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779, Last one, unless ya got something better
Posted by osoclasi, Sat May-29-04 11:57 AM
Alright I will answer this one, then I think I am going to be ghost, there are close to 300 post, and I have answered everything.

>Reply4: Paul is obviously not teaching Christ is an
>attribute. This is evident by verse 30. Christ has "become
>to us Wisdom". How did he become Wisdom to them? By
>personifying the attribute, teaching them.

Respnse: That is crap, he became wisdom to us by teaching us about salvationm, since that is what the verse is talking about.

We further know
>he is not the attribute from Col 2:3, where wisdom (the
>attribute is in him). It makes no sense to say he is in
>himself. Obviously the attribute vs. the personification.

Response: knowldge is attributed to him there as well, are you now saying that knowledge is being personified as well? And actually he is refuting proto gnosticm which boasted of having secret knowledge, that is why Paul is saying Christ is all wisdom and he is the fullness of diety in bodily form, because the body was viewed as bad.
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>>Reply4: This has been my position from the beginning. Let
>me break it down for you.
>
>Christ is the personifier of Wisdom.
>When "Wisdom" is speaking, because an attribute cannot
>speak, the personifier is doing it.
>Christ is the personifier because all the treasures of
>wisdom dwell in him, but because of this, we also know that
>he is not the attribute.

Response: All treasuer and wisdom have nothing to do with Proverbs, Paul does not call him an attribute but wisdom himself, he became wisdom of salvation for our sakes, again having nothing to do with proverbs 8. This is acutally quite simple
>>Reply4: Scripture is Col 2:3 and 1 Cor 1:30 that
>demonstrate Christ is not the attribute.

Response: Boy context means nothing to you does it, you just spit out verses as long as they got the same word in it.
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>Reply4: Nope, Paul does not argue that Christ is the
>attribute. This is nothing more than your assumption.
>Verse 30 does not allow for it to be the attribute, for
>Christ cannot become an attribute.

Response: No he is talknig about salvation, oh nevermind you aer not interested in context.
>>Reply4: LOL. You are confused. The context of the
>statement was regarding cases where the feminine noun is
>applied to a male, such as congregator to Solomon. It has
>no bearing when there is a masculine and feminine form of
>the SAME word. See, again you are ASSUMING Wisdom is a
>female. This is entirely your assumption.

Response: Well that is because I realize that when you personify something you make it a person. Since abstract nouns can be different than there referent Solomon could have been talking about a male all along. And used *he*
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>>>>Reply4: AMONAH is the feminine form of AMON, which, if the
>referent is feminine, is the form that is used. The quote
>was in reference to places where there is not a form that
>matches the gender of the referent.

Respnse: So therefore wisdom could have been a he.
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>Reply4: The writings of the prophets are what consistuted
>the beginning of the gospel.

Response: The thing written in the prophets was the prediction of JOhn the baptist coming, not lining up the gospel with the prophets. At least that is what Mark says.

>Reply4: READ WHAT I AM WRITING. The beginning of the
>gospel = what is written in the prophets. That is what is
>being argued.

Response: That is not what Mark says, he is talkng about John's coming, not equating them with the prophets.
>
>>Response: George,Malachi, time to get your boy, he's done.
>
>Reply4: I'm done? LOL. I've lost track of how many points
>you've either conceded or just stopped replying to me about.

Response: Yep you are doine and I am tired, when I conceded either you had a good point, or I double checked with my professor and changed my mind, and if I stopped replying it is because there three hundred post on here, and I, by myself cannot get to them all, trust me I am tired. If you have not noticed I replyed to everyone on here, alone. So if you really want to keep discussing or want to keep in contact I am ont leavnig the site totally, so you can hook up with me later or I can inbox me. But three hundred post is a little much, I'd like it to be more casual.