>No Constantine wasn't a theologian, but as emporer he had
>influence in the Church, and he desperately wanted unity in
>his realm. He knew there was a division among the Greek
>speaking bishops and the Latin speaking bishops as to the
>realtionship of the Son to the Father. In 325 he called for
>the council of bishops at Nicea, which was in the Greek
>speaking part of the empire. Somewhere between 350 and 318
>bishops showed up, which was only a minority of the bishops,
>and the majority of them were from the Greek speaking
>region, so the council was biased. After fierce debates,
>the Nicene Creed came out with a HEAVY bias toward
>Trinitarian thought. Debate continued to rage on for
>decades, more councils were called, more emporers got
>involved, and eventually banishment was used to force
>conformity. (Can you believe that? Believe in the Trinity,
>or you are banished from the empire...WOW.)

Response: Uh you forgot the part of how athanasius was also banned and cornered at his house by non trinitarians and had to sneek out of the back in order to save his own life. And you also forgot to mention that the reason for the council being so late was becuase of church persecution, if members of the church were to gather together in one spot, they would be in a world of trouble.

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>And I can name a bunch who knew and understood that Jesus
>was not God:
>Justin Martyr said that Jesus was "other than the God who
>made all things", and that Jesus "never did anything except
>what the Creator willed him to do."

Response: And there are others who believed such as Ignatius. By the way I notice that non of your qoutes have page numbers of books that one could go and research this for themselves. I can show you my source for church fathers.
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>>And finally, the word Trinity is not found in the Bible
>I don't use this argument, but I do find it odd that the
>IDEA of the Trinity ISN'T EVEN IN THE BIBLE!! Not in the
>Old Testament or the New:

Response: Actually the word Jehovah is not in the Bible either, but that never stopped you guys.

>I doubt it...I doubt it VERY SERIOUSLY. TRINITARIAN
>CLERGYMEN AND SCHOLARS (who can't even agree on the doctrine
>themselves) have been trying to explain it for almost 1700
>years, and haven't been able to do so adequately, but you
>think you are gonna do it in a few minutes on
>okayplayer.com? RIIIIGHT....

Response: Well I have explained it pretty well so far, any questions?