>
>
>>The "pundits" around here are constantly saying that ALL
>>audiences need to start supporting better movies.
>
>Right, but never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, do I
>hear
>anyone, ever, talk about the bad movie tastes of WHITE
>audiences specifically. I hear black pundits foaming at the
>mouth in this regard all the time.
>
>Read on...
>
>>Perhaps you missed all the critics, white and otherwise, in
>>the press all last year bitching and moaning about the
>quality
>>of movies. Perhaps you missed them this year bitching about
>>the crappy summer movies. Perhaps you miss them constantly
>>complaining about the irrelevance of the film critic because
>>no matter how bad the reviews are, audiences are still going
>>to see these bad movies. They aren't talking just about
>White
>>Girls and Tyler Perry movies (which, in case you haven't
>>noticed, have been getting better and better reviews).
>
>Thanks for the strawman, but Tyler Perry flicks needn't be
>the only films getting bad reviews for my stance to hold:

I take this to mean that by "pundits" and "punditry" you are referring only to people posting in this forum. Fair enough. My comments are still relevant to the discussion, because I have criticized white movies on these board. Bignick has as well. Plenty of people have, and not just you. So I don't see how it's a strawman.


>White people, or white culture, is never CHARGED with having
>bad taste on account of there being unsuccessful, bad,
>terrible
>white movies.

Again, yes they are. Perhaps you just missed...

In any event, the reason you see us criticizing blacks' taste in movies is, as I have said, because I am concerned with black people. I am not really concerned about white people as a group or a culture, so if they want to have bad taste, that's on them.

>Belly?
>
>White Girls?
>
>
>Brilliant. Both of them.
>
>Neither received a lot of critical acclaim.

Because they aren't good.

>The latter was called "coonish" by snobby
>blacks.

I don't think people call Belly coonish.



>I'm right.
>
>
>>You'll have a hard time proving that the "pundits" around
>here
>>are criticizing bad black movies while supporting bad white
>>movies -- because it's not true. People like Bignick and I
>>have said time and time again that ALL audiences need to
>stop
>>supporting ALL bad movies.
>
>Well then give yourself a goddamn medal, Ghandi.
>
>Problem is:
>
>a)I never actually said that the world, and the boards, are
>full of
>evil crackers and uncle toms who laud 'Freddy Got Fingered'
>and
>chastice 'White Girls'

And I never said you said that. So, huh?


>
>b)That phantom argument doesn't have to the case for me(and
>Bags')
>central argument to hold:
>
>Do you *EVER* hear *ANYONE* talk about the poor movie tastes
>of *WHITE* people S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-A-L-L-Y???


And that doesn't matter either, for reasons I have stated already, but will repeat: I don't give a fuck about white people's taste.

>Well,
>
>People do the shit about BLACK MOVIE TASTES
>S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-A-L-L-Y all the time.

Because we are black.

If I were Indian, I might be concerned about the quality of Bollywood movies. But I'm not, so you don't see me talking shit about the taste of Indian moviegoers. If I was French, I might be complaining about the state of the French movie industry.

But I'm black, so I talk about black people.

>BigNIck and LOTS of others do it. There's a generation of
>black
>artists who are generally just player haters, but also are
>self-proclaimed vanguards who feel oppressed and sling
>bad things at black people. This brand of black artist
>is increasing in frequency and popularity. Stanley Crouch
>is sort of their Ronald Regan. White people absolutely
>love them, because they are black and chastize black art
>and tastes with veracity.

Wow. Talk about shit that's irrelevant to the discussion.


>Crouch was writing all this shit about racial commentary,
>and how brilliant was. Of course, he did that solely to
>please white people. This is the crowd me and Bags are
>referring to.

Nice to know you aren't referring to me. I don't like Pulp Fiction.

>>You just disagree with us about what is a bad movie. But,
>>really, we don't disagree that much. We all want better for
>>black people, specifically in regards to entertainment
>>industry. We just have different ideas about how to go about
>>it.
>
>Now, how is that?
>
>
>How can we get better films for black people?
>
>
>How can we get more oppotunities for black people?
>
>
>How?

By supporting the good product when it comes out and hollywood will try to duplicate that success.

One good reason to use the "white standards" of success is that hollywood is still a white place. Wayan's brothers do fairly large numbers, but most of the other successful black stuff, even Tyler Perry movies, do niche numbers. They are profitable, and a few might try to duplicate that on a similarly niche level. The major studios aren't really trying to fuck around on that level.

I'm talking about trying to acheive the success that comes with $100+ box office on the regular. The type of success that allows the studios to think about greenlighting a budget of $100 million.

Frankly, I don't think Tyler Perry-size movies will get us to that point. In fact, I think they have the opposite effect, to a certain degree, giving theestudios justification for thinking of black products solely as niche. They have known for a while that if you spend less than $10mil you stand a good chance at making your money back. But if studios only made movies on that level, they would go out of business because even if the movies were profitable they wouldn't cover studio overhead.

Anyway, I could go on, but I'm sure you'll disagree and say it's all irrelevant. Suffice it to say, that I don't think having more of these bad movies actually does much to raise employment levels for blacks in front of or behind the camera. Yeah, people are working on these movies. But there aren't any greater number of these projects. So we're still talking about the same number of people, no increase. For every Tyler Perry movie made, that's one less other black movie made. It's not then two movies made. And if the movie comes out and sucks and doesn't make money, even with Bags rushing out to see it, then next time that *will* be one less black movie made.

To a certain degree, I understand saying that once the movie is made, it should be supported, because if it bombs it's going to hurt the cause of black movies. But a truly bad movie will bomb regardless. And a movie that most people think sucks except for a niche audience of black people will cause the people putting up the money for these things to have no interest in improving the product. They will think that there's no point in trying to improve the movie because blacks will go see it regardless. And then the quality of the product goes down even further.

I'm sure you disagree. But I'm jsut stating my position.

>Now, I'm saying that we need to do something OTHER THAN
>blame BLACK movie-going tastes to fix it.

You're right. "Other than" as in "in addition to." Because even if you are one who sees every black movie, good or bad, I'm sure you would appreciate it if there were less bad ones.



>And if WHITE people can make a hit movie with two dudes
>putting each others assholes in each others faces, than black
>people should be able to do the same. Not only that, we
>should
>able to do it, and get the same box office purse, and critical
>acclaim.

How about... if neither one received any acclaim? That's what I'm looking for.

I hated Borat.

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