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7981, RE: whites vs europeans
Posted by MFreeman, Wed Jul-10-02 06:00 PM
>are they? i'd like to see some figures. i know that a
>tremendous amount of emigration comes from eastern europe.

One of the reasons why I made post 107. I'm far more concerned with the discrimination of non-Europeans.

>i say this bc i know for example, despite the cliches, that
>most of the illegal immigrants in the US are Canadians
>(presumably whites).

But the thing is, treatment of immigrants is also racist in itself. Because of their whiteness, they don't experience the same form of institutional racism that's imposed on Latino, Blacks and Asians.

>The need to impose one's culture over
>>another is a European invention.
>
>is it? from when?

Well...since the start of European civilization, Europeans felt the need to go into foreign lands to spread their "civilized" ways.

>but is the question superiority? i mean, you could be a
>total relativist, and still think that your community's
>mores are worth preserving through the local governing
>institutions to the point that foreigners will have to adapt
>to your ways to live amongst you.

I think it is a question of cultural superiority, at least Europeans' assertion of that. It's fine if they want to preserve their traditions but to claim that your traditions are unmatched by any other is cultural elitism/snobbery at its worst.

I mean really...why is it that VanGogh, Bodacelli, Voltaire and Beethoven is common knowledge to East Asians, Latin Americans and all other groups but Europeans don't have the same mutual respect of other cultures? The respect/admiration is one-sided.

>
>seriously tho, people all over the world hate american
>hegemony and consume american pop culture. and let's not
>forget the extent to which american pop culture is af-am pop
>culture. nor should we forget the extent to which the
>popularity of (af)am pop culture is a function of american
>imperialism. like wheat and milk, american companies dump
>pop culture in third world countries until the markets are
>broken.
>
>ps. why o why, mfreeman, are you using this rush
>limbaughesque argument about oh, europeans hate america but
>they eat big macs? while my own tastes in pop culture are
>perfectly in line with my politics, i think it's a little
>much to say europeans are hypocritical to protest the wto
>when they sent eminem to the top of the charts.

Actually, I agree with you there. It's better being a self-professed hypocrite than blissfully ignorant.

>pps. thanks for the help the other day. one day i will stop
>trying to do clever things with my computer.

No problem.