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Topic subject^^^^Standard, unsubstantiated, lame, irrational Spike Hate^^^^
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46580, ^^^^Standard, unsubstantiated, lame, irrational Spike Hate^^^^
Posted by Orbit_Established, Mon Dec-19-05 12:39 PM
>spike doesnt voice his characters, he just uses them as toys
>for him to churn out the same old rhetoric hes been wheeling
>out for almost two decades

What rhetoric do you speak of?

What "same old rhetoric" was being "wheeled out" in '25th Hour', 'He Got Game', 'Crooklyn', 'Clockers', 'Summer of Sam', 'Mo Better Blues'.......


This is what I mean about Spike hate. Its completely unfounded.

a)He tackles a diversity of issues, and so there is no "same old rhetoric": Do The Right Thing's issues were completely different than Jungle Fever's, which were completely different than Get On The Bus's which where completely different than Bamboozled's. There is no "same old rhetoric". Spike deals with an entire spectrum.

b)He uses characters for a purpose no more than any other director. He's just the only one who gets slammed for it.


c)You're a hater.



>the ending to this was fucking atrocious! spike could have
>made a good film about corporate business ethics and the
>effects it has on its employees and its relation to the
>american public or whatever but no, he just had to get on his
>sopabox about one of his usual now-tired obsessions, which
>this time was homosexuality and his ill informed
>preconceptions about it
>i dont think this film was insulting to women, i dont totally
>think it was even insulting to lesbians, they wanted a kid, he
>gave them the sperm, it was basically a business transaction,
>but that whole thread was only there so spike could do his
>little sweetback-tribute
>(i dont think he was suggesting that lesbians could be
>'converted' cos none of the women went over to the hetero side
>did they?)
>this could have been a good film but its just another case of
>spike losing all sense of narrative discipline and pacing (and
>those forced speeches thrown in for no real reason, totally
>unnecessary to the character or plot by john turturro during
>his convo with john armstrong and those embarassing speeches
>during the court case were ridiculous)
>spike didnt know what type of film to make with she hate me,
>this film was a mess