>because we know the universe had to be created. because it
>is changing. it has a start

so because something changes, it has a beginning? This applies to your creator then also (see below)

>and is progressing
>as i profess it to you, the creator is unchanging.

how can you say the creator is unchanging when it itself had to change (from the "I'm not gonna make a universe" state to "I will make a universe")? If the "creator" was unchanging, nothing would ever be "created" in the first place...

>and
>therefore could have always existed, while the universe
>could not have.

ok.

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