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6163, film-snob: rules of attraction
Posted by ricky_BUTLER, Sun Oct-26-03 05:03 PM
STEP ONE

i like her. she likes me.

CHARACTER BACKGROUND (the mirror has two faces)

i am kinda an example in, well, hypocrisy or fine-balance. i love (yes, i brought out the stalker word) meg ryan. i hold a special place for sandra bullock. i have seen "home alone" an embarrassing amount of times and memorized 90% of the dialogue. at the same time i try to analyze bergman, check out books on bunel, and have watched "la jetee" twice. i take that has some contradiction.

FIRST ACT

she comes over do to some homework. a couple cents short of a dime, but nice nonetheless. the TV is on, as the niners choke again. i flip around after the conclusion of said bout and TNT is playing "sleepless in seattle." as a meg ryan fan and devotee of the film i stop the flipping. girl immediately exclaims, "ohhhh i love this." i second her excitement. she asks if i'm sarcastic, and if i actually know the flick from just the appearance of meg and rosie o'donnell across the screen. i confirm that i do.

we continue to watch the movie. in the mean-time i find out she is a kevin mccallister fan as well. she knows the last line of "you've got mail" and likes romantic comedies (a guilty pleasure of mine.)

SECOND ACT

so i have three posters on my walls: , , . she says of deniro, "oh that’s not how i think of bobby. he looks too mean there." she says she thinks of him best in "midnight run" (directed by my favorite "gigli" director.) she's never seen "the godfather" and has a weird reaction to "breathless" being a french film. she's seems even more perplexed that i have copies of "weekend" and "pierre le fou" by the VCR.

when i tell her that meg ryan is my guilty pleasure, she tells me that's a weird way of looking at her. i say, "most film snob people think of her acting and movies as merely fluff and simple, popcorn entertainment." to which she replies, "that's what movies are."

further when i delve into romantic comedies she's never heard of "the apartment", didn't know about "the shop around the corner," and called that i knew the directors' names "trivia facts."

THIRD ACT

i get some homework, the movie ends on the empire state building, and i go off to the cafeteria. i didn't make nor try to make any intimate progression (quasi-got a somebody else), but this all got me (over)analyzing and thinking.

CURTAIN FALLS

busted girl likes brakhage? that make her "better?"
nice girl never heard of billy wilder? that make her "worse?"
for the okp movieheads, S.O.'s cinematic taste affect their overall person?

STEP TWO??
6164, no, but it helps
Posted by Eusebio, Sun Oct-26-03 05:29 PM
first of all, i'm your age and ALMOST a film snob. yes i have seen a bunch of bunuel, godard, scorsese etc (not as much as i want to though i still have a long way to go) and yes, i gag at most of the junk hollywood spews out, but my knowledge becomes MUCH weaker the more obscure u get.

anyway, my gf had no prior knowlegde or much interest in the movies i watch but she appreciates the ones i get her to watch with me and she's seen tons of movies she would never have heard of or given a secong thought to through me.

still she thinks i watch too many movies and is not always interested if i start talking about them.
if she was like 'why do u watch all that wierd stuff all the time' that would be pretty insufferable tho.

i guess i'm just fortunate
6165, My last relationship (diary of a film geek)
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-26-03 06:19 PM
The background: We had been friends for 2 years but through a mutual friend and had never hung out alone. we get to talking about "fuck buddies" and things progress from there.

In the Mood for Love– We go out to dinner, come back to my place. We had previously talked about Asian cinema. She's Chinese (Teo Chow) and I tell her I have a few Chinese films. We wind up watching In the Mood for Love but we're too into each other to pay attention. (I really wanted her to see it but I got more pussy before I was a film geek so it's a no brainer)

The Apartment/Hero – forward 3 weeks later and after spending more time together it's clear to both of us that we're going to be more than fuck buddies. She comes over, It's raining outside and we eat and watch Hero and The Apartment. (The Apartment is a perfect movie for every occasion). We're all into each other and everything is perfect.

Boogie Nights – 2 months down the line and we're clearly getting sick of each other but see each other a couple times a week but In addition to many things about her I'm beginning to dislike, it's becoming clear that her taste in movies sucks ass and it seems the only good movies she's seen are the ones she's seen at my place. I decide it's up to me to teach her about movies and I'm long past the "what would she like?" phase so I throw on one of my favorite movies Boogie Nights. She didn't like this one at all "weird movie" "too much porn" she says (she was being polite, she hated it but I didn't give a shit) That was the beginning of the end

Identity – Another month. At this point we don't get along any more and it's only a matter of time until things end. She wants to take me out for dinner for my birthday so we go out to eat and she suggests a movie. I quickly agree because neither one of us want to talk to each other. We go to see Identity. The Charlies Angels preview comes on she say’s "ooh look doesn't that look good?" I simply say "No" (without looking at her). So we see Identity, it sucks ass (she loved it of course) and we break up 3 days later.

Why the fuck did I just write all this?

Thanks for listening okayplayers *wipes tear*

Oh yeah, your question. It would be nice to find someone with similar taste as me but really I'd just like to meet someone who is intelligent and openminded enough to at least understand and respect why I like the things I like, and do what I do, and where I'm coming from.

As for appearance, my pickiness about that is a whole other post


6166, you talked about asian cinema?
Posted by ricky_BUTLER, Sun Oct-26-03 07:02 PM
>We had previously talked about Asian cinema.

wow!!

i wonder what talking about foreign films outside of "crouching tiger" or "amelie" or "life is beautiful" is like.

>I got more pussy before I was a film geek

sadly i see no change.

>The Apartment/Hero
>We're all into each other and everything is
>perfect.

i watched "city of angels" and "mallrats" once in one night with a girl. yeah, um, thats wasn't very perfect.

>it's becoming clear that her taste in
>movies sucks ass and it seems the only good movies she's
>seen are the ones she's seen at my place.

mommy's little helper, the film-knowledgeable boyfriend's vcr (but not my damn hollywood video account, money hungry bitch.)

>I throw on one of my favorite
>movies Boogie Nights. She didn't like this one at all
>That was the beginning of
>the end

everyone should have a barometer movie or movies with the lady friend(s).

>Identity
>So we see Identity, it sucks ass
>(she loved it of course) and we break up 3 days later.

i think you referenced this outing in a previous post. my tears are fallin' (c) bobby vee

>Why the fuck did I just write all this?

therapuetic

>Oh yeah, your question. It would be nice to find someone
>with similar taste as me but really I'd just like to meet
>someone who is intelligent and openminded enough to at least
>understand and respect why I like the things I like, and do
>what I do, and where I'm coming from.

they exist?
6167, RE: you talked about asian cinema?
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-26-03 07:20 PM
>>We had previously talked about Asian cinema.
>
>wow!!
>
>i wonder what talking about foreign films outside of
>"crouching tiger" or "amelie" or "life is beautiful" is
>like.

Well keep in mind she was Chinese so we were talking about movies like Shaolin Soccer. One day she brought over a copy of Internal Affairs with Tony Leung (its not out yet, someone loaned it to her) which was dope. But really she only knew about these movies because they were Chinese. So we talked about Chinese movies so not all Asian cinema per se. So it's not like we spent hours discussing Ozu or anything like that. (plus I did most of the talking)

>>I got more pussy before I was a film geek
>
>sadly i see no change.

Yeah when I was your age I could care less about movies. I mean I liked movies and all (I was even working at a video store at the time) but if it had a weird title, subtitles or was in black and white, chances were I wasn't interested at all.

But I did get laid more back then so...

>>I throw on one of my favorite
>>movies Boogie Nights. She didn't like this one at all
>>That was the beginning of
>>the end
>
>everyone should have a barometer movie or movies with the
>lady friend(s).

Damm straight

>>Oh yeah, your question. It would be nice to find someone
>>with similar taste as me but really I'd just like to meet
>>someone who is intelligent and openminded enough to at least
>>understand and respect why I like the things I like, and do
>>what I do, and where I'm coming from.
>
>they exist?

See post 6

6168, InFernal Affairs
Posted by DrNO, Sun Oct-26-03 08:38 PM
and it will never ever come out in the US, Mirimax just bought the rights and that is purgatory for asian movies.
6169, Brad Pitt's production company bought remake rights
Posted by 6FeetDeepInThought, Sun Oct-26-03 10:47 PM
They should release it here as is, it's perfectly suitable for Hollywood audiences
6170, You're missin' the point -
Posted by Dat 1, Sun Oct-26-03 08:02 PM
The fundamental question, RB - is whether or not you're just wantin' to get some or chasin' after some soul mater like Fred Durst all p-whipped over Britney Spears.

My guess is on the former 'cause ain't no tellin' what THAT girl's gonna be like in 6 months, let alone 4.

So whether or not she shares the same aesthetic appreication that you do could, but really probably doesn't factor into the equation right now.

In the event you do chance upon some female like that though, you better keep it a guarded secret lest some other guy ups and gets her from right under your nose.

Maybe agree to go see somethin' like "Tears of the Sun" on the day you just submitted a 15 page paper and got an hour of sleep; that way, you can crash while watchin' and it won't cause you grief afterwards for wastin' your time and energy on somethin' like that.
6171, i can't concentrate
Posted by ricky_BUTLER, Sun Oct-26-03 08:10 PM
with these changing names.

>The fundamental question, RB - is whether or not you're just
>wantin' to get some or chasin' after some soul mater like
>Fred Durst all p-whipped over Britney Spears.

i don't need to be pussy whipped, but like a wise man said, i don't want it if it's that easy. not looking to get pussywhipped either, but man got some pop princess right quick (and got out quick.)

>So whether or not she shares the same aesthetic appreication
>that you do could, but really probably doesn't factor into
>the equation right now.

i am progressing fast. i'm looking for the WIFE and kids right now (well, maybe not *right* now.)

>In the event you do chance upon some female like that
>though, you better keep it a guarded secret lest some other
>guy ups and gets her from right under your nose.

i have a dream that i'll be watching 8 1/2 in the library and some italian exchange student will come up and wanna watch it with.

i also feel like seeing who checked out certain movies. like, who is thinking and doing the same along with me?

>Maybe go see somethin' like "Tears of the Sun" on the day
>you just submitted a 15 page paper and got an hour of sleep;
>that way, you can crash while watchin' and it won't cause
>you grief afterwards for wastin' your time and energy on
>somethin' like that.

i got a bed and a dark room. i don't need bruce willis to put me to sleep.

6172, Onus
Posted by Dat 1, Sun Oct-26-03 08:19 PM
>with these changing names.

I guess I ought to change the PW to somethin' I can remember instead of trying to locate the e-mail in which the randomly generated sequence of letters and numbers is contained w/in - it might help, lol.

>i don't need to be pussy whipped, but like a wise man said,
>i don't want it if it's that easy. not looking to get
>pussywhipped either, but man got some pop princess right
>quick (and got out quick.)

See, that's par for the course too - you're likely going to be searchin' high and low (no Kurosawa pun intended) until you come across THE one (who's NOT gonna be perfect, but perfect for you).

>i am progressing fast. i'm looking for the WIFE and kids
>right now (well, maybe not *right* now.)

That's more than the $ 64 000 question - you settle/compromise or keep diggin' like a mofo, unrelenting in your principles?

>i have a dream that i'll be watching 8 1/2 in the library
>and some italian exchange student will come up and wanna
>watch it with.

Speakin' fluent Italian w/ that Medici-approved Florentine accent (the standard by which "proper" Italian is judged) - no Calabrian riff raff allowed - lol.

>i also feel like seeing who checked out certain movies.
>like, who is thinking and doing the same along with me?

You may as well - ain't no harm in that.

>i got a bed and a dark room. i don't need bruce willis to
>put me to sleep.

Hope the revised version made more sense - I was just talkin' makin' acute (but not dangerous) concessions if you were just tryin' to score.
6173, This is what I'm saying...
Posted by PolarbearToenails, Sun Oct-26-03 09:08 PM
>Oh yeah, your question. It would be nice to find someone
>with similar taste as me but really I'd just like to meet
>someone who is intelligent and openminded enough to at least
>understand and respect why I like the things I like, and do
>what I do, and where I'm coming from.

I've got it, and I'ma hold on TIGHT.

And she *LOVES* Wet Hot American Summer. Enough for me :).
6174, attractive hetero women
Posted by DrNO, Sun Oct-26-03 06:36 PM
don't know movies, at least the vast vast vast majority of them. Face it we're pretty much a cursed people.

Girl: So whats your major?
Me: Film

Response A: oh...... um bye.
Response B: wow i like it when movies are deep too, like "Powder"! i cry every time.

Both have happened in the past week, and up until then things were proceeding nicely.
6175, lol
Posted by ternary_star, Sun Oct-26-03 06:47 PM
it's sadly, very true

i think it's because, if a girl is fine, she's probably been told so her whole life. and she, therefore, devotes all/most of her free time to maintaining said fineness. fine girls get sick with this beauty shit - makeup, shoes, clothes, shoes, accesories, shoes...it can literally consume all their free time. so when they do go to a movie or buy a cd, it'll be the mainstream bullshit they saw on the commercial during oprah.

girls who're average/bad looking have been ignored their whole life. they ain't got shit to do on the beauty side of things, so they get into cool shit like good movies and music.

it's a sad fact of life.
6176, if only
Posted by DrNO, Sun Oct-26-03 07:15 PM
those shitty mainstream movies where nerdy girls are actually fine ass women that wear glasses had a grain of truth to them.
6177, Yeah
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-26-03 07:23 PM
like that plain jane Halle Berry in Boomerang.
6178, the holy grail
Posted by ternary_star, Sun Oct-26-03 06:41 PM
is a smart, fine-ass girl who likes good movies, good music, looks good without makeup and doesn't talk a lot.

news flash

she doesn't exist
6179, I dated one
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-26-03 06:49 PM
a few years ago who had every one those qualities. We went out a few times and like Rob in High Fidelity I never got comfortable. I wasn't where I wanted to be as a person and started losing confidence. She wound up going back to her ex boyfriend moving to NY.

I still think about that girl. I hear she's back here again and single. I think I'm gonna start stalking (just kidding)
6180, ...and Illgamesh tells his story, gather around.
Posted by Illgamesh, Mon Oct-27-03 03:32 PM
And I'll tell you about a lady friend of mine.

She wears no makeup.

She reads books. Real books. A lot of them. About anything and everything. She just finished "Lies My Teacher Told Me" and some book about the math behind mirrors, and stuff. 1430 SAT's. Perfect verbal. Artist type. Paints murals. Sculpting her own nativity. She's smarter than I am.

Good looking. Not video-hoeish. She's Irish-American, pale, a little baby fat. The type of girl who won't really stand out in a crowd, but, when you get up close, looks better than most of the type that do stand out. Beautiful.

And here we go:

Favorite movies:

L.I.E., Whale Rider, Talk to Her, and Rain.

Now, I did have something to do with her seeing most of those movies. She's not a film geek like I am, but she knows the difference between good and bad. She doesn't like crap movies, and she goes to film festivals with me, she'll watch older movies, she doesn't mind reading during movies. Silent movies don't scare her. She'll talk about movies, too. Discussions on literature, poetry, philosophy, religion (she's an aethist, I'm not quite sure what I am, but the conversations are interesting), music (she listens to good music, too. We recently went to an Interpol and a Grandaddy concert together), all that good stuff.

We watched Kar-Wai's Happy Together awhile ago. We get into arguements about Magnolia (I think its the best mainstream American movie made in the past 2 decades, she think it relies too heavily on gimicks). It's all good.

It exists, my friends. I'm very happy right now.




6181, mr. butler i understand
Posted by actualfact, Sun Oct-26-03 06:57 PM
i hate film snobs. hate them. because i hate the condescending attitude they have. i hate their wishy washiness and their willingness to stand up for bullshit films just because IFC Rant told them to. so i don't consider myself a film snob (hell, my Bad Boys 2 and The Rundown are among my favorite movies of the year while Lost In Translation is not)

that said,

there are certain simple truths about cinema that a potential significant other must subscribe to.

they must love film. sorry, i'm at a point in my life where it is my religion. i spent years denying it in pursuit of a career i didn't really want in a life i wasn't supposed to lead. i'm "out of the closet" about my passion for film now. if film is not important to you. i am not the one for you. i work at a movie theater, i read books about film, i spend the majority of time online that isn't dedicated to searching for the perfect porn site writing or reading about film. i watch anywhere from 2-4 movies a day, God Willing. My last girlfriend was gorgeous. However she talked the entire time we went to see Bourne Identity. A great film? No. But a film. Did I go Africanbongo? No. But did i break up w/ her shortly after? Was it a factor. Please believe.

if you don't know that much about film. that's cool. you don't have to be able to tell the difference between german expressionism and italian neo-realism. you don't. but you damn sure better know that widescreen is better than full screen and that episode 1 and 2 are trash. and that berry gordy's The Last Dragon is one of the greatest cinematic achievements in the history of motion picture sciences.

you don't have to know all about film. but you've got to love it. and you've got to be able to love my love for it. We should be able to watch all kinds of films together. and i'd like not to hear "that's too bloody," "this isn't in english?!" or "well, i think halle berry would've been great in it"

so for me, it's important. very important. if film is just something to do on a rainy day or as foreplay. talk to the foot.

if your favorite movies include Day of the Dead, From Dusk Til Dawn, The Killer, Fists of the White Lotus, the films of Wong Kar-Wai, Westerns, Zombie movies, Screwball Comedies, and films of Jules Jordan and John Stagliano and you are single and beautiful...i'll marry you no money down, no questions asked
6182, RE: mr. butler i understand
Posted by DrNO, Sun Oct-26-03 07:22 PM
>films of Jules Jordan and John Stagliano

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! classic.
6183, if you're gonna dream. dream big
Posted by actualfact, Sun Oct-26-03 07:26 PM
how crazy would it be if you met a girl whose favorite films were Trained Teens 2 and Buttman in Brazil and she didn't have an STD?

i don't care if that bitch was Little Foot, Long foot, i'd take her to the altar in her white dress real quick
6184, oh and
Posted by DrNO, Sun Oct-26-03 07:41 PM
the rundown is one of the best of the year. Its like a great Walter Hill movie.
6185, yes!
Posted by actualfact, Sun Oct-26-03 07:50 PM
this movie was like a first date blowjob from a girl who swallows

who woulda thought?!

i just was going to have a good time...and i got my clock cleaned.

i don't care how much you love the films of Godard and Ozu...if you didn't love Rundown. You hate all that is good in the world including Dolphins and children w/ down syndrome
6186, bad boys 2 was god awful
Posted by ternary_star, Sun Oct-26-03 07:22 PM

6187, and it was so unabashedly god awful
Posted by actualfact, Sun Oct-26-03 07:30 PM
racist, violent, mean-spirited and improbable that i couldn't help but love it. they invaded cuba?! and did they ever bother to tell us what happened to the daughter and mother of the drug dealer they put in the closet? because i don't remember them making it out before the house blew the fuck up

they haven't made a movie like this since Don Simpson was alive and doing swan dives into swimming pools of cocaine
6188, yeah, i guess if you like that sort of thing
Posted by ternary_star, Sun Oct-26-03 07:38 PM
it just gave me a fucking migrane.

i think i felt the left hemisphere of my brain rupture during the "hummer through the shantytown" scene.
6189, it took you that long?
Posted by actualfact, Sun Oct-26-03 07:44 PM
that movie was decadence defined

if there is any movie that should be put in a time capsule as a mark of where our civilization is at this point in time..it should be Bad Boys 2.
6190, yeah...you're right about that
Posted by ternary_star, Sun Oct-26-03 07:48 PM
shit reminded me of the regan 80s

are headed back to that kind of society?
6191, I think we are
Posted by actualfact, Sun Oct-26-03 07:55 PM
I don't know enough film history to know if this is an actual trend. but it seems that after a war (and we'll say the war started on september ll, 2001) there is this initial thrust of patriotic films and then a gaggle of sheer enjoyment flicks w/ this incrediblely revealing subtext.

Bad Boys 2 is the perfect post september 11 film. mindlessness, hyperviolence with no consequences and the invasion of a country?! oh yeah.

Speaking of the 80s. "They Live" was released on tuesday...


6192, RE: Film snobs
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-26-03 07:42 PM
I'm not a film student but I'm taking some classes right now, and since I'm used to being around people who don't share my enthusiasm for film, I thought it would be cool to be around a bunch of other film geeks, but I swear half the people In my class make me want to beat the shit out of them every time they speak.

I don't know, maybe I just don't like people
6193, i feel the same way
Posted by DrNO, Sun Oct-26-03 07:47 PM
those people who just love to show off how they can reference obscure films at any opportunity make me want to kill them. Im pretty sure i just hate humanity as well.
6194, damn...me too
Posted by ternary_star, Sun Oct-26-03 07:52 PM
i'm between a rock and a hard place...

i love to talk about movies, but i hate people who like to publically masturbate to their own film knowledge. and i equally hate talking/watching/thinking about the top-10 bullshit movies.

where does that leave me? self-loathing and hating humanity
6195, Only course i loved
Posted by DrNO, Sun Oct-26-03 07:56 PM
was a Cult Film class i took, all these art snobs didn't have much to say about The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
6196, every film discussion
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-26-03 08:00 PM
people feel the need to start their comment by saying "What I liked about The Bicycle Theif *this time* is..." As if somehow their comments would be more relevant if it's made aware to us that they've already seen it. "Uh oh this guy means business"
6197, haha
Posted by DrNO, Mon Oct-27-03 01:15 PM
I love it when they read into things waaaay too much just to impress the proffesor.
6198, Par for the course -
Posted by Dat 1, Sun Oct-26-03 07:50 PM
>I don't know, maybe I just don't like people

0.5 % friends - 99.5 % associates/acquaintances - I mean, you're cool and all despite carrying a torch for the Raiders, lol.

6199, Hey Raider fans are people too lol
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-26-03 08:02 PM



6200, F'real?
Posted by Dat 1, Sun Oct-26-03 08:06 PM
What era of evolution we talkin' about? Neanderthal period?

Lol.
6201, *throws Darth Vader mask at you*
Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Oct-26-03 08:10 PM

6202, just read this today:
Posted by okaycomputer, Sun Oct-26-03 08:06 PM
and this post made me think of it.



After years of merging
and allowing yourself
to be assimiliated
your hair and clothes
have turned brown.
Then one afternoon
you leave a theater
after taking in the
restored version of
"The Hero Returns" and
find yourself wanting to
be treated special.

viggo mortensen - matinee
6203, that's pretty
Posted by ricky_BUTLER, Mon Oct-27-03 06:08 AM
>viggo mortensen - matinee

i didn't know guy wrote poetry.



hopefully some good-looking girl with a beta copy of "the umbrellas of cherbourg" will be lurking in this post and will send me an inbox.
6204, not a snob, but....
Posted by atrackbrown, Mon Oct-27-03 07:20 AM
i am a very big horror fan.

cheesy 80's slasher flicks and poorly executed italian horror with lots of gore and no plot.

and romantic comedies that are schmaltzy as hell, but entertaining.

and poor quality dvd kung fu.

and teen movies.

however, choosing a s.o. based on their taste in cinema, or lack thereof, isn't a big deal. when it comes down to it, i'll force my taste upon them, and if they don't get it, we won't watch movies together. i always have my little brother to watch movies with, plus who really wants to enjoy a movie with someone who won't share your enthusiasm? just keep that for yourself.

oh yeah, and i've known other chicks with excellent taste in film; kung fu, horror, foreign, you name it, we've got it.


6205, Who gives a shit?
Posted by cantball, Mon Oct-27-03 05:01 PM
If she can appreciate a good movie,and looks good,smash Butler,smash.
6206, im starting to hate going to blockbuster with my girl
Posted by GROOVEPHI, Tue Oct-28-03 05:38 AM
and thats all i will say...its to the point now that the only good movies she recommends are ones ive seen millions of times. most of the time we rent garbage. if i wanna watch a film, a good film, i watch it alone...i cant stand when women wanna talk thru the entire film too!
ive been trying for the longest time to get her to watch citizen kane, american beauty, and for laughs cooley high and the wiz.