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26534, RE: Hmmmm...
Posted by Nettrice, Sun Jul-24-05 10:07 PM
>No, it was *white* southern. listen to enough 3-6 or 8ball
>and you can tell the difference.

Just those two rappers? My point is to not generalize as far as dialect/accents. I'm Black and from the dirty South and you couldn't even tell when I was 16. Now my family on the other hand...some sound like Jim Bob and others sound like Junebug.

>Terrence Howard does not sound like that
>in real life. So when he decided to do the accent, he picked
>the wrong one.

The Terrence Howard I went to school with had an Cleveland, OH accent. He had hay behind the ears the first year he was in college but whatever.

>There's a tension with regard to realism in every film. It
>has to be real enough for the critics/for the audience, but
>it's still fiction.

Sure.

>Well, the entire reply depends on knowing something about the
>music in the film, hence the hip hop perspective in the
>title.

I need to hear Memphis rap music, not Southern hip-hop. That's too general. If you ask me about Louisville/KY rap music I will play some Nappy Roots.

>In this film, white.middle.upper class audiences are the
>lowest common denominator. Black, lower class audiences,
>especially southern, will identify with the flick, but they'll
>see the problems in the portrayal that the LCD sundance and NY
>times reviewers miss.

Perhaps but the Southern Black folks I talked to, who say Hustle & Flow, say it's close enough. When I sat in the theater near the Fenway (Boston) the middle-class white folks behind me frequently snickered when nothing was funny (the Black singer in church). I could hear some of them hush the others when they noticed no one else was laughing. They did not get it.

>Because it's part of that great white fantasy supported by
>black folks that will paint every black artistic endeavor with
>a broad brush.

Black folks do it, too.

>In this case, 1973-74 hip hop was not blues men material.
>Indeed it's not just the topics that make something bluesy,
>but it's how those topics are talked about. When Luke was
>doing his thing back in the day, he wasn't thinking about the
>great bluesmen of the south, and it's arguable that he was
>even listening to that when he came up with "Face down, ass
>up, that's the way.." The only connection he has, is that
>black men have liked big black female asses and sex for
>thousands of years. That doesn't mean there's an artistic
>connection.
>
>It's the same mistake that LaChappelle does in Rize, in trying
>to connect 2003-04 krumping with 1975 Afrikan dance footage.

Well, I see the connection in some (not all) things because we do have a culture and a legacy that is passed down, like I pass down 70s and 80s hip-hop and r&b to younger folks.

>Slim Thug's mama says she doesn't listen to rap, only country,
>but she's not the one rapping, Slim is.

I was talking about the young Black guys listening to country (in Cleveland), not their mothers.

>I'm not trying to step outside of that, cause more than enough
>people can give their uninformed about hip hop but allegedly
>informed about black people "minps" angle on it.

Man, I am more "hip-hop" and Southern than you think.