>>well, i would find it problematic.
>
>"I'm African, African, not African Merican, I take it back
>to my origin, tho' I wasn't born in Ghana, Africa's my
>momma......"
>
>not dp's xact words, but you get where I'm goin' with this.


yeah, i know where you're going, except i think it obscures more than it clarifies. but i've said it



>>after a certain number of generations, don't you stop being
>>an immigrant?
>
>Actually, I don't think so. Everyone here (with the
>exception of indigeneous native americans) are immigrants.


are the bantu in south africa immigrants? i mean, at what point do people stop being immigrants? i'd say at the point when they are no longer recognizable to people of the culture they left as being one of them.



>>yes, well, there were protests against capitalism since the
>>beginning of capitalism, no? the luddites, the diggers etc.
>> but also, people at the top of the capitalist heap start
>>having different feelings when they are no longer at the
>>top, and europeans are conscious that the world now lives
>>under PaX Americana.
>
>While I agree that there schisms among Europeans, I still
>think it's appropriate to analyze them as a collective
>whole.
>
>And, I think their hate of American capitalism is convenient
>and comes from their realization that they're no longer on
>top. If they had the upper-hand, I doubt they'd have any
>probs with commercialism.


well, but they did. i mean, look, it was a european named karl marx who wrote one of the first critiques of capitalism. there were socialists all over europe, and i should also say that the french workers party was co-founded by marx's haitian son-in-law, paul larfargue, and the british communist party was co-founded by the indian r p dutt. i mean, europeans *suffered* under capitalism, and the dark satanic mills of manchester before it was exported to the colonies.




>>i'm kidding, but while YT is YT wrt to racism, and i find
>>claims that europe is less racist to be laughable, i think
>>it's very important to remember that europe is much more
>>left-wing than the us.
>
>Yeah...I agree that they tilt towards the left. But the way
>I see it, they remind me of Democrats whose humanitarian
>agenda is superficial. They protest all social ills that
>they're responsible for manufacturing.


I *wish* the Democrats were as left-wing as the main European parties. we'd have socialized medecine. but of course they should protest the ills their govt's are manufacturing. that's precisely their ethical responsibility.

i don't know, motivation is whatever to me. like my homey voltaire said, a man could be virtuous to impress his mistress but who cares? he's being virtuous and that's what counts. sure the europeans would protest less about the US if they weren't also experiencing powerlessness, but so what? i mean, wouldn't you protest less if you weren't an urban af-am? i'd protest less if i was a colored girl. so what if part of our protest is for our own gain? our gain counts too.