tell him that he let his wife (or girlfriend? Sounded like someone Jesse liked either way!) overdose and die. He really got his game face back on quickly. You gotta have a short memory in the meth game.

It was super nice of the neo-Nazi to let Walt keep a barrel full of cash. Despite all the murdering and racism, neo-Nazis believe in fairness above all.

I'd like someone to fill an oil drum with cash and weigh it for me so that I can figure out if it's realistic for a dude to be able to roll said oil drum for what appears to be miles through a sun-baked desert. What if you hit a rock? What if you hit many of them? Sounds like SOMEONE didn't close a crucial plot hole! F-minus for you!
I was also able to quickly figure out that the blond lady and brunette lady are sisters. Sassy sisters who just won't stop bickering with one another about who's husband is a drug lord and who's gotta tell whose kids all the horrible shit they've done. WOMEN, AMIRITE?!

Whether or not you agree that this was the greatest episode of TV ever filmed, this episode most certainly broke the record for "most characters who make the Greek weeping face". You know the one: it's the frowny theater mask, the one on the cover of Motley Crue's Theatre of Pain. Walt, Jesse, the wife, the sister, the son, and the baby all make that MY GOD LIFE'S CRUELTY KNOWS NO BOUNDS face. Jeez, you people are downers.

There's no delicate way to put this, but... Walt's son is challenged, right? That's his deal? I assume Walt did that to him somehow by slipping meth into his lunch or something.

Skyler has to choose between picking up a phone or a knife when Walt comes home. I was rooting for the knife, and I got it. Good choice, girl!

Nothing beats a good husband-wife knife fight. This was one of those knife fights where both combatants are struggling for the weapon and you fully expect one person to go OOOOH! and then slump to the floor, and then they reveal the knife accidentally plunged in someone's breastplate. Classic knife fight trope. But both Walt and Skyler survive. I thought the son might get stabbed in the melee somehow, but he lived. Kinda disappointing.

Holy shit, Walt stole the baby! What a cock! Like any good drug lord, Walt knows that having a baby means you have LEVERAGE. I also liked that Walt changed the baby's diaper on the road and made sure to find a secure car seat for her. Because when you're traveling in a broken-down pickup with a kidnapped, blood-stained baby riding in the front seat, SAFETY MATTERS, you know? Glad he's got his priorities in order.
Did they have to show the baby crying MAMA? Christ. Nothing but bad things happen on this show! THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SHOW'S TITLE THAT INDICATES BAD THINGS WILL OCCUR!

Walt calls his wife to ream her out and say hateful, awful things to her. I thought he was gonna kill the baby over the phone and have her listen, because that's a real power move.

But then he returns the baby! It's true: Babies do tend to lose their charm the longer you have them around.

I was doing an abroad program in Mexico one time and for class, our teacher made us watch this Mexican movie where the police break into an apartment building, kill lots of innocent people, and then leave. That was the entire story. Just the saddest, most horrible shit you could imagine. This was basically that. So that's fun!



Anyway, I watched "Ozymandias" and found myself instantly riveted, and then utterly horrified. It was as intense as any piece of TV I've ever seen, even though I'm sure a few storylines were lost on me. By the end, I was a withered soul. Like any devotee of the show, I could barely sleep thinking about it. It completely fucked with my head, which I suppose was the point. And now I'm caught up! I'm hip! Hooray! I regret nothing.

Is this the optimal way to experience a historic TV series? Of course not. But if you're pressed for time and you just want your cultural constipation relieved, it's nice to know that you DO have the option. It's a sin in this country to not wring maximum pleasure out of everything you do, but in this case I think I'll be okay with it, especially given that stolen babies were involved. Can't wait to jump into Homeland now! I'm told mental illness is featured. Sounds juicy!

(Seriously though, watch The Wire from the beginning or else you're a terrible person.)

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https://twitter.com/petergould/status/380463937033994241


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I checked & it's official. Last 2 #BreakingBad eps are 75 minutes each w/commercials. Set your DVRS accordingly. Better still, watch live!

Maybe Walt finds out they are keeping Jesse alive and making him cook, and the big gun is Walt's last chance at some sort of redemption, or maybe he just wants to kill them all including Jesse?!

Its not like Walt needs another 70mil, I think Skyler could live off the 11mil no problem.

cause you know walt is totally gay for him

swiped this from the Dexter post since most of you hopefully are avoiding that trainwreck and lept off after Season 4

Here’s a cartoon that’s been making the rounds poking fun of Dexter‘s penchant to over-explain itself: http://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/breaking-bad-dexter-writers1.jpg?w=1024&h=358


As one recap reader joked: “And then half the episode follows Steve Gomez thinking about starting a restaurant.”

That has to be one of the WORST cases of falling off for a TV show ever

this last season pretty much invalidates any of the highs that show ever had.

That comic strip pretty much has it down

*shrug*

So does Todd, his people, Lydia, and Marie.

I'm going out in blaze of glory and taking as many people on my shit list with me as I can.

she's bitchy and all but i don't see why she deserves to die

If she REALLY thought her sister was innocent. That was foul as fuck. That had NOTHING to do w/Flynn and was ALL about shaming Sky - it was nothing but cruel to Flynn.

just that she could possibly be redeemed somehow

Weighing the "good" vs. the "bad" is not an option

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at the point she did that, her husband had been framed by Walt (Sky was there when he handed her the video, so she knows she was part of that)

she knows Walt was the reason Hank was crippled and almost killed by cartel guys. Hank's recovery alone was rough as hell on her

So, yeah, the Flynn thing was a total bitch move, but i'd say losing her husband is punishment enough. saying she still needs to get got is pretty extra

should've just cooked that shit...cmon man. u know those nazi's don't make idle threats.

If he stays he's dead regardless if he cooks or not.

But I can't blame him for trying to escape.

Rather than running though....once he picked the cuffs, i was hoping he'd use the paper clip and handcuffs as some kind of weapons to stab and beat Todd when he came to get him out of his hole. Todd's got it coming.

i have no problem with the escape

but when he got caught and said FUCK U I AINT COOKIN'...yeah, that was not a smart move considering he'd been stuck in a cell with that picture and he knows how serious the nazis are with their shit.

jesse's a shithead

>but when he got caught and said FUCK U I AINT COOKIN'...yeah,
>that was not a smart move considering he'd been stuck in a
>cell with that picture and he knows how serious the nazis are
>with their shit.

he knows todd doesn't give a fuck. he saw him say hi to a kid before shooting him.

The finale could be Vince Gilligan laughing and counting his money. This show is officially the GOAT.

GOD DAMN TODD IS COLD BLOODED

He's so damn matter of fact about everything. It's really unnerving.

Throws down buckets of Chunky Munky one minute & capping single moms the next. Fuck that dude for real.

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Same as it ever was!

It's not personal...


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Same as it ever was!

Ben and Jerry's son!


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Same as it ever was!

jesse as a meth slave.

there wouldn't have been any complaints on my end if they chose that route.

both have lost their loved ones and have nothing to live for. every character (except jr. and holly) is finished.

i'm curious to see if gilligan allows walt to achieve some form of redemption. walt's not getting out scot-free, but i wonder if vince will allow the
viewer to feel *somewhat* good about the guy in this last ep. i want to say no since he's spoken openly about how he's shocked that people still
feel sympathy for walt.

i think thats the most important thing to take away from the final scene.

Like that Walt thinks they must have Jesse?

He doesn't want HIS product to live on without him. He'd rather destroy it, then let it go on in others hands like his old company he was watching on TV.

But I'm trying to figure out why in the world Walt would want to kill Lydia. If he takes out the Nazis and Jesse...the blue is off the streets.

He knows she tried to have Mike killed and she's always hungry to kill people who know who she is. If he finds out she tried to have Skylar killed? Sheeeeeeit.

They definitely are setting the fuck up out of that Stevia. Hard to tell if it's just a running gag or a red herring or just making extra sure the audience sees her ricin death coming.

then the Meth guys will give up cooking since there's no more money to be made and they already have 70mil.

And there's the skyler thing, if he found that out somehow that's plenty of reason to kill her. Not sure how he would find that out though unless he mananges to talk to skyler.

I gotta find that Grey Matter script and read it again, I mean I considered that piece of the story to be a possibility in the end game, but not like this

And sure, it could be argued that the way we got back to it was contrived, but considering that Vince has talked about the show being like a western, it's not that hard to see Walt in the bar (saloon), getting upset when he's (passive-aggressively) called out by a former friend turned foe and, as the literal and figurative outlaw, decides to ride into town one last time

Also, once again, Todd is such a fascinating psychopath

I also like how the brief meta-commentary by the show's writers in the scene where Jack and company are watching Jesse's video

Now, I don't care if Vince gives us 75 minutes of niggas farting in the finale, this show is officially in the pantheon of greatest shows ever

Right with The Wire and The Sopranos

And passing The Shield, Six Feet Under, L.A. Law, and Miami Vice YEA I SAID IT © melmag

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But this show has definitely passed The Shield, MAYBE Sopranos. It's going to be awhile before I can say if this or The Wire is better, but its definitely up there.

>Now, I don't care if Vince gives us 75 minutes of niggas
>farting in the finale, this show is officially in the pantheon
>of greatest shows ever
>
>Right with The Wire and The Sopranos
>
>And passing The Shield, Six Feet Under, L.A. Law, and Miami
>Vice YEA I SAID IT © melmag

Season 4 put it in the top shows of all time.

Season 5 has put it on top.

especially since he had grabbed the hat minutes after being dropped off at the cabin, but as soon as he opened that gate, immediately was consumed by timid walter white and ran back inside

kinda funny that he had to bottom out at a bar before being born again

and Walt's about to murk him, Todd's gonna be looking at him like a sad puppy, all 'but what did I do wrong Mr White?'

Walt has nobody else to use.

This ep set all that up.

His money is useless.

Heisenberg. LOL

Took him months to venture eight miles.

Fell out in a coughing fit trying to scare saul.

His ego will drive him back, but he's no match for anyone. Kudos to the writers for tying the Grey Matter storyline.

Also playing with the timeline. Walt didn't last but a couple months away. Not the year or so I though.
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I remember he dismissed Todd and his connections as "nothing to worry about" & "just flexin'" or something along those lines. Damn Jesse's story is depressing right now, I hope they end his misery in the final ep. How can you recover from been forced to watch a loved one being executed?

by Mike and by the fact that they've done all these things since then

Mike wasn't sweating it because he's... Mike, but i kinda wonder if Mike's guys being locked up could have something to do with why he'd be more willing to gave Todd a pass, for the sake of his guys inside.

>by Mike and by the fact that they've done all these things
>since then

but yeah, i just took it as him not seeing anything they were into at the time that would be a problem.

he didn't think anything of it because the kid was willing to work and do his part...which he was. him being connected wasn't a problem until Walt made it into a problem.

His reaction is completely justified

This kid from the suburbs with a dad who is a teacher and his hero uncle Hank the DEA agent he looked up to. He still thinks Walt killed Hank btw as well. Walt never made it clear he did not, just "I tried to save him", could mean he tried to give him a way out, he wouldn't let Walt go so Walt offed him anyway for all they know.

Taking the money would be a crime. Walt Jr is a good kid who believes in following the law so it would have been ridiculous for him to go along with Walt's plan even if it may help the family. Right now, he's seen all of Walt's actions tear the family apart, moved out of their house, etc. Shit went bad and its all his dad's fault. We may want to root for the bad guy but the writer's are keeping it real for the most part.


The only thing I thought was far-fetched this episode was Jesse's escape attempt. Even if it is as easy as he made it look to pick the handcuffs with the paperclip, Jesse's upper body strength getting that gate unlocked and opened, ehh. Not a major gripe tho, having him get caught trying to climb the fence and then the repercussions was worth that issue.

Walt blamed (or maybe still blames) Jesse for Hank's death, Walt Jr. blames Walt for Hank's death. Remarkable he still holds onto that anger for all those months though. The only rememberance Walt's son will have is of all the negatives that he's done.

and they're basically being lampooned in the scene where the nazis watch jesse's video.

they're just too stupid to realise.

even the writers think so

.

Walt has hurt kids, those dealers hurt kids, and Todd killed a kid. He has a moral compass unlike a lot of people on that show.

His plight is sympathetic...Walt is a piece of shit who confuses his ego for loving his family.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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considering he's a 17 yr old suburban kid with disabilities

and we know he idolized his uncle, so its in line with his character

The White's are being blasted all over the news. We dont really see it much, but Walt has all the press clippings hanging on the wall in his new home, Charlie Rose show, etc.

People know who Flynn is because of who his dad is. I find it hard to believe that hes in class, completely normal, he gets called out of class for an emergency, no one else reacts... he takes the call in private, no one making a big deal about it.

That would not happen in the society we live in. His classmates would be whispering to eachother about him, shit even the school staff would definitely be peeking in to that convo, especially when he starts yelling on the phone.

That whole scene just didnt come across as believable to me given the circumstances. This is nothing to do with how he acted- I totally think thats justified in his mind, but the show failed to convey in that scene that The Whites are all over the news because it would not have gone down like that.

>The White's are being blasted all over the news. We dont
>really see it much, but Walt has all the press clippings
>hanging on the wall in his new home, Charlie Rose show, etc.
>
>People know who Flynn is because of who his dad is. I find it
>hard to believe that hes in class, completely normal, he gets
>called out of class for an emergency, no one else reacts... he
>takes the call in private, no one making a big deal about it.
>
>That would not happen in the society we live in. His
>classmates would be whispering to eachother about him, shit
>even the school staff would definitely be peeking in to that
>convo, especially when he starts yelling on the phone.
>
>That whole scene just didnt come across as believable to me
>given the circumstances. This is nothing to do with how he
>acted- I totally think thats justified in his mind, but the
>show failed to convey in that scene that The Whites are all
>over the news because it would not have gone down like that.

They said/thought it was his aunt Marie since Walt had he female bar patron pretend that

Marie, the wife of the DEA agent that he thinks his dad kills, calls his school and says it's an emergency. Heads would be turning.

Like this dude who takes a peek at Flynn's test when he gets up:

http://i.imgur.com/1vH3G4R.jpg

I think you're looking a bit too much into that scene

of Walt. it frees him from any sin, complicity, and implication of his dad's evil deeds, and doesn't get the slightest chance to tempt or sway him. ppl can attack the storyline all they want, but the writers to me didn't want to put him along a similar axis as Sky who played along and is guilty and suffering for it now far worse than Jr. doesn't matter if Walt killed Hank directly or not; he had a hand in it and is responsible in some way.

"get the fucking ice cream from the basket!"

*puts on Goodbye Horses* *applies Lydia's lipstick*

the DEA find the prints so know Walt is in the area, do a manhunt and find the cabin and the barrel. Walt sacrifices this barrel since he's going after the other 7. The cops stake out the cabin thinking this is all of Walt's money and he will return for it and Forster gets got on his next monthly visit.


Walt will end up taking down Jack and the Nazis with Jesse's help. After they are wiped out, Jesse turns on Walt and puts a bullet in him. Lydia gets the ricin somehow as well.

and like he said in the episode...he's not going back if he finds out that Walt left the cabin.

the final season was Walt pulling up to his abandoned house, maybe he is going back for the ricin

> >maybe he is going back for the ricin

"Oh, it's okay, Jesse. I totally understand with me shooting that girl you like and all."

They flew him out for 1-2 days of shooting and they mentioned it was only 2 major scenes he's involved in with Bryan and Bob Odenkirk.

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whole thing in black & white--law enforcement dudes in hazmat suits, 2 bodybags on front driveway, the pink, one-eyed teddy bear floating in the pool, the White's house looking like a roped-off crime scene...is it me or was that never tied up? (or was it me not realizing it was supposed to be a dream?)

It was a red herring;

All season they teased it out making you think it had something to do with Walt's activities, but they tied it up with the airplane accident cleanup crew

friend of mine is trucking through the whole series currently and asked me about that scene when she got to it.. and i was thinking "wait, did they drop the ball there??" (of course not)

>All season they teased it out making you think it had
>something to do with Walt's activities, but they tied it up
>with the airplane accident cleanup crew


Season 2 is the thesis statement for the entire show

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and to the creators for working that in perfectly with the closing scene before the felina.

why bring their storyline back, unless they are gonna flashback in the finale to finally explain what happened between the three of them?

which then leads to "why flash back to them in your final 75 minutes, unless there's going to be present-day conflict with them?"

they get the ricin.

I can also see himself taking it, on some 2Pac, "nothing to lose, it's just me against the world" steeze

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Naw

and the visual of him holding an M60 in front of those two will be awesome

*glares at camera*

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>why bring their storyline back, unless they are gonna
>flashback in the finale to finally explain what happened
>between the three of them?
>
>which then leads to "why flash back to them in your final 75
>minutes, unless there's going to be present-day conflict with
>them?"
>
>they get the ricin.

Walt was ready to take Saul's advice - to turn himself in and live out the rest of his days in jail. He realized his family wasn't ever going to see the money, and this was all for nothing.

But then he saw the Gray Matter stuff on Charlie Rose, and found out that the blue was still in circulation. I think it just fucked with his ego - and he realized that, much like Gray Matter, his ideas are living on without him. He wants to destroy the Blue. I have no idea who the ricin is for, but I really just think that seeing those 2 was simply a catalyst for him to go back to New Mexico.

>>why bring their storyline back, unless they are gonna
>>flashback in the finale to finally explain what happened
>>between the three of them?
>>
>>which then leads to "why flash back to them in your final 75
>>minutes, unless there's going to be present-day conflict
>with
>>them?"
>>
>>they get the ricin.
>
>Walt was ready to take Saul's advice - to turn himself in and
>live out the rest of his days in jail. He realized his family
>wasn't ever going to see the money, and this was all for
>nothing.
>
>But then he saw the Gray Matter stuff on Charlie Rose, and
>found out that the blue was still in circulation. I think it
>just fucked with his ego - and he realized that, much like
>Gray Matter, his ideas are living on without him. He wants to
>destroy the Blue. I have no idea who the ricin is for, but I
>really just think that seeing those 2 was simply a catalyst
>for him to go back to New Mexico.
>

him killing the Gray Matter couple would be too random--it's the blue meth living on without him thing.

walt isn't gonna let yet another of his legacies go unnoticed again

>-it's
>the blue meth living on without him thing.

Walt knew Todd and the nazis were taking over the business...I don't think Walt ever gave a shit. He just wanted out. Hell, walt even agreed to help Todd out with one more batch. Obviously Todd was going to do his best to replicate Walts product.

the blue

Or thrown in with the mixture that makes the blue

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That that amount of ricin could kill 3 or 4 people. I'd think that if mixed into pounds and pounds of meth, it wouldn't do much, if anything. I initially thought that too...but I just don't see that happening. I see the following as potentials:

1. Ricin in the cigarette - for Jack, likely.
2. Ricin in the tea/Stivia - for Lydia - though Walt really has no issue with her (he doesn't know she threatened Skylar, and probably hasn't had contact with Skylar before he gets the ricin)
3. Ricin for himself - to guarantee he won't live long once put in jail.
4. Ricin for Jesse, somehow.

I really don't think that his old partner's even a possibility, really.

>That that amount of ricin could kill 3 or 4 people. I'd think
>that if mixed into pounds and pounds of meth, it wouldn't do
>much, if anything. I initially thought that too...but I just
>don't see that happening. I see the following as potentials:
>
>1. Ricin in the cigarette - for Jack, likely.
>2. Ricin in the tea/Stivia - for Lydia - though Walt really
>has no issue with her (he doesn't know she threatened Skylar,
>and probably hasn't had contact with Skylar before he gets the
>ricin)
>3. Ricin for himself - to guarantee he won't live long once
>put in jail.
>4. Ricin for Jesse, somehow.
>
>I really don't think that his old partner's even a
>possibility, really.


The thing about Walt getting to Lydia is that Lydia doesn't live in New Mexico. I forget which state she's in, but I think Gilligan said she lives in Texas on one of the podcasts. For him to get to Lydia would likely depend on Walt meeting her right when she's picking up more cook from Todd, which is asking a lot. Unless Walt becomes a One Man Army Ason and goes to Lydia and then makes it to New Mexico undetected, which is also asking a lot.

Remarkable that there's so few characters left and it's near impossible to predict how it will all end.

They inspired him to go back and reclaim or destroy the other empire he built (dat blue!)

Not to go poison folks from 20 years ago that haven't played a real role in this drama at all. I have pretty good faith in the writers and Vince that they will not play a role in the finale. They already did their part in setting up the finale

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(from halfway thru the phone call on) is a reshoot.

The original film negatives (they still shoot on film...wow) fell out of a truck at the airport after being shipped to the lab and were run over by a 737 plane.

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Was it ever clearly spelled out if her superiors in Madrigal knew of her involvement with the meth business? It looks as if she is the main go to person in terms of arranging things in terms of how involved the Madrigal corporation is, but are they totally oblivious to what's going on, or are they keeping hands off her knowingly so they can't get brought up on charges?

If I remember they were saying that they were totally unaware and that they would get down to the bottom of it and whoever was in involved was going to pay.

Now that could have been lip service to get the Feds off them but Lydia looked spooked in that meeting.

I'm just wondering if Todd is going to finally off Lydia once he realizes that she doesn't want him just the money.

RyanM brought up a point above that i completely missed when watching. I just thought the Elliott and Gretchen interview got to him only because they shit on his contribution to Grey Matter, but what i missed was the significance of them saying the blue is still out there. Unless he believes Todd is capable (which i doubt), he knows Todd took Jesse, and likely put it together that the Nazis kept Jesse to cook

edit: looks like Randomfact also brought this up above. sorry, i just skimmed through

I mean, he blames Jesse for Hank's death, and it wouldn't be a stretch that he blames him on some level for the eventual destruction of his family life. I think he definitely wants to kill the Nazis, but I'm not sure if he'd mind if in doing so, he killed Jesse in the process.

I also think he assumes that the blue meth could come from Todd. He knows that Lydia thought the product was inferior (not sure if he knew that it was Declan making the meth or Todd). He'd certainly have no reason to knew if the meth that was being produced wasn't blue for a time.

he'd probably put it together. no one knows Todd's skill level better than Walt, but he knows Jesse can cook as good as he can, though.

Elliott and Gretchen are taking credit for his lifes work
Now (as far as he knows) Todd/killer Nazis/and possibly Jesse are doing the same

Consigned to slanging Cinnabons in Nebraska with only three pairs of Dockers to his name?

That may be worse than a lifetime of meth-making slavery.

>Consigned to slanging Cinnabons in Nebraska with only three
>pairs of Dockers to his name?
>
>That may be worse than a lifetime of meth-making slavery.


ever had a cinnabon?

>ever had a cinnabon?

Which should speak to what I think about their quality.

>
>>ever had a cinnabon?
>
>Which should speak to what I think about their quality.
>

well they are certainly better than Aunty Anne's Pretzels..so one cant do to bad by being a Cinnabon mgr with 3 pairs of dockers...meanwhile Walts in a log cabin

>>
>>>ever had a cinnabon?
>>
>>Which should speak to what I think about their quality.
>>
>
>well they are certainly better than Aunty Anne's Pretzels..so
>one cant do to bad by being a Cinnabon mgr with 3 pairs of
>dockers...meanwhile Walts in a log cabin

>
>ever had a cinnabon?

thats where they be

he MUST have some money saved up over the years


idk maybe he just wasn't earning as much I had thought or he can't access whatever funds he has

>idk maybe he just wasn't earning as much I had thought or he
>can't access whatever funds he has

I think it's more needing to uphold his new image of a regular schmuck from Nebraska.

can't see him needing those flashy lawyer business suits anymore lol

A lot of Henry Hill's post-wise guy life's notable moments occurred somewhere in Nebraska.




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I didn't think it was possible to feel more gutted after an episode like Osymandias but I feel severely hung over from what I witnessed last night. The killing of Andrea just feels like the worst murder we've seen to this point. She is as innocent as they come in this Breaking Bad world imo (My boyfriend pointed out that she *did accept money from a known drug dealer). I guess it is debatable. But she was trying to do right and now we have a motherless child. It just feels so tragic. (Along with everything else really at this point.) I don't see how there can be any redemption for Jesse? Even if Todd dies at his hands. Jesse is a dead vessel.

I think Grantland's Recap thought it was balance (a nod to Jesse's killing of Gale) and had faith that he'll survive. I'm left feeling Jesse's story is the bleakest.

I hope Walt fucks shit up next week but that goes without saying..

I'm also aware that a lot of ppl on here feel Jesse is getting all he deserves but with Hank gone who is left to carry the torch? The heart of the show? Will that even be a factor in the end? I can only hope that there is a sliver of redemption somewhere in the ashes... for the sake of my soul! ha

I used to post on here a long time ago but it's been so long I lost my login. But I couldn't let the show go by without at least sharing on here one more time..

And I'm sure after the Finale (Felina)..

I'm in desperate need of happy gif's of the cast after last night's win! Such a contrast to what we watched in the episode..

The killing of Andrea just feels
>like the worst murder we've seen to this point.

hers and Drews for me

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it strikes me as weird that he wouldn't want them to know the truth. I hope that loose end gets tied up next week.

And as I had brought up last week, Walt's phone call to Skylar didn't seem to accomplish much. "A jury may look upon you more favorably" or something to that effect. Forget the exact wording but the DEA is still going after Skylar to whatever extent they can.

He should turn himself in and live out his days in prison. Had he done that, she might have actually been ok.

>Had he done that, she might have actually been ok.

I guess the idea is that she could cut a deal but I still think the DEA would fuck with skylar to whatever extent they could. especially if they already have Walt gift wrapped.

It hasn't been stated but I think what's primarily fueling the manhunt for Walt is that the DEA believes he killed two of their agents. Walt didn't kill Hank so we're back to the drug angle to which Skylar is an accomplice and I don't know why she wouldn't be prosecuted as such.

but again, I'm still stuck on the fact that there isn't any hard evidence to go on with the drugs. Hank's knowledge of the case died in the desert and the nazi's took whatever was left from his house. Jesse is as good as dead and the nazi's have most of Walt's dirty $$.



**even more reason why Walt jr.'s reaction to his dad is on point. Walt going MIA has made life for the fam infinitely worse.

Because the problem is no matter what he says, his family doesn't appear to be receptive to anything he's saying

It's not like Junior was going to change his tune if Walt had only said, "Wait, son, I didn't kill your Uncle Hank, it wasn't me and I'm gonna prove it"

Junior and Skyler aren't suddenly going to flip and join Walt's side

So I'm not sure what him correcting that piece of information gets us at this time, or even down the line

I could be wrong, but it seems as if this family is beyond repair at this point, which is what Walt realizes and leads to him finally breaking down calling the police on himself

And anyway, it appears Walt's more concerned that his name's being erased from the history books by the Grey Matter folks

At this point in the story, soothing his ego and "getting justice" is more important than clearing his "innocence" (*coughbullshitcough*) with his family when it comes to Hank's murder

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>"getting
>justice" is more important than clearing his "innocence"
>(*coughbullshitcough*) with his family when it comes to Hank's
>murder

walt's always been about family, family, family...and he's still foolishly trying to provide for them when he makes that call to flynn.

you'd think that being accused of killing a family member would eat at him and it'd be something he'd want to set straight before he dies.

but no, it wouldn't accomplish much. there isn't much left for walt to accomplish anyway aside from the vengeance killings and the legacy he leaves behind.

Todd told Lydia it was 92% pure, then he told Jesse it was 96%. Is he holding back from Lydia so he can continue to impress her and keep her coming back for more or was it just a mistake?

?

she damm near had an orgasm when he said 92
his plan next time is to come in like "its 94 baby, we make a good team"

notice it was nighttime when he said that and he met Lydia earlier in the day to discuss the 92% batch? Jesse cooked an even better one which is why Todd was so excited.

My mind was spinning with everything going on, missed that, thanks.

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This show makes me sick. I was sick watching Jesse pick the lock and attempt his obviously doomed escape. I was sick when Andrea opened the door to Todd. I was sick when Flynn had to listen to the ramblings of his evil father. And I was sick that I momentarily still felt sympathy for Walt (sympathy I quickly recognized was momentary and not lasting).

All day today I was upset and on edge.

Breaking Bad, don't end. I need you to keep me feeling the feelings everyday life doesn't usually bring out of me. Sometimes feeling emotions that intense is good for the body.

I both cannot wait and dread this coming Sunday.

>Breaking Bad, don't end. I need you to keep me feeling the
>feelings everyday life doesn't usually bring out of me.
>Sometimes feeling emotions that intense is good for the body.
>
>
>I both cannot wait and dread this coming Sunday.

Andrea's death affected me a bit but not half as much as it should have. Cause that was pretty fucking awful. I'm ok with maximal amount of chaos and death in the final episode.

Whereas Red Wedding affected me a for a few days. I vaguely remember Six Feet Under having some lasting sadness on me as well.

six feet under was the first piece of art that ever had an effect on my day-to-day life. there was never really the fear of a red wedding or mike ehrmantrauting but it was emotionally draining as a show.

the episode near the end of six feet under where *SPOILER* nate starts talking gibberish and then...boom, that had me fucked up for days.

but breaking bad hits me in different ways. the emotional response is similar, but overall breaking bad is so much more...fucked up.

>the episode near the end of six feet under where *SPOILER*
>nate starts talking gibberish and then...boom, that had me
>fucked up for days.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/09/breaking-bad-peter-gould-granite-state-interview.html

>Breaking Bad’s Peter Gould Talks ‘Granite State’
By Denise Martin

On last night's Breaking Bad, we learned what hell is like. It's being sequestered in a cabin with two copies of Mr. Magorium’s Wonder Emporium. It’s putting on your porkpie hat and finding it no longer summons up Heisenbergian powers. It’s hearing that your money is just going to collect dust with you in New Hampshire because your precious family doesn’t want anything to do with you. Walt, at last, is in the hell of his own making. And just when you think he’s accepted it, his old pals Gretchen and Elliott arrive to kick more dirt on his grave, expunging him from the history of Gray Matter Technologies — and sparking Walt's fuse again.

But is that really what made Walt ditch his Dimple Pinch (neat) at the end of Breaking Bad’s penultimate episode? How much more misery can Jesse take? So many more dire questions left before the end! Vulture caught up with executive producer Peter Gould, who both wrote and directed Sunday’s “Granite State,” to talk about how the supersize episode came together, and what’s left to do.

V: Walt can’t get his money to his family. His son wants him to die already. Has he finally given up on any kind of redemption?

PG: I don’t know if Walt sees it as redemption. He still wants meaning. He still wants everything he’s done to have some purpose or meaning. That’s really what it comes down to for him. He starts off with these big, big plans, and by the end of the episode he’s willing to take his little, piddling box, and as long as he gets that to Jr. at least that will be something. Even that doesn’t work. Obviously something happens there at the end. He sees something, some connection has been made that throws him into the next episode. I don’t know about redemption. He said in the first half of the season, “If you believe in hell, that’s where we’re both going,” and he really does believe on some level that the ends justify the means. But if everything he’s done adds up to nothing, that’s intolerable, and it’s impossible to live with.


V: When Gretchen tells Charlie Rose that Walter White as she knew him is gone, I felt like maybe Walt decided in that moment that his former self is no more.

PG: That’s definitely one way to look at it that makes a lot of sense. The music really does lead you down a certain emotional path, and that’s all pretty intentional. I’ll tell you, though, one of the things that I had in mind was that a lot of this episode is about him trying to conjure up Heisenberg, and Heisenberg is just not there anymore. In my mind, Heinsenberg died when Hank did. So, for me, this episode is about him hitting bottom.


V: How did you decide to bring Gretchen and Elliott back, and also the principal Carmen Molina, who Walt once hit on unsuccessfully? Were there key episodes early on that you looked back on knowing you might want to revisit certain people?

PG: One of the things that Vince really instilled in us was to, instead of constantly introducing new things, look back at all the elements that we already have on the shelf. What can we mine from the things that we’ve already established? It’s one of the things that helps the show have a feeling of unity. People often ask if we’d planned everything in advance, and the truth is some of it is planned in great detail and some of it is a kind of improvisation, but everything is talked through an awful lot. With Gretchen and Elliott we always knew that we wanted to have them back. They were so key to Walt’s past that it only felt right that we would see them again. The scene we shot with Charlie Rose was actually the last piece that was ever shot for Breaking Bad. My daughter and I flew to New York; we got to shoot in the Charlie Rose studio. Adam Godley and Jessica Hecht are such expert performers that we were able to get it very beautifully and very quickly. I believe it’s also the only scene in Breaking Bad that was shot outside the state of New Mexico. As for Carmen, she’s gotten a promotion. She was vice-principal when Walt was still at the school. Now she’s got a bigger office. Believe it or not, that’s literally the detail we think about. We know she’s very capable. And it was so much fun to work with Carmen Serano again after all this time.


V: You mentioned in the show’s official podcast that the scene in which Walt attempts to bully Saul into helping him was “hard-fought” in the writers' room. What exactly was up for debate?

PG: The problem and the question on Breaking Bad is always “Where is Walt’s head at?” We had a lot of elements in this episode that we liked, but we didn’t understand the episode until we started really working on that particular scene. What is Walt doing down there? It took us quite a while, but we realized that Walt is still planning. We said, “Well, there’s nothing else for him to do,” and then we’d pitch “What if he did this?” “What if he did that?” and none of it made any sense. Then we had this stunning realization that Walt hadn’t come around to what we had: He didn’t understand that there was nothing else to do. So over the course of the episode we have Walt really starting to understand he’s reached a dead end, that he’s arrived in hell. We didn’t understand that until that moment with Saul. I mean, he was plotting! He was plotting to go in with mercenaries! It’s not gonna happen. He’s not Heisenberg anymore. He’s just a sick man and a fugitive from justice, and all he’s got left is a barrel full of money.


V: Did you find yourself pitying Walt in this episode in spite of everything that’s happened, especially in "Ozymandias"?

PG: The great thing about writing is that you always put yourself in the shoes of the character. If you’re doing it right, you can see into the heart of all your characters. Usually when there’s a writing problem, it’s because you aren’t doing that. From the beginning, I will cop to the fact that I have identified deeply with Walter White. It doesn’t mean I approve of him or think he’s done the right thing, but I feel that I understand what he’s done, step by step. The road to hell is step by step. Especially when a father writes a scene like the one where Walt is begging his son to take the money, really tearing himself open. Interesting sideline: Bryan did that scene, knocked it out of the park, and then the film was run over by an airplane. I kid you not. Our postproduction producer Diane Mercer still has the crushed film cans. We had pictures of film being brought into our labs in garbage bags. We had to go back and reshoot a portion of that scene. Bryan had to go through all that twice.


V: What about Saul’s helpful friend, Vacuum Guy, made you think of Robert Forster?

PG: We were thinking about Robert’s character in Jackie Brown, actually. He was a bail bondsman who could handle all these crazy, violent characters. He never took it for granted, but he kept his cool. There was a certain quality of professionalism and cool and smart, adult caution that he had, and we really thought it would be right for the character. It was a real challenge, too. Here we are in the penultimate episode of the show and we’re introducing this guy who we’ve never seen before, so it was really a heavy burden for Robert, but boy, I just loved, loved, loved those scenes between him and Bryan. Nothing can be lower than offering this guy $10,000 to stay for an hour.


V: There are so many funny things happening in the scene between Todd and Lydia at the café. What did the actors, Jesse Plemons and Laura Fraser, bring to it?

PG: Ninety-nine percent of what you see there is what the two of them prepared before they came on set. These are both really fine, detailed actors who do a lot of preparation. They had rehearsed it themselves, and I saw it. Sometimes as a director your smartest move is seeing what they’re doing and saying, “Great! Let’s film it!” Jesse added a couple of things. When we wrote it we didn’t picture Todd turning around as far as he did. He also added something else which I just loved, which hopefully people caught at the end of the scene: He plucks a single thread from the back of Lydia’s jacket. That is all Jesse Plemons. And I love the way Laura comes into the scene, ready to quit, and then her progression into greed. The dialogue was the same, but the meaning of it and the performance and the humor is those two.


V: People are pretty divided about where they want to see Walt end up: facing justice or going out on his own terms. Do you think the finale will satisfy both kinds of viewers?

PG: You can’t have everything happen that people want to have happen, but you can have the show be true to itself and have a rightness to it. I would never say that I think we’re gonna please everybody, but I think we pleased ourselves and we really felt like we hit the right ending for the work we’ve done over five seasons. I think the trick is not to change the game you’re playing while you’re playing it, not to start changing the rules. That was one of the things most difficult about the show, staying true to the intentions and rules set up pretty early on. I think fans, the real fans who’ve stuck by the show, will love it. The only thing that that would please absolutely everybody would be palatable to everybody. It would be bland. Breaking Bad isn’t bland.


V: Vince Gilligan has said he sees the ending as a victory for Walt. That he ends things on his own terms, and—

PG: (Laughs loudly.)


V: That’s what he said!

PG: Yes, yes …


V: Okay, but what about Jesse? Jesse has lost more than Walt at this point. What did you guys decide was an appropriate way to bring his story to a close? What did you want for him?

PG: Well, I would have loved for Jesse to have left for Alaska a long time ago. I wish he hadn’t figured out Walt had switched the ricin cigarette. He’s got a lot to think about. I’m really hoping for something good to happen to Jesse, but … boy, it’s hard to picture.


V: A question about the timeline: Walt's birthday is in September by our calculation, but when he's in that bar at the end of the episode, there's still snow outside in New Hampshire. When does the end of the episode take place? We had assumed summer.

PG: I hate to say it: I don't have a good answer for you. I've forgotten. When I was writing the script, I would have been able to tell you, but that was six months ago. I don't remember what month it is. I do remember we were thinking that it was toward the end of the winter there. Our justification for the snow was just the high altitude. That's how we justified it.


V: Finally, any special meaning behind the old college hockey game playing at the bar? Someone actually figured out which game it was.


PG: I'll be honest with you, we were excited to get hockey. I'm from New York. Some of the other writers are from Massachusetts. What's on the TV in New Hampshire? It's going to be hockey. Having said that, being able to show a hockey clip is not a straightforward thing. We were very fortunate that our postproduction co-producer Andrew Ortner was able to get in touch with somebody willing to let us use a clip for a very reasonable price because they were fans of the show. We were very, very lucky because any time you show anything like that you have to clear it, and sometimes there are issues. On the TV we also had something from the ShamWow guy; he sent a big box of ShamWows and Schtickys to the writers office. We were very excited about that. There's also a clip of The Mouse That Roars and The Lady From Shanghai.

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I just don't see Walt going to get Jesse, even though that's what I really want. That final scene of him watching TV... Shit I dunno, this is ridiculously great.

sopranos and six feet under w/out a doubt has been.

Seeing how emaciated Walt is at this point, I have to think the M-60 is going to have a nasty kickback if he intends to go Johnny Rambo with it.

* Walt will make contact with the Aryan gang (duh).

* Walt DOES NOT save Jesse. In fact, he tells the gang that he wants back in the business (assuming the gang doesn't know about the cancer). Todd will convince his uncle that Mr White's product is the best and they can make even more $$$ (and keep seeing Lydia).

* Walt won't be chained up like Jesse since Todd and Jack respects him. They kill Jesse since he is useless now. Walt will probably feel something but is sticking with his plan which is...

* Putting the ricin with some chemicals while he's in the lab, which blows up and/or poisons everyone in the compound. He'll use the gun to shoot anyone he sees during the chaos. He'll die eventually due to poisoning/bullet wounds, but he'll have a smile on his face. He'd also have left a lengthy confession of who he is and what he has done, from Gray Matter to Heisenberg. His name and legacy will be forever be remembered, for better or worse.

Shrug

thats very plausible

also on this point

>He'd also have left a lengthy confession of who he is and what he has done, from Gray Matter to Heisenberg. His name and legacy will be forever be remembered, for better or worse.

perhaps another fake confession:

my contribution to Grey Matter was seed money by way of drugs

>perhaps another fake confession:
>
>my contribution to Grey Matter was seed money by way of drugs
>

my one (semi)prediction

>my one (semi)prediction


Similar to how Lydia killed Declan to get better cook from Todd, I'm somewhat hoping or thinking Lydia will kill Todd and his crew to get Jesse since he is the sole person responsible for the better cook. Somehow, I think Todd telling Lydia Jesse is the source of the cook and not himself will prove to be a mistake. She can simply kidnap him and use him for her own devises rather than have to travel to New Mexico each and every time she needs cook.

Somewhat silly prediction, but I don't see any positives from Todd revealing that tidbit of info. I suppose the flaw in that theory is that Lydia doesn't have a crew of hitters to kill the Aryans.

he's such an honest young man

but good point in that, Lydia technically doesn't need Todd now that he gave up that info

Lydia is too damn scared to be anywhere near him or anyone else for that matter. she likes to be a few degrees removed from all of it. besides, Jesse isn't cooking for anyone else. i have a bad feeling he's going to off himself.

>Lydia is too damn scared to be anywhere near him or anyone
>else for that matter. she likes to be a few degrees removed
>from all of it. besides, Jesse isn't cooking for anyone else.
>i have a bad feeling he's going to off himself.

Good call on Lydia wanting to avoid any potential danger by avoiding Jesse since he's a known wanted and targeted man at this point.

i've never heard them play the BB opening theme during an episode before. it somehow made everything that much more epic, cos holy shit, its that fucking opening theme ive heard a million times before, but now its so much more badass. these mofos found a way to integrate something as short as the opening title theme into the show and have it make such an impact (on me, anyways).

to me it represented, as ppl have already said here, the Western element to it all. which makes Walt sort of the Marty McFly of the piece, constantly being called "chicken" by various Biffs, constantly meeting and overcoming a challenge but creating new problems, and always letting his ego get in the way. cept, ykno, not as adorable...with the murdering and whatnot.

i think it was a signifier of whats to come. i think post-Dennys/buying gun from boot of car, he's gonna pull off one last hail mary. Gretchen n them were the impetus he needed. dudes gonna just rot away into nothingness anyways, he might as well go out on his terms and try to reclaim his monies AND the Heisenberg name (which he has been promptly stripped of, his having no power over Saul was the first and most obvious indication that Heisenberg has left the building).

the whole "for my family" thing, which may've started off his true intention, truly fell by the wayside a long time ago, and is the reason Flynn goes off at him, cos it's all pretty much horseshit at this point (yes he was fully justified at cussing Walt out, cant BELIEVE sum of the shit i read in that GD thread). he didn't have to do ANY of the things he did "for his family". all he's ended up doing is completely obliterating not only his immediate family, but that of his sister-in-laws. leading to the death of his brother-in-law. turning Jesse into the walking dead making him go through more horrific shit than he would've as a regular junkie/low-level dealer. the man is a cancer on legs. he destroys, EVERYthing. i truly don't think there's any redemption left to seek for Walt. he's sunk to such a low that there is no ONE act to make anything right. he cant pass on the money he worked so hard to earn, he cant bring Hank and Gomie back from the dead. he cant undo all the harm thats befallen Jesse...but he CAN mount an offensive against the Nazis. he's not really justified in going after anyone else: he doesnt know Lydia's already made a move in regards to Skyler, he knows shes jumpy as hell but he hasnt even thought about her since he made the move to NH, the Grey Matter folks are in damage control trying to save their brand from its association with Walt, their redaction of Walt's involvement is less personal than it is political (even Walt would understand, despite that being the tipping point in reawakening some kinda vestiges of Heisenberg, but it's fuel to go deal with Todd and his peeps, not to off Gretchen and her hubby).

ykno one of the unexpected things i now have at the top of my "reasons why i hate that BB is ending" list? is freaking TODD. and Jesse Plemmons. this guy...is fucking fascinating as hell to watch. dude is damn-near unflappable. he could've easily become a main antagonist for a full season or two.

cant wait til the end.

V.

I'm watching the first season right now. whatever lies walt told himself, his true motivations for starting weren't for his family. it was to seize control of his own destiny.

the scene with the intervention is key. it's pretty clear walt feels completely disempowered, with zero control of his own life. meth is his chance to be exceptional, to be independent, to do things his way. the family stuff is the lie he told himself to make it all palatable, but at its heart it's pretty clearly will to power.

>I'm watching the first season right now. whatever lies walt
>told himself, his true motivations for starting weren't for
>his family. it was to seize control of his own destiny.
>
>the scene with the intervention is key. it's pretty clear
>walt feels completely disempowered, with zero control of his
>own life. meth is his chance to be exceptional, to be
>independent, to do things his way. the family stuff is the
>lie he told himself to make it all palatable, but at its heart
>it's pretty clearly will to power.


You are correct, but him cooking was also a way for him at first to acquire a good deal of cash so he could provide monetarily for his family. As the series went on, his hubris and hunger for power became his primary motivation, but his initial goal, along with funding his cancer treatments, was to squirrel away enough money to provide for his family since he assumed the cancer would kill him.

and skyler then can roll on lydia, i'm pretty sure we can still have a happy ending.

As the middleman and goes straight to cooking for the Czechs?

.

ALL MOBILE DEVICES/ELECTRONICS POWERED OFF.

YOU REALLY ARE MISSING A TON BY TRYING TO BE COOL ON TWITTER OR WHATEVER U GUYS ARE DOIN.

Like, why would you want to tweet about BB instead of watching it?

Theres no way you have those questions/opinions if you actually watched the episode.

Same shit happened in the S4 post, I'm not sure what show they were watching that season. People were just so comfortable being so wrong.

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...

That Walter White and Heisenberg are actually the same person

>That Walter White and Heisenberg are actually the same
>person

Which one was in the wheelchair again?

to watch, unless I find streams and yeah fuck that shit

Wasn't always this way, as recently as 2012 I was able to watch the show on the AMC East coast feed until that changed late last year THANKS A FUCKING LOT TIME WARNER CABLES

Because of that I literally stay away from the computer between the hours of 6pm and 10:30, no Facebook, no Twitters, no emails, no Instragrams, no porns, no nothing

It's boolshit but it's what I gotta do

When I first learned about the final episode being shown at Hollywood Forever Cemetery here in L.A, I was tempted to go for that very reason



Oh, and by the way, since you're a Michigander and Vince Gilligan is the best,

http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/vince-gilligandavid-shore-detective-drama-gets-series-order-at-cbs/#more-595964

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...

I'm shutting everything down at 2 PM just to be safe

The worst is if I can't watch the new episode for 3-4 days. I feel like I gotta hole up in a remote cabin somewhere in New Hampshire with a wood burning stove and 2 copies of Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium

Got to.

I'm sure there will be at least 200 more replies for that episode alone.

this one covers one and is near 500.

Almost like George Lucas' original pitch for the end of Return of the Jedi

I'm too lazy to link it here, but the idea is the same

Jesse = Luke Skywalker

in that scenario

The Reddit kids are also preoccupied with the word "woodworking," which is the hint Vince gave us on the last Talking Bad

And thus, there are predictions that Jesse will kill Walt and make him a coffin out of wood

I'm hoping they're joking

Anyway, all of this is eh and based on the fact that these will be the longest 74-79 hours most of us will ever experience

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But Zootown, black people and media, so...

The ricin and the machine gun are for walt's one true threat...Brock



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Same as it ever was!

V.

Lil man trynna come at the throne...


http://twitter.com/collazo

cool

>cool
+1

Here's the Breaking Bad cast being interviewed on Conan:

http://teamcoco.com/video/70558/full-episode-mon-9-23-the-cast-of-breaking-bad-and-musical-guests-los-cuates-de-sinaloa

That's about all I can say for now.

Give me another decade or two and I'll try and figure out if this was better than The Wire or not.