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6475, RE: Alright, now tell me...
Posted by THE TROLL UNDER THE BRIDGE, Thu Nov-14-02 12:10 PM
>>....when was that Surah revealed?
>Response: I believe 7 years after the previous sura. It is
>dealing with life under the new ummat.


> What was the situation
>>between Prophet Muhammad and the Meccans at that point in
>Response: Same as it always was, not very good. They were
>having a hard time keeping treaties.

prove it...they never broke a treaty.....which one? at tabari would disagree and he has the longes volumes on islamic history.....but then again you were there....

> If you don't know, then really you are in no
>>position to interepret the Qur'an. If you didn't know, the
>>Qur'an is not one big collection of thoughts and sayings
>>compiled as a do's and don't manual for Muslims. Some parts
>>of the Qur'an were revealed because of a certain issue that
>>was of concern at the time. I really don't expect
>>non-muslims to understand the Qur'an when they can't even
>>understand their own holy books,
>Response: That's odd I don't see any verse that limits
>muslims from not doing this today. I don't see any verse
>that restricts this to a specific time period or anything.
>And according to orthodox islam the Qur'anic commands are
>universal and thus applicable for all times and places.

and so it is...but like vanilla ice cream with alot of topping choices...you dont have to choose them all...and actually, you would be strange if you ordered vanilla ice cream with rootbeer, and chocolate sprinkles, with hot sauce, and hog gravy.

> but I just want to say that
>>every english translation you see of the Qur'an isn't going
>>to explain the essence of Islam for you or to you. It goes
>>so much deeper than that.
>Response: Yep, same muslim arguement. I know I know, the
>real Qu'ran is in arabic. Yeah sure.

quran means to recite or recitation....tell me oh monkey boy, how could it be recited in english if the languages arent related? in fact since you have an islam bias..ask someone who speaks hebrew how well it translates into english and you will hear that about 40 percent of the meaning is lost. (i used to live in crown heights....)

>>Really, the English tranliteration is just that. It isn't
>>even the Qur'an in the literal sense. The only Qur'an that
>>is the Qur'an is that of the Arabic tongue. The Qur'an has
>>some words that there aren't any english equivilant, so when
>>you try to interpret the Qur'an and the religion of Islam
>>based on you already fallible translation or
>>tranliteration, you fail, therefore its not even worth
>>trying to fight or discredit Islam or the Qur'an because
>>your info is faulty. Ask a Muslim. Ask an Imam. Beware of
>>your own judgement and intelligence or that of the media,
>>because in the end you will be wrong.
>Response: Yep,same ole muslim arugement. By the way feel
>free to translate it correctly for me.

same old kafr arguement.....instead of reaching past his own nafs...he revels in them like swine in mud....

> Well how bout this
>" Allah's apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with
>the people till they say.'None has the right to be
>worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says,'None has the right
>to be worshipped but Allah,'his life and property will be
>saved by me." Al-Bukhari, vol 4.

after badr....that was the call, take it out of context but bush said n. corea is part of the axis of evil....guess that means coreans are related to satan....

meanwhile that hadith deals with the fact that the emuslims were under attack...and because of that the property and blood of your enemy is halal for you....you know..like eibn ladens blood is halal for your tax dollars:)...and innocent children in iraq are being helped everyday with bombs from your tax dollars:)...meanwhile your bigggest issue is the fact that during war people arent allowed to say "the enemy will pay"...the example is the sunnah which shows how he did it....ill give you an example...how many people died when the muslims conquered mecca?.......................ill give you a hint........its less than 1.

how many muslims killed any jews after they were betrayed by their neighbors in the battle of uhud (they broke the treaty)....ill help you....you seem a little slow..none

you take things out of context if you wish.......but the whole internet is watching you become a larger fool post by post...even the worst of the islam haters on this board have some understanding of islam...you are completely defunct of any knowledge...in fact anything you find seems to be from some rabid-xtian-white-racist-group-anti-islam-site. for you i wish you the best in your hope to use your cold dame prmote corner of the internet to debunk 1400 (and then some)years of history......you fail to recognize the power of amana:)

and thats what makes you a fool...a body w/o need of a ruh...no nur......twisted aql....may allah have mercy on you:)