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186594, i think eminem's verse on the bet cypher was better than bt's, ...
Posted by rick, Wed Nov-04-09 10:46 PM
meaning em and big pun (superlyrical) the only emcees to ever come off nicer than bt on a track.

what do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTGru5--4mk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdAIyC6hYc
186601, RE: i think eminem's verse on the bet cypher was better than bt's, ...
Posted by ReD POet, Thu Nov-05-09 01:37 PM
u crazy
186602, I would *almost agree
Posted by jesustrauss, Thu Nov-05-09 05:29 PM
Simply in terms of flow, maybe em would beat thought

but thought's content is much better... MUCH...
186603, really?
Posted by rick, Thu Nov-05-09 07:28 PM
thoughts verse (and by the way, i think that, in general, black thought is the most profound emcee ever) is pretty much just braggadocia right? do you just mean the sophistication of his words?

i mean he's not saying anything super profound in that verse specifically. not that eminem is either.

186608, Maybe I just don't want to hear about Em's dick
Posted by jesustrauss, Fri Nov-06-09 09:02 AM
I don't think the deeper content of either freestyle was too crazy, but whereas em can spit amazing rhythms, he uses short and unimpressive words. Thought, on the other hand, has an incredible vocabulary...

randomly, this reminded me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2biuT0ln-yQ...
wow...
186605, 1. Mos 2. Thought 3. Em
Posted by acidtabs, Thu Nov-05-09 08:54 PM

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186613, You can't give Mos #1
Posted by josephmurf2384, Fri Nov-06-09 04:52 PM
When he spit a verse he has been spitting for months. Nah man, i wasn't feeling that recylcled shit.
186616, sure you csn
Posted by HighVoltage, Fri Nov-06-09 11:42 PM
blsck thought has been doing that verse live for quite some time as well. no different than Mos
186620, For real
Posted by josephmurf2384, Sat Nov-07-09 11:24 PM
I've seen them a bunch and never remember hearing that, But your probably the one guy i would question about live roots that isn't in the band. I was just disappointed Mos spit something i have heard so much over the recent months.
186627, RE: For real
Posted by HighVoltage, Mon Nov-09-09 04:42 PM
http://www.itsallthewaylive.net/2009/06/black-thought-j-period-game-theory-new-verses-brooklyn-go-hard-bkhhf-6-20-09/

http://www.itsallthewaylive.net/2009/08/the-roots-the-robert-glasper-experiment-etc-the-roots-jam-highline-ballroom-nyc-7-8-09/
186629, Word
Posted by josephmurf2384, Tue Nov-10-09 10:11 AM
Thanks, Will check the vid when at home.
186610, he rhymed bomb with saddam. come on..
Posted by HighVoltage, Fri Nov-06-09 01:21 PM
a lot of times eminem is all flow...
186611, point tooken
Posted by rick, Fri Nov-06-09 03:13 PM
186618, All 3
Posted by makaveli, Sat Nov-07-09 06:59 PM
were good.

imo, thought was the best, em is a close second.
186622, no indeed he did not.
Posted by MistaGoodBar, Sat Nov-07-09 11:47 PM
186625, RE: no indeed he did not.
Posted by nyju221, Mon Nov-09-09 04:05 PM
Hu! Lol
186666, RE: i think eminem's verse on the bet cypher was better than bt's, ...
Posted by Ex-L, Fri Nov-13-09 10:54 PM
Em had a better flow and one or two hot lines but overall BT's was just more consistent

Em>BT though

just my .02
186671, Black Thought is a very poor rapper. He has lyrics, but his delivery sucks.
Posted by Yadgyu, Sat Nov-14-09 11:57 PM
Sorry.
186783, i dont think ems flow fit "funky drummer" at all
Posted by 15, Sun Nov-29-09 04:32 AM
186803, RE: i dont think ems flow fit "funky drummer" at all
Posted by daniemuse, Tue Dec-01-09 08:54 PM
that is true that thought definitely knows how to ride a beat - he connects with what's going on with the music.
186840, RE: i dont think ems flow fit "funky drummer" at all
Posted by Prezel, Sat Dec-05-09 08:00 AM
>that is true that thought definitely knows how to ride a beat
>- he connects with what's going on with the music.

Agreed. Em did have that hilarious punchline. Made me laugh out loud for real.
186866, crucial!!!
Posted by Zen_the_Jedi, Thu Dec-10-09 10:26 AM
Em definitely can flow his ass off.
However, sometimes you can flow your way right out of a beat....

That was always one of my beefs with Talib Kweli

I think Em went too hard on Funky Drummer.
But dont get me wrong, it was still dope, but I think Black took that.

ima watch it again just to be sure, but Black always seems to display a certain kinda mastery when it comes to cadence and flow.


peace
186868, you're high.
Posted by kinetic94761180, Thu Dec-10-09 10:45 AM
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186886, joe budden murked it
Posted by gwycliff, Sat Dec-12-09 07:44 PM
186912, BT flowed WAY better with the beat. And the superlyrical...
Posted by Raised under Reagan, Thu Dec-17-09 12:44 PM
thing; is smoke and mirrors, (RIP) Pun - once you get past the "illie billie silly" grade school vocabulary "over populated saliva gland". Mumble Jumble. Its sort of flat.

BT verse has more content and is timeless. You can take that verse and throw it on any joint the past decade.

IMO n/m
186927, RE: i think eminem's verse on the bet cypher was better than bt's, ...
Posted by openmike48, Sat Dec-19-09 05:52 PM
Gotta cosign that my friend. The Joe Budden verse was nice as well. But, I'm going to have to go with KRS-One as the overall for the cold drink. He was REALLY free-styling and the NIKE thing he did was genius.
186928, RE: i think eminem's verse on the bet cypher was better than bt's, ...
Posted by YouAreSleeping, Sat Dec-19-09 07:36 PM
Shouldn't be so suprising. Em is an incredible lyricist when he is motivated, and what greater motivation than to get in their with an emcee like Black Thought? I think its a toss up either way. This is what hip hop should be, when you have steel sharpening steel. I could only imagine the type of madness that could/would be coating our ears if Em had signed with Duck Down instead of Dre. Not that I am complaining about that decision, it makes sense. Come on though, imagine a Therapy remix with Sean P, Rock, Starang Wondah, AND FUCKING EMINEM! Wow, I need a moment!LOL
186933, RE: i think eminem's verse on the bet cypher was better than bt's, ...
Posted by thecomeup1512, Sun Dec-20-09 01:33 AM
Em is a beast, not to take anything from BT cause his ell too!
186948, RE: i think eminem's verse on the bet cypher was better than bt's, ...
Posted by RayneDrop, Tue Dec-22-09 04:08 PM
I agree entirely. Black Thought dropped a sick verse, but Em's was just something else. I know people who will disagree, but thats what taste is all about.