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Topic subjectI see their side of it, but I think they're all being short-sided.
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56089, I see their side of it, but I think they're all being short-sided.
Posted by spades, Mon Dec-06-10 06:31 PM
>one of nuck's problems is he doesn't know how to really
>respect the people who work for or with him...he sees them as
>idiots, or simply peices in his bigger chess game...the ONLY
>person on the show he hasn't said some slick shit to is
>Chalky, cause he actually respects him...
>
>...there is NO WAY i woulda had the manservant counting my
>million after the way nuck has treated the guy....no, fucking,
>way...the way nucky treats him, i'm surprised duke wasn't on a
>ship headed for europe,,, .Nucky trusts his people, but treats
>them like they are hinderances sometimes and THAT, is how Eli,
>Jimmy and The Commodore end up together...they all feel
>mistreated ....
>
>...but they expect too much from Nucky, so they're all
>wrong....The Commie is mad cause he feels like it should still
>be him in charge and Nucky screwed him...bullshit, dude's time
>was over and he leads a great life considering, and should be
>happy..(interestingly i JUST realized last night that the
>Commodore is a spin on what happened to the real life
>enoch}...Eli thinks he's ready for the big time, and Nucky
>doesn't respect him...he isn't and hasn't done anything to
>earn what he has...he wants "more" but barely knows how to
>handle what he has now...the fact Nucky gave him his job back
>and it clearly looked like he always planned to after the
>election shoulda made dude happy...AND he got a cut of that
>million, but didn't do anything to deserve it...Jimmy just
>needs to grow the hell up....he's problems with nuck are more
>understandible than the others cause he basically feels
>unloved by "father",,,it isn't about the "pimp" aspect cause i
>KNOW jimmy's ivy league ass had to have figured out how old
>his mom was when she was pregnant before now.... the fact that
>nuck was unapologetic about it all and never emotionally
>treated jimmy like a son pisses him off...but nucky could
>never have jimmy that emotionally close, his birth father
>woulda raised hell, and they all know it...jimmy still can't
>accept it all tho with the stuff going on at home, and wanting
>to stike at his enemies but nuck deciding the opposite, jimmy
>is using nuck as a scapegoat for his other problems...
>
>
>

point blank, Jimmy knows his mom is a ho, now he MIGHT think she could have turned out differently had she not been pimped out at 13, and he's probably right, to a degree. However, I think she ALWAYS had it in her. You see she ain't mad at The Commodore - I think what Jimmy's REALLY mad about is being kept in the dark for so long.

In regards to Eli, sibling rivalry, plain and simple. If he wasn't such a dumbass he'd see that w/out Nuck he'd be nothing. The fact that he has the job/power he does is testimony to how much Nucky loves him and is loyal to him.

The Commodore? Bitter Old-man, who by his own admission lives a GOOD life. He's been sick for awhile and had too much time to think about how things SHOULD have been. Had he not been being poisoned he probably wouldn't have any beef at all.

I HOPE that when Jimmy sobers up, he'll see this for the bullshit it is and talk to Nuck. Cause, as stated before, he don't want it w/Nuck.