91700, LOL. I suspect you're just joking at this stage. Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Apr-20-08 08:36 PM
Because you can't be serious with this silly plea copping.
I mean, wow.
You usually on point up in here, but you seriously jumped the shark.
>I think Pulp Fiction is much better than Last Boy Scout in >it's inventiveness, dialogue, story, and acting. I think those >elements were all done at a high level in Pulp Fiction and >that's why it deserved an Oscar nod.
Inventiveness - What inventiveness? I thought a you said a lot of thought and sophistication didn't go into Pulp Fiction? That it was a simple cliche that was witty and fun? Nothing about it was inventive, or new, at all. It was a bunch of little tales allegedly "tied(lol)" together through the loose theme of "redemption(allegedly profound, when it was not even done well, or meaningful in any way)"
Dialogue - The only reason why people quote PF more than LBS is because its more popular, in part because of the false legend surrounding its goodness. The LBS was LOADED with great one-liners and exchanges. At least as good.
And its funny how people cop pleas using the dialogue argument: I've NEVER HEARD of a film being liked SOLELY FOR ITS DIALOGUE until 'Pulp Fiction'. The thing is, that argument is bullshit, because everyone knows that a dumbass movie with great dialogue is still a dumbass movie.
The reason people cop pleas with the dialogue is because they NEED TO INVENT A REASON TO TELL THEMSELVES THAT PF GOOD.
When they they get desperate, they resort to:
"Oh, the dialogue is sooooo, like, cool and shit, dude."
^^^Bullshit. Just doing what they have to not be left out of the dorm/office/coffee shop conversations.
Acting - Lol. Bruce Willis was better in The Last Boyscout than he was in Pulp Fiction. Much more range. Much more complicated a character who had to deal with more things. The difference is that The Last Boyscout was not hailed as "profound" by the arthouse crowd, and so no one noticed.
I mean, there's no fucking comparison.
None.
And Sam Jackson?
Lol.
Sam Jackson in JUNGLE FEVER(in VERY limited action)>>> >>>>Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction.
Hell, Sam Jackson in 'The Negotiator' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction.
AGAIN - The ONLY REASON PEOPLE HAIL that performance is because Pulp Fiction is SUPPOSED TO BE GREAT. Wasn't nothing significant about his performance.
What, a bunch of witty lines as a hitman?
Lol.
GFTOH, son.
That nigga was as convincing a crackhead as I've ever seen in 'Jungle Fever'. And I'm not saying you gotta be a tragic character to give a great performance.
He's been clever, and cool, and smart in other flicks too. Way more than in Pulp Fiction.
Lol.
>You claim I'm contradicting myself because of the Oscar >statement but I never said that a film had to be deep or >meaningful to earn Oscar nods.
>I think great popcorn flicks >are worthy of Oscars as well.
Oh, so 'Pulp Fiction' is a "popcorn flick?"
Lol.
So why then aren't other B-movie "popcorn flicks" REGULARLY nominated(remember the 'My Cousin Vinny' uproar?)?
You wanna know why?
Because the Academy DID NOT NOMINATE PULP FICTION BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GODDAMN POPCORN MOVIE.
They nominated it because it was SUPPOSED TO BE "GREAT" AND "PROFOUND" and all the bullshit.
Fight it all you want to, but its true.
>Maybe you think a film needs to >have some deep symbolism or make a statement to be great but I >think that's pretty pretentious.
Lol.
No, I find it odd that allegedly B-movies and regular popcorn flicks can be nominated, yet few in history ever have.
I mean, 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' had some good acting.
So did '16 Candles'.
Hell, so did 'Friday Night Lights'
Shit, 'Bruce Almighty' was clever as fuck.
I mean, exactly what the fuck are you missing here?
All of the above were comedies and b-movies.
All of the above had good performances.
None of the above were hailed like 'Pulp Fiction' was.
You wanna know why?
BECAUSE THE GODDAMN ACADEMY does NOT think that 'Pulp Fiction' is in the same LEAGUE or GENRE as these movies...it does NOT consider 'Pulp Fiction' to be a "popcorn movie" or a B-movie. The academy, and the majority of the film critic crowd, considers it much, much, much, much, much, more, which is why motherfuckers cross examine Pulp Fiction like they do.
You don't see niggas doing that with 'Teen Wolf', even though they are both, in your words, "Popcorn flicks('Teen Wolf' a far superior one, of course)
>In fact, the only evidence you've given to not liking the film >is because of fanboys and because it had a lasting impression >on film. So if anything, you are the one forming opinions >based on what other people say rather than your own opinion.
Oh, no.
I think its a silly, irrelevant movie.
But I think pretentious dickheads like Tarantino make it difficult for SOLID, STRONG, STORYTELLERS to get their shine on, which is a practical concern.
I mean, I'm not even in the art industry. I'm a fan.
I'm just saying that I can sniff out and call bullshit when I see it.
And the legend surrounding 'Pulp Fiction' is just that:
Some bullshit.
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