up to that point, it's probably at the bottom of the list (i like electric circus, but i think i like finding forever a tad bit more), but it's still AT LEAST a good album. cats act like it shouldn't be listened to though. i understand the disappointment completely (esp since i think BE was a slightly better than great, but NOT classic album), but the outright hate this album gets is beyond me. i've seen tons of posts that treat finding forever like UMC.