>>as far as films go, Irish Americans don't seem to really
>>even support GOOD Irish films like that, let alone bad ones.
>
>Yep.

yeah I don't get that.

... actually I do: most Irish-Americans today are fully integrated and assimilated into mainstream middle-class America; shit, the majority of them are Republicans now (*vomits*) So outside of singing Danny Boy and eating corned beef & cabbage on St. Patty's day, most don't really have an 'ethnic' identity in any meaningful sense anymore and have just become... average white-bread Americans (*sheds single tear*)



>Sure, but I actually worked at a movie theatre when 'Bronx
>Tale'
>came out and every single Italian person from the Bronx came
>to see that movie. Every single American person didn't.

of course, that was a story about their specific neighborhood by a guy from the neighborhood. but Italians nationwide didn't come out to see it like that, and the movie lost money even though it was a very good film. but generally speaking, with the Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino, etc. movies, Americans all across the board go to see them. so yeah it is hard to draw direct parallels here.



>I mean, again, its sort of complicated because there are lots
>of confounding factors there and a direct parallel can't
>quite be drawn. I could sketch out each element, but the
>payoff wouldn't be big enough, given that none of my
>arguments hinges on that little detail.
>
>I'm willing to just say I should have been clearer or not
>said it.

oh I mean in general terms yeah I know what you are saying and agree. in terms of films though, yeah it is sort of complicated, for the above reasons and others.


>Yep! They sure do. Funny thing is, their internal backlash
>contingency is faaaaaaar less visible than "ours."
>
>Our absolutely most educated, and wealthiest are the ones
>who author the backlashes.
>
>Much of the Italian community's backlashers do so for
>Catholic reasons and stuff(not to say there aren't some
>parallels...its just sorta complicated).

yeah it's mostly those Knights of Columbus type organizations.

it was funny, they even addressed this issue in the Sopranos one time, Dr. Melfi and her family were discussing it over dinner & her ex-husband was like "you don't see the Scots-Irish complaining that they were portrayed as violent gunfighters and cattle rustlers in old Westerns, so why should it bother us?" Layers upon layers of parallels - LOL.

>>so as far as films/TV go, I dunno. but in general terms of
>>them supporting their own in many areas, yeah of course.
>
>
>Yeah, that's sort of what I meant. The post was about "the
>arts."
>
>I was extrapolating it to entertainment as a whole. Everyone
>ethnically cheerleads in some way, shape, or form.
>
>It isn't any worse when black people do it. Thats all I'm
>saying.

yeah I know & I agree with that. the specific issue here though is about cheerleading for wack shit that you know is wack just because it's your people. where I think the parallels don't match up with other groups is that they have more opportunities to produce a wider variety of material, so when they support their stuff they aren't pigeonholed for just cheering the low-brow stuff. But because the studios disproportionately greenlight & produce that type of fare wrt black movies, when black folks go out and support black movies they do get pigeonholed for it.

so yeah it's not any worse when black people do it, but that unfairly becomes the perception. as for what the solution to that is, I don't know. there really aren't any easy answers I don't think.