>Death Proof is definitely a very self-satisfied movie... and
>it IS an ode to himself as much as it is to grindhouse
>cinema.
>
>i just don't find that as bothersome as you do, though...

its not bothersome, its just bad.

>for
>one thing, i don't think of this as a real "Quentin Tarantino
>Joint" per se... it looks to me like two friends just got
>together and did a movie they thought would be fun and which
>they MUST have known would have limited appeal.
>


They never thought that. I know Quentin didn't. Weinsteins sure didn't. Nobody expected the numbers they had in the 1st week, until after the fact. Issues weren't brought up until after the fact.

>folks are acting like the commercial or artistic failure of
>this movie signals the beginning of the end of QT or RR's
>careers. i don't see that.
>

Not RR's.

But because QT tried make his part of the film, he is greatest dialogueyet, and then you finally see the final product of Death Proof, it kind of raises a red flag. And this could be the beginning of the end, if he continues down this road (no pun intended), he may fall on his face.

You know, its funny how Quentin made the character of Stuntman Mike. Stuntman Mike in the movie and his fate may be actually be Quentin.

>it was a self-indulgent idea that they both indulged in with
>their respective indulgent styles... it's them basically
>*celebrating* the fact that they're both big enough to get
>away with making movies like this.
>

i mean, over-the-top movies are made all the time. what their doing is nothing new. Particularly, Rob. Its his thing. And Quentin is always paying homages anyway.

Quentin's name is the bigger draw, and word is getting around, that the sh*t ain't that good.

And I think that is why you aren't seeing the response they had anticipated. The Weinsteins want to blame it on external factors instead of looking in the mirror.

>no... i don't think it's a stretch at all. it leapt right out
>at me because i had to piss like a racehorse at that point and
>seeing her needing to piss on screen just made it worse!
>

lol.


>
>he wanted it to be sexy... QT has a sort of pre-adolescent
>aversion to blatant sexuality so foot fetishism is a sort of
>code - a metaphor if you will - for sexuality in his movies. i
>think it's weird too, but it's just something you accept when
>you walk through the door.
>
>(i was actually surprised he focused so much on ass and tits,
>though... usually, he seems a bit scared/embarrassed to go
>there)


Yeah, i remember him saying that he hated porn movies and they repulsed them. I don't know. A lot of times I think its just schtick. He likes to put the feet in their. I think its part of his self-created mythology,than it is his psychological makeup.

In terms of the ass shots, I wished the chicks had asses. lol

I mean there were some serious ironing board ass issues with them broads in Death Proof.

>>Like you said, Rob is real about his shortcomings. But is
>>Quentin and fanbase real about Quentin's shortcomings? I
>think
>>that is the bigger question, that goes unanswered.
>
>i know there are some real QT zealots who are totally out of
>touch with reality, but i'd say *most* regular QT fans are
>pretty realistic about his strengths and weaknesses.
>

i'd be curious to know what do you think his strengths and weaknesses are, particulalry his weaknesses?