>>Never said we had to be
>>like each other, however i
>>find it strange that only
>>blacks and browns are at
>>high ass rates for the
>>disease despite we only make
>>up 24% of the population
>>put together, yet 60% of
>>the population is damn near
>>drama free. This is not
>>to say that that 60%
>>has a miracle drug however
>>they do have the POWER
>>to lower the rates. But
>>considering all the babies that
>>blacks and brown produce i
>>guess they need some form
>>of population control. Which i
>>see to be the same
>>thing happening in Africa. especially
>>since white farmers are being
>>made to flee from some
>>countries.
>
>It's strange, just look around you,
>there are plenty of reasons
>and it's not that Whites
>all got together and are
>hiding somethign from brown people.
>
>
Simply put: If you hold out on resources then yes you are hiding something.
>
>>>Just because white communities aren't
>>>having as many teenage pregnancies
>>>doesn't mean they're hiding them.
>>>You're basically assuming that these
>>>white communities HAVE to be
>>>like the Black ones.
>>>
>>No they don't have to be
>>like black ones, hell even
>>if we had the equal
>>economic levels and so on
>>we still wouldn't be alike.
>
>But if we had the same
>access to information, health care
>and similar attitudes towards sex,
>things would be a lot
>closer.

BINGO: IF we had the same access to information, health care ...as for similar attitudes, are you saying all middle income whites feel this way/all poor blacks feel this way?
>
>>However abortion has always been more
>>exceptable amongst whites than blacks.
>>Many black women think of
>>an abortion as taboo and
>>will encourage their daughters to
>>have a child rather than
>>abort. The same goes for
>>latinos.
>
>How many Blacks do you know
>of that have blown up
>abortion clinics?
>
How many blacks you know fight for pro-choice, protesting and such?

>Regardless, I think that few of
>them are getting to the
>point where they need an
>abortion (Since the pregnancy rates
>are so much lower in
>the first place) and many
>of them wouldn't abort either,
>with the heavy presence of
>Right Wing conservatives infesting the
>burbs, I don't see it
>happening very often.
>
I hope your not saying that white burbanites would have kids based on RightWing groups.

>IMHO, they are more likely to
>simply send the child "to
>aunt patties house" and have
>her give up the child
>for adoption.
>
Have you seen the low rate of white kids in adoption? Do you think whites would adopting over seas from Romania if the likely white girl were to take that route?

>>I get some of what your
>>saying but what is your
>>point for why blacks are
>>at high rates for AIDS
>>compared to whites? Cause I
>>know married black couples without
>>kids and singles without kids
>>or disease, and as far
>>as my friends go I'm
>>the only one with a
>>child, so are you saying
>>that the majority of blacks
>>don't hold not having kids
>>until marriage as a high
>>priority?
>
>I'm saying we don't place the
>same stigma on having illegitamate
>kids as Whites do. When
>you don't have the same
>Stigma you don't worry about
>it as much.
>
I really don't think thats the case considering the outof wed births that white female celebraties are making popular. And it is a stigma in the black community cause everyone knows that if it happens you become a statistic in everyones eyes(b&w). No one
wants to be a statistic.

>Do you think Black families are
>as ashamed as White ones
>to tell people that their
>16 year old daughter is
>pregnant, do you think that
>girl experiences as much of
>a "social cut" from those
>around her?
>
How many black teens do you know that what pregnant and what was their families reaction? Believe the shit is looked down on and yes the girl is given a social cut, however the girl is not thrown out of the family if thats what your getting at, but she might receive a beat down, no lie.

>Growing up, White girl around me
>got pregnant, it was pretty
>much social death. Guy skipped
>town, no one would really
>talk to her, when she
>came back to school, they
>refused to let her be
>on the Cheerleading Squad, she
>was made fun of, etc,
>etc...she had to transfer to
>a new school and her
>family moved away. In the
>new town, the passed the
>girl off as the girl's
>younger sister.
>
That sounds like some 1960 shit and if that be the case then I'm pretty sure white girls are aborting their asses off.
Anyway as I come to think of it, back in 96 in MPLS I was talking with my roomy(whitemiddleclass, Iowa) and she was telling me of how her and her best friend would have each others backs when taking pregnancy test and without me even asking what she would have done with the kid she told me '...because i knew I couldn't keep it'. Now I doubt that she was talking about giving it up, considering she was modeling. What good is a model with stretch marks?

>Know any Black families that would
>happen too?
>
Yeah back in 1960, but that goes for white families too.

>In fact, if a girl got
>pregnant around me, it was
>a given she was moving
>away/going to a different school,
>it was too much to
>deal with.
>
>
>>>
>>>Planned Parenthood: It's a Standard Operating
>>>Procedure amongst a lot of
>>>the people I grew up
>>>around and went to college
>>>with. If a girl becomes
>>>very sexually active with a
>>>boyfriend or is just promiscuos,
>>>she goes to PP to
>>>get on the pill, get
>>>a Diaphram, get a depo
>>>shot, even in high school
>>>(My high school discretely provided
>>>the information).
>>
>>But you grew up in the
>>burbs, how many PP's are
>>in the city where a
>>prodominate number of blacks live?
>>In my town 0.
>
>Exactly...less birth control availability is going
>to cause more pregnancies and
>transmission of disease.
>
Why we still on this shit?
>>>
>>>It's a different environment when it
>>>comes to safe sex and
>>>pregnancy.....of course this is more
>>>true with middle class white
>>>communities then Blue Collar/Low Income
>>>ones.
>>>
>>But if you gave both the
>>SAME(EQUAL) options and facilities then
>>things might not be so
>>different.
>
>Agreed.
>
>>>As for abortions....in a small community,
>>>it's hard to keep things
>>>secret and a lot of
>>>girls can't get them as
>>>teens, and like I said,
>>>in that different environment, it's
>>>all that neccessary.
>>>
If somebody wants to get an abortion bad enough and be secretive about, they will find a way.
>>>>>
>>>>>How about better health and sex
>>>>>education?
>>>>
>>>>Your right, unfortunately I have yet
>>>>to see a PlanParenthood in
>>>>a black community. And considering
>>>>'inner city' schools are at
>>>>the bottom of the barrel
>>>>(inChicago)I guess "inner city" kids
>>>>aren't getting the needed education.
>>>
>>>I'm in 100% agreement with you.
>>>When I was in high
>>>school my girlfriend and I
>>>just went down there after
>>>school and she was able
>>>to get the Birth Control
>>>pill, no muss no fuss.
>>>
>>>
>>>How many Inner city kids have
>>>that option?
>>>
>>>How many of them fear pregnancy
>>>like middle class kids do?
>>>
>>MANY, no one wants to conitue
>>to live in poverty and
>>everyone wants something better for
>>their kids than what they
>>had.
>
>But look at their actions.
>
>70% of White kids aren't born
>out of wedlock.
>
But still the RESOURCES to achieve that goal are not in BLACK communities.
>>>
>>>I've never heard of inner city
>>>kids hiding their pregnancies, or
>>>killing their babies because they're
>>>afraid of their parents finding
>>>out.
>>>
>>well you grew up in the
>>burbs, so how could you
>>know.
>
>Touche'
>
>But I doubt the fear/stigma is
>as high.
>
>If I started dating a woman
>with a child who had
>the child when she was
>in her teens, I doubt
>my suburbanite friends would be
>very accepting of her.

What that got to do with this. Hell i know men raised by they mommas they don't date women with kids and avoid it at all cost.
>
>Most of my family, some of
>my Black friends who grew
>up in the inner city,
>wouldn't blink, nor would they
>care.
>
Okay your burby friends would look at you cross-eye for dating a women with a kid half her age, yet your black friends would just yarn?
>
>Peace,
>
>
>
>
>
>M2

M2 you confusing the hell out of me. I'm just saying if you don't give equal advantage to people you can't expect equal outcomes. Blacks do not up hold out of wedlock kids as something great, everyone would want their child to marry, have a good education, and career before having a kid. Stop making it seem like Blacks don't want or value these things.

I'm out