730, RE: answer to John 20:17. Posted by osoclasi, Mon May-24-04 11:42 AM
> >its not swearing. the name shal not be taken 'in vain.' if >one is amazed by the works or words of God or a Prophet, esp >if it is something beyond belief, it is common in semetic >history and culture to excalim "My God!" to both signify >belief in God or a Prophet, and to show belief in the work.
Response: You are making stuff up here, it is not common amonst Jews to say *My God* and it be ok. Remember these are the same Jews who don't even pronounce the name of YHWH and replace it with Hashem. So *My God* is taking the name of the Lord in vein. > >DOES it matter how he prays? why would 'God' need to pray? >prayer AND communication involve TWO.
Response; Right two persons were communicating, the Father to the Son. And Jesus does not need prayer, but communication with the Father was a must since he was to be obediant to the Father on earth as a human and became submissive to his will. (Phil 2:7) Notice it says that Christ was in the existance of God and humbled himself, not the Father, but he humbled himself. >My will and Your will. sounds like a seperation to me.
Response; My will and not your will would be seperation. > >Sounds like a Prophet and human servant of God looking and >asking God for help and guidance...
Response: Since I believe that Jesus was also fully human and a prophet, I have no problem with him asking the Father for guidance while on earth.
>i dont get these mental gymnastics. it is easier to multiply >Godhood, than to understand who glory is ascribed to? The >glory of God is not the same as the Glory of god's >Creations, and of God miracles and wonders, and of God's >prophets.
Response; Well I agree the glory of GOd is different than the creation, the only problem is the Son recieves the same glory as the Father here...
Revelation 5:13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."
>MY glory. the Glory that is DUE to God. it doesnt mean that >NO ONE ELSE SHALL HAVE GLORY. but you dont ascribe the glory >of being Creator, or pray to someone else.
Response: Well I agree except here Jesus recieves the same as the Father.
Revelation 5:13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever." > >uh, why dont you share the implication. it seems Jesus is >stopping them from ascribing Godhood (or equity) to him.
Response: Where do you see Jesus even talking about his own deity or his own nature in that passage.
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