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>>Also, please undulge me, where were John Winthrop and the
>>Puritans from already?
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>Holland, Germany, Switzerland & you're right.... mainly from England.

That area (north of the alps, basically) has been known for being more or less (but mostly more) puritanistic ever since long before even the countries of europe were shaped.

You said that english wasn't the birthplace of capitalism, but isn't puranism the culture that created capitalism? That makes England a part of it, along with Holland, Germany, Switzerland and so on..

tell me if i'm wrong