ive seen most-to-all of sisters, carrie, dressed to kill, blow out, scarface, body double, untouchables, bonfire, carlito, MI and only a little bit of black dahlia (before i walked out). there's a LOT more to clown untouchables for other than the stairway thing. sorry i dont know all the minor low budget indie flicks he did in 1965 though.

orfeo - i saw boyz a couple years back and it did seem dated. my point is also that it was low budget but a huge breakout hit which meant a lot to people and seems to define a particular moment in time. bay & schumacher are more just about the schlock.