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51929, RE: Here we go...
Posted by Nettrice, Wed Jun-07-06 08:48 AM
>I can't speak to individuals, but I know that the official
>word from Elijah Muhammad was to leave Malcolm alone. It is
>well known that the organization had more than its fair share
>of zealots who were unhappy with Malcolm, viewed him as a
>traitor, and thought that he should be dealt with, but that
>doesn't speak to the head of the organization, because the
>official word was to leave him alone.

I'll jump in and say that another thing about the NOI at that time was that Elijah Muhammad's health was failing. He was no longer able to speak for the organization and keep an eye on activities within the Nation. This was also shown in the film.

My colleagues grandfather was in the Audobon ballroom at the time of Shabazz' death and she told me that everyone there saw who killed him. COINTELPRO may have been behind the murder but the people with the guns were Black...from No. 25 in Newark.

>Who are you saying bombed his house? The NOI? How do you
>know this?

I tend to go with what Malcolm X said publicly about it.

>We are a flawed people with many, many problems and anytime we
>attempt to get together on anything, there is a destructive
>mechanism that tends to take place (some identify it as the
>"Willie Lynch chip") that blocks us from gelling completely
>and often things turn out to be a total mess.

Who isn't flawed? I also don't believe that there is a chip that makes us unable to make progress. I do believe that there is conditioning and that is something that can be dealt with.

>I don't deny
>that we, as a people, have problems; but I also realize that
>this is not something that is inherent in us. It is the
>result of centuries of outside forces conditioning us and
>influencing us. I acknowledge that.

However, I believe that at the time of Shabazz' death the NOI was co-opted and corrupt...from the top down. This has nothing to do with Black people.

>At the same time, I can not turn a blind eye and ignore when
>we have been deliberately and blatantly been fucked with.
>Malcolm's murder was the result one of these instances of us
>being deliberately and blatantly being fucked with by
>outsiders who obviously did not and do not have our best
>interest at heart.

Yes but some Black folks chose to go along. It was a choice just as Malcolm X chose to leave the NOI and become a true Muslim.