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28214, This argument, is also an abomination to humankind.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Aug-21-05 10:58 PM

And shitty.

>a metaphor is a phrase that is not literally connected to the
>thing it's describing
>saying "the metric system is a bad metaphor because it has
>nothing to do with morality" is fucking world class

And suggesting that:

Holland uses the Metric System
US uses the Imperial System

Holland allows you to drink beer in the movies
US dosent' allow you to drink beer in the movies

Is a good metaphor for differences in morality is just......hmm.......PCP induced.

>How about this: every human being has the concept of weight.
>Any quantifying terms given to weight are meaningful only to
>the person who made them. Eventually people manage to
>standardize the terms into an agreed system of measurement,
>but there will be different systems amongst different peoples,
>Similarly every human being has concepts of right and wrong,
>but they're only meaningful to themselves (subjective
>morality), eventually people manage to standardize the
>concepts (law), but there's still peoples with different

Hmm. What you just said, sucked. Not only because it has nothing to do with what Tarantino was trying to put across, but because it sucks.

Besides, you just made that horseshit up.

Every human has their own individual concept of weight. Too bad this has nothing to do with whether I decide to weigh something in pounds or grams. In fact, two people, both of whom measure things in grams, might have completely different subjective perspectives on what "light" or "heavy" is. And two people who measure objects in different units, might in fact have very similar intuitive perspectives on what constitutes a "heavy" object versus a "light" object.

So again, the system of measurement is a shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty metaphor for moral differences.

As much as I hate Tarantino, I think you are the bigger idiot for manufacturing that bullshit.

>people have different systems by which to make judgements
>you have physical judgements, and you have moral judgements

Here's what's even more retarded:

The different systems of measurement actually don't change anything about the objects themselves. 0 Kelvin and -270 degrees Celsius are exactly the same temperature. There is nothing subjective about that.

So, your metaphor continues to be shitty.

>lol. i've not seen Get on the Bus but it looks like you're
>comparing a metaphor that's developed for an entire film, with
>a metaphor that takes up a couple of lines then gives way to
>the actual subject. of course it's not as developed

Not the point. Spike Lee used an actual metaphor. To pull it off for an entire film is actually MORE DIFFICULT than to introduce oen in a little dialogue. If what you are suggesting is correct(which it isn't) Tarantino couldn't even get a minute metaphor correct.

>this is idiotic.
>did you notice the term "common usage"
>meaning outside scientific usage
>and more importantly if you were intellectually honest you
>would consider how the metric system has only been fading in
>to common vocabulary of English speaking countries over the
>last 20 or 30 years, that lots of middle-aged people didn't
>learn it at school, that the US is a particularly slow adopter
>and still hasn't officially taken to it (for general purposes
>like trade and road signs), and having considered that you
>would not make this irrelevant point about scientists (btw,
>congrats on being a scientist)


You made a terrible, terrible, terrible, connection between the use of metric system, its increased use in the United States, and its subsequent use in the criminal underworld.

I shot that down by telling you that the criminal underworld's use of the metric system is derved from the fact that science world, who constructs the instruments of measurement, including scales and syringes, uses the metric system.

>p.s. shame about that NASA probe that smashed into Mars
>because some scientist got miles and kms mixed up

Not quite correct, but ironically, he was using the metric system. Not the imperial system.

Scientists use the metric system, Have for many years.

If drug dealers use the metric system, its because syringes are marked in metric volumetric measurment, not because the criminal underworld has co-opted the metric system for some specific cultural reason. That is why that point you made was terrible.

>that doesn't even make sense. either Tarantino used a
>metaphor or I (and others) just imagined he did. you can't
>have a mixture of both

Yes you can. Maybe Tarantino did mean to communicate something with the dialogue. I think the dialogue was stupid, because if he wanted to communicate something, he simply should have communicated it and not layered it.

And while Tarantino migt have meant to communicate something, I think you got whatever he wanted to communicate dead wrong.

>what's laughable about this is that it's such a small thing
>i could have said 'dutch law' instead of 'the metric system'
>and we wouldn't even be having this discussion
>it's not like Pulp Fiction or my point relied on this


In that case you'd be admitting that the use of 'metric system' had nothing to do with the later discussion of the law, and had nothing to do with this grandiose comparison of moral codes or whatever bullshit you've put together.

>there's material to back it up or do its job immediately
>following on screen
>yet you zoom in on it like it's crucial, and talk complete
>nonsense too

No. I actually require you to tell me what the hell the metric system/imperial system discussion actually has to do with morals.

You see, my guess is better than yours:

Even if Tarantino did want to say something about morals, that discussion didn't come until LATER IN THAT CAR CONVERSATION and he used the metric/imperial system merely to INTRODUCE THE TOPIC, not as a DIRECT METAPHOR.

You see.

I hate Tarantino, and that movie, yet I've come up with a better approximation for what went on than you have.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

>i'm still laughing at you saying the metric system was a
>"colder, narrower" system of measurement
>COLDER? NARROWER? were you speaking metaphorically?

I use metaphors all the time.

"Warmth" = full of life, living, biotic, organic

"Colder" = abiotic, physical, lifeless.

I consider the imperial system "warmer" because there is a story behind each measurement -- the 'foot' being the size of an alleged actual foot, the 'yard' being the length from the king's ear to his wrist(or some approximation of that)....etc. The imperial system has origins in actual living people.

The millimeter and meter and kilometer, on the other hand, have no such story, and are therefore "colder."

You see how nicely that works? That's because I actually know how to correctly construct a metaphor.

Sort of like how I call your arguments "shitty." They stink, are repulsive, and would be best stored in a sewer somewhere. Not in this post.