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Posted by osoclasi, Fri Nov-15-02 06:38 PM
>Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the
>week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were
>assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the
>midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.... But
>Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them
>when Jesus came.
>"Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a
>mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw
>him, they worshipped him."
>1 Cor.15:5
>"And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve."

Response: One of the 12 is just another name to refer to the original apostles. Even though Judas had died. The 11 apostles are also used in Luke 24:9,33 Acts 1:26. This is used when it gets more specific, one of the 12 is just a generic way of saying apostles thats all.

My Turn: Here is a general question.

Why Allah telling Satan to bow down before Adam (7:12-18) when in Islam such a worshipful gesture is due only to God?

>Acts 2:22
>"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a
>man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and
>signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye
>yourselves also know."
>oh yeah!!!!??
>"And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth
>this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you,
>There shall no sign be given unto this generation."

Response: Again, this is different context inwhich Peter was speaking. Peter is tellng the jews in Acts 2 that all of those signs and wonders Jesus did were to prove his ministry. In other words they proved that he was the messiah and by his miracles the jews should have been able to see that. In Mk, what does Jesus mean when he says 'this generation'. He meant the generation of unbelievers who wanted him to perform signs and wonders knowing full well who he was. So Jesus knowing their hearts refused to do a sign for them (unbelievers) and walked away.

My Turn

Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?

Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116

The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

>"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is
>deceived thereby is not wise."
>aye aye captain!!
>1 Tim.5:23
>"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy
>stomach's sake."
>"Wine that maketh glad the heart of man."

Response: First of all you are not interpreting proverbs in light of its genre. Proverbs 'meshallim' are figures of speech, parables, or special contrived sayings. Proverbs give good advice for wise approaches to certain aspects of life, but are not exhaustive in their coverage. In other words proverbs are good advice to live a Godly life style. Is it true that when a person drinks to much they look like idiots? Yes. And isn't it also true that when people celebrate something they use wine for the occasion? Yes. And can't wine also be used to treat aligments? Yes. All of these points to truths.


Speaking of wine

Is wine consumption good or bad?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).

(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).

Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

i got alot more where that came from.....lets play, shall
>we? :)

Response: Whenever you are ready. You might want to start another post however.