I no longer live in the U.S., so I am pretty amazed it came out here in Geneva before the U.S., but I'm definitely not complaining. Damn, I really enjoyed it! The film was busy as fuck so there are some areas that feel rushed and a little camp. But surprisingly nowhere near as much as I expected. There was so much to juggle in this movie. I can't believe they pulled it off so well. There were several moments where damned near everyone in the theatre was smiling from ear to ear. Some of the coolest shit that I've seen in any action film period. As is the case with the previous two, this movie is one of few that transcends being just another comic book movie. This should practically erase Ghost Rider from most people's minds. I really only have one major complaint with the film. But I want to refrain from speaking on that until after a few folks have seen it.

Anyway, check it out. I think the majority of folks that dug the first two, will be very pleased. I'd even say the majority of those that read the comics will be pleased overall, but I know there will be a fair share that will say otherwise.
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Brace yourselves. I know what he is to Marvel and Spiderman, but dayum! Its even more annoying than a lot of the more recent Michael G. Wilson cameos in the Bond films.
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Hell, Bruce Campbell's cameos in the first two were better (was it really a cameo in the first one?).



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i saw it coming a mile away...

he's in EVERY marvel flick...exept the blades

I didn't find his cameo to be *that* egregious

Bruce Campbell's either
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They say that a hero can save us
I'm not gonna stand here and wait

where was he?

He was the maitre'd at the French restaurant (the scene where Peter's planned MJ proposal failed)

It was a pretty long "cameo"

And he got a credit

So technically, it's not a "cameo"

More like a special appearance
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They say that a hero can save us
I'm not gonna stand here and wait

I'm blind

its no big deal that he is in the movie. as far as i'm concerned, it should be his right if he wants. it just rang like a "one to grow on" segment. if anything, they should have put more thought into coming up with a great cameo for him. the other cameos he's done were much better.

bruce campbell's was entertaining.
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ferrigno...matt murdock stopped him from getting run over....

i just don't see how we are upset about ..a cameo..by stan lee. especially since he's not gonna be with us too much longer.

and bruce's should be better...he's a actor....stan is not

"You know, I left a ticket for Bill Buckner for this, but he couldn't bend over to pick it up. How 'bout it?"
-Pete Rose at Wrestlemania 14 in Boston.

in the long run, wasn't a big deal. when i mentioned it, it was just a word of caution for those that were already sure to nitpick over the movie (which i enjoyed overall). in my later posts, i was just saying that his others were done better regardless of how brief they were. he's got every right ot be in the movies. i just expected sam raimi to incorporate something better. perhaps my wording was a bit harsh saying it was annoying.
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sometimes it got a bit too dramatic with the MJ shit but its whatever
i saw venom fuck a MJ

I think they could have worked a little harder on Venom's design only real noticeable in a few close-ups. But the involvement of Venom was definitely dope. Raimi had an interesting challenge of incorporating a relatively new villain like Venom, and an older one like Sandman. Spiderman has so many generations of fans, and to incorporate both old and new surprisingly well was a surprise.

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VENOM FUCKS MJ? I'm so there.

It's just a matter of time before some jerk comes in here and spills the beans...We don't need any spoilers or hints of a spoiler

Im not clicking this post again till Friday. LOL

Even though the audience geeked out on a few occasions, aint nothin like seeing a big movie like Spiderman 3 on opening night in the States.
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Seems pretty simple.

"You know, I left a ticket for Bill Buckner for this, but he couldn't bend over to pick it up. How 'bout it?"
-Pete Rose at Wrestlemania 14 in Boston.

Hahaha . . . j/k


Well i didnt like Spiderman 1 and 2, so yeah i prolly aint gon mess with this one.

I don't know how that plays out

One full song.
1/10 of another.
1/4 of another.

leading up to the midnight showing?
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Can you believe it?

midnight, yeah...

and some of the acting is some of the shittiest i've seen. but anyway decent film and some of the fight scenes are wicked. i just wish Spidey woulda stayed bad and started robbing banks and shit...


PEACE

the Regal Cinema at Atlantic Station in ATL is showing it 24 hours straight. You could show up to the theater today at 4:15AM and catch this flick if you chose to do so. The amount of money this thing is about to make is gonna be obscene.....



I finally joined the crowd: http://www.myspace.com/kc2atl - Add me, I need some friends.....

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- Probably the worst acting in the series. Like, "Star Wars: Episode III" bad.

- So a grenade will leave a scar on one man's face but cause another man to explode? Alright, then. Carry on...

- Thomas Hayden-Church did a good job. I'm glad he made the decision to cut 70% of his dialouge, though. He managed to tell more with his face and body than he could have with the hokey dialouge they gave the characters.

- Peter's "Black Suit" scenes were hi-larious.

- The CGI looked great, especially when Sandman is first "revealed".

- Topher Grace was awesome on his own terms, but not as Venom, IMO.

- Nice Bruce Campbell cameo, although I was hoping he would be Mysterio (don't ask, I heard rumors).

- You can tell Sam Raimi's heart just may not be in the franchise anymore. The film was alright, but it's certainly a departure from the first two. Not "X3" bad, it's a good popcorn film, but maybe not a worthy entry in the franchise. 3/5, maybe 3.5/5 I guess.

- Oh, and I want to smash J. Jonah Jameson's assistant. God damn.

>- Probably the worst acting in the series. Like, "Star Wars:
>Episode III" bad.

i agree with this for a few scenes, but not the whole movie.

>- So a grenade will leave a scar on one man's face but cause
>another man to explode? Alright, then. Carry on...

uhmmm consider the composition of the one who exploded, which perfectly explains why, not to mention the changes made to the one who didnt explode, as he showed some mutant-like characteristics

>- Thomas Hayden-Church did a good job. I'm glad he made the
>decision to cut 70% of his dialouge, though. He managed to
>tell more with his face and body than he could have with the
>hokey dialouge they gave the characters.

agreed.

>- Peter's "Black Suit" scenes were hi-larious.

yeah, but to me they took away from the movie- a lot.

>- Topher Grace was awesome on his own terms, but not as Venom,
>IMO.

i'
>- You can tell Sam Raimi's heart just may not be in the
>franchise anymore. The film was alright, but it's certainly a
>departure from the first two. Not "X3" bad, it's a good
>popcorn film, but maybe not a worthy entry in the franchise.
>3/5, maybe 3.5/5 I guess.

not a "worthy" entry? considering how high the bar was initially set, then raised, this makes some sense... but for all its flaws, it does a great job on several fronts, tying up a few loose ends and bringing many things full circle. story/acting wise its obviously the third in the series..but lets be clear- this is (as you said) no x-3, and giving it a 3.5 of 5 warrants "worthy", wouldnt you say? i more or less go for 8/10, personally. the last 1/4 brought up the curve by leaps and bounds for me.

>- Oh, and I want to smash J. Jonah Jameson's assistant. God
>damn.

*jeezy voice* yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaah

i pretty much agree with homie's view of this movie overall

here's how i took it without TRYING to spill too much...

the lead characters were great as usual...i always love the fact that tobey macguire kept the peter parker character in its truest form in all three films, and that's being the ultimate nerd/geek...even while possessed from the suit, he still effectively came off as a fuckin' nerd of all nerds....

the best "villian" was ironically the new goblin, and james franco's performance overall was great as well...

the BIGGEST disappointment, yet i sorta expected to be a disappointment, but hoped that somehow he will deliver was tropher grace, ESPECIALLY when he was venom, he DID NOT play a convincing venom at all..even though i DID like the suit, somewhut

i remember sam raimi admitting to say he never really cared for vemon and it was NEVER his intention to have him in ANY spiderman movies, but did anyway because of the demand of the fans, and you can tell thru this movie that it was sorta a forced situation, even though the storyline was PROBABLY the most authentic to the actual comic book (with the exception of how it end, it DID end somewhut similar, but with eddie brock incarcerated & forever trapped with the suit)

the special effects for the SANDMAN was AMAZING, but the storyline was shitty as fuck! and how that ENDED was shitty as hell, as if they wanted to rush that conclusion which really wasn't a complete conclusion.....

also the fight scene were dope, but TOO short which i dunno if that was a good thing or a bad thing, because it somewhut left me wanting to see more...

i think, really, the BIGGEST flaw about this movie was that there was TOO much going on...too many villians all at once, which made most of the storylines feel rushed and incomplete with the exception original storyline that threaded thru the entire trilogy of the triangle between harry, peter, and mary jane....

i dunno the reason BEHIND being so much is so that can conclude this in being a trilogy without anymore spiderman movies, or because they wanted to go over-the-top with it...but truthfully it was too much...


but it's still overall a great movie

i think they tried to tie off as much as they could just in case they don't go further with this. everyone is saying something different as to whether or not they will do more.

so i agree with what you said about where some of the weakest points occurred in the movie. certain parts seemed rushed. certain parts had terrible acting, while other moments i thought rang really true to the characters. i thought they really nailed the symbiote's influence on peter parker, but wasn't entirely impressed with the design of venom. nor was i impressed with topher once he merged with the symbiote. he was better before they joined (as much as you can say for topher grace anyways).

its funny that so many people wanted to see venom. though i love the character in the comics, and in the cartoons, i think the character is less interesting on film. i thought so from the beginning. whereas the older characters such as dr. octopus and sandman are perhaps less impressive in the comics and cartoons, but more interesting on film.

i'd give it a 8/10.
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i give it that same rating...with the issue with venom is that i feel that we didn't have enough TIME to really get into that character...

the venom story should of been a SEPARATE feature....that's the reason we why doc ock and both green goblins worked so well because there was a full progressive character build-up...

with eddie brock & alien symbiote, all we got was the basic run-down which was brock was pissed because peter got him fired and ruined his career & the symbiote being a parasite looking for a partner

had this been a full feature on venom, then we would of understood the progression of obsession to destroy spiderman, in the same way that build-up was with harry osbourne...and also alot of MORE info as to why eddie was so connected with the suit once it left him....

plus the fighting was too limited as well because of so much additional plots in the movie...i mean, the WAY spiderman move and fight is ALWAYS exciting to me on film...and to think you have somebody that's equal to you but with more muscular strength....that battle between the two should of been epic...

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>- Nice Bruce Campbell cameo, although I was hoping he would be
>Mysterio (don't ask, I heard rumors).

I knew about that, rottentomatoes.com is cool

>
>- You can tell Sam Raimi's heart just may not be in the
>franchise anymore. The film was alright, but it's certainly a
>departure from the first two. Not "X3" bad, it's a good
>popcorn film,

In my opinion X3 WAS a cool pop-corn flick. Despite having Brett "Rush Hour" Rat on it, I thought it was actually a fairly capable film. I mean, I understand how pissed some might be cause ole Prof X got nixed by Phoenix and Juggernaut was treated like a mutant(ie: running into wall only to get knocked out cold). Plus the whole slightly more cartoonish feel to it..still I thought it was entertaining as a MOVIE, not a full-on Sin City. I felt it was nothing approaching Oscar-worthy nor was it approaching Electra-depths.

I didnt think many others thought much different on these boards.. am I worng??? ANyone else agree wit me??



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anyways..

I'll get more in depth after the masses see it

If you read the original comics (and if so, you're as old as me), you may feel a bit short changed. There's no way to follow that storyline, but you have to think there could have been a slightly better compromise than that. As it stood, there was no real way to convey the danger Venom posed to Spidey. And that's a crap way to go out, too (but at least it looked good). I'm also not sold on how GG should have been handled either. He menaced Pete for years, behind the mask and in their personal life. But again, no way to do that in 2:20. The strange thing is even with the runtime, there are more than a few parts that seemed rushed. Trimming some storylines and extending others would have helped. Hell, leaving Venom out completely may have helped, but no way that was going to happen. The masses would have had a fit.

However,

As a movie, it was pretty damn good. They developed Sandman perfectly. What limited time they used for Harry played out pretty well. Lots of nice touches to some scenes in the comic books (the shirt, the church bell). If looked at it from a personality standpoint (power corrupting, revenge is bad, friends and family, etc) how they handled the suit was pretty decent. The 'black suit' Pete was funny as shit, but could have been trimmed. J.K. stole every scene he was in, and Bruce's cameo was well worth it (I am French!). Damn near every role Topher is in he plays Eric Foreman, which is fine by me. The action sequences were fantastic and should look even better in IMAX (although I could have used better lighting in the first one). I wasn't as mad at the acting because this is a comic book brought to the screen, and what is a comic book without crappy dialogue and bad 'acting'? So in that light, it played out OK.

In all, great summer movie and good for the series. Not so great for the comic fan storywise, but good nonetheless.

well actually, the vemon story SORTA did go off the original comic storyline....it wasn't COMPLETELY accurate, but rarely a comic-based movie ever is (unless you're doing a frank miller flick).

but eddie brock DID have beef with peter parker, because peter parker exposed him as a fraud, exactly like it was in the movie...brock DID knew peter's identity through the alien suit as well as they DID show vemon being the superior one and the only way spiderman to win was pretty much exactly whut he did in the movie...as well as how he got rid of the suit in the 1st place...

so the vemon story was PRETTY well accurate, with the exception for the absolute end.

whut i was disappoint with was that there wasn't enough fighting between them, mainly because everything was so crunched together...so that's why people wouldn't GET the full detailed understanding of the obsessiveness of both brock & the suit against peter parker & spiderman...it was the SAME type of obsessiveness as harry's, but it TOOK damn near TWO movies to reached that point of understanding the length to harry's obsession to destroying spiderman...had vemon had some REASONABLE time on screen to build up that obsession to destroy spiderman...we could understand it and vibe with it better

>but eddie brock DID have beef with peter parker, because peter
>parker exposed him as a fraud, exactly like it was in the
>movie...brock DID knew peter's identity through the alien suit
>as well as they DID show vemon being the superior one and the
>only way spiderman to win was pretty much exactly whut he did
>in the movie...as well as how he got rid of the suit in the
>1st place...
>
>so the vemon story was PRETTY well accurate, with the
>exception for the absolute end.

No way to redo Secret Wars. So use a quick entrance for the simbiote to get to the earth. Eh. The exposure was correct, but if memory served, it was Spidey, not Pete, that exposed Brock, so his hate was directed at Spiderman primarily. In the movie, Brock actually sees Pete and the suit. And it was Richards, not Connors, that figures out what's with the symbiote. Considering there is a FF4 movie, it could have been done.



>whut i was disappoint with was that there wasn't enough
>fighting between them, mainly because everything was so
>crunched together...so that's why people wouldn't GET the full
>detailed understanding of the obsessiveness of both brock &
>the suit against peter parker & spiderman...it was the SAME
>type of obsessiveness as harry's, but it TOOK damn near TWO
>movies to reached that point of understanding the length to
>harry's obsession to destroying spiderman...had vemon had some
>REASONABLE time on screen to build up that obsession to
>destroy spiderman...we could understand it and vibe with it
>better

There was NO time to establish the bond between the symbiote, Pete and Brock. No way there could have been, unless you drop the whole Sandman storyline (or make the movie twice as long). Even then, Venom's desire to try to help the 'innocents', as often shown in the comics, wouldnt have worked either in a 2 hour movie.

It's impossibe to wrap years of storyline in 2 hours, so it's to be expected.

like is said, it NOT COMPLETELY accurate, but parker or spiderman the point was parker exposed brock as a fraud and ruined his career..that did happen in the comic book, regardless if it was as the role of spiderman or not...that's a bit TOO nitpicky because that's not a drastic change...it's like complaining to the MOVIE version of the origin of spiderman not being accurate (which it wasn't)..you see whut i'm saying?

pretty much whut i was saying the PREMISE of the origin was accurate...parker did get rid of the symbiote by accidently hitting the large cathedral bell...it the symbiote DID find its alternative host with brock which both of them shared the common goal of revenge on spiderman...

eddie brock career WAS ruined thru parker (regardless if he was or wasn't spiderman) due to parker/spiderman exposing him as a fruad

and the way spiderman outsmarted venom was similar to the comic as well....

but i agree, which i did mention had venom had time...there should of been a full separate feature about this

True enough. There was enough to appease the masses and the comic guys, to a lesser extent. Like I said, there would be no way to run it to the letter of the comic, but there were nods to the comic that I was glad to see.

>And it was
>Richards, not Connors, that figures out what's with the
>symbiote. Considering there is a FF4 movie, it could have been
>done.

FF is Fox. Spiderman is Sony/Columbia. The property rights are owned by two different studios. Which is also why you'll never see a Spidey/Kingpin movie.

>No way to redo Secret Wars.

And to speak on this.... that whole thing was retconned anyway. I just don't understand why they didn't go with the new version of that. They established JJJ's kid in the last flick. Why not have him bring the symbiote back from space? Seems silly.

I don't care about shit like that though. It's very trivial details to lose any sleep over or to not like a film because of.

-- Nate

I caught a midnight showing, and I was happy. I especially liked the scenes between Pete and MJ and Peter and Harry. It seemed like Tobey Maguire actually learned how to convey emotions. I never really bought his sad or angry scenes before this one. The interacton between Peter and Harry was also good, in my humble opinion. Topher was awesome in the pre-Venom scenes, so-so in the scenes after he becomes Venom. I liked it, though. I was thoroughly pleased, and plan to see it again.

There was really no point in having that guy in there besides the fact that Raimi is more partial to the old school villians than the newer crop. Raimi does well developing Peter and Harry throughout the film, and even shows Brock's mental/emotional corruption leading up to his transformation to Venom. But Sandman stays one dimensional the whole time and Thomas Hayden Church was only in like 5 scenes. A waste of a paycheck and CGI money that could have been spent on something else. He could have given Peter another reason for wanting revenge, like something happening to Aunt May, to push the symbiote story along. Whether Raimi wants to admit it or not, he made a Venom movie and should have just embraced that. Introduce Venom earlier and make him exponentially stronger so Peter still needs Harry's help, then you have a tighter story and a flick more on par with the first two. Or Raimi could have taken Sandman and developed him more as a character. Either way, Spidey 3 got a lot closer to the 90's Batman franchise territory than I was comfortable with.

All in all, I did enjoy it, especially the symbiote Spidey/Peter moments. I was so happy when he finally popped MJ in the face and I was rolling when he punked Harry. Speaking of the Harry shit, he was absolutely diabolical with his schemes once he got his memory back! That 'I'm fucking your broad' smile once Pete crossed the street was priceless. Cold bloooodeeed!

i think the 3rd installment was MENT to be sandman as the LEAD villian, but the demand for venom was so large that his part of his story was cut in half

because from whut i gather, his main purpose was that he was a common theif but with a purpose to get enough money so his daughter can have the neccessary medical treatment that she needed, and ORIGINALLY they was going to build upon that, but it was one of those side plots that got deleted due to the addition of venom

- the bad acting was great because it was done in such a camp style...besides, it's a comic-book movie about a guy with spider powers

- still a little long for my tastes. it didn't drag on nearly as much as 2, but I don't think any comic-book movie should go past two hours

- the Sandman scenes were some of the most impressive CGI I've seen in a very long time

- the Parker/MJ love dynamic came off a lot better than in 2

- the movie probably would have been better if it just focused on Venom and tied up the Hobgoblin quicker

I thought it was just me but 2 was mad boring to me. I actually fll asleep on 2....lol.

all the "love" scenes in 2 were some of the most painful minutes of dialogue I've witnessed in a theater

I had people tell me "But... but the dialogue was so BAD!"

Go rent Citizen Kane or something. I'm here to see giant sand creatures and evil symbiotes pummel spidermen.

That being said, I wished that the Venom storyline would have carried on to a whole movie by itself.....

>I had people tell me "But... but the dialogue was so BAD!"
>
>Go rent Citizen Kane or something. I'm here to see giant sand
>creatures and evil symbiotes pummel spidermen.


YALL DO THAT DUMBASS SHIT WHENEVER a movie y'all
BADLY WANT TO BE GOOD FUCKING SUCKS!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Its just a fun movie"

"yall taking it too serious"

"Yall need to lighten up"


"NOPE" (C) Bags

If the shit is WACK ITS FUCKING WACK!!!!

STOP COPPING PLEEAAASEE


HAHAHAHAHA

Thast what y'all do for Kill Bill ALL THE FUCKING
TIME!!!

"Its just a fun action flick."

"It was fun to look out"

MOTHERFUCKA, so is PORN. That don't make
the shit a GOOD MOVIE


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wow. i still post on message boards. lol.

I don't like the way people tear at Spiderman 3 like it's total garbage when it's not. Some folks have been acting like Sam Raimi fucked their momma, and I think you've agreed with me on this. You can still get PLEASURE out of a movie like this, or Transformers, or any other flick like that, even if the story ain't good. Does that make it a good movie? Not at all, and it doesn't excuse the filmmakers either. But this film delivered some terrific CGI and action sequences, which makes it far from a total waste of time.

There will be many summer movies worse than this, including I bet at least one very hyped expensive one. They kinda dropped the ball in storytelling and dialogue, but they never set the bar too high, so I kinda knew going in what I was gonna see. That doesn't make it less excusable, but it does mean that there is SOMETHING redeemable within the course of this film.

The people that hate this movie act like it's on Catwoman's level or some shit. Raimi is a master at staging an action sequence, and he makes sure his CGI is spot on. We can fault the movie for many things, but it wasn't garbage or a disaster or what some of the people who passionately ride against the movie have been saying.

Bad storytelling? Yes. Bad acting? Yes, in places. Bad dialogue? You bet (anything in all three films with May and Ben have been terrible). But irredeemably bad movie? Not at all.

So chill with the whole "yeah it sucked, but it has some
entertainment value."

I personally got pleasure out of 'Faces of Death'.

Okay, no I didn't, but I'm sure someone did.


My point is, you can get "Pleasure" out of lots of shit.

At some point, you have to have the BALLS TO SAY
someshit is PURE FUCKING TRASH.

>I don't like the way people tear at Spiderman 3 like it's
>total garbage when it's not. Some folks have been acting like
>Sam Raimi fucked their momma, and I think you've agreed with
>me on this. You can still get PLEASURE out of a movie like
>this, or Transformers, or any other flick like that, even if
>the story ain't good. Does that make it a good movie? Not at
>all, and it doesn't excuse the filmmakers either. But this
>film delivered some terrific CGI and action sequences, which
>makes it far from a total waste of time.

Read above about porn on mute.

It is "entertaining" to some degree.

>There will be many summer movies worse than this, including I
>bet at least one very hyped expensive one. They kinda dropped
>the ball in storytelling and dialogue, but they never set the
>bar too high, so I kinda knew going in what I was gonna see.
>That doesn't make it less excusable, but it does mean that
>there is SOMETHING redeemable within the course of this film.

This flick costed 200 million bones.

I ain't finna make excuses for its suckiness.

It had EVERYTHING at its disposal.

Captive audience.

Huge budget.

Good cast.

I mean, the shit just sucked.

>The people that hate this movie act like it's on Catwoman's
>level or some shit. Raimi is a master at staging an action
>sequence, and he makes sure his CGI is spot on. We can fault
>the movie for many things, but it wasn't garbage or a disaster
>or what some of the people who passionately ride against the
>movie have been saying.

Porn.

Porn.

Porn.


On


MUTE.


>Bad storytelling? Yes. Bad acting? Yes, in places. Bad
>dialogue? You bet (anything in all three films with May and
>Ben have been terrible). But irredeemably bad movie? Not at
>all.


Porn.

You can say the same shit for PORN.





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-but the sandman scenes were pretty good. he got to be a little too big tho.

-wow seriously no explanation of the comet/sapce suit.

-i wanted more venom cgi.

-i thought james franco was actually good this time around. especially when he had amnesia.

-team up? really?

-the whole bangs=bad spidey was um a lil gay.

-the smooth dancing petere parker was gay too

-ran long

-eh

LOOOOVED it. It was far from perfect. A lil too Emo for my taste. (At some point in the movie just about every main and side character has a scene where they cry. With the exception of JJ) And the ending left a lil to be desired. However the action scenes were on point. The special FX were crazy. Evil Spidey was a bad @$$! Like I said far from perfect. But still IMHO the best of the 3. Cant wait to see it again.

It was a lil bit bit on the lovey dovey side but I enjoyed the film. Peter in the blacksuit and evil Harry was funny as shit.

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Enjoyable, but I thought there was too much of the "Dark Spidey" stuff

(and btw, it's interesting that Spidey/Peter got some "soul" when he "went black"... the odd thing was, I didn't feel like anything he did was "bad"... he just got snarkier and asserted himself more... oh, and he did appear to murder someone, but beside that...)

The shift to Venom came too late in the movie for anyone to really care about him as a threat

This movie was plotted out within an inch of its life, and that was the problem, there was too much of it. The original idea Raimi had was to shoot two movies, and it looks like he tried to stuff as much of the plot of both films into this one

The performances and hokey "cornpone" dialogue were right in line with the first two movies, I don't know how anyone could have expected much of an improvement

And maybe it was the blown up IMAX image, but I've never been so amused by so many overacting-ass extras in my life

That said, I did like Thomas Haden Church's performance, and Topher Grace as well, even though they didn't have much to work with (Church especially)

It felt like Bryce Dallas Howard was wasted

And I certainly liked James Franco better both times he was a heel than the two times he turned babyface

And as O_E has pointed out, Kirsten Dunst isn't that attractive, so when she "dumped" Peter, I didn't really feel bad

Had they started the Venom storyline earlier, instead of farting around with Dark Spidey walking like John Travolta down the street and talking like a hepcat, daddio, I would have enjoyed the movie more

Yeah, fine, the Dark Spidey stuff was fun, but if you're going to have 3 villains, it didn't make much sense to me to add a 4th villain, that being Spidey's Conflicted Inner Identity

Like, who cares at this point

They could have lost all of that and had the black goo invade Eddie early on instead of having it jump on the back of Peter's moped, disappear for 20 minutes, then show up again at Peter's crib after MJ leaves

You could still keep the "Peter wants to propose to MJ but she's jealous and going through a slump" storyline, but we would have gotten to Venom faster, which would have made things more interesting to me

I still dug the movie, but not as much as I would have had they cut back on (or cut out) the "Dark (K)night of The Spiderman" stuff

And it was awesome in 70MM IMAX

Shouts out to the Sony employees that were in the house (including the cute chocolate one I sat next to), being good worker bees by inflating the weekend b.o. numbers*





*(that's a joke, btw, not a serious or accurate accusation)


Also, as a side note, I still like that "Hero" song from the first Spider-Man
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> The shift to Venom came too late in the movie for anyone to really care about him as a threat

Exactly.

Some of the fluff coulda really been done away with esp considering there were 3 villains.....I found myself actually checking the time a couple times, it did drag at times.

I didnt mind the lead acting, I went in hating Topher as Venom and even though he still didnt really fit while in the suit, he did a decent job esp as Brock, the photographer. However, as others ahve mentioned, I wish they woulda actually brought Venom out earlier so you can see more of him and not just feel like a tack-on villain for the finale of the movie.

Sandman was perfectly portrayed and played out imo. The CGI was just too damn impressive.....did any other Naruto fans imagine that's exactly what Gaara's effects in CGI should look like? lol.

The soulful/emo Parker with the Venom suit on just killed me....the haircut, seeing Tobey playing that part, the dancing to the jazz, lmao.

I thought Kirsten and Franco gave their best performances of the series. Both played their parts very well, and Franco on the assholish-tip was just excellent(that part @ the cafe when he really does Tobey dirty? And then just looks back at him and smiles....that was just fucking perfect lol).

The action sequences were the best yet, but that was expected.

The only critiques I have are the previously mentioned fluff(you dont need that much dancing and shit) which coulda cut down the movie, and also the shots of the crowd and the one-liners from the crowd were just fucking terrible lol(esp the one near the end with the two kids....that was wicked cool! WTF, why?)

Worth my matinee admission.

> the haircut

Making his hair black was weak as fuck yo. I just buried my hands in my face and shook my head.

> and Franco on the assholish-tip was just excellent(that part @ the cafe when he really does Tobey dirty? And then just looks back at him and smiles....that was just fucking perfect lol).


Best part of the movie IMO.

>and the
>one-liners from the crowd were just fucking terrible lol(esp
>the one near the end with the two kids....that was wicked
>cool! WTF, why?)
>



and so was the little girl with the camera...

What I Liked:

* Tobey Maguire still has Peter Parker down
* This was the first Spidey movie that I liked James Franco in
* Thomas Hayden Church was great as Sandman
* Venom looked more like Todd McFarlane's version than I expected
* The action sequences were great as always. Raimi knows how to kick Spidey's ass and make it look good
* J.K. Simmons owns J. Jonah Jameson
* Topher Grace, pre-Venom, was probably the best person in the movie
* The scenes with dark Peter were pretty funny until it went over the top
* I won't deny that I smiled at the Green Goblin/Spider-Man team-up at the end

What I Didn't Like:

* Explain to me why Bryce Dallas Howard wasn't cast as Mary Jane and Kirsten "Snaggletooth" Dunst was?
* So the movie is chugging along and I'm wondering why everyone is whining about this movie and then it happens...the movie suddenly comes to a grinding halt. From the moment MJ and Harry kiss (the crowd actually booed) til Peter rips off the suit, except for a couple of moments (Peter vs. Harry in his apartment & the aforementioned funny dark Peter), the movie essentially stands still.
* I'm getting tired of Aunt May's speeches
* Who told Kirsten Dunst she should sing multiple times in the movie?
* The constant crowd NYC crowd shots with random kid ab libs get more and more annoying with each one. At this point, they are just poorly staged.
* Venom and Sandman weren't developed enough. Venom particularly seemed sort of tacked on.
* Spider-Man let a criminal get away at the end.
* The 15 minute cryfest at the end. I thought I was watching the end of The Return of the King.

All and all, it wasn't bad but we could have done without this one being made.

God help them if they try to make Spider-Man 4.

> * Explain to me why Bryce Dallas Howard wasn't cast as
>Mary Jane and Kirsten "Snaggletooth" Dunst was?

> * The action sequences were great as always. Raimi knows how to kick Spidey's ass and make it look good

I can agree with that. When Spiderman was getting beat up, it did look good.

> * J.K. Simmons owns J. Jonah Jameson

Yep.

> * Topher Grace, pre-Venom, was probably the best person in the movie

I agree.

> * The scenes with dark Peter were pretty funny until it went over the top

It was over the top when he hit MJ and the whole dancing at the jazz club should've not happened. That whole being the funny dark Spiderman went on too long.

What I Didn't Like:

> * Explain to me why Bryce Dallas Howard wasn't cast as Mary Jane and Kirsten "Snaggletooth" Dunst was?

I was thinking the same thing on Friday morning.


> * I'm getting tired of Aunt May's speeches

They were so annoying.


> * Venom particularly seemed sort of tacked on.

That's what I was thinking.


> * Spider-Man let a criminal get away at the end.

I hated that part.

> * The 15 minute cryfest at the end. I thought I was watching the end of The Return of the King.

Do you mean the park scene? Ppl in the movie theatre were laughing when MJ and Peter were crying. That shit was mad corny.

> All and all, it wasn't bad but we could have done without this one being made.

You get the cosign on this.

> God help them if they try to make Spider-Man 4.

spoiler...

frankly, that scene letting sandman go was about forgiveness. it actually appears like the sandman disentegrated after spidey forgave him, but they left it open ended. honestly, how could spidey have 'captured' him? he tried water. i was waiting for him to try mixing dude with concrete (they were on a construction site). however at that juncture, spidey had forgiven him and looked emotionally and physically exhausted. he couldn't have beat sandman then if he wanted to. i didn't feel a way about it.
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wow. i still post on message boards. lol.

Just from the responses I've read, 95% of the people have said, despite criticisms "I really enjoyed it, really good flick." That speaks volumes for a movie when people can criticize it so much and still enjoy it as well.

First off, it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to do a strict interpretation of a comic book in a movie, especially one that's been around as long as this one, with different writers and various retellings over time. I mean no one seem to complained about the first movie, when in the comic book, MJ didn't come into his life until well after he got the spider bite. Movies have been in large part BLEAH for awhile, I definitely was putting all my hopes into this one and it DELIVERED.

Dark Peter was scene stealing, IMO. It was like he was tasting the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge, where he's actually in full realization of his powers, instead of hiding them or restraining them, letting you know what COULD happen if he weren't of a strong moral fiber. I liked seeing the problems between him and MJ, that fairy tale romance took a beating, it was nice to see the harsh realities of life and the trouble they play in relationships.

They could have spent more time doing Brock's background but 1) I don't believe that Venom/Brock are truly dead 2) I don't think it was consequential to the overall story, I mean dude goes to church to PRAY for PP's DEATH, you GET that he hates him. I mean he stole his girl as spiderman AND as peter, he took his job and humiliated him, i mean he did DIRT to sonny.

I think they tied things together nicely though at the end. I was never a religious week to week comic book reader so I could just be ignorant of it, but I don't know that harry was EVER teaming up with peter to fight villains, it was unfortunate but probably necessary that he died. Like I said, I think Brock or at the very least, Venom, isn't dead yet. If you can come out of the sky on a meteorite, a bomb probably isn't gonna get you done forever. And the last scene, Peter and MJ are dancing together but it's not a "this is goodbye" type shit, it kind of just leaves it out there, which was smart, in case Dunst doesn't return, and no she's far from the prettiest actress that could have played MJ but she owns that role, to replace her with another actress would be a HUGE mistake IMO. Also, Gwen Stacy is still alive (and much hotter) so since she was Peter's first girlfriend in the comics, it's open to the possibility that he'll get with her. If this is the last movie, you can either know that Peter and MJ ended together, but if it can continues, there are many different directions it can go. You kind of figure that if Peter and MJ get married, that will signal the end of the franchise, so it was smart for them to keep things open for now.

Yeah, no fucking complaints, EXCELLENT MOVIE. I've liked each one more and more and this one definitely raised it another notch. Actually my only complaint is that we had to sit close to the screen in the IMAX theater. Next time we go, we gotta get there early, I was PISSED at the beginning cause of that lolol.

remember there is still a sample that Pete left with Dr Connor's. So if they wanna bring him back in the 4th they can. But with Eddie, being killed....maybe they'll spin the Carnage angle.

They should just stick with Eddie Brock and bring Venom back b/c his small part at the end of movie was not satisfying enough for me. They should hold off on Carnage and develop Venom more.

was dude's partial hate for Peter over Gwen Stacy. She didn't seem to be trippin over him in the slightest. So it made him look more like a whiny little baby (perhaps this is why Topher was cast? lol). Who the hell is going to ask God to kill someone? Moron.
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S-M2 - 2 times
S-M3 - once thanks.

That was rough.
I fought the urge to look at the time, and I a) hate when people do that and b) didn't have shit else to do.

I didn't like that MJ wasn't open with Peter. Why wouldn't she just say she was fired? Annoying.

Raimi sure knows how to make Kirsten's body look good.

THC & TG as the villains were solid.
The Sandman scene was angel dust.

Further co-signage on J Jonah's secretary Betty.

I was expecting Gwen to catch a bad one, but since it hadn't been spoiled online I figured it wouldn't happen.
But I was still kind of looking for it.

The Aunt May scenes were torture.

Dark Peter was great.

I liked the Harry/Peter team-up at the end.

Since they're not going to stop making these movies, it is time for a thoughtful recasting. Unfortunately I don't know enough late teen actors to make decent suggestions.

> I was expecting Gwen to catch a bad one, but since it hadn't been spoiled online I figured it wouldn't happen.
But I was still kind of looking for it.

> The Aunt May scenes were torture.

Indeed with both points. I thought Gwen was gonna die when she was falling out of the building and those unbearable Aunt May scenes could've been edited out or something

not bad.
but definitely not great.

they just kinda threw venom in there at the end..
and instead of the symbiote-influenced peter being darker and more brooding, he was basically one of these guys:

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all they needed to do was play "what is love"

the jazz club scene- so unnecessary

Beats Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest, which opened with $55.8 million.
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worst in the series....

haven't seen a man cry that much since the last Merchant-Ivory movie I saw. Spiderman is a sensitive crybaby? wtf? did he whimper like a bitch in the comics? I think not. it was painful to watch and the kids in the front were laughing their asses off, for good reason.

hayden-church was the only character I half-cared about. the rest were moronic and poorly acted. even the dark spiderman was blah. raimi needs to watch batman returns and get a clue.

and the musical numbers? 3 of them? gtfoohwtbs.

I mostly only went because we saw them filming it in NYC...
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God forbid he's allowed to show some charm and personality.

That was what I liked the most about this one over the last one-- the changes in Harry. He actually had a 3-dimensional character, which was terrific.

Just a sidenote, but something I've been thinking about when pondering where this movie stands in the trilogy.

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This was the first action chick flick ever. There was enough CGI ass whuppings to pass around.

Memo to Sony: RECAST MARY JANE! There has to be a redheaded bombshell not on coke out there somewhere.

Venom's scene was too short. Is dude dead because I can't tell. Harry went out like a lil bitch.

How were both Harry and Peter fighting in front of people and yet keeping their secret identities?

Black Suit Spidey was that shit! You see how he was pulling females. Dude pulled his hair down over his face to show how gully he was. The scene of him ethering Eddie in Eddie's office is a nominee for GSOAT.

What was up with the Spider-Man nut hugging? This dude had a parade dedicated to him like he was a god.

All in All they need new blood in there. Let my dude Sam move on. He's spent over 9 years on Spider-Man. I think they should sign directors to 10 year 3 movie deals so that the franchises don't get X3ed.

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Pretty spot on really. The action, fight scenes, and special effects were the best of the series. The corniness was the worst of the series. Spider-Man dancing in the streets, and then to Mary Jane? Cuts to people in the crowd during the climax of the movie? And that scene with J. Jonah Jameson and the little girl? What about Stan Lee's God-awful cameo? I can't say much more than what the review says.
After seeing it once (I want to see it again for sure though, b/c I think seeing it at midnight with all of the nerds took some away), I will say that it is the weakest of the trilogy.
When I walk away from a movie and remember the shitty parts just as much (if not more) than the good parts, then something didn't work.

> The corniness was the worst of the series. Spider-Man dancing in the streets, and then to Mary Jane? Cuts to people in the crowd during the climax of the movie? And that scene with J. Jonah Jameson and the little girl? What about Stan Lee's God-awful cameo? I can't say much more than what the review says.

Those were most of my gripes as well.

Did anybody else say "What the fuck?" after Spiderman had rescued Gwen from the building and they just cut to the next scene? Was I the only one thinking "Ok, that's great he saved the girl. Now what about the out of control crane that's wrecking a skyscraper and the giant pieces of building falling to the ground?"

>Did anybody else say "What the fuck?" after Spiderman had
>rescued Gwen from the building and they just cut to the next
>scene? Was I the only one thinking "Ok, that's great he saved
>the girl. Now what about the out of control crane that's
>wrecking a skyscraper and the giant pieces of building falling
>to the ground?"

n/m

'so what happened to the crane?'

I didn't think about that. Some of these scenes were mad rushed in this film.

Yeah, this movie was not very good. Actually I dug the first hour, as the action sequences were dope and the drama was actually bearable. After that, the corniness got to be too much, the acting blew, and every time the tried to get serious, I couldn't help but laughing. Along with the rest of the audience. Yet it wasn't that much "fun" for a comic book movie. Even the action sequences towards the end were lame and ridiculous. And the news broadcast shit was horrible.

I will say that Harry Osborn was much more interesting this time around. The Sandman stuff was cool, but he's really never been that interesting of a villain. They kep on repeating "My daughter is dying." Of what?!?! They never said. Apparently not something that would kill her in any reasonably short amount of time. As she was alive when Uncle Ben go shot, and she's still "dying" years later.

Venom is a fairly interesting villain, but they didn't give him much interesting to do here.

Yeah, skip it. Unless maybe a cheap matinee.

Maybe it's because I never read the comics, but I thought it was garbage except for the fight scenes.

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it's not a bad movie by any stretch, despite it's flaws.
i could understand the disdain for the x3 debacle.. but this i nowhere near that level. a few key changes could have made this a four star movie, easily.

I wanted to like this film, but I didnt. The script was all over the place and the corniness was too much for me at some of the most critical moments. Action was tight. Nuff said.

Considering the totality of the circumstances, I thought it could be one of the 10 worst movies I've ever seen. It appears that a decent amount of other people have gotten some enjoyment out of it, so maybe I'm off here. Maybe I'll watch it again when it comes to television. I read all the comics when I was younger. Knew the characters, knew the stories. Enjoyed the first two, but to me this movie was disalarmingly awful.

I hope so. I need a bootleg of this ASAP.

(for a cam)

and only about 800 mb
so it saves disk space

I haven't seen one yet...well I had the wack one they made in the early 90s.

I had pretty high hopes for Spidey 3 & it certainly didn't live up to expectations. I guess I figured it was going to be dark & gritty instead of hokey & corny.

J.Jonah Jameson was played perfectly as always but the only annoying and not needed scene was when he tried to get that camera from the little girl at the end of the movie.

Venom was obviously tacked on b/c of fan demand probably and really did not need to be in this movie b/c he was underdeveloped but I liked the Eddie Brock character. If he was developed more along with his story behind hating Spiderman then he should have been in the film and also more huge in body mass IMO.

The movie slowed down in some instances and there were too many Peter Parker and MJ crying scenes. I was laughing at the park scene when they were crying. That shit was horrible.

Sandman was very one dimensional but he had some cool fight scenes with Spiderman. The way they brought his powers to the big screen were nothing short of amazing.

Betty Brant deserved more scenes. lol.

The whole dark Spidey scenes could've been edited out or kept to a minimum.

I didn't like how Spiderman just let Sandman go at the end of the movie and the Sandman's "My daughter has been dying forever" story was more than wack.

That new goblin costume was unbearable and the skateboard he had to glide on was also terrible. Didn't he have the original goblin outfit and shit right there in the lab in his first few scenes ready for him? I mean, he could've just used that.

I liked how he told Peter that he was the other guy and how he smiled at Peter in the coffee shop or whatever. That was probably that greatest part of the movie.

Harry's butler hasn't said shit for two whole feature films but all of a sudden decides to make this long confession out of no where. lol.

I wanted Norman Osborne to come back but oh well. Not a big deal.

If I can think of anything else, I'll post it but I really should have saved my $10 for real.

This movie has the '3' curse. X3 was bad, Matrix 3 was horrible, and now this. What's up with 3's being bad movies?

First thing - the action was just incredibly dope. Though there wasn't anything on the level of the train fight in 2, just about everything was outstanding. Which is good, you know, in an ACTION movie.
The villains were about as well-realized as anyone could have realistically hoped for. They completely exceeded my expectations with Venom. Franco killed it. I can't believe I'm saying that, but he really did, and was maybe the best character in the movie. THC and TG were also pretty damn good in their own right.
As always, they laid it on pretty heavy with the love scenes, but like will said, they were far superior to 2's.

My mind was blown. Easily the best entry in the series, and certainly a worthy exit for Raimi, Toby and Dunst.

4.5/5

Yall can go back to hating now

> Though there wasn't anything on the level of the train fight in 2


Nothing's gonna top that. The train fight was nothing short of fantastic in 2.

Or, at the very least, mad emo. Peter cries. MJ cries. The Sandman (!) cries. MJ does musical numbers. MJ gets the Effie White treatment. The buddy-buddy tag-team stuff, which, I suppose, is the superhero equivalent of makeup sex.

Nah. Mad gay works.

Peter's JB moment had me raising an eyebrow as well.

Special effects were generally very well done, and less obvious than in one and two.

if they said "spiderman 3 will not be an action adventure movie, it'll be a comedy about all things ackward and emo" then i wouldn't of been pissed after seeing this movie.

as for the racism, i mean come on.

***spoilers*** but not plot killing spoilers

the headline "spiderman shows his true colors" with the picture of him in his BLACK suit stealing money from the bank? c'mon.

then the ending battle. spidey swings into the scene in front of a BIG ASS AMERICAN flag to fight the "sandman" and the all black "venom".....wow.

was hanging next to Gwen Stacey? Spidey swoops in and saves Gwen.....we never see what happens to the Sista. LOL!

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lol

What a reach.

>the headline "spiderman shows his true colors" with the
>picture of him in his BLACK suit stealing money from the bank?
>c'mon.
>
>then the ending battle. spidey swings into the scene in front
>of a BIG ASS AMERICAN flag to fight the "sandman" and the all
>black "venom".....wow.

"wow" is right, but only in regard to yuor insane reaching

looked like they held that shot just a 'tad' too long. I made the same joke you did about that too, cause its funny.
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either way the movie was mad flustered. too much going on. it was purely aesthetics that made it somewhat watchable. the acting and shit sucked.

and im someone who actually sticks up for Marvel flicks. but this 3rd spidey was fucked up.

If it wasnt for his lame dance moves id thought spidey became a black guy. Macking on several girls, beating up people and not giving a fuck. All he needed was a bucket of KFC...

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but how in the world has no one mentioned the "dark peter" winking at girls scenes and the dancing on the street and in the jazz club, what the hell was that?!?!?! that may have been the worst scene in any movie ever, all of a sudden an action movie turned into a musical, i have no idea how this was permitted, it single-handedly ruined the movie, i couldn't take it seriously anymore
some person in the theatre yelled out "what is going on?" and everyone in eye sight completely agreed and laughed

and peter was so damn emo, what was up with the hair and eyeliner

apart from that though, i really enjoyed it, probably the best out of the 3, cgi was crazy and action was really well done

oh yeah, one more thing, was harry supposed to be hobgoblin? cuz what kind of mask was that? it looked like ski goggles or something

and is brock dead? are they making a spiderman 4?

the crowd at the theatre i was at was so ruthless, they laughed at basically every dialogue seen, and at the end, people were just bawling of laughter, kinda made me look at the movie as a joke kinda, haha no one respected it at all

pretty surprised at the postive reaction to this movie at PTP, thought most would hate it

so yeah, those r my thoughts

anything. i don't know what y'all wanted.

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-Pete Rose at Wrestlemania 14 in Boston.

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"You know, I left a ticket for Bill Buckner for this, but he couldn't bend over to pick it up. How 'bout it?"
-Pete Rose at Wrestlemania 14 in Boston.

They mentioned him in the first movie? I didn't catch that.

all week.


"You know, I left a ticket for Bill Buckner for this, but he couldn't bend over to pick it up. How 'bout it?"
-Pete Rose at Wrestlemania 14 in Boston.

I'm gonna watch that movie again and look for that. Thanks.

1 - This butler just appears out of nowhere, huh? I don't remember him in the other two Spider-Man movies, but all the sudden, Harry is being helped by this bootleg Alfred...

2 - In the film, the bootleg Alfred mentions something about how he remembers Harry & Peter as kids and how they used to play, something to that effect - WTF? Didn't they meet senior year?

when Harry was obsessing over Spidey, he tells him how his dad would always obsess over his work etc.

>2 - In the film, the bootleg Alfred mentions something about
>how he remembers Harry & Peter as kids and how they used to
>play, something to that effect - WTF? Didn't they meet senior
>year?


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Biggest opening ever

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The most hilarious part for me happened after the credits rolled. this lady sitting in front of us in the theatre was like "I'm going home to watch The Matrix" Damn.

Great concepts but too many storylines/ideas that went undeveloped.

It was hard for them to outdo #2, which was a masterpiece.

Spider Man 3 had some great ideas, but too many for one movie which made for uneven storyline finishes.

The action was great, incredible. Its what holds the movie up from being painfully mediocre. They took it up a notch even further with the action.

But the storyline, or plethora of them, were the weakest part of the movie. As a result, It made the movie feel longer than actually was.

It felt like the director said to himself, "okay, this is definitely going to be the last Spider Man, so lets throw everything AND the kitchen sink into the screenplay and let the chips fall where they may, fuck it".

Quite a few "jump the shark" moments in the movie. Peter on the piano? The new white version of Shaft walking down the street, macking chicks? And Sandman all of sudden becomes the size of Godzilla towards the end? lol

I give it a B-, and thats only because of the action sequences.

> It felt like the director said to himself, "okay, this is definitely going to be the last Spider Man, so lets throw everything AND the kitchen sink into the screenplay and let the chips fall where they may, fuck it".


lol. Right.

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it was still entertaining and did a handful of things right, but i'll list my complaints:

*spoilers ahead*

- too long. definately coulda chopped a good 15 min as there were a lot of scenes that were irrelevant to the story. most notably the poorly executed and horribly timed comic relief. a prime example is the climax of the film, the 4 way fight, when all the sudden we get the horrible "let me buy your camera exchange", draining momentum the film was trying to build. Another one were the completely out of place scenes with Parker showing off how the sybmiote changed him... the dancing down the street, jazz club rendition.... shit like that had to go. We know how the symbiote changes him, they made that pretty clear, there was no need to go to that extreme and stray from the film.

- there was no plot until 2/3 of the way through when they say 'lets kill spiderman'. the first half was all just a love story between parker and mj, and it thats not what people go see a SpiderMan movie for (at least not for as long as they dragged it out)

- they didnt do Venom justice. Topher was a questionable casting choice (but so was Tobey in retrospect, so i couldnt complain at the time)... but Venom is one of the best villians, and they dropped the ball. I knew he wouldnt get that much screentime, but there was so much potential for him and he just came across as flat. And everytime he showed glimpses of being dope, he would take his damn mask off and we see topher, completely fucking ruining how dope Venom is.

Definitely the worst of the 3 (i liked 1 and 2 a lot for the record), but this one was too long, not that interesting a plot and they fucked up Venom. Still glad I saw it, but it was a letdown for me.

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steady buying those 10 dollar tickets

not that i'm personally offended or anything, i loved the movie and to each their own, but from reading some of the criticisms, i think some people need to step back and put this in perspective.

the love scenes are ALWAYS gonna be cheesy. peter is a NERD, and MJ wasn't exactly a girl from park avenue. i mean what are people expecting, refined and mature love? i see gayer shit on a daily basis between real life people all the time.

also, the train fight scene in spiderman 2 wasn't even the best fight scene in THAT movie. the bank shit was more action, he spent a good 5 minutes stopping the train then getting google eyes from all the passengers.

and again, he's a NERD. seeing him being "cool" and still felt a bit out of place, because it's just not him.

and with regards to the whole "what happened to the crane?" what happened to the rest of the people in spidey one after he saved MJ when green goblin first attacked? nobody gave a shit after that. it's kind of implied that if there's no more attention it's prolly because it's done.

like i said, i'm not bothered that people didn't enjoy the movie as much as me, but there's a lot of nitpicking that wasn't done with the first two. it IS based on a comic book, after all.

>and with regards to the whole "what happened to the crane?"
>what happened to the rest of the people in spidey one after he
>saved MJ when green goblin first attacked? nobody gave a shit
>after that. it's kind of implied that if there's no more
>attention it's prolly because it's done.

The basic idea in just about heroic scene in every hero movie is that there is something that is causing a big problem. The audience sees the hero fix/destroy/defeat the thing that is creating that problem. Once I know the source of the problem is gone, I feel comfortable in assuming that with no more chaos and destruction, regular people can deal with the clean-up/aftermath. But with that scene, there was an out of control crane ripping through a building. It was still ripping through building last we saw it. There was no implication whatsoever that the giant beam had stopped swinging around fucking things up. The crane looked like it had the potential to tip over even. How do you stop that? Who put a stop to it? Did it take out any more buildings or anymore floors on that building? He saved one person from a giant danger that presented a threat to many people and a lot of property. That's like putting out a fire in the garden while the house is burning down and then walking away satisfied because the radishes are safe.

90% of it was AWFUL. and i mean awful. the first one was a fun movie. Spiderman 2 was a GREAT superhero movie. Spiderman 3. awful.

Pro's:
-James Franco showed great range in his evilness/good/evil again/good again. that scene in the cafe was maybe my favourite scene. that snark and then the comment "how's the pie?" "ITS SO DAMN GOOD!" was hilarious!
- putting Bryce Dallas Howard in this movie gave it some redemption imo.
- VENOM: coolest looking super-hero movie character ive maybe ever seen. it was perfect.
- T.H. Church. dude owned his role.
- "Don't Kiss Her Spiderman" (that kid was pretty funny)
- peter smacking mary jane to the ground.

Cons:
- Aunt May- shut up already. we get it, you're old and have lots of stories of how you and uncle ben used to be pretty hot and good at dancing.........enough.
- EMO MAN (the second he looked in the mirror and applied the 'flip' and then suddenly had black hair and mascara on. i covered my face in shame.
- Mary Jane being amongst the least loveable 'heroines' of all time. she gets more and more annoying with each role. i did like the waitress outfit though. that's the best ive seen her look....since jumanji (i kid. no pedo)
- the crazyness of that crane scene. COME ON! how you gonna just ignore that.
- "WOW! THAT WAS WICKED COOL!"
- Franco's Butler. sooo miscast.
-cry
-cry again.
-not bringing actual Venom in till 3/4 of the way through the movie.
-Not having Bryce Dallas Howard play Mary Jane. SHES GOT RED HAIR! and is willing to show punani.
- That stupid 'strut' scene. followed by the Anchorman Jazz Lounge act.
-not having Peter hook up with BDH
- Franco dying. Cry.
- 20 minutes to end the damn thing. 3 times i thought it was over. 3!
- forgiving Sandman but showing no mention of his ailing daughter.
- soooo much more was wrong with this movie.

i pretty much couldnt believe how bad it actually was. 10 minutes in i wanted it to be over.
if not for that scene where Peter tries to deploy Venom from his body in the bell tower and you see the Venom figure fighting him, i might have demanded my money back. i almost left the theatre just out of boredom half way through to get some fresh air.

my wife looked over at me halfway
through like 'are you not enjoying this?
you keep sighing...'

one step above the hulk, word.

of aunt may to remind peter of uncle ben and provide counseling?

dude is in love with mary jane, his next of kin knows it. da fuck u expect her to talk about?


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-Pete Rose at Wrestlemania 14 in Boston.

this one sucked. it did. it did. it did. it did. it did. IT DID!

im often satisfied with superhero movies. i dont expect all that much from the average new superhero movie. but when a franchise and its stars/director have set such a high level of expectation, they couldnt have failed more. like i said, 90% of it was awful.

maybe this is the lack of comic book reading experience in me but in the final fight scene with Venom and Sandman, Sandman suddenly turns into the fucking Stay Puff Marshmallow Man and all my friends looked at one another and said "Yo! He's tooooo damn big"

so much of it just felt awkward and wrong. okay, i was being a little hard on Aunt May in my review. i just wish they would let her do something that wasnt sooooo 1 dimensional. she dosnt have to be so blind all the time.

and what the hell is up with that Kate Moss neighbor of Peter's? WHY THE FUCK IS SHE ALWAYS MIXING A DAMN BATTER? but it was funny when Pete was on the phone telling her "Milk....You Got any Nuts? Make me some cookis with nuts!" i laughed at that scene.

I liked the last 20 minutes and the Spidey/Goblin team-up.

the whole "dark peter" thing was supposed to be cheesy as hell. he's a nerd trying to be bad ass. did you not pick that up from the 5-minute montage of him strutting down the street and people looking at him like he's retarded?

you dumbasses act like the comics are great works of literary genius. not quite - they're cornball, too.

leave it to you fuckwads to over-analyze a fucking comic book movie. if you were looking for anything more than a big special effects movie with cool fights, then why the fuck did you go?

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It worked for me.
I think the whole Venom thing throws people. His original concept was awful but folks have this false adolescent nostalgia based on how bad ass he was.

it embraced the natural cheesy element involved with a comic book storyline

2 thought it was some Oscar-worthy screenplay

The opening bit, the "Raindrops" interlude... all 3 movies have been fairly consistent in tone I think.

despite the big budget
effects and fight scenes,
this movie was the corniest,
the most boring, and had
the least emotional impact.

alfred molina as doc ock was
still fifty times more compelling
than venom, sandman and hobgoblin.

this movie ::: spiderman franchise = attack of the clones ::: star wars

mugs are forgetting what makes
spiderman/peter parker enjoyable.
its not the effects, its the
relationsships. which is wild,
cause even though the movie spent
time trying to deal with them, most
of the speeches and convos fell
flat.

they might could'a got away with
that if the movie wasn't SOOOO LOOONNNG...

as it stands?

i feel like i wasted those hours.

>this movie ::: spiderman franchise = attack of the clones :::
>star wars

^^^Nah, man. Attack of the Clones was a good movie. I think I see what you are saying. Hayden's acting was suspect and there was awkward choice of lines for dialogue, but the storyline was aight.

With Spider-Man 3, it was won big hodgepodge of a Storyline and a lot of "jump the shark" moments that just killed the entire Spider-Man trilogy.


>>despite the big budget
>effects and fight scenes,
>this movie was the corniest,
>the most boring, and had
>the least emotional impact.
>
>alfred molina as doc ock was
>still fifty times more compelling
>than venom, sandman and hobgoblin.
>

>mugs are forgetting what makes
>spiderman/peter parker enjoyable.
>its not the effects, its the
>relationsships. which is wild,
>cause even though the movie spent
>time trying to deal with them, most
>of the speeches and convos fell
>flat.
>
>they might could'a got away with
>that if the movie wasn't SOOOO LOOONNNG...
>
>as it stands?
>
>i feel like i wasted those hours.

I agree, aside from the fighting sequences which were tight.

super serious anyway. spider-man in an elevator....remember?

i'll tell u movies that are GARBAGE and this ain't one of them.

batman and robin
the hulk
mortal kombat 2
captain america

if y'all are gonna lump spidey-3 in with that group, y'all are crazy

"You know, I left a ticket for Bill Buckner for this, but he couldn't bend over to pick it up. How 'bout it?"
-Pete Rose at Wrestlemania 14 in Boston.

but - like attack of the clones -
it put a dent into its overall
unstoppability, because now there
are folks who can point to a movie
in the franchise they totally didn't
like.

the next time they try to make another
one, they'll have to work extra hard to
overcome a lot of skepticism out there.

this movie - like superman returns -
took this franchise out of the MUST
SEE category and put it into the
WAIT AND SEE category for a lot of
folks. there are die-hard fans and
kids who will always love spiderman,
but there are now also fence-straddlers
like me who lean more AWAY from it
that towards it.

i don't know why people are pretending like the last two screenplays were oscar-caliber. the dialogue and MJ-related stuff have always been cringe-worthy. it was no worse or better in part 3.

franco and dunst were laughably bad in the first 2 movies and they continued the tradition in this one. i honestly got what i was expecting - great fight scenes and cool visuals.

That is one of 3's biggest flaw.

It was thrown together haphazardly.

Multiple storylines that flew in the face of each other



>i don't know why people are pretending like the last two
>screenplays were oscar-caliber. the dialogue and MJ-related
>stuff have always been cringe-worthy. it was no worse or
>better in part 3.
>
>franco and dunst were laughably bad in the first 2 movies and
>they continued the tradition in this one. i honestly got what
>i was expecting - great fight scenes and cool visuals.

where did all this "the relationships and speeches fell short" crap come from?

the dialogue has been shitty since the first one!

I mean, how could people love Spiderman 2 and then criticize the third movie for the exact same faults...

2 was a lot better

if you havent seen it dont go in there thinking its gonna be banannas

because its not

Venom was ill exactly how I imagined he would look and move
fight scenes are very dope
hobgoblin fights are particually dope as hell

just too much extra drama w/ MJ imo

it sucked balls...it was wayyyy too long, and it seemed like it was made with a very young audience in mind

every seen wiht aunt may (or w/e her name is) makes me wanna shoot myself...seriously, its like all her lines have been the same in each installment

the scene w/ him dancing in the bar was sooooooo lame

venom, my fav character from the comics, was poorly used, and i will be disappointed if he doenst come back (i feel like he wont)

and james franco had a damn bomb explode right next to his face, and he is barely affected?

gimme back my 3hours and 7 quid

remember when the Green Goblin threw a bomb that went off right in front of Spiderman's face in Part 1?? Where's his scar at??

Oh,and how come Harry didn't wear that pimpin silver mask that was seen at the beginning?? Fak son.

seriously, Spiderman ain't supposed to have a double chin. All that money they spent on CGI and they could get homie a personal trainer?

Movie would have been way better if they cut Sandman out, and just developed the Venom story.

My time could of been spent better. The Dark Knight allusions were pathetic.


Check this true story of my movie going experience:

Peter Parker smacks Mary Jane to the floor.


Crying, MJ asks Peter: "Who are You?"

A 10 year white kid in back of me responses: "I'M RICK JAMES BITCH!"

You gotta love pop culture.

>Crying, MJ asks Peter: "Who are You?"
>
>A 10 year white kid in back of me responses: "I'M RICK JAMES
>BITCH!"
>
>You gotta love pop culture.
>

cept it was a black kid.

Not at the box office, of course.


The people from the Spiderman studios laughin' at yall right
now.

I didn't pay to see it, btw.

But seeing it did provide me with lots of writing material,
so it was worth the viewing.

Not to shit on Toby.


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Nah, man Jake Gylenhall IS Spiderman, I still think he should have been Spidey from the jump, he fits it so much better and Kate Hudson should have been Mary Jane

I pray they get them for Spiderman 4

peter parker goes emo = lol

cg on sandman was the only impressive part of that move

that seventies show as venom = L.O.L.

comedy

Kirsten Dunce = Terrible just like she has been in the previous 2
James Franco = Freddy Prinze Jr. just like he has been in the others
Thomas Hayden Church = Wooden

Tobey, Topher & Bryce were decent considering the shiddy material they had to sift thru. The 1st one was ok, the second one blew me away minus all the lovey dovey shit. This 1 turned into 90210.

I didn't mind Peter Parker going "emo," because the point was not that it made him a badass, but just he became narcissistic and selfish. Peter Parker cannot be a badass, and if they'd tried they would have made it UNINITENTIONALLY laughable.

It definately lacked the emotional impact of the first two, but whatever. It was too long, but the fighting was cool, it was funny, and it had enough of a solid story to keep me with it.

Yes, it does put a damper on the franchise, but let's be honest, with a (possibly) completely new team for the next one, how amped would you have been, anyway?

at least back then

{may be some spoilazz up in eearrr)

haha
jokes aside..I seen early show @11 cause it was only 4 bucks a person!

Movie was not bad. Going into the theater my hype was sort of bumped down a notch or 2. But I went in jus...expecting anything really. Hoping it wasnt gonna be horrible. And to my surprise it wasnt! I mean, I actually thought there was gonna be a whole lot more action overtaking any semblance of a stoyline, but it actually balanced it out well. But yes, at the same time as me being ok wityh that I was a bit frustrated wit parts of it. I mean, parts where it got a bit too sentimental and some scenes wit MJ and Harry where they were dancin n all that shit. Nawww man, cut that shit OUT! Editors dropped the ball on a couple occasions there. Even Aunt May's lines were starting to sound like the same as always..somewhat.. Parkers trip to the "dark side" was funy at first but then grew tired and isntead of laughing( like Raimi wanted us to) at the jazz club scene I was really grimacing and cringing, waiting for it to be over. U know that feelin, like when u r 10 and are greeted by fam you never see cept at Xmas dinner. And the ending felt rushed.. Everything from Venom coming into being til the finale. It would have been better if they reworked the plot a bit and had him trasforming and then comming at the camera like he did. Cut to credits.

That said, the action sequences were about top notch. I liked the first encounter wit harry goblin and also the show down at the end. Sandmans effects were pretty good. Though havin him fly through the city like a monster like that was a bit over-the-topish. But I really didnt care for it in the finally sequence, when hes a Sand-Monster from hell. He was like Sand-Kong or some shit. But his exit was interesting..I didnt mind that happening at all actually.

As for acting Toby wasnt bad once again(cept when he Sat Night Fevering his ass off lol). And I thought Franco was better this time round. Church had a difficult role imo to do, and he did it passable, thats all. Bryce Howard was fine, but somewhat underused and Dunst was ok as usual. Topher Grace was good, darn near stole the sho imo..til the end

Over all **1/2 out of ****



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anyways..

and at that point, there became far too many storylines for it to hold together.

and what i really don't understand about using venom here (as opposed to saving him for 4) is that they don't even give him any good powers or fights. i'm sorry, he's just not that cool in his one fight.

but sandman was good (and could have used more character) and the peter/harry thing was done well.

i give it a b minus.

...or fell victim to the hype surrounding the movie and so were man disappointed when they saw it...It was a good film..it was

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George's vote is null and void. Spiderman 3 still exists on a plane higher than anything George Lucas has created in recent memory. This is laughable.

I found this on CHUD.

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GEORGE LUCAS CALLS DOWN THE THUNDER
05.09.07
By Devin Faraci
Contributing sources: Fox News, Barry Stroup

Some of you didn’t like Spider-Man 3. That’s fair. I don’t agree with the people who called it as bad as Batman & Robin, but that doesn’t mean I think it’s a particularly great movie. It’s got a lot of problems. But is lack of story one of them?

George Lucas thinks so. Talking to Roger Friedman, the J. Fred Muggs of our generation, Lucas let slip that he wasn’t so impressed with Spidey 3:

"It's silly. It's a silly movie," he said. "There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?"

Well, it's not "Star Wars."

"People thought 'Star Wars' was silly, too," he added, with a wink. "But it wasn't."

Interesting. ILM didn’t work on Spider-Man 3, so I guess he feels free to sling shit. And the film blasted past Revenge of the Sith’s opening weekend, making this the second Spider-Man movie to hang above Lucas’ head (Spider-Man also opened bigger, but a couple of years earlier). Could this be some professional jealousy?

By the way, I must come clean – I have run this story to see which you guys are more rabidly angry about: Spider-Man 3 or George Lucas. I only wish there could have been a new Transformers design unveiled as well, and that Lucas had also called Serenity ‘gay.’ We could have destroyed the Internet with that story.
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I have come to terms with the FACT that I am a geek.

I get excited about new innovations in technology. I was over-excited when the Nokia E70 came out..Backordering on Ebay. Reviewing on forums tongue wagging and ALL that.

I "how stuff works" is one of my bookmarks.

I collected action figurines (They are NOT dolls!) until I was almost 25.

Don't get me started on my fascination with Graphic Novels (thats the cool way of saying comics without actually saying COMICS!)
I was in the first group to watch the last installment of Star Wars at midnight right when it opened..you know those guys with the light sabre's?..Yes that was ME complete with Punisher t-shirt.
I was at the Superman Returns Premier in Manhattan IMAX theatre complete with geeky 3D glasses.
I went to see X-Men 3 2wice coz I had missed the final scene after the credits.

So naturally I would be AMPED to watch Spiderman 3.

Didn't get to watch it on opening day since I didnt wanna have to deal with the Non-purists (yes I am a comic snob too!).

Finally go to watch it on a random Monday evening 7pm show.
Missed the trailers but thats not the point anyway right? I mean who wants to see Fantastic 4 part 2 Rise of the Silver Surfer anyway?!

Settle down just as they show the opening Marvel comic sequence. I LOVE that comic book flicking sequence.

*& Now for our Feature Presentation*

Opening Spider-Man sequence seems like a recap of the first 2 movies in case you're one of the 3people who HAVEN'T seen it. This is worrying...Looks like they may have made this one with the non-purists as highest priority...
lets maintain an objective mind afterall US$19-50 is a pretty price to pay for a movie date.

SO EXCITED: There are great interactions to be explored in this movie so there is little chance they could mess this up right? I mean VENOM + GREEN GOBIN 2 + SANDMAN! A comic geek's dream date movie.

As the movie progresses it is clear that the focus of this one is on the done age-old theme of
'Boy loves girl; Boy Loses girl; Boy must "find himself" if he is to get girl back blah blah blah..might as well cast Hugh f*ckin Grant as Peter Parker!!! I mean 75% of the movie exploring the boy-girl cheesy sh*t?! DAMN YOU HOLLYWOOD!

Speaking of bad casting: Possibly THE Worst casting job in the history of Comic book adaptations was Topher Grace (from THAT 70'S SHOW!!!!) as Eddie Brock/ Venom! WTF!!! This may be worse than the Sue Storm & Routh as Clark Kent/ Supe mis-castings! WTF WTF WTF!!!
Topher is about 150lbs (75kgs) too small for the role! WTF!!!
COME ON! HAVE YOU CASTING DIRECTOR NEVER READ A SPIDERMAN COMIC!

People do not seem to understand the depth of the Psychological turmoil that is the Venom arc. Its not a simple issue of painting the Spiderman black as this movie would have you believe. Its a deeper commentry on the spiritual battle between (relatively weaker) Good vs bitter sweet, seemingly more powerful) Evil we all wage daily. Why not explore this very human theme more in this movie???? I guess it wasn't as marketable & the 7yr olds gracing the opening week box-offices wouldnt be able to handle such "dark" themes yet we load Shrek 3 with sexual inuendos...

In its defense I admire the studio's vision to try bring the Venom saga to life & stay true to the alien origins of the symbiodic Venom suit. All that was pretty consistent though it could be argued that they spent a total of 5mins on the Spiderman/ Venom saga. I for one didn't think black suit Spidey was any more "Venomous" than good ol' friendly neighbourhood red & blue spandex Spidey.

The special FX were good though nothing ground-breaking we didn't see in the first 2 movies.
The opening fight sequence btwn Peter Parker & Young Obsourne was particuarly impressive. Them exploding pumpkin missle thingie are not to be messed with!
We would have liked to see more of a Spidey vs Venom fight though since I was expecting him to be the main villian. What do we get? a freakin 1minute back & forth slap fest. Not even the obligatory "WE ARE VENOM" line! *spits* Phuu!

Stan Lee cameos, as corny as the dialogue was, are always an exciting sighting in a Marvel movie.

Tobey was his pimple-faced usual self in this one as Peter Parker. I actually think this was a good casting selection.

Kirtsen Dunst is growing on me as Mary Jane Watson. I guess you need a whiney girl to play damsel in distress.
...
but even these 2 seasoned Spiderman leads could not save the film from its inadequacies.
Honestly this must have been one of THE worst written movies I have seen in the last 5yrs. Lines like: "I would give my life for you guys" should be banned from movies forever!
The Peter & MJ scene particularly made me cringe for every drawn out moment.

I honestly think an episode of Heroes packs more legitimate Comic book spirit than this latest incarnation of this $375M first week box-office Web-Crawler sequel.
I say we start a petition: Tim Kring for Spiderman 4!

4 out of 10.
-Nyif

Goblin Jr. blindsided him on the scooter, couple of other instances where you'd think his spidey sense would be tingling but didn't.

venom, was it?

I didn't think about that.....

the out of control crane? they didn't even bother to explain why it was out of control or how it stopped being out of control.

how did venom know sandman had a daughter? and why would sandman believe that spider-man was stopping him from seeing his daughter when...nothing was stopping him from seeing his daughter? LOL.

took mary j a while to get out of that cab, huh?

one last extraordinarily minor gripe: people don't get fired for starting fights in the office now? (pete slamming brock into the framed picture). no one even stepped to dude about messing up the frame. lol.
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wow. i still post on message boards. lol.

if I'm not mistake, didn't he get killed IN THE DAYTIME?

What was this shit with Marko at night?

in spider-man 1 dude got killed at night.

you haven't seen spider-man 3 until you've seen it in imax... and i don't know if there's a better imax theater than the boeing imax theater in seattle...

just give it the oscar for best sound now.

Sooo,I've been reading a lot of posts on this and I couldn't help but notice that nobody seems to know anything about the Sandman. Obviously he can change his body into sand but he can also absorb nearby sand and reconstitute it into his body.
When the cops were after him and he hopped into that truck...and then proceeded to turn into a sandstorm...
The last fight was at a CONSTRUCTION SITE,where there is tons of sand. Think about it...let's stop complaining about Sandman being too big now please.
okbye!!

Granted, there were definitely problems. And all of those problems really could've been fixed. The strut scene should've been cut completely. The over-the-top dance scene should've been cut too.

You can tell that Raimi and co. were getting tired of making Spiderman movies because I seriously doubt they would've rushed the Goblin story in there if they wanted a fourth movie.

I always imagined that Harry would've been the villain for a fourth movie with Lizard and/or Scorpion. That would've been great especially since they had already established Dr. Connors in the movies.



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i had a conversation with my LCS owner. he was telling me how raimi had plans to ONLY do a sandman story. apparantly, it was other people involved with the movie that pushed to have a venom tie in. this to me is very interesting for several reasons:

1) venom was a late release to the public. all the venom pieces in the movie did seem contrived and far fetched (symbiote landing right beside u-know-who, venom finished off with some building supplies, brock being a rival to u-know-who, u-know-who being bad tempered to the point of beating his u-know-what , the cool guy thing, etc etc).

2) when you watch the movie, the sandman parts were very well done.

3) there where HUGE things missing in #3...where the fuck was the spider-sense? it was there in #1 and #2. in fact, i believe venom even mentions it.

The Sandman stuff wasn't all that well done.

I mean in terms of action and CGI, yeah... beautiful stuff, sure.

But character wise? Plot wise? Kinda stunk.


So I've been hearing this same rumor but you know, it's not like Venom was the only problem with the flick.