>>Reply4: I put the applicable entry. I don't mean to say
>>Christ is being represented by Wisdom, I mean to say EXACTLY
>>what I said.
>
>Response: Now you switched who is representing who now in
>Proverbs 8. Looks to me that wisdom is being personified
>not Christ.
>
>Christ is the personifier of Wisdom,
>
>Response: How do you gather that from proverbs 8? Christ is
>not even mentioned in the passage.

Reply5: The same way the early church writers and protestant commentators did probably! The parallels between Christ and wisdom, the fact that he is identified as Wisdom in the NT.

>
> when when
>>Wisdom is personified in Proverbs at, as the personifier of
>>it, it is Christ.
>
>Response: So how can wisdom be the representer of CHrist and
>Christ be the personifier of wisdom all at the same time?
>And how do you gather that from proverbs 8?

Reply5: Christ is the one that personifies Wisdom. So when wisdom is personified, Christ is the one doing it, as he did in the parallel accounts I showed you.

>
> As for understanding, as I pointed out,
>>Prov 8:14 identifies this to be the same as who Wisdom is.
>>For knowledge, please show me where knowledge is
>>personified. If it is not personified, how is there a
>>person who is the personifier? There can't be!
>
>Response: They are all used by God in the same context of
>creation it would be strang that one is a person and the
>others are not.

Reply5: Wisdom is not a person in itself, but the attribute is personified by a person. I am not aware of knowledge being personified anywhere. Perhaps you can point me to such a place.

>
>>Reply4: It is not supposed to be a "problem" but it
>>demonstrates that the grammatical gender can be feminine
>>(ala Prov 8) but the natural gender is masculine (as the use
>>of AMON in prov 8:30 demonstrates).
>
>Response: as an architech, she is not an architech.

Reply5: Wisdom is called such in verse 30, with the masculine AMON. Are you disputing this???

>
>>Reply4: And in Prov 8 Wisdom is called AMON, not AMONAH.
>
>Response: Actually she is like an architech.

Reply5: Again, do you deny that Solomon used the masculine instead of the feminine?

>>
>>>>>>Reply2: Yes, and thus Wisdom = beginning, just like Christ
>>>>>>= beginning (Rev 3:14).
>>>
>>>Response: You mean originator. You are doing fuzzy math
>>>here.

Reply5: As I highlighted in the other thread, it does not mean originator.

>>Reply4: I've actually studied every use of ARCH in both the
>>LXX and GNT, and when used as at Rev 3:14, it is almost
>>unquestionably used with a first in time meaning.
>
>Response: But you are ignoring the fact that it also means
>ruler as in eph 5.

Reply5: ARCH does not even appear in Eph 5. Perhaps you mean the PLURAL in verse 6. The plural is used for ruler, but this is uncommon for the singular. Rather, in cases of the singular, ARCWN is used.

>>>Reply4: And Prov 8:30's use of AMON tells us that the
>>natural gender is actually male!
>
>Response: NOt if she is being compared.

Reply5: I see no comparison taking place.

>>
>I am in a rush right now and not at home i will try to
>respond to the rest later.


Very well,
Tony