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Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Dec-07-05 06:27 AM
I'll end this entire shit right here, dunny.
*takes dick out* (no homo)
*continues to take dick out* (no homo-er)
*pisses on entire thread*
*holds piss in*
*pisses in PTP's Latte Maker*
Because the history of film goes back a long, long, long, way, and before that, the history of drama goes back even further, several centuries in fact, not even I would make the horrific suggestion that 'Pulp Fiction' was actually the first production of any kind that was meant to be discussed and not watched. As much as I appreciate the straw man, and expect it, it isn't exactly what I meant.
In fact, saying that 'Pulp Fiction' was the first production of any kind that was meant to be discussed and not watched would be giving such a mediocre film far too much credit. 'Pulp Fiction's' only "firsts" have to do with marketing, not aesthetics.
Half of William Shakespeare's works had a definate discussion-driven element to them. Shakespeare did it to increase the intrigue, so people kept going to the theater and kept spending their doe. I ain't mad at him, and neither are you, because well....a lot of his shit was type ill, son.
'Pulp Fiction', however, did not take place several centuries ago, and was not a 90s arthouse film.
Pulp Fiction's lasting legacy is that it it communicated the following thought process:
"Let's not actually communicate what the movie is about, but try to out-wit our audience into seeing this movie 17 times to actually take home a helpful point"
And it took this bullshit TO THE HOLLYWOOD MEGA MOVIE LEVEL, COMPLETE WITH BIG, POPULAR CAST MEMBERS, CATCHY MARKETING, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ADVERSTISEMENTS, ETC. That 'Pulp Fiction' was ABSOLUTELY UNPRECEDENTED IN THAT IT brought independent flair to a large audience is ABSOLUTELY UNDEBATABLE, EVEN TO 'PULP FICTION' FANS!!!
If you deny what I just wrote, you are simply denying it for the sake of disagreeing with Orbit_Established, which is fucking pathetic, but understandable, afterall, my points are so strong, they probably have half of you scrambling and second-guessing your own appreciation for this film.
Half of y'all are in here like:
"wait...it really did suck...oh no it didn't...it was deeeeeeep....the little square that Uma Thurman made with her hand!!!! PROOFFFFOUUUNDD!!!!"
Mr. Orbit_Established knows very well that there exist hundreds, if not thousands of films that were made "to be discussed" and perhaps, consumed with hot drinks.
The problem is -- many of *these* types of films are:
a)Better than 'Pulp Fiction'
b)Attained little, or none of Pulp Fiction's commercial success
c)Didn't go out of their *WAY* to do things JUST SO THEY COULD TRY TO OUTSMART THEIR AUDIENCE.
Hell, fucking 'STAR WARS', a film where a lot of the action and plotline WERE EXPLICITY LAID OUT, yet actually had more WORTHY, FRUITFUL DISCUSSION WORTHY TOPICS that were NOT explicitly laid out, than bitch ass 'Pulp Fiction'. It did what 'Pulp Fiction' tried to do, in the context of forces, and swords, and dark sides and little green niggaz and shit.
The difference betweeen films like 'STAR WARS', that are good, and 'Pulp Fiction', which fucking sucked, is that 'STAR WARS' didn't *TRY* to confuse the fucking audience to be cute. It didn't need bullshit ass film *GIMMICKS* to sell coffee and make people think George Lucas was a wizard.
Think 'Star Wars' and 'Pulp Fiction' are an unfair comparison?
They actually aren't...I'm saying that a SCIENCE FICTION FILM with special effects, glitz and action had more PROFUNDITY than the allegedly PROFOUND discussion-driven film....but if you guys still have your panties in a bunch(which you do and will) let's take a film like 'DO THE RIGHT THING', far more comparable in many ways.
'DO THE RIGHT THING' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TARANTINO'S EXISTENCE ON EARTH
But that is not really my only point.
My point is that 'DTRT' was ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY MADE TO BE DISCUSSED!!!
It had some of the *MOST* profound social commentary ever communicated in a film, much of which *did* need to be teased apart in later viewing/discussions.
Hell, PTPs MODERATOR, Frank Longo, is writing a PAPER on DTRT RIGHT FUCKING NOW. DTRT has been been the beneficiary of discussion, and cross examination, and "breaking down", just like 'Pulp Fiction' has.
The difference between 'Pulp Fiction' and 'DTRT' is that Spike Lee didn't have interesting subtleties in his film JUST TO TRY AND MAKE HIMSELF SLICK AND SMART AND COOL. He actually WORKED INTERESTING SUBTLETIES INTO THE BODY OF AN EXTREMELEY PROVOCATIVE STORYLINE that actually TOLD A FUCKING STORY.
He didn't LAYER IT IN BULLSHIT ASS TRIBUTE SHOTS AND HIDDEN CAMERA ANGLES AND FUCKING STUPID IRRELEVANT MISDIRECTING DIALOGUE just so he could tell his friends:
"I bet they don't get this...he he he he..."
Like Tarantino did through the ENTIRE FUCKING movie 'Pulp Fiction'.
When I seen 'Pulp Fiction', I see a film where the director was fucking WAAAAAAAAY in love with himself, a man who suffers from some pathetic low self esteem, a man who both loves and hates black people at the same time, is a punk ass film dork who wants to be down and hip, and does so by creating a contrived piece of dookie poo.
Where the genius came in was in appealing to the unintelligence and lack of intellectual self esteem in the common man(the American film-going audience) so much that he actually got audience's to feel like him -- he needed to feel smart, so he made 'Pulp Fiction'.
You guys need to feel smart, so you liked 'Pulp Fiction'.
Real thug ass niggaz like me, on the other hand, think the Black man will never truly be free in America, think that intelligent design has no place in the classroom, think Bush doesn't care about black people, and think 'Pulp Fiction' is a bowl of thick, snoopy, snot.
Look deep inside your soul.
Y'all know I have a point.
You likely won't admit it though, so in the meantime:
*Climbs Top Turnbuckle*
*Raises hand like Macho Man Randy Savage*
*Flying Orbit-o Elbow to the PTP throat*
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