Serious, y'all be wilin' with the automatic
praise for anything Scorcese makes.

A lot of his shit be mediocre, really.

>it came up empty, it doesnt really bring anything new to the
>table.

Empty?

Empty?

You mean like a movie about a guy who owns a Casino and
can't keep his slut ass wife from running around? you mean a
movie about a guy who owns a Casino who has an acquaintance
who goes too far?

How about that for empty?


>You couldnt really understand the Frank Lucas character
>(iuno, maybe he wasnt that interesting to begin with).

Uh. He was perfectly described. His connection to Bumpy
Johnson. HOW he came up with the great idea to cut out
the middleman. The METHOD by which he ran his operation,
and WHY LUCAS HAD THE SET OF VALUES THAT HE DID:

a)He was a country boy and relied on family values.
He wasn't raised in the hyper-independent urban
north, but in the rural south. This informed how
he organized his crime family.

b)He was around Bumpy Johnson, who learned his craft
from the Italians, who mastered the family business
aspect. This also informed Lucas's strategies.

That explained EVERYTHING that Lucas did the entire
movie.

Perfectly.


So actually, you're dead fucking wrong about that.


>IF this
>isnt a film bout Frank Lucas, but about...what it means to be
>an American as opposed to any other type of "gangster" then it
>shoulda been some sort of take on what being a gangster in
>America does and means. but it doesnt really happen in an
interesting way...

What in god's name is this paragraph about?

It was about the rise and fall of Frank Lucas.

Not sure what movie you saw.

It did that perfectly.

And the "gangster" in 'American Gangster' was no
more or less a metaphor for any other type of 'gangster'
than in any other mobster movie, so I'm not sure wtf
you're talking about.

If you watch the 'Godfather', its about a family.

That's what its about.

Can the values depicted in the film
be extrapolated to general principles
of kinship, and loyalty, etc?

Sure they can.

But the film didn't TRY to do that. The film told the story
about the Corleone family.

Same with Lucas and 'American Gangster'.

'American Gangster' is not the same brand of film
as the Godfather, though. Its more of a hybrid of
Godfather(a film its inferior to) and Scarface(a film
its far superior to).


>Casino explored a time and era that hadn't been done before.
>its documentary-like in some ways.

Lol. Are you fucking serious?

a)there are plenty of movies about gambling and shit

b)One of your friends in this very post said they
liked it "even though it was over the top."

So how can it be BOTH "over the top" and "documentary-like?"

Answer: Its not "documentary-like" at all. It wasn't
intended to be realistic, at all. It was meant to
be entertaining, and it was barely that.


>ppl who dont like it
>usually just dont find the subject matter appealing. nothing
>wrong with that. a first-person narrative about how it worked
>back then, conflicting views on las vegas back in the mob
>days, and how this conflict brought it all down.

No, people don't like it because it was a clumsily made
film, with horrible characters and contrived interactions.

It has nothing to do with the setting.

Hell, 'Bugsy' was about gambling and casinos and shit too,
and I fucking loved that.




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