>BECAUSE of the immoral decisions that batman, as well as
>gordon, had to make. it's unlike your typical superhero movie
>and makes you question whut exactly defines "heroic".

sometimes part of being a hero means not looking or acting like one. sometimes tricksters/mischievous types can be heroes. that kinda thing.

it's not the the exploration of what heroism is that bothered me-- i guess it's how the questions were resolved (or moved towards resolution)...and on what grounds.

also. it kind of annoyed me that there wasn't a stronger development that answered the joker's assertion that he and batman were the same.

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>your disgust with the usage of sonar is reflected to lucious
>fox disgust to the point he was WILLING TO QUIT because he
>really wanted no part of it.

not disgusted enough to act. he was willing to quit, but didn't. i thought that was wishy-washy.

i would have liked a movie where morgan freeman turned around and lectured batman about the power of choice and the importance of community-- and what that means for people who have been given power. for starters, in theory, people in power have to observe the laws of the community. he could've thrown in a side comment about the nature of "madmen" (maybe making the point that they don't observe laws of community and society).

there's also a really unsatisfactory exploration about technology and ethics in that scene.


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>that example as well as many throughout the movie is whut made
>this movie dope to me, because being a hero vs. whut a
>perception of heroism is walking that thin line. another
>example is with rachel getting upset with bruce because bruce
>allowed dent to take the fall that he's batman...and she
>questioned the very samething that you have questioned.

being misunderstood can come with the hero schtick. i was ok with that scene.

>with ironman, i'd still can't gravitate his transformation to
>someone suddenly having a conscious, nor was i expected i
>should...it was a fun movie without any emotional
>characterization. even with the hulk film, i can sympathsize
>with bruce banner, and moreso when he's the hulk, because he's
>a misunderstood character

that was kind of hard for me to buy, too.
the heart metaphor worked for me, though.