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750, RE: Christ as Wisdom
Posted by guest, Wed May-26-04 04:39 AM
>>This is interesting, because Christ seemed to identify
>>himself as such.
>
>Response: First of all before you go jumping out of context,
>in Proverbs wisdom is used as a guide for living a godly
>life style. Therefore proverbs 8 should be read in light of
>proverbs 1-9 since they all have the same context. For
>instance if Christ is wisdom who are understading and
>knowledge in Proverbs 3:19-20? It si obvious that wisdom is
>being personified here and as I stated before you do not
>personify people. Futhermore wisdom is also a she Proverbs
>9:1 not a he.

Reply: Wisdom is the one identified as understanding in Prov 8:14. Knowledge is never personified, so it is not an issue. Yes, you do not peronify people, but people personify things, and Jesus is the personifier of wisdom.

Regarding Wisdom being a she, that is only because CHOKMAH is feminine in Hebrew. Is Solomon a she because he is called congregator, which is feminine in Hebrew? Or how about Naphtali who in Genesis 49:21 is called a female deer who produces fawns!? Rather, we know the one spoken of in Proverbs 8, though grammatically is feminine, has a natural masculine gender. We know this because in verse 30, the masculine AMON is used instead of the feminine AMONAH, where Wisdom is called either little child or master worker, depending on the translation (either are possible).

You write: Response: Calling Christ the wisdom of God is fine, however, the context of Matt,Luke and Cor is different than that of Proverbs, for one in the NT usage, Christ being called wisdom means that he is the wisdom to salvation. In Proverbs however, Wisdom is being used as wisdom to living a godly life, as noted above you have ignored the intended context in which proverbs must be read.

Reply: Let us see if that holds true.

The Word was in the beginning (John 1:1)
Wisdom was in the beginning (Prov. 8:22-23, Sir. 1:4, Wis. 9:9)
The Word was with God (John 1:1)
Wisdom was with God (Prov. 8:30, Sir. 1:1, Wis. 9:4)
The Word is an agent in creation (John 1:1-3)
Wisdom is an agent in creation (Prov. 3:19, 8:25; Is. 7:21, 9:1-2)
The Word provides light (John 1:4, 9)
Wisdom provides light (Prov. 8:22, Wis. 7:26, 8:13; Sir. 4:12)
Word as light in contrast to darkness (John 1:5)
Wisdom as light in contrast to darkness (Wis. 7:29-30)
The Word was in the world (John 1:10)
Wisdom was in the world (Wis. 8:1, Sir. 24:6)
The Word was rejected by its own (John 1:11)
Wisdom was rejected by its own (Sir. 15:7)
The Word was received by the faithful (John 1:12)
Wisdom was received by the faithful (Wis. 7:27)
Christ is the bread of life (John 6:35)
Wisdom is the bread or substance of life (Prov. 9:5, Sir. 15:3, 24:21, 29:21; Wis. 11:4)
Christ is the light of the world (John 8:12)
Wisdom is light (Wis. 7:26-30, 18:3-4)
Christ is the door of the sheep and the good shepherd (John 10:7, 11, 14)
Wisdom is the door and the good shepherd (Prov. 8:34-5, Wis. 7:25-7, 8:2-16; Sir. 24:19-22)
Christ is life (John 11:25)
Wisdom brings life (Prov. 3:16, 8:35, 9:11; Wis. 8:13)
Christ is the way to truth (John 14:6)
Wisdom is the way (Prov. 3:17, 8:32-34; Sir. 6:26)

The parallels between Jesus and Wisdom cannot be missed.

Regards,
Tony