Moore is at his muckraking best. Save for a few obvious moments of grandstanding, he stays out of the way and let’s the facts speak for themselves. There are moments where I was on the verge of tears. There are moments where I wanted to put my fist through the wall.

Say what you want about Michael Moore. The facts don’t lie.

ima check this out this weekend

Not necessarily from himself, but anyone trying to push new public health policy?

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I am looking forward to this film and I do hope he finds people that are willing to give their opinions or solutions on how to fix the system because we all know it is mess.

Somebody sent me an alleged email link to see the movie, but it didn't work

I was heated

But I'm still amped to see it eventually
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...in the sense that EVERYONE will like it. Because I mean, who doesn't hate health insurance? Everyone along every class line, political line, racial line, ethnic line hates it, unless they're the insurance company executives. even a lot of doctors hate dealing with it, and you have a movement of some actually saying they won't deal with insurance companies at all, and instead having hte patients pay them directly through different plans. (go to www.simpd.org for more info). I hope Moore does offer some solutions or cover things like what simpd members are doing, because that has been one thing lacking from his previous works: real solutions.

It will be interesting to see if this movie can enact any change.

Saying it glamorizes the health care system in Canada to try and drive his point home. France and Britain are treated the same way.

I haven't seen it yet, but that's how he's always done it and don't expect him to change much. He just has to have two extremes in his films, even when one of them doesn't really exist.

Canada isn't perfect. I have a feeling I'll get just as upsert about him sucking off Canada as I am about how fucked up our health care system is.

he doesnt say anything outlandish about canadian health care.
..like at all.

...is that it's still better than what we have. It's a step in the right direction.

YOUR job is to offer solutions...

michael moore movies are great a creating dialog...


seriously, how you expect him to solve the war on terror, or americas fascination with gun , or health care in the US in a documentary

...just present some ideas on how to, and feature different people and their possible approaches to solving the problem.

yeah, he does a good job at presenting the problem, but i think even more dialog could be created if he went a step futher and discussed possible solutions, not necessarily THE solution.

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"In SiCKO, Michael Moore takes on America's healthcare industry. The film is very powerful, as it presents the problem of the current structure of American's healthcare system, a problem that we already know exists, but here is analyzed as closely as a proctology exam. But the point of medicine is to alleviate your problems. While Moore knows exactly what is wrong with America, his overall practice would be tremendously strengthened if he presented some, not necessarily his, remedies on how to heal the wound."

Don't steal it.

it's not supposed to solve anything nor is it about moore's solution.

you want him to add a ten point program to solve healthcare problems?

do you expect a doc about crystal meth addicts to solve the drug problem?

it is meant to expose people to the flaws/realities of the US healthcare system. he basically showed what we can do to fix things but it's not explicitly laid out. it doesn't have to be. voting, protests, holding politicians' feet to the fire...we already know the solutions. moore's job is exposure and if it inspires action, great.

i haven't seen the movie yet, but based on my reaction to his other films, i'm guessing i will really like it, and that i will recommend it to all of my friends.

HOWEVER, ALL i'm trying to say is that i'm guessing the film could be STRENGTHENED by having some ideas, not necessarily THE idea, or even just GOOD ideas without any supposed flaws, in how our country can move forward.

and i had to stop half way and take a break. I was getting really worked up. But its a damn good movie.

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Seeing as I broke my tibia last week, just had surgery on Tuesday, and am getting dicked around because I don't have any health insurance. I'm going to be working very hard and going to be very broke for a very long time if worker's comp doesn't come through for me.

I just cued it up, i'll be back later with impressions.

>Seeing as I broke my tibia last week, just had surgery on
>Tuesday, and am getting dicked around because I don't have any
>health insurance. I'm going to be working very hard and going
>to be very broke for a very long time if worker's comp doesn't
>come through for me.
>
>I just cued it up, i'll be back later with impressions.

I hope you have a speedy and healthy recovery

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really hard to swallow.

but you need NEED to see this, wether you care for Moore or not.

And it was much better than expected.

As a documentary, this kicked F-9/11's ass seven ways from Sunday. It would have been nice to see how the Canadian health care system works outside of Windsor (coughcoughruralNovaScotia'snotnearlythatnicecouch) but this was a well-made, thought provoking documentary.

It was about an issue, not about Moore confronting an issue, and I reccomend it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y755IP5R8Hg

The network made them declare Canada, rather than Cuba, the winner.

and had some really, really awful experiences with the health care system. anecdotal, of course, but... so is almost every MM doc :)

and that they were gonna declare cuba the winner based on their findings, but NBC stepped in.

looking fwd to.

...but this movie has the capacity to change the nation. Left and right alike can unite in agreeing that there is something wrong. This movie had tears in my eyes the whole time. It will make you angry and sad in ways that you didn't think possible.

I can't forget some of the things I've seen from this movie. Unforgettable. Great great great great GREAT film. And extremely important.

when it comes to health care. The insurance companies are more or less printing their own money.

I'm excited to see the film though.

I imagine that he addresses the idea of universal health care in this country on some level?

But it'd have to be a major major overhaul of everything. I study this stuff. We'd have to ultimately change our health seeking behaviors and become a healthier nation as a whole on top of the political and economic changes to the ways in which health care dollars are spent (admin, pharma, etc). We spend a ton of $ on healthcare all across the board. I'm not saying it can't happen - but given the health care system right now, it'd be a huge mistake to have a single payer system.

I haven't seen the movie and I'm looking forward to it.

>But it'd have to be a major major overhaul of everything.

Absolutely true.

>We'd have to ultimately change our health
>seeking behaviors and become a healthier nation as a whole on
>top of the political and economic changes to the ways in which
>health care dollars are spent (admin, pharma, etc).

Not necessarily true re: becoming a healthier nation. Yes, we are the fattest nation on Earth but that really shouldn't effect our ability to put a single payer, universal health care policy in play. Obviously major political, economic, and administrative changes are needed.


We spend a
>ton of $ on healthcare all across the board. I'm not saying it
>can't happen - but given the health care system right now,
>it'd be a huge mistake to have a single payer system.

Again, not necessarily. Yes, there would need to be an overhaul of how people treat the system. And we would need to change the mindsets of every American. It's not that it's impossible, it's just that there are several roadblocks in our way: mainly conservative politicians and insurance companies. And as long as the Republicans hold office, we won't have a single payer system.

>I haven't seen the movie and I'm looking forward to it.

Ditto.

>>Not necessarily true re: becoming a healthier nation. Yes, we are the fattest nation on Earth but that really shouldn't effect our ability to put a single payer, universal health care policy in play. Obviously major political, economic, and administrative changes are needed.

It would affect it to the degree that a healthier nation would cost less and make medicine more cost effective, therefore making that process of universal healthcare more feasible. Right now, its costs are so high that there's no way to pay for it. It will cost in the trillions. As it stands now with the anticipated health problems of the baby boom generation and the obesity epidemic that seems to growing in our younger generations, the costs will continue to escalate, making the cost of paying for a single payer system that much more out of reach. The literature is out there. Take a look on Medline. Healthier people and public health infrastructures supporting them are a way to ease that burden.

>>It's not that it's impossible, it's just that there are several roadblocks in our way: mainly conservative politicians and insurance companies. And as long as the Republicans hold office, we won't have a single payer system.

But its also cultural. We are a culture of excess. I agree with the points your making, absolutely. but there are other cultural and socioeconomic forces in play here that are very very powerful and like your saying, unacknowledged by our current political powers that be.

But the last numbers I saw, said that one quarter of all health care spending is on "administrative costs" aka pushing paperwork around. I've heard several folks on the Physicians for Universal Healthcare exec board (or whatever the organization is called) claim that if you take that 25% it could easily fund a single-payer system. Again I don't know if that's true, I'm a science person, not a business person, but it's an interesting proposal.

The big change that needs to be made is moving to a larger focus on preventative health care and roping in Big Pharma. Getting medication costs under control would go a long way in easing total costs in this country.

It would take a huge overhaul and a lot of time. But we just need to show that we as a nation are willing to study how to do this. Baby steps, man, baby steps. It's what the biggest movements begin as. And this film could begin those baby steps.

I didn't mean to sound so negative. I'm just saying - its really really complex. I'm devoting my career to this so I'm right on with you.

I don't really want to be a part of overhauling any people.

He really takes to task both Dem's and Republicans, he does spend a lot of time with not only the foreign health care industry but foreign society in general really rebukes the ideal that america is the greatest country on earth. makes me wanna move to france.

in greece its not pretty. but that because they dont want to pay more taxes.

he shouldve stated how the tax money we blow on defense could be going towards a kick ass social health insurance.

he just didn't want to make it look like his preference was flawed in other countries.

in other countries health care is free but you also have to bring a little envelope with cash to get looked at right away.

corruption issues in the countries in question, rather than anything inherent in nationalized medicine

Of course he realizes that other nations don't have perfect health care. The movie was about the fact that all of their citizen's get access and ours don't.

To present a totally accurate depiction of the health care system of those other nations, he would have had to add an hour to the movie.

>he shouldve stated how the tax money we blow on defense could
>be going towards a kick ass social health insurance.

i think it was touched on during the segment with the "old labour" guy from britain.

and the numbers are there for this country too. Anyone remember the Clinton health plan - really expensive and nobody wanted to pay for it. There's poll data to suggest so. So what does America do? I have no idea really.

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doesn't like 80% of our tax dollars go to defense?

And as has been pointed out, the politics don't matter here, this is real shit, people are dying out there because of bureaucracy

If cats want to sit up and front on Mike, so be it. Yeah, he's a stunt man, but I'd rather have a cat who doesn't mind going out front and taking the bullets (so to speak) than have some cold, clinical, "just turn the camera on and let it run" cat who sits back and does nothing about what's going on

Anyway, excellent film.
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and i'm not a big michael moore fan at all

i wasn't looking forward to this movie at all, but i watched it online and it really blew me away. i wasn't even really AWARE of what a fucked up quagmire our health insurance system is, and even if some of the flaws of health care systems in canada, france, and england are glossed over, it's still perfectly clear that they are serving patients far more adequately in those countries, and with a more humanitarian philosophy.

beyond the health care issues, it also really opened my eyes to what some demonized societies are really like. i won't look at france or cuba the same way again.

It made me sick to see the fat congressman with the 2 million dollar salary raking in all the cash while you had that 79 year old dude still working everyday just to be able to pay his bills.
I cried a few times.
It makes me ashamed to say I'm American. In America where we have set up this facade that America is Utopian democracy (like 1950s propaganda films) when it's really an oligarchy.
And he doesn't glamorize the Canadian and English health systems. He says peoples criticisms of it and then asks the average patient what they think. Basically the response is that it's not perfect but its a lot better than the American system.

probably the funniest thing he's done in any of his movies.

great documentary altogether. The parts in France and England were very well done.
the 9/11 cuba thing was a bit cheesy, but still interesting.

Thank God I live in Europe.

seriously.

i hope this spreads, lights a fire under the american people and we push our presidential candidates to tackle this issue head on.
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and that's sad. our politicians/media are too good at manipulation and americans are too stupid/lazy/cowardly to act. we care more about dumb shit like gas prices.

i need to find a french/brit/canadian chick to marry.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but 10 years from now we'll be in the same boat we are now.

Americans are sheep.

to spreading the word

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this was michael moore grandstanding at his absolute best. for those of you who haven't seen it, there's an aside near the end where moore mentions that in the course of making this documentary, he learned that the webmaster of the "biggest" anti-michael moore webpage on the internet was being forced to shut down due to his wife's illness. it was so bad, that the dude was using the site to beg for donations so he could pay his wife's hospital bills.

moore said he thought it was messed up that the dude should have to choose between his wife's health and free speech, so he sent the guy an anonymous check for $12,000. the website was saved and the dude posted an incredibly gracious blog to his "guardian angel", having absolutely no idea that it was michael moore.

what an amazing guy, that michael moore, huh? except he kind of undid the good deed (and then some) by revealing his "anonymous" donation in the movie. anyway, cut to, like, two weeks ago, when copies of sicko start leaking, and people start contacting the webmaster to let him know that it was michael moore who dropped the 12 g's to pay his wife's bill. you know it rocked the dude's world. you'd think he might be grateful, maybe call off the dogs. NOPE. check out his side of the story:

http://www.moorewatch.com/index.php/weblog/one_more_attempt_to_set_the_record_straight/

Crazy shit! The whole rest of the movie after that scene, I was thinking to myself "Dude probably feels like a chump right about now. I wonder how he's gonna handle this."

I got home from the movie expecting to see one of 3 things when I checked the Moorewatch.com site:

1) A blog saying basically "Thanks Mike. That's a good look fam. No hard feelings. Sorry for all the hate over the years. I'll shut the site down tomorrow as a show of gratitude for that TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR CHECK you sent me in my time of need. (And really, is there EVER a time when someone couldn't use an extra 12g's? Dude said that check came like a year later after his wife got sick, but you KNOW he wasn't trippin!)

2) A dormant site because he did what he promised in number 1. Or....

3) A blog basically calling Moore out on his grandstanding, self congratulatory bullshit (his opinion, I'm assuming. Not necessarily mine.) and detailing his reinvigorated hate of all things Michael Moore and a renewed commitment toward bringing about the eventual downfall of the Moore empire. This of course, would be accompanied with a vow to return every red cent of that TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR CHECK. Because otherwise, he'd be, y'know... A HYPOCRITE. Which among other things, is one of his biggest issues with Moore..

Not THIS fucker though! Dude's still poppin trash, but hasn't said word one about a thank you or an offer to return that money now that he knows who the actual benefactor was.

MICHAEL MOORE WON.

Either shut the site down as a show of gratitude or send the money back, take the L, and K.I.M. Really it's a L for dude either way.

But yeah, great fuckin movie. (c) Italian who just saw Rocky


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He thanks him at the bottom. Says 'despite what I think about your work intellectually, you did help me at a time when my family needed it and for that I thank you.'

>He thanks him at the bottom. Says 'despite what I think
>about your work intellectually, you did help me at a time when
>my family needed it and for that I thank you.'

Yeah, I noticed that when I went back and read it a second time.

The fact remains though, that if he's STILL comin' at Michael Moore type sideways then he's lost all moral authority to do so as long as he holds on to that money. It's like an oil company exec speaking out on America's need to invest in alternative fuels or a Philip Morris commercial telling me not to smoke.

That's just MY opinion though.


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Eff that dude for keeping the cash. Invalidates his whole rant about it (and him, period, for that matter).

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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sicko/

I thought this piece was spot-on. From the L.A. Times:

>THE BIG PICTURE

THE BIG PICTURE: Michael Moore: Showman, satirist, journalist, provocateur

Michael Moore puts a modern spin on old-fashioned showmanship.

By Patrick Goldstein
Times Staff Writer

July 3, 2007

IN Hollywood these days, burly guys like "Knocked Up's" Seth Rogen have all the heat. But no one casts a weightier shadow in the cultural zeitgeist than Michael Moore. A lightning rod for controversy, a canny self-promoter and a gifted filmmaker, Moore has been hard to avoid in recent days as he's crisscrossed the country beating the drums for "Sicko," popping up everywhere from "The Daily Show" to downtown L.A.'s skid row, where he hosted a "premiere" of the film.

A devastating dissection of the pitfalls of the U.S. healthcare system, the film opened Friday in limited release to largely admiring reviews and a warm reception at the box office. Half comedy, half muckraking horror film, "Sicko" offers testimony from regular folks who've had ruinous encounters with cold-hearted healthcare providers as well as a Moore-led pied-piper tour of countries whose healthcare systems appear shockingly better than ours.

At the center of the film, as always, is Moore. Like Bono, Spike Lee and George Clooney, he occupies that amorphous space in the pop culture given over to bold-faced names whose activism is indistinguishable from their celebrity. A walking inspiration for op-ed page pieces arguing the merits of his latest exposé, Moore has, as Clifford Odets once said of Orson Welles, "a peculiarly American audacity."

What makes Moore so compelling is that he has a cultural magnetism that seduces us while simultaneously arousing our suspicion. It's an unusually combustible equation: Infuriate + Inspire = Ambivalence. Bill Clinton's entire presidency was consumed by it. Courtney Love had it for a minute, as did Oliver Stone. Terrell Owens and Barry Bonds have brought it to the playing fields. Love 'em, hate 'em, often all at the same time.

You need a big megaphone to make such a complicated impression. "Michael Moore is out there in the crowded streets of our culture, shouting 'Do you not see what's happening in our world?' " says Paul Greengrass, the acclaimed filmmaker of "United 93" and "The Bourne Supremacy" who, like Moore, started his career in journalism. "Complexity isn't his subject, is it? It's his fierce moral clarity. His subject is our world and its injustices."

Moore also reminds Greengrass of another larger-than-life filmmaker. "There is something Wellesian about him," he says. "He has this preposterous, overblown persona that you can't help but get involved with. He has the showmanship as well as the delight Welles had in getting a rise out of people. He's also a technically brilliant filmmaker, even if you sometimes wonder — am I really getting the whole picture?"

Unlike previous generations of documentarians, who largely remained unseen behind the camera, Moore is always front and center, playing the blue-collar rube. With his signature baseball cap and shambling gait, he looks like Vince Vaughn's tubby older brother, the guy who lingers over an extra slice of pie at your local coffee shop. Moore casts himself as a wide-eyed naif, full of sympathy for the poor loser who can only afford to have one of the fingers he cuts off with a power saw reattached.

The aw-shucks persona is a pose of course, but a shrewd one, because it encourages us to let down our guard and identify with Moore's point of view. It also helps us forget how much Moore's films are shaped by sophisticated techniques of narrative fiction. "Sicko" is full of so many gripping stories that it's easy to forget it's also propelled by crafty editing, movie score, pop songs, even a "Star Wars" takeoff, all to help influence our reaction to events on screen.

Thoroughly disarmed, we rarely notice how much we are being manipulated. In "Sicko," for example, Moore takes a boatload of ailing 9/11 volunteers to the U.S.-operated detention camp in Guantanamo Bay to dramatize his contention, bolstered by various news clips, that the prisoners there are receiving splendid free healthcare, unlike our heroic volunteers. Denied entrance, Moore appears to spontaneously head for Havana, where the 9/11 workers enjoy the fruits of the country's supposedly superb healthcare system. What Moore doesn't show us is that their appearance in Havana was an entirely separate trip.

It's a small matter, but it gets at the heart of the debate over Moore's work. Do his embellishments and visual shortcuts damage his larger arguments? Do the details he conveniently leaves out — Cuba has great medical care but no political freedom while France has marvelous healthcare but astronomically high taxes — undercut his more salient point, that our healthcare system is a national disgrace?

Many journalists, including myself, have taken issue in the past with how much Moore plays fast and loose with the facts. But Moore's filmmaking peers defend his work, arguing that what he does shouldn't be confused with pure journalism.

"If you think you're seeing objective truth when you go to a Michael Moore film, you're missing the whole point," says Brett Morgen, director of the forthcoming documentary, "Chicago 10." "He's not a journalist, striving for objectivity. He's a provocateur trying to engage the viewer. Context belongs to journalism. The responsibility of a filmmaker is not to write an essay, but to create something exciting or entertaining that stays with you."

Greengrass has a great phrase to describe the moments in Moore's films that rattle those of us raised on "just the facts" documentaries. He calls Moore's work "highly interventionist," in the sense that Moore is willing to use the power of film, be it clever cutting or funny archival footage or cheap melodrama to carry the day. "His work is often intensely tabloid," Greengrass says. "But I remember from my days as an on-camera interviewer that the question that makes you sweat by the very idea of asking it is the one you should always ask. And Moore's brilliance is that he always asks that question, over and over."

At a time when programs like "The Daily Show" have thoroughly ridiculed the ineffectual "objectivity" of news gathering organizations, it seems almost quaint to be pillorying Moore for fudging the line between fact and entertainment. That line is long gone. Film is a medium of oversimplification, from Eisenstein to Spielberg.

Of course it's a stretch to portray European healthcare systems as virtual utopias. But the flaws in Moore's films aren't just the result of his political agenda. They are rooted in a paradox at the heart of his work — he's a propagandist with the keen ear of a satirist. Except for rare missteps, as in "Bowling for Columbine," when he clumsily leaves a photo of a girl killed by gun violence on the front steps of NRA guru Charlton Heston's home, Moore can't help but see the farce in most situations. There are dryly comic scenes in "Sicko" that would seem right at home in a Judd Apatow film, notably the tale of the woman who is rushed by ambulance to a hospital, but whose insurance company won't reimburse her because she didn't get the ambulance trip pre-approved.

This unerring knack for the tellingly funny anecdote that illustrates his larger point is just one of the reasons why Moore has been a true game changer in the documentary film world.

"When I started trying to get financing for my first documentary, asking for $300,000 was a big deal," Morgen says. "Now we're making movies with $10- million budgets. And the big difference is Michael Moore. He's completely changed the landscape by proving to the studios and financiers that documentaries, especially ones about social issues, can have a healthy theatrical life."

Given bigger budgets, documentary filmmakers can now afford to hire composers to score their movies or computer animation firms to provide special effects. On "Chicago 10," Morgen had the money to do 45 minutes of motion capture animation, something that would've been unthinkable in a documentary half a dozen years ago.

Even though I'm sure Moore would love to take a bow at the signing ceremony if Congress someday funds a universal healthcare system, his biggest impact may be in the world of film, where he has opened the door for a new generation of socially involved filmmakers. Moore has a lot in common with Abbie Hoffman, one of the leading lights of Morgen's "Chicago 10." Like Hoffman, Moore is a sly media-savvy showboat. But he's figured out that when you're competing for attention against the likes of Paris Hilton, subtlety isn't the weapon of choice.
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it is too light on the real problems of socialized medicine (lack of research, expense, waiting times etc.).
I was talking to a french guy at work about it and he said that the claim that house calls are free is far from the truth as well. They do cost a lot of money and the government only refunds a portion of the cost unless you have private insurance (those Americans in Pars seemed to be very well off).

Still, the treatment of uninsured Americans is really, really pathetic and needs to change and the problems posed by universal health care are slight in comparison.

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The public health care system in Canada, for example, was not something that magically appeared or was given to people by some sympathetic benevolent government. It was something that was fought for by ordinary working-class people who demanded that universal health care be a right (See Tommy Douglas and also the socialist movements in Canada during the 50s and 60s). Point being, if Americans want Universal health care, do not wait for the state to be "convinced" that it should be granted, but get involved in an organized a movement to get it done. There are plenty of established groups that could use more members and ideas.

http://www.pnhp.org/

and

http://www.sickocure.org/
(Yeah they're trading on the film's name... hopefully with Moore's consent)

Not sure if Moore brings it up in the film, but PNHP is an excellent resource especially if you're interested in the current health policies being fought over in congress.

That's a cool organization.

sickocure is very well done

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But its going to really difficult to implement. Do we really want the gov't as it stands now running healthcare? Did anyone see what happened with Medicare Part D?

I still haven't seen Sicko but I did see some of Moore's press appearances for the movie and his solution was Canada. I don't really get how that's a solution.

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Not directly related but a good read nonetheless. For anyone who saw Sicko, did Moore really champion the Clinton plan?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/06/us/politics/06health.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

or we talkin back during bill's term

here's Moore with Kucinich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4b5f3TomPo


wow no mention of kucinich or HR 676 at all in that article
ny times is soooooooo 'liberal' lol

A controversial plan among all political groups.

side graphic linked to near the article gives all candidates positions

Moore swats it out the park again. This film really nails the healthcare issue in this country, even if it falters on some of the gory details. Moore's knack for in-your-face journalism really pulls at the emotional and critical nerve centers, making all but impossible for the viewer to have some kind of response.

*Spoilers*


The scenes in Cuba were especially enlightening. We really get a chance to see that this is not an evil empire and that on some levels, socialism can work. But the pivotal scene is where the 9/11 workers meet the Cuban firefighters. That is one of the most powerful scenes in a documentary ever. So incredible to think that it really isn't about governments, but people, reinforcing my own views of "countries" as a whole and to remember that it's not the people we loathe, but their leaders.

Solid work.

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