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>Reply2: This is a complete misrepresentation of our
>position. Jesus is the personifier of the attribute of
>Wisdom, he is not the attribute itself. That is the point.


Response: Umm that is not what Paul says. 1 Cor 1:24 " Christ, the power of God, and **THE WISDOM OF GOD***.

Now Toney can you show me in the text where it says that Christ is only the personifier of wisdom and not the attribute? Because according to Paul Christ is the attribute.

I mean you did use this verse to support you did'nt you?
>Reply2: Yes, Christ is accurate, for all of wisdom dwells
>in him (Col 2:3).

Response: But where does it say that Christ is only a personifier? I mean it seems from this verse that he is wisdom, and you say he is created so unless you want to admit that you are reading personifier into the text, God was once wisdomless.
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>Reply2: Strawman at its best, yet again. It is wisdom
>personified that is speaking, which is Christ, for he is the
>personifier. When the personifier speaks, he is speaking of
>himself.

Response: Can you show me that last statement in scripture? I want to read it for myself, because you would never ever add anything to the text now would you Toney? Besides Paul seems pretty clear that Jesus is wisdom, he does not say what your saying. Must be the New NWT or something.
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>Reply2: No. The things Wisdom says in Proverbs 8 is the
>personifier speaking. He is speaking of himself, as Wisdom,
>hence the personal pronouns, ect.

Response: Paul says that is wisdom spealking 100%, remember you applied this verse to Proverbs not me.
>Reply2: Actually, thank you, this proves our point
>perfectly. Sometimes the gender of the noun and the gender
>of the person clash. This is the case with Solomon as the
>congregator. In light of Wisdom also being a feminine noun,
>the masculine AMON demonstrates that natural gender of the
>person, just as the application of congregator to Solomon
>demonstrates the natural gender.

Response: Or Amon being masucline can have a femine referent. No problem.
>>Reply2: Yes, it does, because the gender of the person is
>masculine! If the gender of the person were feminine, it
>would say AMONAH.

Response: No it can have amon and still be feminine, amon is an abstract noun.
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>Reply2: Better look a bit closer. Yes, its start, not the
>starter. In other words, the first part of it, just like
>Jesus is the first part of the group of creation at Rev
>3:14.

Response: No Mark is presenting all of the gospel not part of it. And the subjective would read like this. Jesus Christ gospel began by the will of God...

A partitive has to be part of a whole, Mark is not presenting part of the gospel, he is presenting all of it.
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>Reply2: Mark 1:1 works against you here, because it is not
>in reference to the starter, as you would argue for Rev
>3:14, but the initial part, the first one.

Response: No he is presenting all of the gospel not part of it.

Oso flips back, the screen gets dark, he grabs tony's head and FINISH HIM.